Naruto vs. Sasuke (OFFICIAL THREAD)

[Rultzbud]

fuck u man that's just like sayin yur acting like a nigger throwing feces at people

No it's really not.. Did he say that? No.. Did he even mean it in that context? No. So shut up. Seriously, don't you have anything BETTER to do with your life than try to argue about something that you know you've already lost?

[itachi0110]

I'm going to address a few important things and then I'm dropping the issue.
First of all I never called you a monkey, secondly money does not refer to the color of a person's skin. If you believe it does that is your racism issue and not mine.
Here is what I said in regards to monkeys


Did I call you a monkey? nope.

Next its fairly well known that I'm a bit of a dick but I'm also extremely civil to people who can communicate and can contribute or share opinions that are constructive or that indicate they are subjective. You have not demonstrated this and thusly you have no respect from me and you get a similar response Majin first got from me.
Now my offer still stands if you can provide concrete evidence from onemagna.com that Sauske is at a Sannin level then I will apologize sincerely to you for being rude and you will instantly gain my respect, however after your extremely stupid racism outburst if you fail to do this your word will forever mean absolutely nothing to me and I will do my best to passively shun you from any decent thread you post in to preserve a possibly good thread that you may taint just by posting in.
Thats my final post in this regard and I'll even wait 24 hours to see if you can provide the proof I require.


it's used as racism to black people and yes u did, and u will kno my prof in 15 days

[Naruto&Jiriaya]

no offense but just how all the white people here are banning together i plan to ban with my friend.

[itachi0110]

i kno right

[Rultzbud]

Thats great.. You guys are #1 grade-A idiots.. Sheesh.. I'm done with morons in this world..

Back onto the topic: Sasuke's strong, but not stronger than a Sannin, in my belief, he'd be able to beat 4TK Naruto because he (naruto) isn't in control and is under the strain of the Kyuubi's chakra.

[D.I.Y Death]

Thats great.. You guys are #1 grade-A idiots.. Sheesh.. I'm done with morons in this world..

Back onto the topic: Sasuke's strong, but not stronger than a Sannin, in my belief, he'd be able to beat 4TK Naruto because he (naruto) isn't in control and is under the strain of the Kyuubi's chakra.

I'm thinking it would be closer to a tie. Sauske can do a lot of damage that may even hurt Naruto (kirin just might do it) but if Naruto lands just one hit on Sauske this fight is a s good as over considering his chakra acts as a poison, burns physical attacks to ash (snake arms would get Sauske killed) and getting too close would be absolute suicide considering how Naruto's chakra moves to counter.

[Rultzbud]

I'm thinking it would be closer to a tie. Sauske can do a lot of damage that may even hurt Naruto (kirin just might do it) but if Naruto lands just one hit on Sauske this fight is a s good as over considering his chakra acts as a poison, burns physical attacks to ash (snake arms would get Sauske killed) and getting too close would be absolute suicide considering how Naruto's chakra moves to counter.

1 word, Chidori Current, erhm... well 2.. Anyhow! If Sasuke were to use that it would damage and hopefully slow Naruto down enough to where Sasuke's CS2 Speed and what not would be capable of dodging most of the attacks. The Chakra Beam/Blast thing that Naruto does, it takes too long, and Sasuke would avoid it. Possibly countering with Kirin. I still say Sasuke.

[D.I.Y Death]

1 word, Chidori Current, erhm... well 2.. Anyhow! If Sasuke were to use that it would damage and hopefully slow Naruto down enough to where Sasuke's CS2 Speed and what not would be capable of dodging most of the attacks. The Chakra Beam/Blast thing that Naruto does, it takes too long, and Sasuke would avoid it. Possibly countering with Kirin. I still say Sasuke.

The chakra cannon thing probably would never hit, I agree with that. ANd chidori wave didn't seem to be very damaging when Sauske used it against Naruto and everyone else, it just seemed to knock them back and stun them a bit.
So chances are it won't do enough considering how close Sauske has to be to use it. At that range Naruto can take a swipe at Sauske and possibly do some major damage.
For Sauske to have a good chance at this fight he has to fight long range with chakra based attacks, rather than anything physical that connects with his body.
P.S. hehehe someone just tried to give me bad rep for "being racist" but because their rep is so low and mine is semi high it doesn't even effect my score.

[Rultzbud]

The chakra cannon thing probably would never hit, I agree with that. ANd chidori wave didn't seem to be very damaging when Sauske used it against Naruto and everyone else, it just seemed to knock them back and stun them a bit.
So chances are it won't do enough considering how close Sauske has to be to use it. At that range Naruto can take a swipe at Sauske and possibly do some major damage.
For Sauske to have a good chance at this fight he has to fight long range with chakra based attacks, rather than anything physical that connects with his body.

Or he could simply use Dragon Flame Bombs.. (He knows all of Orochimaru's Jutsu's, I'm sure he knows this one as well..)

I doubt Naruto would be able to swipe. I mean Sasuke's body flicker is quite fast. He'd be able to combine that with the Chidori, it could prove to be a disaster against Naruto..

Only if he knew how to control the Amaterasu, then would he flawlessly win.

[D.I.Y Death]

Or he could simply use Dragon Flame Bombs.. (He knows all of Orochimaru's Jutsu's, I'm sure he knows this one as well..)

I doubt Naruto would be able to swipe. I mean Sasuke's body flicker is quite fast. He'd be able to combine that with the Chidori, it could prove to be a disaster against Naruto..

Only if he knew how to control the Amaterasu, then would he flawlessly win.

That would probably end Naruto. I guess this is completely circumstantial.
Sauske, if he knows what he is in for before the fight has a good chance, but if he goes into the fight without knowing he could end up dead in a heartbeat.
I'm still sticking with a tie, or it could swing either way very very easily.

[Tsugaga]

Oro wanted Sasukes body so Oro tried to teach Sasuke all the jutsu he knew including forbidden techs. Sasuke can do almost all of the jutsus that Oro can do plus Sasuke has his curse mark, he has his Sharingan, and all of his fireball techs. Plus Sasuke can do Kirin, Nagashi, Chidori weapons, and Chidori. Sasuke would win. And Sasuke has already killed Oro but yeah he was not 100% but Sasuke killed him without breakin a sweat. If Oro was 100% then Sasuke would just go Curse mark 2 and use his strong jutsus and kill Oro.

[D.I.Y Death]

Oro wanted Sasukes body so Oro tried to teach Sasuke all the jutsu he knew including forbidden techs. Sasuke can do almost all of the jutsus that Oro can do plus Sasuke has his curse mark, he has his Sharingan, and all of his fireball techs. Plus Sasuke can do Kirin, Nagashi, Chidori weapons, and Chidori. Sasuke would win. And Sasuke has already killed Oro but yeah he was not 100% but Sasuke killed him without breakin a sweat. If Oro was 100% then Sasuke would just go Curse mark 2 and use his strong jutsus and kill Oro.

I'm not sure it would be that simple, Oro was a Sannin for a reason, while Sauske was not.
Sauske definitely wasn't a push over but if Sauske was that strong he wouldn't be wasting his tme with Oro and would have left to kill Itachi.
That also brings me back to the essential point, Sauske said if it wasn't for Oro being weakened he would not have won. By his own admittance he is not as strong as Oro and because of that we can say Sauske is not at a Sanin level.
Now on the other hand from what Naruto displayed if 4 Tails mode, his destructive powers are unmatched and Deidara's c4 and ultimate art are rivaled by just swinging an arm. If it wasn't for Oro's ultimate defense and his ability to shed his body he would have died a few times over. This display of power and the fact that Oro said that the situation was getting dangerous implicitly implies that Naruto in a 4 tail state is as powerful as a Sannin (he almost killed Jir as well, who happens to be the strongest of the 3 Sannin which is further proof) Not to say that Sauske can't win, but one single mistake and Sauske will die.

[itachi0110]

ok and 4t mode can only be out for a lil while that's more than enough time for sasuke to evade and dodge naruto which he can do seein how he is faster

[D.I.Y Death]

ok and 4t mode can only be out for a lil while that's more than enough time for sasuke to evade and dodge naruto which he can do seein how he is faster

Thank you for posting normally :)

Yes 4 tails does damage Naruto and will kill him if enough time passes, but doesn't CS make Sauske lose control of his body over time as well? If he spends too much time in CS2 he will essentially lose any control over his body.
CS2 Sauske is much faster than 4T Naruto, but not nearly as powerful. IF he can avoid being hit, which he may not be able to do he has a chance at winning, but to avoid every attack 4T Naruto sends out is a feat on its own. With this in mind next we have to ask, can Sauske in CS2 penetrate the Kyuubi cloak? Sauske cannot extent his chidori to his sword and then throw it, otherwise the chidori will simply stop and if he gets too close he will be extremely vulnerable. Kirin is his best bet, but if that does not kill Naruto Sauske is finished because he can only do that once in a day, especially if he has to summon a storm to do Kirin.

[Tsugaga]

No one know how long Naruto 4t, and Sasuke killed Oro cause he didn't want Oro to try and take over his body later. And Sasuke can't get near Naruto cause he would be attacked by the chakra.

[D.I.Y Death]

No one know how long Naruto 4t, and Sasuke killed Oro cause he didn't want Oro to try and take over his body later. And Sasuke can't get near Naruto cause he would be attacked by the chakra.

But for this battle we have to go back in time a little bit to where Oro is still alive, otherwise Sauske would have MS and couldn't go CS2.

[hyuga_fan]

wasnt it already agreed that the kyuubi isnt a factor because sasuke can supress kyuubi...

so sasuke would win by default

unless sasuke land fuuton rasen shuriken(i think thats wat its called)

[Smiley]

He does not.
Sasuke isn't stronger than Jiraiya, who was nearly killed by 4-tailed Naruto.

wasnt it already agreed that the kyuubi isnt a factor because sasuke can supress kyuubi...


He can't suppress it when tails are already released.

[hyuga_fan]

Can you prove that in a Court of Law?

[mangekyou913]

u guys should be friends and not argue.
in my opinion it would be a tie. but if u think about it, naruto so easily fell into itachi's mangekyou sharingan attack. and the only way to get out is to have chakra released into ur body from another person. so if sasuke uses mangekyou, naruto would fall into his trap and would not be able to get out because nobody else will release chakra into his body because nobody is there. also naruto used his rasengan in mid air against itachi. so if he uses rasenshuriken in mid air while under the mangekyou sharingan he would lose his power.

[hyuga_fan]

u guys should be friends and not argue.

This is a debating site. Get used to it. People argue ALL THE TIME.


in my opinion it would be a tie. but if u think about it, naruto so easily fell into itachi's mangekyou sharingan attack. and the only way to get out is to have chakra released into ur body from another person.

What Itachi used wasn't mangekyo it was just basic genjutsu.
You can also get out of genjutsu by turning your chakra in a different direction then it is flowing at the time of the genjutsu.


so if sasuke uses mangekyou, naruto would fall into his trap and would not be able to get out because nobody else will release chakra into his body because nobody is there.

But if Naruto is killed the Kyuubi will be released and Sasuke will have to deal with it's wrath.



also naruto used his rasengan in mid air against itachi. so if he uses rasenshuriken in mid air while under the mangekyou sharingan he would lose his power.

I don't quite understand what you are saying.

[WhiteFang]

Acc. to the conditions of the original poster, this is 4 tails Vs CS2 Sasuke.

And 4-tails would actually destroy Sasuke. 4-tails nearly killed Jiraiya. Almost killed Orochimaru. Oro just escaped coz Yamato supressed the chakra. That's 2 sannins pwned.

The expanse of destruction and that chakra was horrible. It burnt away a huge sea of snakes with one swipe. The sword of Kusanagi could not pierce 4-tails. And how do you suppose Sasuke will dodge that huge cannon ball. He cannot summon the triple Rashoumon like Oro, and the sheer radius of destruction of that tech. is HUGE. And let's not forget that how he manipulated his arms through the ground. 4 tails can destroy many people... it could even take out a few bodies of Pein.

And Elgin, if Naruto dies.. the Kyuubi will also die. Not get released. Otherwise why in the world does it lend Naruto it's chakra. He should have just let him die at VOTE, when Sasuke had punctured his lung and gotten released.

[hyuga_fan]

If that is true then why did the kyuubi say that if Sasuke killed Naruto he would regret it?
If Naruto dies the seal holding him inside his body will be released.

[WhiteFang]

^^ I don't know. Kyuubi probably said it as a move to prevent Sasuke form killing Naruto since his chakra was suppressed and Naruto had no intention of using it either. Hence, Kyuubi said it to save its own skin. I'll try and find you a link where this is said in the manga.
Although, until and unless Kyuubi's existence is tied to Naruto... why does it help him? We all know that the demon-fox is evil. It would rather just love to let him die and wait to get released.

