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BK-nin
09-16-2007, 03:39 AM
who do you think is the strongest of the konoha 11 right now in shippuden

majinsharingan
09-16-2007, 03:43 AM
No doubt Sasuke.
I'm sorry but it's true.
He overwhelmed Naruto.
His speed is faster than Lee's
He's too fast for Neji.

BK-nin
09-16-2007, 03:45 AM
No doubt Sasuke.
I'm sorry but it's true.
He overwhelmed Naruto.
His speed is faster than Lee's
He's too fast for Neji.i hate to admit but that's true

rjvcrisen
09-16-2007, 03:52 AM
dude sasuke is only as fast cuz he copied lees speed
and dont forget bout lees gates

BK-nin
09-16-2007, 03:54 AM
dude sasuke is only as fast cuz he copied lees speed
and dont forget bout lees gatesthe speed was all sasuke he couldn't copy that, what he probably can do is stop time and make it seem he's faster

rjvcrisen
09-16-2007, 03:56 AM
dude u didnt see the epispde when he first used chidori
kakashi said it he didnt gain dat speed by himself he gained
because of lee's speed

BK-nin
09-16-2007, 04:00 AM
dude u didnt see the epispde when he first used chidori
kakashi said it he didnt gain dat speed by himself he gained
because of lee's speedno, kakashi said he trained him in mostly taijutsu to naturally work on his speed, plus the sharingan gives the owner a speed boost

rjvcrisen
09-16-2007, 04:01 AM
speed boost? must i refer u the episode i think it would be best

BK-nin
09-16-2007, 04:02 AM
speed boost? must i refer u the episode i think it would be bestyes watch the episode again in english. muahahahaha

Kaeor
09-23-2007, 01:56 AM
Neji IMO. He has a great bloodline and defensive abilities.

hmvv
09-27-2007, 02:48 PM
i shulda been in the konoha 11... damn team always arguing >:(

naruhina_sakusasuke
09-27-2007, 02:56 PM
konoha 11...not 12? is someone missing or did someone get a 2-man team?

Xinobi
09-27-2007, 03:26 PM
Sasuke would make it 12 I think and he is no longer loyal to Konoha.

1. Shikamaru
2. Ino
3. Chouji
4. Naruto
5. Sakura
6. Neji
7. TenTen
8. Lee
9. Hinata
10. Shino
11. Kiba

naruhina_sakusasuke
09-27-2007, 03:32 PM
....huh....
but i still consider him to be of konoha...he did kill orochimaru and is attempting to kill akatsuki....2 of konoha's enemies

'the enemy of my enemy is...my friend'

Xinobi
09-27-2007, 03:33 PM
....huh....
but i still consider him to be of konoha...he did kill orochimaru and is attempting to kill akatsuki....2 of konoha's enemies

'the enemy of my enemy is...my friend'

True but he is no longer apart of Konoha.

naruhina_sakusasuke
09-27-2007, 03:35 PM
technically...neither is jiriaya, tamari, kankoru, gaara, and a lot of others...are they still 'not part of konoha?'

Xinobi
09-27-2007, 03:37 PM
Jiraiya is still part of Konoha. Where did you get that? Also Gaara, Temari and Kankorou are apart of the Sand Village. They are allies to Konoha. I am not following where you are going with this.

naruhina_sakusasuke
09-27-2007, 03:42 PM
where im going is...like i said...an enemy of my enemy is my friend....sasuke's group is not konoha's enemy...they are politically nuetral....but they can still be considered to be loyal to konoha cuz they are (konoha AND sasuke's group) trying to eliminate akatsuki and (was) orochimaru....they are considered allies......just like the sand, cux they all have the same enemies and are trying to eliminate them...at the same time as the others.


its not like they are years apart..(sand hates akatsuki in a different time period or something like that)

Xinobi
09-27-2007, 04:01 PM
Well that is a nice explanation however they are not considered in the Konoha 11. :)
That is the point I was making.
I was actually stating why Sasuke was not in the Konoha 11 and I named them off for you so you could know. He is no longer in Team Kakashi.

naruhina_sakusasuke
09-27-2007, 05:11 PM
oh..srry but i took it as you were saying that sasuke was now an enemy of konoha

Nagashi
09-27-2007, 05:39 PM
wouldn't sasuke be a missing nin?

i have no oppinion whos strongest as theres only been a few fights shown in detail (where you see the whole thing)

majinsharingan
09-27-2007, 05:51 PM
Right now Sasuke is an enemy of Konoha. Technically. I know he himself is neutral in that but in the other countries eyes, technically he is an enemy to Konoha.
He is a part of an kind of leader of the Sound Village. He has nearly killed another member of Konoha village. He knocked out Sakura. He pledged his allegiance to an enemy village
He's basically an enemy to Konoha

naruhina_sakusasuke
09-27-2007, 06:04 PM
his target for his whole life has been a known rogue ninja: itachi....
he killed orochimaru, and is now going after akatsuki.......ally acts as of now

>>>back then he knocked out sakura and ran away...back at the time of the last invasion


sand village is now an ally:
and they are going after akatsuki..tried but failed to kill orochimaru and killed sasori

>>>>back then they killed countless ninja, working with sound ninja, helped them kill sandaime, tried to destroy the village,etc.....
but now are konoha's allies....


the two stories sound familiar but what the sand did to konoha was way worse than what sasuke did....


to be on the safe side i hid this so you cant say i was spamming

also whose to say that sound isnt turning into an ally too...now that sasuke is the leader of the 'power' part of it...the part that was rosponsable for the whole invasion to begin with...whose to say that now that sasuke's the leader of that group theyre not gonna go after akatsuki too....one of the things that makes sand an ally to konoha....

naruhina_sakusasuke
09-27-2007, 06:06 PM
also whose to say that sound isnt turning into an ally too...now that sasuke is the leader of the 'power' part of it...the part that was rosponsable for the whole invasion to begin with...whose to say that now that sasuke's the leader of that group theyre not gonna go after akatsuki too....one of the things that makes sand an ally to konoha

majinsharingan
09-27-2007, 06:11 PM
Don't double post.
I totally didn't get what you said.
But Sasuke no question is the strongest in the Konoha 11.
And I just realized something.
There are 12 Konoha ninja(the main ones)
Sai's in that now.

naruhina_sakusasuke
09-27-2007, 06:18 PM
srry...didnt mean to double post

what i was saying is that sasuke's and the sand village's actione before and after the last invasion seem to be along the same lines...

and that if sasuke is doing the same thing as sand,...seeing as how he is now in charge of/disbanded the group that was making the decisions for sound village (orochimaru and his followers) they will follow him into battle with akatsuki...doing the same thing as sand village, which would make them nuetral at least, allies at most with sand/leaf village

majinsharingan
09-27-2007, 06:21 PM
Sasuke isn't allies with Konoha or Sand.
He said already he has severed those ties.
He is now the decision maker of the Sound Village.
And it's not the same as the sand thing at all.