[hyuga_fan]

Exactly

[itachi0110]

Thank you for posting normally :)

Yes 4 tails does damage Naruto and will kill him if enough time passes, but doesn't CS make Sauske lose control of his body over time as well? If he spends too much time in CS2 he will essentially lose any control over his body.
CS2 Sauske is much faster than 4T Naruto, but not nearly as powerful. IF he can avoid being hit, which he may not be able to do he has a chance at winning, but to avoid every attack 4T Naruto sends out is a feat on its own. With this in mind next we have to ask, can Sauske in CS2 penetrate the Kyuubi cloak? Sauske cannot extent his chidori to his sword and then throw it, otherwise the chidori will simply stop and if he gets too close he will be extremely vulnerable. Kirin is his best bet, but if that does not kill Naruto Sauske is finished because he can only do that once in a day, especially if he has to summon a storm to do Kirin.


yur welcome :)
and sorry for the rude remarks i gave u, well back on topic, yes cs2 will take over sasukes body after a while but we seen how long he keep it out, and it was longer than 4t was out, so all he has to do is avoid naruto and the match is over

[Smiley]

Naruto's four tails were released until Yamato used the wood techniue.
So we don't know how long he can do in that form.

[itachi0110]

um yes we do, naruto almost died after the battle with oro

[Smiley]

..
If Yamato didn't use the wood, he would have remained with tails released and you don't know for how long he would have kept them.

[itachi0110]

ok but naruto was almost dead, how much longer u think he could of kept on goin a couple of mins

[Peinsagod]

ok dude sauske could barley beat him with only one tail what makes you think he would stand a chance against 4 first ppl say naruto couldnt move fast when he has 4t but if the kyuubi really wanted to he could move really fast plus the kyuubi could easily use a lot of chakra to create a beam too big for sauske to get away from or just relentless attack i know a lot of ppl think he cant stay 4t for a long time but we havent actually seen how long he could each time he was 4t he was somehow stopped so we really dont know if sauske could stay cs2 for longer because remeber that he would die if he stayed cs2 for too long also so that shouldn't even be a factor in this match

[D.I.Y Death]

ya obviously Naruto would when this he has rasenshuriken possibly the strongest jutsu in the world. even though he can only use it like once or twice i think he would use it smartly and kill sasuke at the right moment with it

If it could wreak havoc on Konan it definitely can mangle a normal body in one shot, so I completely agree. But Naruto's arm gets mangled pretty badly after using it twice also, so he better land those or he's out for the count.

[DracoPhoenix]

i think csLV2 sasuke would win

[Tsugaga]

i think csLV2 sasuke would win

Seriously, every thread I go to u say just who u think would win. Give some info.

Naruto would win. Sasuke was barely able to defeat Naruto one tail. And will everybody stop saying that we know how long Naruto can stay 4t. we don't know. Yamato took control of the Kyuubi's chakra and nobody can say that Naruto almost died cause there is no proof of that. Sasuke can't hurt Naruto, and Naruto almost killed Oro. Also nobody can say that Naruto can't move in a 4t state cause from what I have seen Naruto didn't even try or have to move.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Naruto becasue the four tails is extremely powerful. Cs2 only gives a little more chakra and speed.

[Tsugaga]

Yeah. Sasuke is good but he can't beat 4t. 4t almost killed Oro and 4t almost killed Jiraiya.

[AngelRenegade999]

Tell me what you think.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Naruto

[Doctor Octogonapus]

This is the official thread now, all 14 of the Naruto vs. Sasuke threads are in here. So try not to create anymore.

[D.I.Y Death]

This thread needs to be brought up again in light of Sauske having Amaretsu and Naruto going through sage training.
Whats your opinions? I think as of right now Sage mode won't be enough because of Amaretsu...although if Naruto uses shadow clones that effectively takes away Amaretu's advantage as Sauske doesn't have enough chakra to use it constantly.

[Deadlocked]

...although if Naruto uses shadow clones that effectively takes away Amaretu's advantage as Sauske doesn't have enough chakra to use it constantly.
We all know he'll automatically charge screaming that jutsu, so no need to say maybe.

I forgot what the new Sharingan is called, but if Sasuke used it on one clone, it'd effect all the others, right? The whole what-one-clone-experiences-the-real-Naruto-feels?

[D.I.Y Death]

We all know he'll automatically charge screaming that jutsu, so no need to say maybe.

I forgot what the new Sharingan is called, but if Sasuke used it on one clone, it'd effect all the others, right? The whole what-one-clone-experiences-the-real-Naruto-feels?
No, once the clone is killed its experience is transferred back. Any genjutsu on a clone wouldn't do anything but put a clone into genjutsu. Proof is how Naruto now trains, he doesn't learn until he gets rid of the shadow clones.

In light of new facts Naruto is now a sage and is learning Jir's techniques(possibly learning). Not only that but Naruto is better at doing sage mode, he doesn't look like a frog when hes in it and doesn't need the help of the elder frogs. In other words Sauske might be boned. (proof from chapter 415)

[itachi0110]

In light of new facts Naruto is now a sage and is learning Jir's techniques(possibly learning). Not only that but Naruto is better at doing sage mode, he doesn't look like a frog when hes in it and doesn't need the help of the elder frogs. In other words Sauske might be boned. (proof from chapter 415)
i agree but we can't go on what we think naruto can do we need proof.

Seriously, every thread I go to u say just who u think would win. Give some info.

Naruto would win. Sasuke was barely able to defeat Naruto one tail. And will everybody stop saying that we know how long Naruto can stay 4t. we don't know. Yamato took control of the Kyuubi's chakra and nobody can say that Naruto almost died cause there is no proof of that. Sasuke can't hurt Naruto, and Naruto almost killed Oro. Also nobody can say that Naruto can't move in a 4t state cause from what I have seen Naruto didn't even try or have to move.

we do kno how long naruto can stay in that form, and we do have proof that he almost died if u were in a state where yur scin was getting burned off wut would u think, naruto could barely move, and when sasuke fought the one tail that was many years ago, not to mention sasuke didn't have all the powers he does now.

[vane]

^^ You know theres no double posting. So I just basically merged your first post with your second post since they were back to back.

I guess I will go into further detail.

You double posted, so I deleted the one because it was short anyways. Then I just added it to your next post to make it one post so that you didnt double post.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

^^ awesome modding !

an effortLess: fusion no jutsu !. testament to your ModLy powers !

but then to foLLow it up by: Unrequired expLanation no jutsu !!!

what a combo ! gobsmacked me in the face and Left me speechLess for 1/1000 of a second !



naruto wiLL win

[Kyoto]

Sasuke why easy because once you fully take in what sharrigun can do you understand why any1 with it is unbeatable.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

Sasuke why easy because once you fully take in what sharrigun can do you understand why any1 with it is unbeatable.

did he just say UNBEATABLE ??? ANY1 ???

100% correct IF you ignore-

*obito

*sasuke

*itachi

*madara

*shisui

*basicaLLy every sharingan user ! which in turn makes your statement incorrect

[Butter]

welll techinicly sasuke right at this moment.But naruto is gonna bet him someday

[itachi0110]

Sasuke why easy because once you fully take in what sharrigun can do you understand why any1 with it is unbeatable.

this is a false accusation

[CaptFlowers]

clear and simply, back then at the vally of the end if naruto didnt purposely miss the kyuubi charged rasengan, sasuke would have been ended.

after time skip sasuke could easily beat naruto with ease because he can supress kyuubi this time with sharingan.

now with mangekyou sasuke and hermit mode naruto, naruto can easily overpower sasuke

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Idk where my post went but w/e.

Minus both their crutches, they are equals now.
They've both moved past what used to hold them back, they are equals. They're training is done. They HAVE to be equals.

However the valley of the end is a different story.
Sasuke was clearly stronger than Naruto then.
When judging strength you have to cancel out the things that make them equal.
You take away CS/Kyuubi and Rasengan/Chidori, and Naruto doesn't hold a candle to Sasuke.
Now this is of course subtracting what they have at the END of the fight.
If we're going by the beginning then the result would be relatively the same as their first fight.

[CaptFlowers]

that may be true but on the other hand, why would u have a power that you would not want to use that you will need to survive? thats like commiting suicide, might as well drown urself now.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

that may be true but on the other hand, why would u have a power that you would not want to use that you will need to survive? thats like commiting suicide, might as well drown urself now.

On the contrary, that's exactly what they're doing by using that power.
Both the Curse Seal and Kyuubi would've led to their downfall had they continued to extensively use it.

If you're referring to my way of determining their power, I simply took away everything we know that cancels out, such as abilities and special techniques, and compared their basic skills as well as ability in the fight(which isn't necessary but helps your case more if you include this).

[D.I.Y Death]

Naruto now has one thing that Sauske can't hold a candle to: Sage Mode. I think Sauske way officially be screwed at the moment in a fight with Naruto.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Naruto now has one thing that Sauske can't hold a candle to: Sage Mode. I think Sauske way officially be screwed at the moment in a fight with Naruto.

Sasuke is definitely done improving, so they must be equals.
Kishimoto has proven that Naruto and Sasuke are the typical rivals/1st and 3rd character in an anime.
One gets substantially stronger than the other but in the end they are equals.

[Soul]

Sasuke is definitely done improving, so they must be equals.
Kishimoto has proven that Naruto and Sasuke are the typical rivals/1st and 3rd character in an anime.
One gets substantially stronger than the other but in the end they are equals.

They'll be equal as soon as naruto completely finishes sage training.

Naruto only has completed half of it.

If he defeats pein, i'll reconsider it.

But yea, in the end they're equal.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

If he defeats pein, i'll reconsider it.

if naruto beats pein, you wiLL consider whether sasuke and he are equaLs ?

if naruto beats pein, he wiLL be the most bad a** ninja in the narutoverse !

[Doctor Octogonapus]

That's another strong reason why he won't be Pein.
It's not they can't be equals because he has to beat Pein.
It's he can't beat Pein because they have to be equals.
Kishimoto has made Naruto comparable to DBZ.
Goku and Naruto are similar, so are Vegeta and Sasuke.
Naruto and Sasuke, is Naruto's Goku and Vegeta.
They will be equals in the end.

[D.I.Y Death]

That's another strong reason why he won't be Pein.
It's not they can't be equals because he has to beat Pein.
It's he can't beat Pein because they have to be equals.
Kishimoto has made Naruto comparable to DBZ.
Goku and Naruto are similar, so are Vegeta and Sasuke.
Naruto and Sasuke, is Naruto's Goku and Vegeta.
They will be equals in the end.

In terms of general skill I'd say they are equals but in terms of a fight I think Naruto has the edge due to his kage bushins and massive chakra reserve to spawn off enough to annoy the hell out of Sauske. Yes Sauske has ways to deal with the clones but the sheer numbers of them would hinder Sauske since most of his techniques are single target techniques. Also Naruto will outlast Sauske in terms of chakra.

[Muffin]

That's another strong reason why he won't be Pein.
It's not they can't be equals because he has to beat Pein.
It's he can't beat Pein because they have to be equals.
Kishimoto has made Naruto comparable to DBZ.
Goku and Naruto are similar, so are Vegeta and Sasuke.
Naruto and Sasuke, is Naruto's Goku and Vegeta.
They will be equals in the end.

Actually Kishi said that Naruto and Sasuke's relationship was based off Goku and Krillin. Sasuke being Goku Krillin being Naruto.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Actually Kishi said that Naruto and Sasuke's relationship was based off Goku and Krillin. Sasuke being Goku Krillin being Naruto.


I honestly can't see either of them as the people he says they are.
Goku/Naruto and Vegeta/Sasuke is much much closer to how the story and characters actually are.

[D.I.Y Death]

I honestly can't see either of them as the people he says they are.
Goku/Naruto and Vegeta/Sasuke is much much closer to how the story and characters actually are.

I think thats an insult to Naruto and Sauske. They have more character depth to them than Goku/vegeta/krillin.

[Muffin]

I honestly can't see either of them as the people he says they are.
Goku/Naruto and Vegeta/Sasuke is much much closer to how the story and characters actually are.


Well it was based of Dragonball. Not Dragonball z

Goku = having more natural talent and having everything easy for him to learn.

Krillin = Having to claw and scrape to just catch up to Goku.

This is the awesome krillin from Dragonball not the punching bag Krillin from DBZ don't get them confused of course it's likely that Kishi's idea's have changed cause the interview i read was from a while ago.

[hyuga_fan]

Krillin USED to be my favorite character untill that little alien stepped on his head thus killing him. Krillin is so weak!

[Gin Ichimaru]

I would say it depends... If it's like the final battle, Naruto would win, and I'm not saying this basing on arguments, I'm basing my answer on Naruto's total ending. Sasuke winning and Naruto dead? No way. To gaylish.

[naruwiskers^_^]

i think, they would either destroy eachother and wreak havoc on the whole of the ninja world in the process, or naruto would only just win, seeing his whole aim is to be hokage.

[xx DoNt Sh0oT]

well i think if were talking 5-10 years sasuke loses cuz his eyes are going to go bad if we are talking very soon like 5-10 chapters with no time split sasuke beat the living crap out of him.....

[D.I.Y Death]

I can't comment until I see Naruto fight in sage mode. I have a suspicion that Naruto is pretty much a god in terms of raw power though.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

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[OmegaGame22]

naruto. 1. naruto is really a good close up fighter and if he hits saskue with a rasengan hes finished or any of his rasengans for that matter. 2. naruto has had some expierence with uchias ( i.e itachi, and saskue) so he'll know what to do against saskue.3 saskues techniques require alot of energy and if he uses them he runs out of chakra which leads me to 4. naruto has more stamina than saskue wich means he will out last saskue. 5 he can summon. and now he has sage mode. and youve seen what he can do with just one punch. naruto has advanced shadow clones which now rack up expierence for naruto so when he fights saskue hell have a strategy. thats why naruto will win.

[caleb08]

I can't comment until I see Naruto fight in sage mode. I have a suspicion that Naruto is pretty much a god in terms of raw power though.

Ya and thats why people have been sayin that Naruto is to overpowered.

[D.I.Y Death]

Yeah Sasuke is screwed. Naruto can toss summons like they are twigs. Has extra range on his attacks. Is able to use that giant rasengan and form rasengans more easily. has access to the frog genjutsu and insane speed. Not to mention crazy fortitude (as demonstrated when he fell of that mountain and said it didn't hurt at all). And we haven't even seen Naruto's new technique "Waves of Rage" yet. The ONLY thing Sasuke has on Naruto is the sharingan...everything else Naruto is about 10x better at at this point in the manga.

[ninetailedfox4432]

i think that sasuke is given too little credit here, cuz he still has the curse mark, he can fly(did his wing heal?), he has the mangekyo, he has snakes, and chidori. naruto is a lot better than the last time they met but he doesn't own sasuke. i think that they are finally even.

[caleb08]

i think that sasuke is given too little credit here, cuz he still has the curse mark, he can fly(did his wing heal?), he has the mangekyo, he has snakes, and chidori. naruto is a lot better than the last time they met but he doesn't own sasuke. i think that they are finally even.

EVEN?
That is totally the opposite.
The snakes would have no effect because Naruto would be to fast for the snakes to grab hold of him.
Chidori has no effect because Naruto's rasengan would overpower it for one.
And for two lightning is weak against wind natured chakra.
The curse mark? Naruto has the Kyuubi (not saying he would use it)!
He really has no advantage while he's in the air than he would on the ground.
And Sasuke knows the price to pay when using the mangekyo and would not use it other than a last resort. Then in order for his amaterasu to work he has to be focusing on Naruto whitch would be hard considering he can make 1000+ clones.
Therefore concluding, Sasuke really has no chance against Naruto at this point in the manga.

[ninetailedfox4432]

if it was really that simple then the show would drop in ratings, the fight would suck, and the main rivalry of naruto would be over. but that's beside the point, sasuke wtill has a shot because naruto isn't fast enough to dodge everything. he would get battered around too. plus sasuke has the advantage over the kyubi. it also looks like sasuke knows more moves than naruto. not a 100% sure on that though, because we haven't seen all his moves. btw, fire beats wind so as long as sasuke has two elements, naruto's at the disadvantage in that area. i'm not saying he would lose, i'm just saying that the battlefield is pretty even at this point.

[caleb08]

Naruto's new speed is more than enough to dodge just about every tech Sasuke has that we have seen.
And if you have read the new chapter than you would see that Naruto's
Nin and Tai has improved eminently.
Far much greater than that of what we have seen of Sasuke's.

[ninetailedfox4432]

you're right and all but i'm just saying, don't underestimate sasuke. we'll just have to see when the time comes.

[caleb08]

That we will!

[xx DoNt Sh0oT]

i think that we will have to wait to say anything right now cuz naruto would completly distroy Sasuke at this point in the manga(i like sasuke more too), but i seriously doubt that Sasuke didnt do some type of training over this time period, he has 2 of the orginal sorces of his power at will to talk and train form in Madara and whatshisface(the orginal curse mark guy) i dont think Sasuke is as weak as we all think. I am going to wait and see what happens before i say anything else.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Theres really no point in debating until sasuke gets a new power (which he will to match naruto's current power). Maybe MS can get naruto but other than that naruto, as DIY said, is alot stronger than sasuke

[D.I.Y Death]

Sasuke's cs was sealed away...unless it was unsealed then I don't get why people are mentioning it...

[xx DoNt Sh0oT]

no it wasnt orc was sealed away from Sasuke in the fight between Sasuke and Itachi, he had CS when he fought the 8 tails, when he got healed by whatshisface....

[Muffin]

no it wasnt orc was sealed away from Sasuke in the fight between Sasuke and Itachi, he had CS when he fought the 8 tails, when he got healed by whatshisface....

He didn't get the curse seal back. He was only healed by Juugo because he like he said he was already compatible with Juugo after having the curse seal.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

LAWERYED !!!

sasuke does not have CS, we've definiteLy seen him without the mark on his neck

[Doctor Octogonapus]

He didn't get the curse seal back. He was only healed by Juugo because he like he said he was already compatible with Juugo after having the curse seal.

Ah...nothing like the smell of a freshly ripped new one...

*trying out new phrase, yay or nah?*

[Munboy Dracule O'Brain]

At this particular moment, Sasuke cannot beat Naruto.

[TheYellowFlash10]

Naruto wins.

He has more power (Taijutsu strength), he is, arguably, immune to Genjutsu; has better summoning and he has showed excellent Ninjutsu

[XuchihaXsasukeX]

Naruto is def not immune to genjutsu..
He might have the capability of being immune but since he does not know how to control his Bjuu like the 8-tails then he will still be capable of falling into genjutsu.

Also in terms of taijutsu,it's hard to say, but i'd say there about even..

And if naruto and sasuke were to fight now then yes naruto would win.. But naruto and sasuke are supposed to be equals so im assuming sasuke is gonna get a power-up soon

[Winter]

Naruto would obvioulsy win against Sasuke cuz Naruto has Sage mode and more justsus comming up and Sasuke doesn't have a big motivation unlike Naruto wich is to bring Sasuke back to the Village

[hyugamaster]

Naruto is a beast!!!
Sasuke is just sitting on his butt like a bump on a log!
Naruto has gained the Sage Mode
Sasuke lost the CS
Naruto=Sage Tech Giant Ball Rasengan
Sasuke=regular chidori
You can obviously see the winner here...
Must I go on???

[itachi0110]

Naruto is a beast!!!
Sasuke is just sitting on his butt like a bump on a log!
Naruto has gained the Sage Mode
Sasuke lost the CS
Naruto=Sage Tech Giant Ball Rasengan
Sasuke=regular chidori
You can obviously see the winner here...
Must I go on???



well u see sasuke doesn't just have chidori, he brought the chidori up a higher level to many jutsus. i think u must go on with your theory.

[Peinsagod]

Now that we have seen naruto going hand to hand with pein and throwing at least 5 fuuton rasenshurikens plus his speed strength and summons there is almost no chance sor sauske

[hyugamaster]

well u see sasuke doesn't just have chidori, he brought the chidori up a higher level to many jutsus. i think u must go on with your theory.

In theory, Sasuke lost several of his higher level jutsu when he lost his ability to use the CS. Naruto has surpassed Sasuke in almost every aspect.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Naruto is a beast!!!
Sasuke is just sitting on his butt like a bump on a log!

I'd like to point out the obvious hypocrisy in just about everyone on this forum.
Anyone remember everyone here bitching about how Sasuke gained "so much power" in "so little time"?
Where's this complaining now?
Naruto gained more power in less time and yet there's nothing wrong with that.

Naruto has gained the Sage Mode
Sasuke lost the CS
Naruto=Sage Tech Giant Ball Rasengan
Sasuke=regular chidori
You can obviously see the winner here...
Must I go on???

When you unevenly compare techniques, your point fails to be made.
Naruto has Giant Rasengan
Sasuke has Kirin
Giant Rasengan may or may not be more powerful than FRS. In terms of destruction I believe FRS wins.

[WhiteFang]

I'd like to point out the obvious hypocrisy in just about everyone on this forum.
Anyone remember everyone here bitching about how Sasuke gained "so much power" in "so little time"?
Where's this complaining now?
Naruto gained more power in less time and yet there's nothing wrong with that.
Sasuke did gain a decent amount of power in little time.
After all, the godly MS came to him after one hard fought battle and then cave talk for 10 minutes.
Why should something be wrong with Naruto gaining power?
The manga is Naruto. It centers around Naruto and his growth and his gain in power and his dreams.
Sasuke has always shown to be able to learn things fast and has also shown to be very talented.
Naruto is after all the Yondaime's son, why can't you accept him being talented and learning things faster than usual for a change?
And its been a while. Naruto's growth was nothing compared to Sasuke's after the timeskip.
He worked his ass of for learning FRS, assisted with Kakashi's ingenious training method. And he still wasn't able to fully complete it or use it uptil now when he learned Sage Mode.
Now, he's taken a while to learn Sage Mode and he's also not fully mastered it yet.
He has to leave spare clones at Myobokuzan, which limits his ability of Tajuu Kage Bunshin to just 3 clones.
Naruto's decently over-powered, but its not as bad as you make it sound.

When you unevenly compare techniques, your point fails to be made.
Naruto has Giant Rasengan
Sasuke has Kirin
True.
Giant Rasengan may or may not be more powerful than FRS. In terms of destruction I believe FRS wins.
Agreed.
We also need to keep in mind that Wind>Lightning, yet Fire>Wind. So it becomes quite tricky.

[Masterofdeath]

can some one fill me in.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Sasuke did gain a decent amount of power in little time.
After all, the godly MS came to him after one hard fought battle and then cave talk for 10 minutes.

Not even close to the amount Naruto gained.
MS couldn't beat Pain like Naruto did.

Why should something be wrong with Naruto gaining power?
The manga is Naruto. It centers around Naruto and his growth and his gain in power and his dreams.

Once again, it isn't the fact that he gained power, it's the way he gained power. It was poorly and lazily written. Kishimoto basically decided to knock out 20 years worth of development in 20 minutes.

Naruto is after all the Yondaime's son, why can't you accept him being talented and learning things faster than usual for a change?

Once again, lazily and poorly written. There's no development. It just happens.
He's basically the bratty kid in the candy store picking out candy that he wants and showing them to the writer. Instead of the writer telling the child he should save up his money and get all the candy himself, he buys the child all the candy at one time.

And its been a while. Naruto's growth was nothing compared to Sasuke's after the timeskip.

That's correct, was nothing.
Now compared to Naruto, Sasuke lost power over the timeskip.
I mean come on. He lost CS which drastically changes the way he fights because he has to be more conservative with his chakra. He no longer has speed as an advantage.

He worked his ass of for learning FRS, assisted with Kakashi's ingenious training method.

Kakashi's Ingenious Traning Method. Aka, the most lazy way to develop a character.

And he still wasn't able to fully complete it or use it uptil now when he learned Sage Mode.

Yet even as an incomplete jutsu it was the strongest short range jutsu EVER made.

Now, he's taken a while to learn Sage Mode and he's also not fully mastered it yet.

How does this help your argument?
He just kicked the ass of the strongest ninja of all time and to counter my argument saying that he's overpowered you say that there's more?


Naruto's decently over-powered, but its not as bad as you make it sound.


Most of the time(as I'm sure you've noticed) I'll go against the popular choice and over-exagerate simply because everyone is looking at one side of things when in fact the answer is somewhere in the middle(Kakashi being dead for example. I don't completely believe that he's dead. I just prefer being the one to cause trouble than the one to end it. Towards the beginning of things at least ;) You know how I roll lol ;)).
I strongly believe he's overpowered. Is he Jesus? Possibly. Is he Chuck Norris? HELL NO.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok well i say we wait to find out Sasukes "new power". It will obviously be somethign that will let him compete with sage mode. I seriusly cant wait !! :D

[WhiteFang]

Not even close to the amount Naruto gained.
MS couldn't beat Pain like Naruto did.
Who knows? And Naruto hasn't beaten Pein... yet.

Once again, it isn't the fact that he gained power, it's the way he gained power. It was poorly and lazily written. Kishimoto basically decided to knock out 20 years worth of development in 20 minutes.
Well then, this has happened for several characters, especially Naruto and Sasuke.
Neji invented 128 trigrams (or whatever its called) in the battlefield itself.
And Konohamaru suddenly came out with a Rasengan.
Sasuke learned Chidori in just a month, nature manipulation and all, and has been developing it ever since. Lightening techs is one of the major things that make him a beast.

Once again, lazily and poorly written. There's no development. It just happens.
He's basically the bratty kid in the candy store picking out candy that he wants and showing them to the writer. Instead of the writer telling the child he should save up his money and get all the candy himself, he buys the child all the candy at one time.
I see your point. However, Sasuke is no different. Like I said, one battle and cave talk later, Sasuke has the MS.
Tsukuyomi (possibly, if not, it was still one hell of a genjutsu)
Amaterasu (and he can put it out really nicely too)
Susanoo' (possibly, not confirmed or indicated at all)
Still, those two, are one of the most hax techs in the Narutoverse. Sasuke didn't work hard to get it or anything. He got after listening to a half-lie story by Madara.