Xinobi
09-27-2007, 06:36 PM
Don't double post.
I totally didn't get what you said.
But Sasuke no question is the strongest in the Konoha 11.
And I just realized something.
There are 12 Konoha ninja(the main ones)
Sai's in that now.

Sasuke is NOT in the Konoha 11. Just wanted to point that out.

majinsharingan
09-27-2007, 06:40 PM
Yeah I know but if he still was he would be strongest.
I say Naruto/Shikamaru/Neji.
I'm torn between those three.
Naruto would beat Neji.
Shikamaru would beat Naruto.
Neji and Shikamaru could go either way.

Xinobi
09-27-2007, 06:47 PM
Naruto would NOT beat Neji easily IF AT ALL!! If you mention the Rasengan penetrating the Kaiten then I really do not have any words for you. The only way I can see Naruto winning is if he has 2000 clones jump at Neji at the same time with a Rasengan in their hands and I really do not see that going very successfully.

majinsharingan
09-27-2007, 07:00 PM
You can't say that.
I also didn't say easily.
Naruto is at or past Kakashi's level.
Naruto already beat Neji once.
He didn't even go all out.
Neji did everything he could to beat Naruto.
Naruto didn't. He stuck with Taijutsu and clones the entire time.
He held his own against Itachi at half power.
He held his own very well against Sasuke in the last real Naruto arc and you know Sasuke was stornger than Neji.
Chakra points don't matter. Neji pushed everyone of them and he still beat Neji. And now Naruto's like 3 times stronger than he originally was.
No way he could lose to Neji now.

Xinobi
09-27-2007, 07:13 PM
You can't say that.
I also didn't say easily.
Naruto is at or past Kakashi's level.
Naruto already beat Neji once.
He didn't even go all out.
Neji did everything he could to beat Naruto.
Naruto didn't. He stuck with Taijutsu and clones the entire time.
He held his own against Itachi at half power.
He held his own very well against Sasuke in the last real Naruto arc and you know Sasuke was stornger than Neji.
Chakra points don't matter. Neji pushed everyone of them and he still beat Neji. And now Naruto's like 3 times stronger than he originally was.
No way he could lose to Neji now.

I can say that because it is true

You are taking what Kakashi said way too literally
Neji pushed Naruto to his limit. It was ONLY by the demon fox's chakra that he was able to even get back into the fight.
I doubt we saw the pinacle of what Neji could do
Naruto was doing everything he knew to fight, he didn't know anything else!!
WHEN in the WORLD did he hold his own against Itachi? If you say the Itachi clone you should be smacked with a smelly fish.
Sasuke whooped Naruto's ass even with the demon fox helping him. Especially when his sharingan matured.
I would hope that his chakra points would open up too if he had a demon fox helping him. Without the Kyuubi that would have been a wrap. If you deny that you are just naive.
And GEEZ, the only way Naruto won against Neji is because he was careless (he even stated that). His gaurd was down and the Byakugan was deactivated.

Summer.
09-27-2007, 08:11 PM
And GEEZ, the only way Naruto won against Neji is because he was careless (he even stated that). His gaurd was down and the Byakugan was deactivated.

actually neji barely walked after he and naruto plunged at the ground, while naruto had enough power to dug hole and won. and even after that he still had enough power to run around.
you underestimate naruto. more energy and strength still left to him than neji after plunge.

NejiTaker
09-27-2007, 11:48 PM
actually neji barely walked after he and naruto plunged at the ground, while naruto had enough power to dug hole and won. and even after that he still had enough power to run around.
you underestimate naruto. more energy and strength still left to him than neji after plunge.

That sorta ties in to Xinobi's point about Kyuubi doesn't it?

Xinobi
09-28-2007, 12:35 AM
That sorta ties in to Xinobi's point about Kyuubi doesn't it?

Preach it, Brother!

Summer.
09-28-2007, 09:15 AM
That sorta ties in to Xinobi's point about Kyuubi doesn't it?

that wasn't my point.
I want to say if these two would continue fight naruto would win. even if neji wasn't careless he couldn't defeat naruto (why I think that way I wrote in post above).

Xinobi
09-28-2007, 12:55 PM
that wasn't my point.
I want to say if these two would continue fight naruto would win. even if neji wasn't careless he couldn't defeat naruto (why I think that way I wrote in post above).

I will say again. Naruto was completely shut down. It does not matter how much chakra you have. If you are shut down then you are shut down. The only way Naruto got back into the fight was because of the power of the Kyuubi. Has anyone also forgot the demon brothers and Naruto's fight with Kiba and Akamaru? Naruto due to the Kyuubi heals at an alarming rate so it is very quite possible that when the Kyuubi opened back up the Chakra points it allowed Naruto's natural flow of chakra to return.

If Naruto did not have the power of the 9 tails he would have been shut down and the fight would have been over.

Also who does not understand the purpose of storylines? Masashi had to figure out a way to make Neji loose so he could do some sort of life lesson because evidently everyone Naruto beats up magically turns into a better person (cry me a freakin river). He wanted to make Neji loose and the only way he could do that was make Neji let his gaurd down and deactivate his Byakugan.

Also was I watching the same fight or did everyone just miss the part when Neji (he started this late mind you) repelled the demon fox's chakra? I am not saying that Neji could beat Naruto at KN1,2,3 or 4. However when they fought Masashi fixed that fight from the beginning. Did everyone also notice that Naruto did not lay a hand on Neji until the very last hit (and may I reiterate that Neji's gaurd was down and the Byakugan was deactivated).

I can not really make it anymore plainly than that.

Summer.
09-28-2007, 01:12 PM
yes, yes, I never said naruto would win without kyuubi's chakra.
but the fact is that he HAS that chakra and he was able to beat even neji.
and again: even if neji wasn't let his guard down and deactivate his byakugan naruto would still defeat him. and yes, because of kyuubi's chakra.
that's how it is.

Xinobi
09-28-2007, 01:19 PM
yes, yes, I never said naruto would win without kyuubi's chakra.
but the fact is that he HAS that chakra and he was able to beat even neji.
and again: even if neji wasn't let his guard down and deactivate his byakugan naruto would still defeat him. and yes, because of kyuubi's chakra.
that's how it is.

That is your opinion :)
So let us leave it at that. I just wanted you to see and understand my point.

Also here is something for you to consider. Naruto could not win against Sasuke at KN1. Sasuke fought KN1 Naruto with virtually no help from his curse mark until the very end.

He also could not defeat Orochimaru at KN4.

If he learns how to use the demon fox's chakra efficiently then I may change my answer.

Summer.
09-28-2007, 01:28 PM
I got your point.
and I agree naruto couldn't continue fighting without kyuubi.
and about sasuke and orochimaru... I guess naruto was weaker. but when he fought sasuke it was difference between them, cause sasuke didn't care if he would killed him. and we all know that is harder to just capture someone, than kill him.
I wonder who is stronger now, in shippuuden... naruto or sasuke? I think naruto will surpass sasuke as soon as he improve his fuuton rasen shuriken completely.