That's correct, was nothing.
Now compared to Naruto, Sasuke lost power over the timeskip.
I mean come on. He lost CS which drastically changes the way he fights because he has to be more conservative with his chakra. He no longer has speed as an advantage.
Yet, he was able to give a very decent fight to Killerbee, who is one of the strongest guys out there.
So are you trying to say: CS>MS. I surely don't think so, at all.
Sasuke just doesn't have a power boost.
The CS did not increase his speed, it just gave him more stamina because he could draw out more chakra, and hence was able to maintain said speed for longer periods. CS going doesn't imply however, that Sasuke has become slower.
Naruto and Sasuke have both gained a hell lot of power over the time skip.

Kakashi's Ingenious Traning Method. Aka, the most lazy way to develop a character.
Not necessarily.
Its been developed right from the start actually.
Naruto, since the very beginning of this series has been a Kage Bunshin person.
What Kakashi did was to educate him to another one of its crucial uses.
And don't you tell me, Naruto didn't work for it.
He worked his ass off for about 5 months (wind nature manipulation training included)
How do I get the time?
Well, when they came back after getting stomped by Sasuke, Naruto and co. were all worried that there are just six months left and they aren't strong enough.
Nearly immediately after Hidan-Kakuzu battle, they set-off along with Team 8 (ya know, the big gang) to look for Sasuke.
In the meanwhile, Sasuke killed Oro. And Oro was babbling about how it was time. So it means the six months (or real close to it) were up.
Which means it took Naruto about 5 months to complete his FRS training.
And the even more important thing is, Naruto already needed to know Rasengan for this.
So, its basically all of Naruto's hardwork over the entire series coming together to make this tech work.
It wasn't a one-off. It had been developed.
Naruto's addiction to KB. And then also him learning Rasengan. FRS is where it all comes together.
And even against Kakuzu, Naruto really couldn't use the tech that efficiently nor had he completed. He screwed up the first time, hit the second time after which he screwed up his arm. Tsunade told him to never use it again.
And he didn't too. He could only use it again, and completely, when he learned Sage Mode. Don't you see?
Naruto's development is a long-term thing. You're only narrowly focusing on the short-term, but see it broadly, and its all coming along nicely.

Yet even as an incomplete jutsu it was the strongest short range jutsu EVER made.
Read above.

How does this help your argument?
He just kicked the ass of the strongest ninja of all time and to counter my argument saying that he's overpowered you say that there's more?
Now now, I never once said, Naruto wasn't over-powered. What I say is that, the entire cast is also mostly over-powered (I mean the villains and also his lovely brother-rival Sasuke) and Naruto hasn't been so ridiculous in the way he's learned things. Its fine.

Most of the time(as I'm sure you've noticed) I'll go against the popular choice and over-exagerate simply because everyone is looking at one side of things when in fact the answer is somewhere in the middle(Kakashi being dead for example. I don't completely believe that he's dead. I just prefer being the one to cause trouble than the one to end it. Towards the beginning of things at least ;) You know how I roll lol ;)).
I strongly believe he's overpowered. Is he Jesus? Possibly. Is he Chuck Norris? HELL NO.
xDDD I know.
I just felt like coming in because I figured you were being a bit too harsh.
For me, its pretty clear that Naruto and Sasuke both are over-powered beings. And we haven't even really seen Sasuke work for his power. Atleast Naruto works his ass off. But then again Sasuke has always been the "genius".. so there we go. But Naruto's techs in my opinion are more badass, Sage Mode for instance. But then Kishi still makes certain hitches for him.. like he can only utilize 2 clones worth of Sage Mode and it also inhibits his KB abilities. So essentially, he needs to finish a battle fast, or he's done for. For Sasuke.. up until the Deidara battle and even the Itachi battle, he was wayyy over-powered and didn't even have any drawbacks. Kishi had pretty much turned him into a God.
After the Itachi battle though, he has become fine. Much like Naruto, now he too has some hitches in his powers, yet that doesn't take anything away from the fact that he does have one the most powerful techs in Narutoverse in the form of MS and Kirin.

Gee.. and do not be mean to my Kakashi Matt. :cry: What has he done wrong? He's one of the best written guys in this manga. Non-overpowered and well developed. ^^

[X-Drake]

I believe this will be ended with Naruro's victory. Since the last match, Naruto has been gaining training that would make him win the fight. He know's sasuke can supress the Kyuubi but can he supress it while he is allready kyuubi. I say this becuase sasuke uses the sharingan to enter Naruto and can he look into naruto's eye's while he is moving faster and faster.

Sage mode would also help Naruto but even greater. We seen the speed of sage mode is great and enough to beat sasuke. As seen against Hungy Ghost realm that naruto could use the natural energy to hit them.

This would get sasuke how we seen the kyuubi chakra get him. At the VOTE, sasuke was dodging naruto but KN1 was molding chakra to get him. So this means that if sasuke dodged the kyuubi could get him or the natural energy.

Frog fu also gives naruto an advantage as he is even better in taijutsu and could fight sasuke and Pwn him close range.


Mid range

If it comes to mid range Sasuke has a wider range of moves. Sasuke could use chidori and all its varients to attack naruto. But for naruto he could use the Kyuubi blast to destroy them.

Kirin. Well as seen when sasuke was gonna kill team 7, he held his hand up in the air but Oro stoped him. This kinda proves he could use more chakra to make kirin but it may or may not be of normal power.

Fuuton RasenShuriken. This is Naruto power house jutsu. If he can form this then It could destroy the Kirin as wind beats Lightning and Rasengan is Rasengan, so it would beat sasuke.

In sage mode he can throw this jutsu, this also gives him an advantage. Sasuke may have the speed to dodge it, but this jutsu also attacks the area around it as seen against kazuku. Plus Naruto is ver very smart in the battle field and could easily use it with potential.

Fire jutsu. Sasuke has a range of Fire jutsu which would keep naruto busy.

Summons. Naruto has a range of frog summons he could use. This could be for water jutsu or to sit on top of and gain natural energy.

Ma and Pa. These summons I listed seperate as they are the powerfull sages who would help this battle to be won quicker.

Amatrasu. Sasuke has this dangerous jutsu which would help him alot.

Four tails. Nuf said.

Kyuubi Chakra beam. If he goes KN4 then this could end it.

And more.


In conclusion, I think the battle would last a while bust Naruto has every thing covered.

[Masterofdeath]

Naruto wins for all the reasons that have already been stated by x-drake and majinsharingan.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Heres how i see it. In the end they have to fight and they will be evenly matched. So at this point you can so so and so wins, but that wont last long. Once we figure out sasukes power that is strong enough to destroy konoha i believe the battle will be much less clear

[Masterofdeath]

Having a powerful jutsu that is great enough to destroy a villiage doesn't make you a great fighter. Kakashi has a jutsu that can destroy konoha, Deidara does, Itachi does, Sasuke does (so he claims), Pein does, Naruto does, Hiashi and possibly Neji does, Orochimaru did, etc. This shows that one strong attack means nothing.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Namikaze is technically right.
Logically they are not evenly matched. But for storyline purposes they have to be. They're the rival characters.


Well then, this has happened for several characters, especially Naruto and Sasuke.
Neji invented 128 trigrams (or whatever its called) in the battlefield itself.
And Konohamaru suddenly came out with a Rasengan.
Sasuke learned Chidori in just a month, nature manipulation and all, and has been developing it ever since. Lightening techs is one of the major things that make him a beast.

When did Neji invent a technique?
Konohamaru didn't suddenly learn it though. He most likely learned it over the time-skip. between arcs. Note how Naruto taught him rasengan. Note the fact that Konohamaru seemed to of just learned shadow clone when Naruto got back. He probably learned it in between arcs.

I see your point. However, Sasuke is no different. Like I said, one battle and cave talk later, Sasuke has the MS.
Tsukuyomi (possibly, if not, it was still one hell of a genjutsu)
Amaterasu (and he can put it out really nicely too)
Susanoo' (possibly, not confirmed or indicated at all)
Still, those two, are one of the most hax techs in the Narutoverse. Sasuke didn't work hard to get it or anything. He got after listening to a half-lie story by Madara.

Sasuke, is a more minor case. But you are still right.
The MS is not a technique one can train to get however.
I agree with you on Ameratsu, he did master that awfully fast.

The CS did not increase his speed, it just gave him more stamina because he could draw out more chakra, and hence was able to maintain said speed for longer periods. CS going doesn't imply however, that Sasuke has become slower.
Naruto and Sasuke have both gained a hell lot of power over the time skip.


You clearly misunderstood me.
I wasn't implying Sasuke has gotten slower. I was implying Naruto has gotten faster.

Read above.

Good post. Most, if not all of what you said was correct.
:hug:
I missed you lol.

Now now, I never once said, Naruto wasn't over-powered. What I say is that, the entire cast is also mostly over-powered (I mean the villains and also his lovely brother-rival Sasuke) and Naruto hasn't been so ridiculous in the way he's learned things. Its fine.

Kishi stole The Hyperbolic Time Chamber from Akira.
Naruto's Training Method is the exact same as the time chamber.
You don't do anything different, it just speeds everything up at a crazy rate.

[Smiley]

The CS did not increase his speed, it just gave him more stamina because he could draw out more chakra, and hence was able to maintain said speed for longer periods

CSL2 enhances all physical attributes, I believe. More than 10x fold, if I recall correctly. In VOTE, base Sasuke and base Naruto were fighting evenly, but when Sasuke used CS, he completely and utterly blitzed him. And that was only CS stage one. Taka Sasuke is much slower than Hebi Sasuke.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Having a powerful jutsu that is great enough to destroy a villiage doesn't make you a great fighter. Kakashi has a jutsu that can destroy konoha, Deidara does, Itachi does, Sasuke does (so he claims), Pein does, Naruto does, Hiashi and possibly Neji does, Orochimaru did, etc. This shows that one strong attack means nothing.

Actually only Itachi, deidara and pein have such a tech from that list. However i dont believe i said jutsu. Sasuke has a POWER that can destroy the village. Just as sage mode is a power not a jutsu. I beleive sasuke has such an ace up his sleeve

Namikaze is technically right.
Logically they are not evenly matched. But for storyline purposes they have to be. They're the rival characters.

Ya i agree. Technically sasuke is much more talented as a shinobi so one would think he should be better, but naruto NOW has a much more potent form and at this point with the info we have can beat anyone. However as majin brang up, for storyline purposes sasuke will have something that will draw him even with naruto. I personally cant wait to see what it is. It obviously has to do with the sharingan so im obviosly excited :lol:

[WhiteFang]

When did Neji invent a technique?
Umm.. didn't he whip out 128 palms on the spot against Kidomarou. Till earlier it was just restricted to 64 palms, but Neji actually took it to a wholly new level. (my memory is a bit rusty... so I'm not sure if it was 128.. or some other no.)
Konohamaru didn't suddenly learn it though. He most likely learned it over the time-skip. between arcs. Note how Naruto taught him rasengan. Note the fact that Konohamaru seemed to of just learned shadow clone when Naruto got back. He probably learned it in between arcs.
Agreed.

Sasuke, is a more minor case. But you are still right.
The MS is not a technique one can train to get however.
I agree with you on Ameratsu, he did master that awfully fast.
:xd: True.


You clearly misunderstood me.
I wasn't implying Sasuke has gotten slower. I was implying Naruto has gotten faster.
Okay. :^^: Its still difficult to comment however which of the two is faster currently.

Good post. Most, if not all of what you said was correct.
:hug:
I missed you lol.
Awww.. you too Majin. :hug: Its always a pleasure debating with ya. :D

Kishi stole The Hyperbolic Time Chamber from Akira.
Naruto's Training Method is the exact same as the time chamber.
You don't do anything different, it just speeds everything up at a crazy rate.
Which is actually kinda true, but lets just say Kishi needs to use plot devices.. he may hax the sharingan or some other ability to get out of a tough spot or randomly put a rasengan somewhere. That's how he rolls. xD

And Kishi admits he's a DBZ fan.. so there. :P

CSL2 enhances all physical attributes, I believe. More than 10x fold, if I recall correctly. In VOTE, base Sasuke and base Naruto were fighting evenly, but when Sasuke used CS, he completely and utterly blitzed him. And that was only CS stage one. Taka Sasuke is much slower than Hebi Sasuke.
10x?
All I recall is CS allowing the user to extract and use up their chakra to the max. meaning that Sasuke can maintain his speed for longer periods of time with the CS.
VOTE was quite a while ago, so my facts maybe messed up. I would appreciate if you can take the pain to find the manga links so that this can be sorted. :^^:

[X-Drake]

Umm.. didn't he whip out 128 palms on the spot against Kidomarou. Till earlier it was just restricted to 64 palms, but Neji actually took it to a wholly new level. (my memory is a bit rusty... so I'm not sure if it was 128.. or some other no.)
Sorry thats from the anime. :p

Anyways as I stated before. Naruto would destroy sasuke. Its fact.

[D.I.Y Death]

Well Naruto now has 6 tailed Kyuubi. 4 tails was brutal but 6 is going to be a lot stronger. There's going to be a massive power gap between Naruto and Sasuke by time Pein is dead. I wonder what kind of ace could level the playing field when Naruto can use Sage mode and if he really gets in trouble he can just bust out the kyuubi.

[Smiley]

Sharingan can suppress the Kyuubi chakra so that won't be effective against Sasuke...

Sennin Naruto is probably considerably stronger than Sasuke now, although he could still potentially win. While Naruto has stamina and power, Sasuke gained a lot of hax through Mangekyou Sharingan, so even in Sennin Moodo, he could still take him out with Amaterasu, or whatever the third tech he spoke of is. That is of course, assuming he doesn't get blitzed with Kawazu Kumite or something.

[D.I.Y Death]

Sharingan can suppress the Kyuubi chakra so that won't be effective against Sasuke...

Sennin Naruto is probably considerably stronger than Sasuke now, although he could still potentially win. While Naruto has stamina and power, Sasuke gained a lot of hax through Mangekyou Sharingan, so even in Sennin Moodo, he could still take him out with Amaterasu, or whatever the third tech he spoke of is. That is of course, assuming he doesn't get blitzed with Kawazu Kumite or something.

Well we are totally unsure on what the hell happened with Sasuke and Naruto starting to use the Kyuubi chakra. It was definitely stopped but we have no idea on the specifics or if it could stop Naruto who is willingly using the Kyuubi chakra. Too many unanswered questions to simply dismiss it.

[Smiley]

Well we are totally unsure on what the hell happened with Sasuke and Naruto starting to use the Kyuubi chakra. It was definitely stopped but we have no idea on the specifics or if it could stop Naruto who is willingly using the Kyuubi chakra. Too many unanswered questions to simply dismiss it.

Sasuke saw the Kyuubi inside of Naruto with Sharingan and the Kyuubi itself said that Sasuke could 'suppress' its chakra. I mean really, what specifics are unknown? In tailed form he could probably take full control of it with Mangekyou Sharingan.

[D.I.Y Death]

Sasuke saw the Kyuubi inside of Naruto with Sharingan and the Kyuubi itself said that Sasuke could 'suppress' its chakra. I mean really, what specifics are unknown? In tailed form he could probably take full control of it with Mangekyou Sharingan.

I don't think its that simple. I think we have a glimpse of something that will become a major plot device later in the series and as of right now we can't accurately judge if Sasuke can suppress the Kyuubi chakra when Naruto is embracing it. Right now this just boils down to opinion since there's a strong argument for and against Naruto being able to use the Kyuubi in a fight against Sasuke. Agreed?

[Smiley]

I don't think its that simple. I think we have a glimpse of something that will become a major plot device later in the series and as of right now we can't accurately judge if Sasuke can suppress the Kyuubi chakra when Naruto is embracing it. Right now this just boils down to opinion since there's a strong argument for and against Naruto being able to use the Kyuubi in a fight against Sasuke. Agreed?

Alright, I guess >_>

Also like I said, if Mangekyou can control full-Kyuubi then why not the lower tails?

[D.I.Y Death]

Alright, I guess >_>

Also like I said, if Mangekyou can control full-Kyuubi then why not the lower tails?

The real question is was it the ems or the ms that allowed that and the next question is what does that require?

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ya as DIY said i think its fair to wait for a little more information in this one

[Smiley]

The real question is was it the ems or the ms that allowed that and the next question is what does that require?

It's normal Mangekyou:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/02/

No special conditions are specified. The only drawback that is mentioned is blindness that comes with the overuse of the Mangekyou Sharingan.

[jiraiya_sama]

lol well with his recent ST and his new FRS naruto has a obvious advantage in this fight. expecially with the ability to keep clones collecting chakra to keep his HM alive. so with that in mind naruto dominates the stamina field as far as longevity in combat then to add on top of his ability to keep sage mode going atleast three times naruto just busted out the 6t following his long use of HM. the 6t alone would be hard for sasuke to fight (yes i realize that ppl say sasuke will just supress the kyuubi) but you think he will have enough strenght left after fighting naruto in HM 3 times to supress it? i just dont see it. but i guess in the case that it comes down to jutsu and quite honestly i wanna see what you guys think before i start shouting out my opinions..............btw can anyone imagine if naruto had the Bunshin Daibakuha jutsu that itachi does to make his clones explode ha id say alittle over powered the minute like a thousand naruto's are going jihad on someone ha

[WhiteFang]

Clearly it seems by Jiraiya's dialogue here that merely having the MS isn't enough. Which is why I think Kyuubi compared Sasuke to Madara. Controlling Kyuubi is not just all about MS.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/17/

[Smiley]

Clearly it seems by Jiraiya's dialogue here that merely having the MS isn't enough. Which is why I think Kyuubi compared Sasuke to Madara. Controlling Kyuubi is not just all about MS.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/17/

Jiraiya is talking about summoning the Kyuubi, not controlling it, though. =/

Both and Itachi and Sasuke said that normal Mangekyou is enough, and that the only price to pay is going blind; while the EMS eliminates even this.

[Masterofdeath]

The MS being able to Supress the kyuubi doesn't matter because by the time this occurs Naruto will already have defeated Sasuke with the pure power of sage mode.

[WhiteFang]

Jiraiya is talking about summoning the Kyuubi, not controlling it, though. =/

Both and Itachi and Sasuke said that normal Mangekyou is enough, and that the only price to pay is going blind; while the EMS eliminates even this.

We don't know what and what not Itachi lied about, to be honest.
And Sasuke.. he just asked about Madara specifically. He said "So this is the price for controlling the nine-tailed fox" Sasuke probably read on the tablets of Madara's heroics of summoning Kyuubi, that's why he specifically asked about him, else he would of phrased his question differently. Also, the thing backing this up is Kyuubi's specific comparison of Sasuke with Madara. Else, even Kyuubi would have phrased it differently.
Three entities specifically mention Madara. There's a clear hint here, is it not?
I'd rather trust them than Itachi's word, knowing beforehand that Itachi actually had reasons to lie about a lot of things, and he did lie too.

[Smiley]

We don't know what and what not Itachi lied about, to be honest.

Itachi was not just pulling random lies out of his ass for the lulz, you know. He played the role of a villain, and all his lies were a part of that role. He had no reason to lie about the ability of Mangekyou Sharingan.


And Sasuke.. he just asked about Madara specifically. He said "So this is the price for controlling the nine-tailed fox" Sasuke probably read on the tablets of Madara's heroics of summoning Kyuubi, that's why he specifically asked about him, else he would of phrased his question differently.

Sasuke never mentioned Madara. He didn't even know who Madara was until Itachi revealed it to him.

He had obviously heard about it somewhere before, and when Itachi mentioned Mangekyou's side effect, he immediately associated it with controlling the Kyuubi. Madara wasn't mentioned anywhere.


Also, the thing backing this up is Kyuubi's specific comparison of Sasuke with Madara. Else, even Kyuubi would have phrased it differently.
Three entities specifically mention Madara. There's a clear hint here, is it not?

What does this have to do with Kyuubi control? The Kyuubi simply mentioned that he recognized in Sasuke the same eyes as that of Madara's (Sharingan).

Nowhere is it stated or even implied that EMS is the requirement for Kyuubi control, nor is it anywhere said that Madara was the only one capable of doing it.

I'd rather trust them than Itachi's word, knowing beforehand that Itachi actually had reasons to lie about a lot of things, and he did lie too.


I'd probably agree - but Itachi's statement was not questioned or contradicted anywhere and in fact, Sasuke himself confirmed its validity.

[Masterofdeath]

Naruto!

Explain.

Naruto does win this however as long as he is able to counter the genjutsu Sasuke has, which doesn't include the tsykuyomi because Sasuke has not shown the power to do so.

[WhiteFang]

Itachi was not just pulling random lies out of his ass for the lulz, you know. He played the role of a villain, and all his lies were a part of that role. He had no reason to lie about the ability of Mangekyou Sharingan.
Well really don't know all about the MS yet either, he could've had a reason.

Sasuke never mentioned Madara. He didn't even know who Madara was until Itachi revealed it to him.

He had obviously heard about it somewhere before, and when Itachi mentioned Mangekyou's side effect, he immediately associated it with controlling the Kyuubi. Madara wasn't mentioned anywhere.

What does this have to do with Kyuubi control? The Kyuubi simply mentioned that he recognized in Sasuke the same eyes as that of Madara's (Sharingan).

Nowhere is it stated or even implied that EMS is the requirement for Kyuubi control, nor is it anywhere said that Madara was the only one capable of doing it.
*sighs* Wrong.
You mis-interpreted everything.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/16/
Before this, in the genjutsu, Itachi was talking about MS and blindness.
Then in the link I provided, Sasuke interjected and questioned "Who is Madara?" Itachi didn't say anything regarding Madara before that.
Now, its obvious to question that the why the hell would Sasuke take Madara's name? Even Madara's brother Izuna had MS, he could've taken his name.
This coupled with the fact that Jiraiya also confirmed that Madara was the only one capable of summoning Kyuubi, clearly indicates that just having MS is not enough. Apparently, you are supposed to have very gifted eyes which Sasuke has too.
And the third parameter I use to fortify my claim is Kyuubi. Kyuubi also compared Sasuke's eyes to Madara's and not any other Uchiha's who had MS. And we know that several Uchiha apart from Madara have possessed the MS; his own brother for example.
This is clearly leading us to the fact that Madara was the sole person capable of controlling Kyuubi and as things are going, the next gifted guy is Sasuke.

[Smiley]

Well really don't know all about the MS yet either, he could've had a reason.

Lol, okay...

*sighs* Wrong.
You mis-interpreted everything.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/16/
Before this, in the genjutsu, Itachi was talking about MS and blindness.
Then in the link I provided, Sasuke interjected and questioned "Who is Madara?" Itachi didn't say anything regarding Madara before that.

Actually, you are wrong. They did talk about Madara before that:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/06/

Sasuke asked Itachi who the third Uchiha survivor was prior to that - and Itachi told him it was Uchiha Madara, the man who learned the final secret of the Sharingan. That's why he asked him who he was. He didn't know anything about him before that conversation. Again, I still don't see what this has to do with Madara being the only capable of controlling the Kyuubi.

This coupled with the fact that Jiraiya also confirmed that Madara was the only one capable of summoning Kyuubi, clearly indicates that just having MS is not enough. Apparently, you are supposed to have very gifted eyes which Sasuke has too.

Once again, I'm sorry but I don't see what this has to do with controlling the Kyuubi. Summoning =/= controlling. I'm not doubting Madara was the only Uchiha capable of summoning it.

And the third parameter I use to fortify my claim is Kyuubi. Kyuubi also compared Sasuke's eyes to Madara's and not any other Uchiha's who had MS. And we know that several Uchiha apart from Madara have possessed the MS; his own brother for example.

The Kyuubi simply said he saw that he recognized "the same eyes" in Sasuke, he saw once in Madara. Those eyes are Sharingan eyes. And Madara was the one who controlled the Kyuubi one hundred years ago. Maybe he didn't know of other Uchihas? Either way I still don't see how this implies that you need a special talent to control it.

And also, my initial my point was that Sasuke would not have to worry about the Kyuubified Naruto - thanks to Mangekyou Sharingan. Although I don't necessarily agree that other MS users couldn't control it.

[WhiteFang]

Lol, okay...
He heee heee. Kukuku. Just being smarty pants for the heck of it. Its 2 am right now. xD

Actually, you are wrong. They did talk about Madara before that:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/06/

Sasuke asked Itachi who the third Uchiha survivor was prior to that - and Itachi told him it was Uchiha Madara, the man who learned the final secret of the Sharingan. That's why he asked him who he was. He didn't know anything about him before that conversation. Again, I still don't see what this has to do with Madara being the only capable of controlling the Kyuubi.
Ah.
But then again Sasuke questioned the 3rd survivor first, didn't he?
Though I do concede that Itachi mentioned Madara.
However, the point still stands that why does everyone harp about Madara if controlling Kyuubi with MS wasn't a big deal?

Once again, I'm sorry but I don't see what this has to do with controlling the Kyuubi. Summoning =/= controlling. I'm not doubting Madara was the only Uchiha capable of summoning it.
But Jiraiya said that.
And anyways, how can you control it if you can't even summon it? =/
And regardless, even if you can, it becomes useless if you can't summon it to the place of battle. So it really doesn't matter whether you can control it or not, as long as you can't summon it even.