Xinobi
09-28-2007, 02:41 PM
I got your point.
and I agree naruto couldn't continue fighting without kyuubi.
and about sasuke and orochimaru... I guess naruto was weaker. but when he fought sasuke it was difference between them, cause sasuke didn't care if he would killed him. and we all know that is harder to just capture someone, than kill him.
I wonder who is stronger now, in shippuuden... naruto or sasuke? I think naruto will surpass sasuke as soon as he improve his fuuton rasen shuriken completely.

I guess but as of right now I do not think Naruto could hit anyone with advanced sight like Sasuke or Neji with that. The only way he would hit Sasuke with that is if it is another scenario where Sasuke is coming with a fully powered Chidori and Naruto is coming with a full powered FRS.

I will be really impressed if Naruto does it without the aid of clones.

Summer.
09-28-2007, 02:59 PM
I guess but as of right now I do not think Naruto could hit anyone with advanced sight like Sasuke or Neji with that. The only way he would hit Sasuke with that is if it is another scenario where Sasuke is coming with a fully powered Chidori and Naruto is coming with a full powered FRS.

I will be really impressed if Naruto does it without the aid of clones.

like you said, that's the only way he would hit sasuke. -for now.
BUT I'm sure rasen-shuriken has that name because it WILL be the real shuriken, which will fly around when naruto will complete it.
and also he needs to improve it because his hand was also hurt. he needs to suppres that.

Xinobi
09-28-2007, 06:37 PM
Anytime we do these debates we assume that both parties are fighting for win, no emotions or friendships involved.

I am looking forward until the day Naruto's greatness is realized. I am anxiously waiting to see it. Hopefully Masashi will stop dragging this immature state of Naruto out and a switch will flip and we will see a more solid, intelligent, stronger Naruto. Natural/Enhanced talent with no focus or Maturity is worthless. He just may very well be the strongest ninja in the village but strength is nothing without the ability to use it wisely and maturely. If you do not use strength with at least those 2 things then you may as well BE the weakest link even though you are naturally/enchancedly the strongest.

Yellow_Flash
10-11-2007, 11:14 AM
Shikamaru. he took down an akatsuki on his own.
and, sorry, for those of you who said sasuke... he was never part of the konoha 11.
the Konoha 11 is Shino Kiba Hinata Neji TenTen Lee Shikamaru Ino Chouji Sakura and Naruto (duh.)
WHY is he not part of the konoha 11? he left konoha.... he is part of Hebi.

majinsharingan
10-11-2007, 03:36 PM
We're all aware of that.
The strongest is a four way tie between Naurto Shino Shikamaru and Neji.

Gaara-Kozokage
10-11-2007, 05:19 PM
The strongest four are Shikamaru, Neji, Lee, Naruto

majinsharingan
10-11-2007, 05:48 PM
Shino's In there too.
Kiba preferred to fight Gaara over Shino.
Shino fights like Neji except Long Range.
Shino also beat someone of Jounin level(Kankuro).
We haven't seen much of Shino but he's definitly one of if not the strongest.

avenger
10-11-2007, 07:08 PM
ok lets stir up the pot some more.

Love Neji, and he has lots of potential..similar to Kakashi, one of the most skilled ninjas around. But, I don't see him at same level, As Naruto, Sasuke, and in some ways Shikamaru. Sasuke has taken out two bigs dogs.. Deidra (who beat Gara) and Orochimaru. He is no longer in the Konha, but as a former member I will include him in discussion. Shikamaru, has taken out a Akatsuki, one that could not be killed no less. so despite, not having raw power, or extraordinary skills, he is powerfully deadly. Naruto, yes is Kiba powered, but you really can't separate the two because, that would be like saying Sasuke or Neji can't use their bloodline traits because it gives them an unfair advantage. But Naruto is also going way beyond just having extra chakra, his level of control and his understanding of how to use his shadow clones is going up another level.as he showed in taking out Kakuzu. He may not be the strongest, but I would say there are very few that could handle a full out assault of Naruto's power and skill. He really is not as dumb as he looks. :p My vote has to go for Naruto as overall strongest..

Megaman123
10-11-2007, 07:29 PM
I think it'd be Naruto. I like him a lot. :D

Xinobi
10-11-2007, 07:42 PM
Wow...

He sure did stir up the pot. It is my opinion that they all are strong within their own rite.

Neji defeated one of the sound 4 all by himself as a genin. The only other person who could was Chouji and he has to use a pill. Neji used his own intellect and skill alone. The fact that he hasn't really been utilized to his full potential (I feel) is a travesty of justice. I think he should definitely be in the top 4/5 above some people. I would even go as far to say the top 3 at least.

Shikamaru...
His intellect is the only reason he would be at least even in the top 5 (on the low end I would say but that is my opinion). He only defeated Hidan because he got a real good look at his technique as Hidan was killing his sensei Asuma. Hey, it was vengance so ofcourse Kishimoto had to let Shikamaru get another crack at him. So basically you have Shikamaru who knew his technique and also fueled with vengance and had a LOT of prep time take down Hidan who got a look at his own technique but probably didn't really care. This next statement might strike a nerve but it is my opinion. If Hidan aimed for Shikamaru instead of Asuma then it would have been Asuma getting revenge because Shikamaru would have been dead as a door knob. I would also go as far as to say if Pein didn't call Hidan and Kakuzu back they all would have died a terrible death. Shikamaru also did not have the strength to keep Hidan out of his sacrifice circle so one of the strongest as far as skill? Debatable? One of the strongest as far as mental capacity? Definitely.

Sasuke is not in the Konoha 11 so I am not even going there.

Shino, he has won every match he has been in but Kankorou pushed him to his limits. Yeah I know he got poisoned but still. Every weapon a ninja uses doesn't make it cheap. Top 5 maybe, definitely not top 3 in my opinion

Naruto is coming along well. But until I see him solo someone all by himself that we all call a badass then I do not really give him that much credit yet. You know someday he is going to be number 1 because the damn series is called Naruto. I just do not see it yet.

This is my opinion though.

Megaman123
10-11-2007, 07:43 PM
Well jeez sorry. I just haven't seen how strong everyone is later in the Manga.

Xinobi
10-11-2007, 07:45 PM
Well jeez sorry. I just haven't seen how strong everyone is later in the Manga.

I wasn't talking to you. Sorry, I meant all that for Avenger. My bad. I didn't say it in a disrespectful way though.