The Kyuubi simply said he saw that he recognized "the same eyes" in Sasuke, he saw once in Madara. Those eyes are Sharingan eyes. And Madara was the one who controlled the Kyuubi one hundred years ago. Maybe he didn't know of other Uchihas? Either way I still don't see how this implies that you need a special talent to control it.
But if other Uchiha had also controlled Kyuubi, the Kyuubi isn't a Madaratard to take his name in specific, ne?
Well it does imply that in a sense because:
Jiraiya says Madara was the only one capable of summoning Kyuubi, Kyuubi also takes Madara's name and even Itachi hypes Madara to an extent.
Its all pointing there.

And also, my initial my point was that Sasuke would not have to worry about the Kyuubified Naruto - thanks to Mangekyou Sharingan. Although I don't necessarily agree that other MS users couldn't control it.
Oh.
Then we agree on the Sasuke part, and disagree on the other part.
Going by general statements made in the manga uptil now, and especially fortified by Jiraiya's statement, I think not all Uchiha's can control Kyuubi.
Or even if we go ahead and assume that all of them can control it, Jiraiya seems pretty clear about the fact the only Madara was capable of summoning it.
And if other Uchiha can't summon it to the battleground in the first place, the control is pretty much useless.

[Masterofdeath]

The control of the kyuubi in this fight no longer matters because Naruto is determined not to use it in battle any more. So, the debate over the MS control of the kyuubi is completely pointless, and it would be best to just to get back on the topic at hand.

[MinatoNamikaze]

He heee heee. Kukuku. Just being smarty pants for the heck of it. Its 2 am right now. xD


Ah.
But then again Sasuke questioned the 3rd survivor first, didn't he?
Though I do concede that Itachi mentioned Madara.
However, the point still stands that why does everyone harp about Madara if controlling Kyuubi with MS wasn't a big deal?


But Jiraiya said that.
And anyways, how can you control it if you can't even summon it? =/
And regardless, even if you can, it becomes useless if you can't summon it to the place of battle. So it really doesn't matter whether you can control it or not, as long as you can't summon it even.

But if other Uchiha had also controlled Kyuubi, the Kyuubi isn't a Madaratard to take his name in specific, ne?
Well it does imply that in a sense because:
Jiraiya says Madara was the only one capable of summoning Kyuubi, Kyuubi also takes Madara's name and even Itachi hypes Madara to an extent.
Its all pointing there.


Oh.
Then we agree on the Sasuke part, and disagree on the other part.
Going by general statements made in the manga uptil now, and especially fortified by Jiraiya's statement, I think not all Uchiha's can control Kyuubi.
Or even if we go ahead and assume that all of them can control it, Jiraiya seems pretty clear about the fact the only Madara was capable of summoning it.
And if other Uchiha can't summon it to the battleground in the first place, the control is pretty much useless.

Ok well this page shows that it may not even take MS to control it, although i think it was a drawing error by kishihttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/

And this quote proves you wrong about madara being the only uchiha http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/15/

The elders thought madara was dead yet they still thought it was AN UCHIHA that was behind the attack. If madara was the only one capable they would have no reason to worry

[WhiteFang]

Ok well this page shows that it may not even take MS to control it, although i think it was a drawing error by kishihttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/

And this quote proves you wrong about madara being the only uchiha http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/15/

The elders thought madara was dead yet they still thought it was AN UCHIHA that was behind the attack. If madara was the only one capable they would have no reason to worry

In the first link, Madara his MS activated so I don't know what you mean.

As for the second link, that's what I've been saying all along.
You'd probably need to have gifted eyes along with the MS. Which is why everyone has been harping on Uchiha Madara. Had it been a cake walk for any Uchiha with MS, we would've heard a lot more names.
Plus, this also furthers the point that maybe the elders were falsely trying to implicate the Uchiha. Which why Jiraiya said that Minato knew something grave.
There's a good possibility that this was actually it.
Maybe Minato was the one who knew all along that Uchiha Madara was the only one capable of summoning Kyuubi and not just any Uchiha with MS, like the elders said.
I'm not putting this in stone or anything, what I'm trying to put across is that several statements have been made in the manga, and some even contradict each other, so controlling Kyuubi is probably not just as simple as gaining MS.
I mean.. c'mon.. Sasuke suppressed the Kyuubi's chakra sans MS.
And J-man said Madara was the only one capable of summoning Kyuubi.

[Smiley]

Ah.
But then again Sasuke questioned the 3rd survivor first, didn't he?
Though I do concede that Itachi mentioned Madara.
However, the point still stands that why does everyone harp about Madara if controlling Kyuubi with MS wasn't a big deal?


Itachi hyped him for his strength and being the greatest Uchiha in history, while Jiraiya did the same for he was the only person ever capable of summoning the Kyuubi and being the founder of the Uchiha clan (although this is contradicted afterwards).

But Jiraiya said that.
And anyways, how can you control it if you can't even summon it? =/

Take this fight for example. I can come up with another hypothetical situation, that's not what the point is, though. =/

But if other Uchiha had also controlled Kyuubi, the Kyuubi isn't a Madaratard to take his name in specific, ne?

The Kyuubi didn't mention anything about Madara being able to control the Kyuubi. He only said that he recognized the same eyes in Sasuke as that of Madara's(which is Sharingan). Why did he specifically mention Madara? I'd guess it's because he was the strongest/most talented Uchiha in history - and he probably recognized the same talent/potential in Sasuke.

Well it does imply that in a sense because:
Jiraiya says Madara was the only one capable of summoning Kyuubi, Kyuubi also takes Madara's name and even Itachi hypes Madara to an extent.
Its all pointing there.


Nevertheless, not a single mention of Madara being the only one capable of controlling the Kyuubi. And we have two other characters explicitly stating otherwise. Both of whom have probably learned about it from the Uchiha tablet. I don't see a contradiction anywhere.

[WhiteFang]

Itachi hyped him for his strength and being the greatest Uchiha in history, while Jiraiya did the same for he was the only person ever capable of summoning the Kyuubi and being the founder of the Uchiha clan (although this is contradicted afterwards).
No.
The summoning part has never been contradicted, the control part has been, however.

Take this fight for example. I can come up with another hypothetical situation, that's not what the point is, though. =/
Yet, it still becomes useless, so if you can control it and not summon it, its pretty much useless. And in this case, we have no idea of the situation when a Jinchuuriki is involved.

The Kyuubi didn't mention anything about Madara being able to control the Kyuubi. He only said that he recognized the same eyes in Sasuke as that of Madara's(which is Sharingan).
Okay. And Kyuubi was just cursing just like that huh?

Why did he specifically mention Madara? I'd guess it's because he was the strongest/most talented Uchiha in history - and he probably recognized the same talent/potential in Sasuke.
True.
And its funny that, if Kyuubi was also ever controlled by other Uchiha, he would only take Madara's name. This further fortifies the claim that Madara has been the only one who has ever controlled the Kyuubi. Itachi also verifies this when he said that Madara was responsible for the Kyuubi attack on the village during Minato's reign.

Nevertheless, not a single mention of Madara being the only one capable of controlling the Kyuubi. And we have two other characters explicitly stating otherwise. Both of whom have probably learned about it from the Uchiha tablet. I don't see a contradiction anywhere.
Yet, a solid un-biased mention by Jiraiya of Madara being the only one capable of summoning it and zero proof of any other Uchiha having ever done so, whereas Madara's feats have been verified more than once.
And Itachi also said that clansmen had been killing each other for gaining MS for ages. So, it would have been fairly easy for them to summon Kyuubi, if MS is all that is required. And I find it a rather stupid notion that an Uchiha won't control the Kyuubi when he can, and there should've been many instances when Kyuubi was controlled. Yet the Kyuubi rants about Uchiha Madara. He should've just called Sasuke a talented Uchiha or something, if he'd also been controlled by other Uchiha's apart from Madara.

[MinatoNamikaze]

As for the second link, that's what I've been saying all along.
You'd probably need to have gifted eyes along with the MS. Which is why everyone has been harping on Uchiha Madara. Had it been a cake walk for any Uchiha with MS, we would've heard a lot more names.
Plus, this also furthers the point that maybe the elders were falsely trying to implicate the Uchiha. Which why Jiraiya said that Minato knew something grave.
There's a good possibility that this was actually it.
Maybe Minato was the one who knew all along that Uchiha Madara was the only one capable of summoning Kyuubi and not just any Uchiha with MS, like the elders said.
I'm not putting this in stone or anything, what I'm trying to put across is that several statements have been made in the manga, and some even contradict each other, so controlling Kyuubi is probably not just as simple as gaining MS.
I mean.. c'mon.. Sasuke suppressed the Kyuubi's chakra sans MS.
And J-man said Madara was the only one capable of summoning Kyuubi.

No as is stated by Itachi, all you need is MS to control Kyubi. He said that that wasnt the final power of MS which implies that that is one of the abilities of MS. The reason noone else was mentioned was becuase Madara was the only known person who had MS, other than Izuna. At that time, Madara was the last one to have gotten MS before the attack

[WhiteFang]

No as is stated by Itachi, all you need is MS to control Kyubi. He said that that wasnt the final power of MS which implies that that is one of the abilities of MS. The reason noone else was mentioned was becuase Madara was the only known person who had MS, other than Izuna. At that time, Madara was the last one to have gotten MS before the attack

I really never trust Itachi's word, for the most part, after all, he did lie about many things.

That aside, how do you justify Jiraiya's completely un-biased statement? He clearly said that only Madara was the one capable of summoning Kyuubi. Jiraiya was conversing with his toad, and had absolutely no reason to lie, unlike Itachi. So how do you refute that?

[MinatoNamikaze]

I really never trust Itachi's word, for the most part, after all, he did lie about many things.

That aside, how do you justify Jiraiya's completely un-biased statement? He clearly said that only Madara was the one capable of summoning Kyuubi. Jiraiya was conversing with his toad, and had absolutely no reason to lie, unlike Itachi. So how do you refute that?

Itachi had no reason to lie about MS's capabilites. Also who do you think is more knowledgable about MS???? Besides Madara is the only one to ever summon and use the Kyubi so JIriya wouldnt know its an MS ability. Besides, Jiriyas never seen MS

[WhiteFang]

Itachi had no reason to lie about MS's capabilites. Also who do you think is more knowledgable about MS???? Besides Madara is the only one to ever summon and use the Kyubi so JIriya wouldnt know its an MS ability. Besides, Jiriyas never seen MS

Huh? So your argument is that Jiraiya, a sannin, someone who's 30 years older than Itachi and has so much experience under his belt, coupled with the fact that Itachi was about 5 years old when the Kyuubi attack happened, I see much more weight in Jiraiya's opinion than Itachi's. And also, though we don't know, maybe Itachi even had a reason to lie about MS abilities or lets say this particular MS ability... who knows?

[MinatoNamikaze]

Huh? So your argument is that Jiraiya, a sannin, someone who's 30 years older than Itachi and has so much experience under his belt, coupled with the fact that Itachi was about 5 years old when the Kyuubi attack happened, I see much more weight in Jiraiya's opinion than Itachi's.

Im talking about Ms's abilities. DO you actually think Jiriya knew more about them then ITachi a master of the MS??? Also, iirc Jiriya wasnt even in the village at the time of the attack was he? Wasnt he still on his "journey">

And also, though we don't know, maybe Itachi even had a reason to lie about MS abilities or lets say this particular MS ability... who knows?

I dont see much of a reason to lie. We could argeu everything Madara said about it was false if we wanted to but theres nothing to contracdict either things.

[Smiley]

I don't see what you're arguing over when the two statements do not conflict each other. Discussing which character is more reliable is pointless. Especially since this is fiction we're talking about - when talking in a serious, informative context they're not real people, but lines on the paper the exist to express the intentions of the author. Bringing up their experience or knowledge is pointless - since they know only what the author wants them to know, and feeding readers with false information is pointless(unless it's for plot purposes). They're both equally reliable, since it's at the end of the day the same person that is writing those lines.

[X-Drake]

Naruto would win. When have you seen a Uchiha throwing a sword the size of Zabuza. Nevar. They can't control that.

On the Other Hand. Uzumaki threw a rhino that was kinda large. Like nothing.


Naruto would out run sasuke, kick him into a mountaiin then destroy the mountain with A FRS.

Sasuke has about 0.0001% chance of wining this.

[0ba]

Naruto would win. When have you seen a Uchiha throwing a sword the size of Zabuza. Nevar. They can't control that.

On the Other Hand. Uzumaki threw a rhino that was kinda large. Like nothing.


Naruto would out run sasuke, kick him into a mountaiin then destroy the mountain with A FRS.

Sasuke has about 0.0001% chance of wining this..0001 is too small when you consider techs. like Tsukuyomi (Naruto's quite weak to genjutsu) and Kirin and we still haven't seen his third MS tech...

[X-Drake]

.0001 is too small when you consider techs. like Tsukuyomi (Naruto's quite weak to genjutsu) and Kirin and we still haven't seen his third MS tech...
1. No Tskyomi. He is an Uchiha, he has many Jutsus. Probably a MS Alternative, but not Tskoyomi.
2. When he met NAruto the first time, he was gonna do kirin, but without the speed of real lightning, we don't know its speed or power. Plus its weaker than FRS. Fuuton>Raiton.