ARKphoenix
10-11-2007, 08:01 PM
Gotta be Neji i reakon.

avenger
10-11-2007, 09:10 PM
The fire is lit, :p

Well you like pointing out what I already have said, Skikamaru is not the most powerful. but he is powerfully deadly. And he did take out a guy who was taking out whole squads.
The question of the thread is who is the strongest, not the best, I think Neji is a better all around ninja, I would want him on any squad that I formed, he is disciplined and can be depended on. But that does not make him the strongest.
Naruto however, (and yes the show is about him so he has the advantage), has continuously taken on higher ranked opponents. I don't even want to count the number of times he has faced off with chuunin, and Jounin level foes as a Genin. Naruto is not the best ninja, he is unpredictable often lets himself get beat to a pulp while figuring out a strategy. But he can take a beating like no one else, and he can unleash attacks on levels very few can rival.
But I will go so far as to number top 5 for strength
1. Naruto
2. Neji
3. Shikamru...power not strong.. but if your weak and can still take out more powerful..you got something going.
4. drunk Lee, with gates removed.
5. Shino

Not really sure on Lee but he is to likeable to leave out.

If I ranked who I thought was best all around ninja. tatics, skills, powers..total package,
Neji would be number one. He's got a bloodline trait, all his ninja skills are performed perfectly, he is intelligent, and very disciplined.

Yellow_Flash
10-11-2007, 09:15 PM
We're all aware of that.
The strongest is a four way tie between Naurto Shino Shikamaru and Neji.

I can say not ALL of you are aware because several of you said sasuke... and right now there is no tie.neji couldn't beat an akatsuki alone... a 30% strengthened clone of an akatsuki, by the way. Naruto couldn't beat Kakuzu, no matter how strong RasenShuriken was. and... Lee?? Comon, Lee sucks! he got beasted by that loser from the artisan village and Raiga! who didn't? Naruto... who sucks compared to Shikamaru. After all, brains is the most important part of skill.

majinsharingan
10-11-2007, 11:17 PM
But I will go so far as to number top 5 for strength
1. Naruto
2. Neji
3. Shikamru...power not strong.. but if your weak and can still take out more powerful..you got something going.
4. drunk Lee, with gates removed.
5. Shino

What the hell!
Drunk Lee! No Way!
And weak Shikamaru. You kidding me?
No way.
Drunk Lee didn't do sh*t against Kimimaru.
Weak Shikamaru didn't do sh*t period.
1. Naruto
1. Shikamaru
1. Neji
1. Shino
2. Lee

Those are the top fix. Arrange them any way you want but those are the top five, no sickness, no weird, sucky form, no alcohol.


I can say not ALL of you are aware because several of you said sasuke... and right now there is no tie.neji couldn't beat an akatsuki alone... a 30% strengthened clone of an akatsuki, by the way. Naruto couldn't beat Kakuzu, no matter how strong RasenShuriken was. and... Lee?? Comon, Lee sucks! he got beasted by that loser from the artisan village and Raiga! who didn't? Naruto... who sucks compared to Shikamaru. After all, brains is the most important part of skill.

Okay you, No no no.
You've obviously missed every single fight in this entire series.
Let's start off with Lee shall we?
Lee is 12. Lee is a loser. Lee cannot do any ninjutus or genjutsu. Lee is picked on because he is a loser. Lee can open the 8 sacred gates making him able to beat anyone. Lee is the second fastest person alive. Lee has the strength of a demon. But I see you you can say he sucks(sarcasim)

Neji now.
Kisame is the strongest in Akatsuki, he sucks chakra if you get to close, he knows every water jutsu known to man. 30% is too much for Gai. Gai is one of if not the strongest Jounin in the village.

Naruto.
You obviously don't know that Kakuzu had 9 hearts. One was taken out by Kakashi, so he had 8. Naruto's RasenShuikan managaed to make a GIANT hole in the ground and take out 7 hearts. THATS POWERFUL!!!!

Shikamaru lost to Tayuya. Temari made quick work of her. Shikamaru's Brian's didn't help him there. Don't say Hidan, just don't. His brains couldn't help him when his Sensei needed him. Huh? If he's so smart how come Asuma died? He could of helped him instead of standing their helpless.

You need to read up before shouting stuff like that :p

Xinobi
10-12-2007, 02:34 AM
The fire is lit, :p

Well you like pointing out what I already have said, Skikamaru is not the most powerful. but he is powerfully deadly. And he did take out a guy who was taking out whole squads.
The question of the thread is who is the strongest, not the best, I think Neji is a better all around ninja, I would want him on any squad that I formed, he is disciplined and can be depended on. But that does not make him the strongest.
Naruto however, (and yes the show is about him so he has the advantage), has continuously taken on higher ranked opponents. I don't even want to count the number of times he has faced off with chuunin, and Jounin level foes as a Genin. Naruto is not the best ninja, he is unpredictable often lets himself get beat to a pulp while figuring out a strategy. But he can take a beating like no one else, and he can unleash attacks on levels very few can rival.
But I will go so far as to number top 5 for strength
1. Naruto
2. Neji
3. Shikamru...power not strong.. but if your weak and can still take out more powerful..you got something going.
4. drunk Lee, with gates removed.
5. Shino

Not really sure on Lee but he is to likeable to leave out.

If I ranked who I thought was best all around ninja. tatics, skills, powers..total package,
Neji would be number one. He's got a bloodline trait, all his ninja skills are performed perfectly, he is intelligent, and very disciplined.

You have earned my respect. Join my debates anytime.

To the person who was speaking on Team Gai taking on Kisame. That was bound to be ackward. I doubt many of them aside from Gai had any real experience with a very capable water jutsu user. BUT who was the one who got the team out of the water prison? It was Neji Hyuuga baby. Besides, they were in no real danger but the second TenTen started to pass out Neji came in for the save. Besides, Gai is fighting, why not take a break and watch. I am being sarcastic ofcourse on that last part so don't take me seriously on that. Neji did save the rest of the team though.

Yellow_Flash
10-12-2007, 07:59 PM
Okay you, No no no.
You've obviously missed every single fight in this entire series.
Let's start off with Lee shall we?
Lee is 12. Lee is a loser. Lee cannot do any ninjutus or genjutsu. Lee is picked on because he is a loser. Lee can open the 8 sacred gates making him able to beat anyone. Lee is the second fastest person alive. Lee has the strength of a demon. But I see you you can say he sucks(sarcasim)

Neji now.
Kisame is the strongest in Akatsuki, he sucks chakra if you get to close, he knows every water jutsu known to man. 30% is too much for Gai. Gai is one of if not the strongest Jounin in the village.

Naruto.
You obviously don't know that Kakuzu had 9 hearts. One was taken out by Kakashi, so he had 8. Naruto's RasenShuikan managaed to make a GIANT hole in the ground and take out 7 hearts. THATS POWERFUL!!!!

Shikamaru lost to Tayuya. Temari made quick work of her. Shikamaru's Brian's didn't help him there. Don't say Hidan, just don't. His brains couldn't help him when his Sensei needed him. Huh? If he's so smart how come Asuma died? He could of helped him instead of standing their helpless.