Still no chance.

[0ba]

1. No Tskyomi. He is an Uchiha, he has many Jutsus. Probably a MS Alternative, but not Tskoyomi.He has Amaterasu, shouldn't he have Tsukuyomi as well since he used a genjutsu on Killer Bee that was broken instantly? Whichever MS genjutsu it is, Naruto won't even be able to break it since he couldn't break Itachi's sharingan genjutsu.

2. When he met NAruto the first time, he was gonna do kirin, but without the speed of real lightning, we don't know its speed or power. Plus its weaker than FRS. Fuuton>Raiton.Do we know it's speed or power? No. And what do you mean by 'without the speed of real lightning'?
We can only assume it'd be very powerful, since it IS real lightning. It'd just take more chakra to control it from higher up since it would take more time than if it was close to the ground.

Still no chance.In your opinion.

[X-Drake]

He has Amaterasu, shouldn't he have Tsukuyomi as well since he used a genjutsu on Killer Bee that was broken instantly? Whichever MS genjutsu it is, Naruto won't even be able to break it since he couldn't break Itachi's sharingan genjutsu.

Do we know it's speed or power? No. And what do you mean by 'without the speed of real lightning'?
We can only assume it'd be very powerful, since it IS real lightning. It'd just take more chakra to control it from higher up since it would take more time than if it was close to the ground.

In your opinion.
1. Nope. Tensha Fuuin- Amaterasu - Transcription seal - Amaterasu. He only sealed Amaterasu. He looked into him and asuke started bleeding from his eye. Cuase the postion there were in, it had a mirered affect. Thats the reason behind, Amaterasu comming from his left eye.

IT was a mis translation, he didn't transfer all his jutsus. Just Amaterasu.

And yes it may not be his common ground. But He resisted Genjutsu before and against Itachi he was helped. With Ma and Pa, on him givving chakra or the kyuubi, he can be broken out.

Plus when has Naruto lost so quikly, even against Genjutsu.

2. That kirin we saw was at a large scale becuase sasuke did not do anything but use chidori to control the lightning. And lightning travels at the speed sasuke said and cuase he took control and shaped it, that was the whole clouds discharge. Against NAruto he may have tried to use another jutsu.

Naruto + Frogs + Taijutsu + Ninjutsu + Kyuubi + Sennin Mode + Strong will = PWNZER.

Naruto has suparsed Yondaime and Jiraya, and is holding against pain and beat him. Sasuke is nothing.

[0ba]

1. Nope. Tensha Fuuin- Amaterasu - Transcription seal - Amaterasu. He only sealed Amaterasu. He looked into him and asuke started bleeding from his eye. Cuase the postion there were in, it had a mirered affect. Thats the reason behind, Amaterasu comming from his left eye.I really don't understand what you're trying to say...

IT was a mis translation, he didn't transfer all his jutsus. Just Amaterasu.What was mistranslated?

And yes it may not be his common ground. But He resisted Genjutsu beforeWhen?

and against Itachi he was helped.Sharingan genjutsu... Tsukuyomi is over in an instant. I'm still saying he has Tsukuyomi because I don't understand anything you said above.

With Ma and Pa, on him givving chakraDo the frogs sit on his shoulders? They were on Jiraiya gathering chakra because he didn't completely master Sage Mode. They aren't always on him. And Pa is dead anyway, so no toad song.

or the kyuubi, he can be broken out.It hasn't helped him before. Don't see why it would start now.

Plus when has Naruto lost so quikly, even against Genjutsu.Who has used genjutsu on him?

2. That kirin we saw was at a large scale becuase sasuke did not do anything but use chidori to control the lightning.Exactly. That's the whole point. Kirin is a technique Sasuke uses to control lightning.

And lightning travels at the speed sasuke said and cuase he took control and shaped it, that was the whole clouds discharge.What? I'm not getting what you're saying. :S

Against Naruto he may have tried to use another jutsu.By stabbing his sword into the ground and pointing his hand to the sky?

Naruto + Frogs + Taijutsu + Ninjutsu + Kyuubi + Sennin Mode + Strong will = PWNZER.

Naruto has suparsed Yondaime and Jiraya, and is holding against pain and beat him. Sasuke is nothing.Irrelevant. Who he can beat does not matter. What he has does not matter. Sasuke has an advantage over Naruto with his genjutsu. I feel Naruto would win or they'll draw again, but you make it sound like he has no chance.

[X-Drake]

Then don't debate XDD

If you remember when he transfered his jutsu. His right eye was looking at sasuke's left eye. Then he performed Transcription seal - Amaterasu. That Transerfered Amaterasu. But as he was looking at him. It entered his left eye. Then SAsuke bleed from that eye.

Thats how he got Amaterasu. Nothing else.



Anyways. Naruto is alot faster and stronger. Plus smarter and greater at Taijutsu. He would 99.999998% beat him.

[0ba]

Then don't debate XDD
I'll do what I can with that, then.
1. Nope. Tensha Fuuin- Amaterasu - Transcription seal - Amaterasu.Manga links, please? Where did you see this being performed?

He only sealed Amaterasu. He looked into him and asuke started bleeding from his eye.Where did this happen? Do you mean Itachi looked Sasuke in the eye?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/14-15/
No bleeding. No mirroring.

Cuase the postion there were in, it had a mirered affect. Thats the reason behind, Amaterasu comming from his left eye.Really don't know what you're talking about.


IT was a mis translation, he didn't transfer all his jutsus. Just Amaterasu.Provide the link showing the transfer.

If you remember when he transfered his jutsu. His right eye was looking at sasuke's left eye. Then he performed Transcription seal - Amaterasu. That Transerfered Amaterasu. But as he was looking at him. It entered his left eye. Then SAsuke bleed from that eye.

Thats how he got Amaterasu. Nothing else.Wrong.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/14-15/

That's the transfer.

Anyways. Naruto is alot faster and stronger. Plus smarter and greater at Taijutsu. He would 99.999998% beat him.Irrelevant.

[X-Drake]

Then don't debate XDD
I'll do what I can with that, then.
Manga links, please? Where did you see this being performed?

Where did this happen? Do you mean Itachi looked Sasuke in the eye?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/14-15/
No bleeding. No mirroring.

Really don't know what you're talking about.


Provide the link showing the transfer.

Wrong.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/14-15/

That's the transfer.

Irrelevant.
Yes if you notice that Itachi shoots it from his right Eye. And there during the transfer. his right eye is sasuke left.

Itachi right eye
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/04/

Sasuke's left eye
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/02-03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/04/
Taking it with his right
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/08/

That shows that Itachi Transfered it then and it went to his left eye cuase when he was looking at sasuke. His right eye is sasuke left.

Also the bleeding was probably part of the jutsu as it went around his eye.

You could say but here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/09/
The jutsu is in his right so ITachi left (Tskuyomi) went into his right.

But Tskuyomi si stated to be unbreakable Doujutsu. Those with sharingan could withstand less damage. Kirabi broke out of it meaning it was a normal or another genjutsu.

[0ba]

Yes if you notice that Itachi shoots it from his right Eye. And there during the transfer. his right eye is sasuke left.

Itachi right eye
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/04/

Sasuke's left eye
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/02-03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/04/
Taking it with his right
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/08/

That shows that Itachi Transfered it then and it went to his left eye cuase when he was looking at sasuke. His right eye is sasuke left.What?
I know that Sasuke's Amaterasu is from his left eye, and Itachi's Amaterasu is from the right, I'm not arguing that.
Itachi tapped his forehead. That's when the MS was sealed. Not by 'looking'. Look at his eyes in this page.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/14-15/
His Sharingan is switched off. How then did he transfer it?

Also the bleeding was probably part of the jutsu as it went around his eye.Huh?

You could say but here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/09/
The jutsu is in his right so ITachi left (Tskuyomi) went into his right.This has nothing to do with Itachi, imo.
Kakashi uses his left eye for Kamui. So?

But Tskuyomi si stated to be unbreakable Doujutsu. Those with sharingan could withstand less damage. Kirabi broke out of it meaning it was a normal or another genjutsu.Withstand less damage? It doesn't work on those with Sharingan and Uchiha blood. It was stated in the manga. That's why it worked on Kakashi and not Sasuke.
Killer Bee broke out of it because of his bijuu. It helped him by providing an external chakra source.

[X-Drake]

What?
I know that Sasuke's Amaterasu is from his left eye, and Itachi's Amaterasu is from the right, I'm not arguing that.
Itachi tapped his forehead. That's when the MS was sealed. Not by 'looking'. Look at his eyes in this page.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/14-15/
His Sharingan is switched off. How then did he transfer it?

Huh?

This has nothing to do with Itachi, imo.
Kakashi uses his left eye for Kamui. So?

Withstand less damage? It doesn't work on those with Sharingan and Uchiha blood. It was stated in the manga. That's why it worked on Kakashi and not Sasuke.
Killer Bee broke out of it because of his bijuu. It helped him by providing an external chakra source.
Its A sealing jutsu. He sealed the jutsu into sasuke. You don't need ms for that. Thats why in the databook it calls it Tenshfuin - Amaterasu. Transcription seal Amaterasu.

I mean that sasuke used the oppisite eyes to Itachi to use that genjutsu. But it is stated that those with sharingan MAY withstand it. Only Uchiha.

Thats why both Itachi and Zetsu were shocked when he broke out of it. Thats an Uchiha.

Doesn't matter if you have a bijuu. If the genjutsu is unbreakable then its unbreakable. The bijuu mixs chakra helping free them. Like how Sakura and Chiyo added chakra to Naruto to get him out of utakata.

[0ba]

Its A sealing jutsu. He sealed the jutsu into sasuke. You don't need ms for that. Thats why in the databook it calls it Tenshfuin - Amaterasu. Transcription seal Amaterasu.No hand seals, no sharingan, no physical contact, and if you look at that page, there's no eye contact either, Itachi's looking downwards. What did he do then? How was it transferred?
And the databook isn't allowed.
I mean that sasuke used the oppisite eyes to Itachi to use that genjutsu.So?
But it is stated that those with sharingan MAY withstand it. Only Uchiha.Those with Sharingan and Uchiha blood will withstand it. That's why Sasuke wasn't affected by Tsukuyomi, but Kakashi was.

Thats why both Itachi and Zetsu were shocked when he broke out of it. Thats an Uchiha.It doesn't matter. I don't remember seeing Itachi using Tsukuyomi on any other Uchihas. That could have been why he was surprised. And what does that stupid human leaf thing know?

Doesn't matter if you have a bijuu.It doesn't. But it does matter when you have a bijuu that's willing to act as an external chakra sauce and inject you with chakra the moment you are under genjutsu.

If the genjutsu is unbreakable then its unbreakable.You can't dispel it by yourself. Someone has to help you. All genjutsus can be dispelled by being injected with external chakra.

The bijuu mixs chakra helping free them. Like how Sakura and Chiyo added chakra to Naruto to get him out of utakata.Not as quick as a bijuu would since it's inside you and probably sees through your own eyes and knows the instant you're put under genjutsu.

[Smiley]

Its A sealing jutsu. He sealed the jutsu into sasuke. You don't need ms for that. Thats why in the databook


You don't need ms for that. Thats why in the databook


Thats why in the databook

in the databook


databook


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In b4 perma-ban.

[X-Drake]

lol
You and Niku. Like the NF guys here. I'm a lurker there.

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[D.I.Y Death]

You don't need the databook to prove that. Ameterasu is a technique that comes from the right eye. Sasuke's ameterasu comes from the left eye. Its pretty obvious that that Ameterasu isn't Sasuke's technique.

[X-Drake]

I was proving that it was only that that got transfered. And it worked with a mirror effect Right eye > Left eye.

Also that sasuke has no Tskyumi

[Nikushimi]

I really never trust Itachi's word, for the most part, after all, he did lie about many things.

That aside, how do you justify Jiraiya's completely un-biased statement? He clearly said that only Madara was the one capable of summoning Kyuubi. Jiraiya was conversing with his toad, and had absolutely no reason to lie, unlike Itachi. So how do you refute that?

Itachi stated it, it was never contradicted. You have to accept it as fact, like it or not. There's also the issue of the Kyuubi's attack being suspected as the doing of the Uchiha clan in general, and the fact that...it wasn't just Itachi who acknowledged Mangekyou Sharingan's ability to control the Kyuubi, it was actually Sasuke, who had apparently obtained that information from the scroll under the Nakano Shrine. And Sasuke was seen suppressing Kyuubi's chakra, even without Mangekyou Sharingan. The Uchiha Kekkei Genkai in general seems to have some degree of influence on the Kyuubi, however, Mangekyou Sharingan apparently grants total control.

Jiraiya doesn't know of the clan's secret meeting place hence he wouldn't know of the information contained within and consequently the powers of Mangekyou Sharingan. All he would have known would be what he had heard stories about: Madara using the Kyuubi to battle Shodai Hokage. It may be unbiased but it may also be pretty uninformed.


I agree with X-Drake though, current Naruto would probably steamroll current Sasuke, especially since he has whatever the hell Itachi gave him still up his sleeve.

You don't need the databook to prove that. Ameterasu is a technique that comes from the right eye. Sasuke's ameterasu comes from the left eye. Its pretty obvious that that Ameterasu isn't Sasuke's technique.

Sasuke demonstrated that he can use Amaterasu as well. It just happens to come from his other eye.

[X-Drake]

I agree with X-Drake though, current Naruto would probably steamroll current Sasuke, especially since he has whatever the hell Itachi gave him still up his sleeve.



Sasuke demonstrated that he can use Amaterasu as well. It just happens to come from his other eye.
And we all know what Itachi gives is like the holy graile (sp?). Naruto would tame dragons without threatening to throw there asses into mountains with it.

Yup. Cuase Itachi transfered the jutsu into him. As a safeguard against Madara and also for him to use.

[D.I.Y Death]

Sasuke demonstrated that he can use Amaterasu as well. It just happens to come from his other eye.

Which as drake pretty well proved beyond a doubt means that Sasuke was given that power and from what we have seen Sasuke also doesn't have Tsukyomi. I don't think we have seen Sasuke's MS power yet.

[Nikushimi]

And we all know what Itachi gives is like the holy graile (sp?). Naruto would tame dragons without threatening to throw there asses into mountains with it.

What Itachi gives is more powerful than Galactus's Ultimate Nullifier.

Yup. Cuase Itachi transfered the jutsu into him. As a safeguard against Madara and also for him to use.

Which as drake pretty well proved beyond a doubt means that Sasuke was given that power and from what we have seen Sasuke also doesn't have Tsukyomi. I don't think we have seen Sasuke's MS power yet.

Check again, dawgs. Itachi's Amaterasu was a one-time deal. The Mangekyou Sharingan that appeared in Sasuke's eye when it activated on Madara was Itachi's. When he used it on Hachibi, it was his own Mangekyou Sharingan, and he exclaimed before using it "Amaterasu!!!" And I'm sure I've mentioned before that the side text says "Sasuke's emotional Amaterasu!!"

[D.I.Y Death]

What Itachi gives is more powerful than Galactus's Ultimate Nullifier.





Check again, dawgs. Itachi's Amaterasu was a one-time deal. The Mangekyou Sharingan that appeared in Sasuke's eye when it activated on Madara was Itachi's. When he used it on Hachibi, it was his own Mangekyou Sharingan, and he exclaimed before using it "Amaterasu!!!" And I'm sure I've mentioned before that the side text says "Sasuke's emotional Amaterasu!!"

Yeah then why did it come from the eye that doesn't have Ameterasu? Sasuke used his Tsuwhateveryi eye for Ameterasu.

[X-Drake]

Which as drake pretty well proved beyond a doubt means that Sasuke was given that power and from what we have seen Sasuke also doesn't have Tsukyomi. I don't think we have seen Sasuke's MS power yet.
Why thanks. Its been a long time I actually tried to prove something XD

Yes. With his right eye. He put out amaterasu which as the brain (zetsu's smart side) said burns for 7 days. Thats may be his ninjutsu.

What Itachi gives is more powerful than Galactus's Ultimate Nullifier.





Check again, dawgs. Itachi's Amaterasu was a one-time deal. The Mangekyou Sharingan that appeared in Sasuke's eye when it activated on Madara was Itachi's. When he used it on Hachibi, it was his own Mangekyou Sharingan, and he exclaimed before using it "Amaterasu!!!" And I'm sure I've mentioned before that the side text says "Sasuke's emotional Amaterasu!!"
Yup. Galactas. Phanos. Whoever < Itachi lolbullshiat


Yes. ITachi gave it to him. But as I said its for sasuke's use and against MAdara. ITachi MS came up as sasuke never had one yet. And also becuase he never knew how sasuke's would look.

[Nikushimi]

Yeah then why did it come from the eye that doesn't have Ameterasu? Sasuke used his Tsuwhateveryi eye for Ameterasu.

Why does the eye Sasuke uses it from have to be the same as Itachi's?

Mythologically speaking Sasuke's order is correct, Itachi is the one who has it flip-flopped. And Susano'o is supposed to come out of the nose.

And with techniques like Kamui still acting as the outlying variables in the equation I wouldn't be too strict about what has to come from where. I mean Sasuke is NOT Itachi, and their Mangekyou Sharingans are definitely not the same as far as appearance goes.

Yes. ITachi gave it to him. But as I said its for sasuke's use and against MAdara. ITachi MS came up as sasuke never had one yet. And also becuase he never knew how sasuke's would look.

Sasuke obtained Mangekyou Sharingan from witnessing Itachi's death, so he had it, but it wasn't his that activated and it activated unintentionally. Against Hachibi, he deliberately used it, and it came from HIS Mangekyou Sharingan.

If Itachi's transferred Amaterasu could be used more than once, then it would have blasted Madara again after he survived the first one. Didn't happen.

[X-Drake]

Sasuke obtained Mangekyou Sharingan from witnessing Itachi's death, so he had it, but it wasn't his that activated and it activated unintentionally. Against Hachibi, he deliberately used it, and it came from HIS Mangekyou Sharingan.

If Itachi's transferred Amaterasu could be used more than once, then it would have blasted Madara again after he survived the first one. Didn't happen.
Cuase ITachi transfered it to sasuke Using TenshaFuuin - Amaterasu and set it to release whenever it see's Madara's sharigan. Just like how the fourth set his seal to show him whenever it is about to break. And allow him to fix it once. But after that, Naruto would have to perform it himself.

It didn't cuase it never when he had his mask on. But when he took it of. So yh. Justify that.

[Nikushimi]

Cuase ITachi transfered it to sasuke Using TenshaFuuin - Amaterasu and set it to release whenever it see's Madara's sharigan. Just like how the fourth set his seal to show him whenever it is about to break. And allow him to fix it once. But after that, Naruto would have to perform it himself.

It didn't cuase it never when he had his mask on. But when he took it of. So yh. Justify that.

I can think of at least three instances where Sasuke saw Madara's Sharingan after that and nothing happened. Even when Madara was right in his face.

[X-Drake]

I can think of at least three instances where Sasuke saw Madara's Sharingan after that and nothing happened. Even when Madara was right in his face.
My point exactly. It never attacked him once when he had the mask on. And maybe it shall not attack again as he never willed.

But yh. In either case, Itachi transfered only Amaterasu.

[Nikushimi]

My point exactly. It never attacked him once when he had the mask on. And maybe it shall not attack again as he never willed.

But yh. In either case, Itachi transfered only Amaterasu.

The conditions required state that he must only see Madara's Sharingan. He did. So why did it not continue attacking him?

There's also the issue of whose Mangekyou Sharingan it came from. If it was still Itachi's it would still come from his Mangekyou Sharingan. But Sasuke used it from his own and called it by name as he did so.

[X-Drake]

The conditions required state that he must only see Madara's Sharingan. He did. So why did it not continue attacking him?

There's also the issue of whose Mangekyou Sharingan it came from. If it was still Itachi's it would still come from his Mangekyou Sharingan. But Sasuke used it from his own and called it by name as he did so.
Yes he saw the sharingan, but maybe the mask is a cover.

Wait. Deidara, Kisame ect all looked at him. ITachi aswell. None of them saw the Sharingan. The mask must be special. Everyones thinking whats under his mask.

So the condition may be to take the mask of. Kakashi by luck saw it when there sharingans met and Tobi left.


So yh. And plus sasuke can use the jutsu as he pleases, but when the sharingan is seen it goes auto. Now he has his own it may not go to ITachi's

[Nikushimi]

Yes he saw the sharingan, but maybe the mask is a cover.

Wait. Deidara, Kisame ect all looked at him. ITachi aswell. None of them saw the Sharingan. The mask must be special. Everyones thinking whats under his mask.

So the condition may be to take the mask of. Kakashi by luck saw it when there sharingans met and Tobi left.

The mask is just a mask. Sometimes Tobi has Sharingan activated, sometimes he doesn't.

So yh. And plus sasuke can use the jutsu as he pleases, but when the sharingan is seen it goes auto. Now he has his own it may not go to ITachi's

Sasuke had his own Mangekyou Sharingan but the one that appeared was Itachi's. Sasuke saw Madara's Sharingan several times after that but nothing happened. When Sasuke used the technique on Hachibi, he deliberately did so, and called it by name.

[X-Drake]

True he may have it off.

Also show one part where sasuke saw it after. That convo sasuke was looking away the whole time. Sweating and feinting.

[Nikushimi]

Also show one part where sasuke saw it after. That convo sasuke was looking away the whole time. Sweating and feinting.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/12/

^This is the first example that comes to mind.

[X-Drake]

As Tobi said he kept secrets. So now we know he set it that it fires at tobi when his sharingan is seen then its sasuke's.

But maybe its only once, since Amaterasu needs to touch the person once and he never thought that he would escape.

[hyugaboy12]

I think naruto would win since if he goes ninetails mode all his wounds get healed, plus a demon is more powerful than a curse mark.

[WhiteFang]

So, the epic battle will apparently take place in the manga, yet again.

I feel Sage Naruto has it in him to beat Sasuke with his Mangekyou Sharingan.

Naruto is faster, stronger and all over much more versatile at this point. However, Sasuke's chance is with Amaterasu. The outcome will depend on whether or not Naruto can evade it or not. And I think Tajuu Kage Bunshin, and chakra sensing with Sage Mode, Naruto has a handy chance of doing that.

[Masterofdeath]

Yes it will be a very close battle, but we cannot forget to include the fact that Naruto would be very emotional in a battle with sasuke possibly allowing the release of the demon fox cloak which means doom for sasuke.

[D.I.Y Death]

Personally I refuse to comment until I see 2 things.

1) What gift did Itachi give Naruto?
2) What can Kyuubi+Sage Naruto do when mixed?

[Smiley]

We have the confirmation that Naruto > Sasuke from Zetsu now.

[D.I.Y Death]

We have the confirmation that Naruto > Sasuke from Zetsu now.

Which is the same idiot who told us Amaterasu was as hot as the sun which would ignite the atmosphere. Personally I don't believe anything Zetsu says until someone else who is actually reliable confirms it.

[Jubpawz]

Personally I think that they are equal in strength or very close to it.

First off, if Naruto uses Kyuubi, he would undoubtedly be stronger, but Naruto doesn't like to rely on Kyuubi. It takes the satisfaction out of the win. But the Kyuubi is triggered by emotions and I can bet the fight between them will be VERY emotional.

Naruto has his sage mode, and Sasuke has his Amaterasu. Sasuke has Chidori (and all the new versions of it) and Naruto has Rasengan and RasenShuriken. They haven't met and fought for so long that we really can't know who is faster or stronger. All we know is that they both have incredible amounts of power.

And not to mention...I agree with D.I.Y. Death. I want to know what gift Itachi gave Naruto.

[0ba]

imo, Sasuke's most powerful tech against Naruto's Tsukuyomi, not Amaterasu. btw, welcome to TN, n00b. :p

[hyugamaster]

2) What can Kyuubi+Sage Naruto do when mixed?

I'm not entirely sure, so don't hold me to it, but I thought the Kyuubi rejected Sage Chakra???

[0ba]

Nah, Kyuubi rejected Pa's attempt to fuse with him. i.e. sit on his shoulder and gather natural chakra for him. You can go and re-check the manga to be sure.

Kyuubi didn't reject sage chakra. There was a page where Naruto had both Kyuubi and Sage mode eyes when he met Nagato and Konan...

[vane]

I'm not entirely sure, so don't hold me to it, but I thought the Kyuubi rejected Sage Chakra???

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/07/

Notice the eyes? They seem to be a combination of the Frog eyes and the Fox eyes. Also Notice the darkness around Naruto's eyes meaning Sage Naruto and the feral lines under Narutos eyes like the lines but thicker meaning Kyuubi. This is the Kyuubi and Sage mixed.

[hyugamaster]

^^

Well I'm guessing the fight will be determined by plot no jutsu. Naruto will win or it will be a draw. Naruto is the main character and Sasuke is too important.

Actually, after thinking about it...I think Naruto will kill Sasuke by going 9 tails. I can't make a prediction after that...

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Well I'm guessing the fight will be determined by plot no jutsu. Naruto will win or it will be a draw. Naruto is the main character and Sasuke is too important.

Actually, after thinking about it...I think Naruto will kill Sasuke by going 9 tails. I can't make a prediction after that...

If Naruto goes 9 tails , Naruto will die and the Kyuubi will roam free again.
And the MS can control the 9 tails , wouldn't that mean Sasuke would have won :xd:

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To be honest.
Naruto wouldn't even need the Kyuubi in this battle.
He has sage mode, which to me would be more than enough to defeat Sasuke.