You need to read up before shouting stuff like that :p

HEHEHE i find your argument funny.. kakuzu had FIVE hearts, Kakashi took out 3 i belive, one with the first Raikiri, one when that one mask attacked, and one at the end. Naruto took out TWO with rasenshuriken... Neji didnt even help at all against Kisame clone.... Lee, so far, has only won one fight, a fight which was not finished: him vs sasuke prior to the Chuunin exams. Shikamaru: okay, he lost ONCE. he won vs Temari, he simply did not want to go on, which he says. neji got owned 3 times, naruto far too many times, lee... don't make me count... and shino lost to kankuro because kankuro is a beast, making him second... btw, abotu no leaf shinobi being able to kill Kisame... Jarayia would have if not for itachi... with no effort at all... so learn your stuff before YOU make the argument =D

And i WILL bring up Hidan!! No one else has teh power to take out an akatsuki alone ccept sasuke and jarayia, and technically sasuke didnt kill deidara at all. tsunade lost to Orochimaru because she coldnt stop poor little kabuto... who in turn lost to itachi... who in turn got beasted by jarayia... so... Shikamaru's strength is better than even a sannin, for hidan escaped not...

Nagashi
10-12-2007, 08:15 PM
i think its hard to use victories for strength because all victories are plot devices

also whos to say that Fuuton: Rasengan Shuriken wouldnt out right kill kakuzu

straight up strength i think naruto is the strongest, but others can do better at times through intelligence and using the situation to there advantage

anyway just some opinions

Xinobi
10-12-2007, 09:43 PM
HEHEHE i find your argument funny.. kakuzu had FIVE hearts, Kakashi took out 3 i belive, one with the first Raikiri, one when that one mask attacked, and one at the end. Naruto took out TWO with rasenshuriken... Neji didnt even help at all against Kisame clone.... Lee, so far, has only won one fight, a fight which was not finished: him vs sasuke prior to the Chuunin exams. Shikamaru: okay, he lost ONCE. he won vs Temari, he simply did not want to go on, which he says. neji got owned 3 times, naruto far too many times, lee... don't make me count... and shino lost to kankuro because kankuro is a beast, making him second... btw, abotu no leaf shinobi being able to kill Kisame... Jarayia would have if not for itachi... with no effort at all... so learn your stuff before YOU make the argument =D

And i WILL bring up Hidan!! No one else has teh power to take out an akatsuki alone ccept sasuke and jarayia, and technically sasuke didnt kill deidara at all. tsunade lost to Orochimaru because she coldnt stop poor little kabuto... who in turn lost to itachi... who in turn got beasted by jarayia... so... Shikamaru's strength is better than even a sannin, for hidan escaped not...

Your logic is terribly flawed. If this is YOUR opinion then I will leave it be but if you are saying this is fact then I am going to poke holes in your "fact based" statement.

So which is it.

BK-nin
10-13-2007, 01:59 AM
neji is the best all around ninja but he can't beat naruto. and technically naruto always uses the kyuubi because he can turn it's chakra to his, so he has unlimited chakra. i'm pretty sure that in the manga shino was older than everyone, so that explains his skills. shikamaru can make up plans, but can he see these plans through. rock lee has a huge disadvantage but makes up for it with ridiculous speed and strength. hinata is just a kunoichi version of neji. ino can take over your mind and make you kill yourself and any thing sakura can do obviosly. tenten can rain down weapons such as kamas, katanas, kunai, fuuma shuriken, etc. kiba can turn into a giant two headed wolf (with akamaru whom is huge now) and urinate acid piss. sakura is a younger tsunade but she always finds some way of being usless when it comes to sasuke being around. chouji's trans fat gets added to his chakra and when he goes butterfly all the chakra that was stowed away just comes out in a way that he can't control it all. if you wanna add sasuke to the mix, right now he can beat naruto because the sharingan can supress kyubbi chakra, and this is just an observation but i think the kyuubi chakra can cancel out the grand fireball jutsu

majinsharingan
10-18-2007, 03:09 PM
HEHEHE i find your argument funny.. kakuzu had FIVE hearts, Kakashi took out 3 i belive, one with the first Raikiri, one when that one mask attacked, and one at the end. Naruto took out TWO with rasenshuriken... Neji didnt even help at all against Kisame clone.... Lee, so far, has only won one fight, a fight which was not finished: him vs sasuke prior to the Chuunin exams. Shikamaru: okay, he lost ONCE. he won vs Temari, he simply did not want to go on, which he says. neji got owned 3 times, naruto far too many times, lee... don't make me count... and shino lost to kankuro because kankuro is a beast, making him second... btw, abotu no leaf shinobi being able to kill Kisame... Jarayia would have if not for itachi... with no effort at all... so learn your stuff before YOU make the argument =D

And i WILL bring up Hidan!! No one else has teh power to take out an akatsuki alone ccept sasuke and jarayia, and technically sasuke didnt kill deidara at all. tsunade lost to Orochimaru because she coldnt stop poor little kabuto... who in turn lost to itachi... who in turn got beasted by jarayia... so... Shikamaru's strength is better than even a sannin, for hidan escaped not...

Victories say nothing fool.
Neji did help, he took on three at the same bloody time. That's 30% 30% 30% OH! 90%!
Kakuzu had five? Okay, well HOW MANY DO NORMAL HUMANS HAVE!!!!
Kakashi took out 2. Naruto took out three.
DO NORMAL HUMANS HAVE THREE HEARTS!
Lee was, he had mastered 5 of the 8 gates, no one has been able to do that, Kakashi wasn't able to do that. It's a godly technuique, that he learned...at the age of 12. Probably before that too.
Shikamaru isn't stronger than a sannin.
Your crazy.
You need to actually watch this series.
If shikamaru is stronger than a sannin, how come he had to have Temari rescue him? Huh? Is that a fluke?
Also Shikamaru beat Hidan cause it was all planned out. He knew all about Hidan's moves.

And that bold statement about me learning stuff before I argue. Pft, what more can i learn, I've read volumes 1-14 like 12 times, I've read all the chapters and seen all the shows. I know what I'm talking about. You on the other hand, don't.
Shino didn't lose.
He was poisoned.
It ended in a tie.
Kankuro was a jounin level ninja and Shino tied with him as a genin. Only...let's see...Lee...Naruto...and Sasuke have done that I believe.
Oh and btw. Lee can go all out against Gai and tie.
He doesn't suck.
Lee lost against Gaara, he held his own against Kimimaru but didn't really do anything. SO WHAT! That don't mean the kid sucks.
You obviously don't know sh*t on the characters other than their records....

thedespratesingleboy
10-21-2007, 06:06 PM
shikamaru with his new shadow thecnic

shinytoyguns
10-24-2007, 12:25 AM
Either Sasuke or Neji.

jiraiya_sama
10-24-2007, 12:57 AM
well all around it is neji hands down
now brute strength it is sakura

Xinobi
10-24-2007, 01:01 AM
Later on I am going to lay down my break down of who I think is strong.

Lolol2
10-25-2007, 12:38 AM
Naruto is the best, hands down.

You just haven't seen his full abilities yet ;)

Naruto beat neji, and for those of you who say "HE USED THE 9-tail" He barely used it...because his physical appeareance didn't even change, such as his eyes, and hands, and he didn't even have the kyubi cloak (Which I doubt some of you even know what that is)

Naruto only lost to sasuke because sasuke was at cursed seal LEVEL 2, and naruto had only 1 TAIL, if Naruto was fighting sasuke with 2 tails he would of knocked sasukes lights out in half a second. Plus, his arm was broken, therefore sasuke had the advantage when he did his chidori.

Naruto has the power of a hokage even though he is a genin.

Theres a reason why the series are called "Naruto."..............HES THE BEST.

KingTW
10-25-2007, 10:24 AM
Out of the Konoha 11, My Bias screams Naruto.

In all honesty though, I don't think we can REALLY answer this question quite yet, because we havn't seen all of the Konoha 11 fight in the shippuuden arc.

I think people we can count out are.

- Ino (she spotted akatsuki by going in2 a hawk, WOW!!! otherwise useless.)
- Chouji (we have seen him fight (in the manga) but he got slapped down by Kakuzu quite quickly.)
- Tenten (When we saw her fight, she hit her limit quicker than the others, had a hard time keeping up with Team Gai, and her weapon technique isn't exactly the most glorious thing in the Naruto world)
- Rock Lee (just repeating wut we alrdy kno on this guy. While he's extremely good with Taijutsu, he lacks the ability to do ninjutsu or genjutsu, so if his Taijutsu fails him... well, he get's rolled.)
- Sakura (almost didn't want to put her in here after her's and Chiyos fight against Sasori, but she's simply outshined to much by the other people (crap reason I kno) so I had 2 put her in here.)

Out of the other 6, I'd most likely put Hinata, Shino, and Kiba with the 5 people above, but this links to why I say that we can't really answer this question yet. We simply havn't seen them fight yet. For all we know, one of those 3 might have become SUPER POWERFUL (99.99999% sure that didn't happen) and totally own the other 10. Chances are, as I just stated, that this isn't the case, and since they aren't that special we could put them up with the other 5.

So if I was to give an answer even with the fact that we havn't seen all 11 of them fight. I'd have to say it's between Naruto, Neji, and Shikamaru.

Shikamaru - He's crazy smart, and always seems 2 be a step or 3 ahead of the fight, this helps him win a lot of the fights that he's in. He may not be the most powerful jutsu wise, but he's smart, so that's y I put Shikamaru with these 3.

Neji - Probably 1 of the better all around ninjas, has a crazy defence, is pretty damn smart, and has that Byakugan which helps quite a bit with both his offence and defence.

Naruto - Basically I put him here because all Naruto seems to do is gain strength all the time. He's always getting stronger, and developing his powers (though with the help of others). I mean cmon, he killed Kakuzu 2 times over and nearly a 3rd time (basically did, he was just hanging on). Naruto probably has the strongest jutsus out of the konoha 11. He'd probably be the strongest outright if he had a brain 2 match his power


In the end none the less, I still put it between Shikamaru, Neji, and Naruto when it comes to where we are in the manga (#375 right now). However, Naruto is getting stronger constantly, and he seems to be developing a good mind to go with it. So in the end, and very soon no doubt, that Naruto will be the strongest of the Konoha 11.

Summer.
10-25-2007, 01:48 PM
Out of the Konoha 11, My Bias screams Naruto.

In all honesty though, I don't think we can REALLY answer this question quite yet, because we havn't seen all of the Konoha 11 fight in the shippuuden arc.

I think people we can count out are.

- Ino (she spotted akatsuki by going in2 a hawk, WOW!!! otherwise useless.)
- Chouji (we have seen him fight (in the manga) but he got slapped down by Kakuzu quite quickly.)
- Tenten (When we saw her fight, she hit her limit quicker than the others, had a hard time keeping up with Team Gai, and her weapon technique isn't exactly the most glorious thing in the Naruto world)
- Rock Lee (just repeating wut we alrdy kno on this guy. While he's extremely good with Taijutsu, he lacks the ability to do ninjutsu or genjutsu, so if his Taijutsu fails him... well, he get's rolled.)
- Sakura (almost didn't want to put her in here after her's and Chiyos fight against Sasori, but she's simply outshined to much by the other people (crap reason I kno) so I had 2 put her in here.)

Out of the other 6, I'd most likely put Hinata, Shino, and Kiba with the 5 people above, but this links to why I say that we can't really answer this question yet. We simply havn't seen them fight yet. For all we know, one of those 3 might have become SUPER POWERFUL (99.99999% sure that didn't happen) and totally own the other 10. Chances are, as I just stated, that this isn't the case, and since they aren't that special we could put them up with the other 5.

So if I was to give an answer even with the fact that we havn't seen all 11 of them fight. I'd have to say it's between Naruto, Neji, and Shikamaru.

Shikamaru - He's crazy smart, and always seems 2 be a step or 3 ahead of the fight, this helps him win a lot of the fights that he's in. He may not be the most powerful jutsu wise, but he's smart, so that's y I put Shikamaru with these 3.

Neji - Probably 1 of the better all around ninjas, has a crazy defence, is pretty damn smart, and has that Byakugan which helps quite a bit with both his offence and defence.

Naruto - Basically I put him here because all Naruto seems to do is gain strength all the time. He's always getting stronger, and developing his powers (though with the help of others). I mean cmon, he killed Kakuzu 2 times over and nearly a 3rd time (basically did, he was just hanging on). Naruto probably has the strongest jutsus out of the konoha 11. He'd probably be the strongest outright if he had a brain 2 match his power


In the end none the less, I still put it between Shikamaru, Neji, and Naruto when it comes to where we are in the manga (#375 right now). However, Naruto is getting stronger constantly, and he seems to be developing a good mind to go with it. So in the end, and very soon no doubt, that Naruto will be the strongest of the Konoha 11.

agree with every single statement! O.O
that's rare for me though...

Xinobi
10-25-2007, 03:16 PM
Out of the Konoha 11, My Bias screams Naruto.

In all honesty though, I don't think we can REALLY answer this question quite yet, because we havn't seen all of the Konoha 11 fight in the shippuuden arc.

I think people we can count out are.

- Ino (she spotted akatsuki by going in2 a hawk, WOW!!! otherwise useless.)
- Chouji (we have seen him fight (in the manga) but he got slapped down by Kakuzu quite quickly.)
- Tenten (When we saw her fight, she hit her limit quicker than the others, had a hard time keeping up with Team Gai, and her weapon technique isn't exactly the most glorious thing in the Naruto world)
- Rock Lee (just repeating wut we alrdy kno on this guy. While he's extremely good with Taijutsu, he lacks the ability to do ninjutsu or genjutsu, so if his Taijutsu fails him... well, he get's rolled.)
- Sakura (almost didn't want to put her in here after her's and Chiyos fight against Sasori, but she's simply outshined to much by the other people (crap reason I kno) so I had 2 put her in here.)

Out of the other 6, I'd most likely put Hinata, Shino, and Kiba with the 5 people above, but this links to why I say that we can't really answer this question yet. We simply havn't seen them fight yet. For all we know, one of those 3 might have become SUPER POWERFUL (99.99999% sure that didn't happen) and totally own the other 10. Chances are, as I just stated, that this isn't the case, and since they aren't that special we could put them up with the other 5.

So if I was to give an answer even with the fact that we havn't seen all 11 of them fight. I'd have to say it's between Naruto, Neji, and Shikamaru.

Shikamaru - He's crazy smart, and always seems 2 be a step or 3 ahead of the fight, this helps him win a lot of the fights that he's in. He may not be the most powerful jutsu wise, but he's smart, so that's y I put Shikamaru with these 3.

Neji - Probably 1 of the better all around ninjas, has a crazy defence, is pretty damn smart, and has that Byakugan which helps quite a bit with both his offence and defence.

Naruto - Basically I put him here because all Naruto seems to do is gain strength all the time. He's always getting stronger, and developing his powers (though with the help of others). I mean cmon, he killed Kakuzu 2 times over and nearly a 3rd time (basically did, he was just hanging on). Naruto probably has the strongest jutsus out of the konoha 11. He'd probably be the strongest outright if he had a brain 2 match his power


In the end none the less, I still put it between Shikamaru, Neji, and Naruto when it comes to where we are in the manga (#375 right now). However, Naruto is getting stronger constantly, and he seems to be developing a good mind to go with it. So in the end, and very soon no doubt, that Naruto will be the strongest of the Konoha 11.

I agree with most of the points you made. With your last statement you know he is capable of being the strongest but when is that going to exactly happen. Right now a good number (maybe not the majority) feel that Naruto only wins his battles because of the power of the Kyuubi. I also feel that way. However if he is able to become one with the demon fox and HIS personality is the most dominant and he matures greatly along with his intelligence then I will acknowledge his true greatness. Even if you all think he good already I feel if the damn series is NAMED "Naruto" then he needs to be continuously busting heads. If he faced Sasuke now I am not confident he would win.

I do not play with cards I think I will get in the future. I play with the hand I currently have. The Naruto we see currently is just not ready.

Summer.
10-25-2007, 03:28 PM
I agree with most of the points you made. With your last statement you know he is capable of being the strongest but when is that going to exactly happen. Right now a good number (maybe not the majority) feel that Naruto only wins his battles because of the power of the Kyuubi. I also feel that way. However if he is able to become one with the demon fox and HIS personality is the most dominant and he matures greatly along with his intelligence then I will acknowledge his true greatness. Even if you all think he good already I feel if the damn series is NAMED "Naruto" then he needs to be continuously busting heads. If he faced Sasuke now I am not confident he would win.

I do not play with cards I think I will get in the future. I play with the hand I currently have. The Naruto we see currently is just not ready.

WAIT!!!!!!!!
naruto already know jutsu that even yondaime wasn't capable to complete it. -but naruto did!
and WITHOUT kyuubi's power (remember: yamato control it, and vanished it as soon as it leaked out). he has all that chakra by himself. it's not kyuubi's. IF he would learn how to control it he would have even more of it.
he's using kyuubi's chakra only when his eyes become red or when he ask for it. when he trained fuuton rasenshuriken he didn't do that. he learned the most powerful, destructive and amazing jutsu all by himslef, with his own powers.

Xinobi
10-25-2007, 03:41 PM
WAIT!!!!!!!!
naruto already know jutsu that even yondaime wasn't capable to complete it. -but naruto did!
and WITHOUT kyuubi's power (remember: yamato control it, and vanished it as soon as it leaked out). he has all that chakra by himself. it's not kyuubi's. IF he would learn how to control it he would have even more of it.
he's using kyuubi's chakra only when his eyes become red or when he ask for it. when he trained fuuton rasenshuriken he didn't do that. he learned the most powerful, destructive and amazing jutsu all by himslef, with his own powers.

But he is still stupid, hot headed, and immature.

Summer.
10-25-2007, 03:48 PM
But he is still stupid, hot headed, and immature.
he's NOT stupid!!!!!
and he's WAY more mature than he was before...
I completely agree only with hot headed...

Xinobi
10-25-2007, 03:59 PM
he's NOT stupid!!!!!
and he's WAY more mature than he was before...
I completely agree only with hot headed...

Hot headed stems from stupidity and immaturity.

Summer.
10-25-2007, 04:06 PM
Hot headed stems from stupidity and immaturity.

that's not true!



naruto still beat neji. -who is consider to be much smarter... just to annoy you :o :o :o

majinsharingan
10-25-2007, 04:22 PM
well all around it is neji hands down
now brute strength it is sakura

Sakura!
Sakura!
You seemed to have been not noticing Naruto, Shikamaru, and Shino.

Naruto is the strongest out of them because one he's the main character two, you know the other reason.

I stand by what I said, I think Shino is the second strongest.
He fights like Neji and Kisame but long range. His bugs eat away at chakra and close combat will be your down fall, you saw his fight with Kankuro.
If he wasn't poisioned i could of said he whooped his ass but I can't.

Shikamaru and Neji is a tie. This arguement is getting too old for me. Let's just say their equal kay Xinobi?



Either Sasuke or Neji.


Sasuke isn't in the Konoha 11.

Xinobi
10-25-2007, 05:19 PM
Shikamaru and Neji is a tie. This arguement is getting too old for me. Let's just say their equal kay Xinobi?


HELL NO!!
:)

that's not true!



naruto still beat neji. -who is consider to be much smarter... just to annoy you

/power noogie @ Summer

majinsharingan
10-25-2007, 05:22 PM
HELL NO!!
:)

xDDD
But seriously, let's just say their equal. Cause really they are pretty much equal.

Xinobi
10-25-2007, 05:25 PM
Absolutely not. I will go to my grave with that. Nothing you can say to make me think other wise. Just not going to happen. The only person who made me even come close to accepting it was Kakuzu and he is gone.

You are good but you aren't that damn good :)

majinsharingan
10-25-2007, 05:31 PM
Absolutely not. I will go to my grave with that. Nothing you can say to make me think other wise. Just not going to happen. The only person who made me even come close to accepting it was Kakuzu and he is gone.

You are good but you aren't that damn good :)

lol i know.

let's just agree to disagree on this one.

Xinobi
10-25-2007, 05:44 PM
NEVER!!! We aren't done. We are never done. YOU KNOW YOU LOVE IT!

majinsharingan
10-25-2007, 05:46 PM
No this arguement has gotten too old for me.
There's never ending evidence to show one over the other and vice versa.
We'd just be repeating the same thing again, until I see more from Neji or Shikamaru, I'm going with their equal.

Xinobi
10-25-2007, 06:36 PM
You can think what you want. It doesn't make it true :)

KingTW
10-25-2007, 09:29 PM
But he is still stupid, hot headed, and immature.

- He WAS stupid. Haha those 1st Naruto episodes were a pain watching him with how dumb he was, actually it was a pain watching how stupid he'd be throughout the whole naruto arc up until shipuudden. Now however, he's gotten a bit more smart, which I think is proven in his fight against Kakuzu. He sends his clones in as fodder and then tries 2 think out a strategy, when that strategy just fails (thank god Kakashi and co. were there to get him out of that), instead of just charging in like our old friend from the original series would, he immediately thinks of another way to take him down.

- I guess he is immature in 1 way, which is his hot-headed tendencies. I'll surrender that part to you xD.

Ido
10-26-2007, 02:05 AM
Sasuke the peace of.......
It's true, seems like Sasuke is the perfect ninja.

Also, Neji won't be able to defeat Sasuke. For a reason. because
Neji is not faster then Sasuke, 2. Sasuke can use Chidori.

Neji: 1. He can't defeat Sasuke 2. Neji lost to Naruto. and Neji had more Chakara than Naruto that time.

3. Sasuke and Naruto had the same amount of chakara. 4. Sasuke defeated Naruto.

KingTW
10-26-2007, 02:28 AM
Sasuke the peace of.......
It's true, seems like Sasuke is the perfect ninja.

Also, Neji won't be able to defeat Sasuke. For a reason. because
Neji is not faster then Sasuke, 2. Sasuke can use Chidori.

Neji: 1. He can't defeat Sasuke 2. Neji lost to Naruto. and Neji had more Chakara than Naruto that time.

3. Sasuke and Naruto had the same amount of chakara. 4. Sasuke defeated Naruto.

Yes, right now where we r at in the manga, at #375, Sasuke would most likely beat Naruto. However:

1. So many people have alrdy said this in this topic... SASUKE IS NOT IN THE KONOHA 11!!!!!

2. Later on Naruto will probably b able to take Sasuke, because he'll keep getting better and better as the series goes on. That's all Naruto has been doing. Plus there's the fact that Xinobi has alrdy brought up, the series is NAMED NARUTO, he will get stronger.

Ido
10-26-2007, 02:36 AM
Whatever.....Sasuke was in the Kohona 11.....But he abbandon his village -.-

That still counts that he's a Kohona 11 right....?

Xinobi
10-26-2007, 02:37 AM
Sasuke the peace of.......
It's true, seems like Sasuke is the perfect ninja.

Also, Neji won't be able to defeat Sasuke. For a reason. because
Neji is not faster then Sasuke, 2. Sasuke can use Chidori.

Neji: 1. He can't defeat Sasuke 2. Neji lost to Naruto. and Neji had more Chakara than Naruto that time.

3. Sasuke and Naruto had the same amount of chakara. 4. Sasuke defeated Naruto.

Part of me wants to respond to this but the majority of me really does not have the energy to get into a debate about this right now, especially when a majority of this post is based on opinion.

2. Neji lost to Naruto.

This statement is the only statement that is unfortunately true. Why it is true is a different reason all together.

If that is the meat and potatoes of what you are basing your argument on then I will elect to just let you have your opinion and leave it alone :)

KingTW
10-26-2007, 02:39 AM
He'd make it the Konoha 12:

1. Naruto
2. Sakura
3. Neji
4. Lee
5. Tenten
6. Shikamaru
7. Ino (useless)
8. Chouji
9. Hinata
10. Kiba
11. Shino

Ido
10-26-2007, 02:46 AM
What....Then....but....Sasuke was in Kakashi's Ninja Squad...

So Sasuke was in the Kohona 11

But the only reason why he's probaly NOT in the Kohona 11 is because he Abbandon his village?

Plus you have a point there TW.

Xinobi
10-26-2007, 02:54 AM
I really want to post my true thoughts but it would piss a lot of people off and I would get flamed to high heaven. LOL

Ido
10-26-2007, 02:55 AM
Lol, and how would it..lol

KingTW
10-26-2007, 03:07 AM
Konoha 11 was made after Sasuke left. If Sasuke hadn't left, we wouldn't be referring to it as the Konoha 11.

Summer.
10-26-2007, 01:22 PM
I really want to post my true thoughts but it would piss a lot of people off and I would get flamed to high heaven. LOL

keep your thoughts for yourself, I don't want to get a noogie again xDDDDD
and I don't want to argue about that anymore, cause we agree to disagree, right? :D

Xinobi
10-26-2007, 01:31 PM
keep your thoughts for yourself, I don't want to get a noogie again xDDDDD
and I don't want to argue about that anymore, cause we agree to disagree, right? :D

You know I gotta do it now... :)

Summer.
10-26-2007, 01:38 PM
You know I gotta do it now... :)

what!!??
discussing again? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! xDDD
cause I will say the same thing as last time we were debating xDDD
and then I will get noogie. and I don't want it =P

Xinobi
10-26-2007, 03:00 PM
Ok,

I just want everyone to know that if you disagree with me that is fine but this is my opinion and it is not likely to change. Before you get all mad and start flaming me, just realize that this IS my opinion.

In my opinion I will be talking about ALL 13 just to give my perspective. I am going to go in order to who I think is the strongest and why I feel that way. I will also start with the weakest...

12. Ino - She has not shown herself to be a strong ninja. However she did realize her weakness and sought out to get training from Tsunade. She could be much stronger now but I only deal with the cards I am dealt and what I have seen. She would be a good ninja in doing her mind confusion technique on enemy ninjas in a concentrated area or doing the mind transfer technique in gathering intel but that is all I see her being useful for. Her taijutsu and ninjutsu isn't all that great. Also her Kekkei Genkai isn't what I would call the most resourceful offensive move. She is definitely a team player but in no ways the strongest

11. Chouji - He is strong physically and his expansion jutsu is resourceful but as we have seen people can some what easily counter it. His trump card which is the pills he takes, while resourceful, could very well kill him. What is a trump card when you can not use it multiple times on the threat of death.

10. TenTen - She has pin point accuracy. She has 1000s of weapons in her arsenal. However I think someone like Lee or Sasuke or some other lightening fast ninja could disable her fairly quickly. Her taijutsu doesn't seen overly impressive but her ranged moved are fantastic, but also in the same breath they would prove useless to an explosive wind user like temari. Definitely one of my favorites but she needs to step her game up on taijutsu.

9. Hinata - I think she has the potential to be very strong, she is a Byakugan user, but I think her confidence is still a big issue. She has the potential to rival Neji if she trained for that. As of right now I do not think she has arrived at that point. When she does she will be leaps and bounds more powerful than a LOT of people.

8. Kiba - I see him still as the hot headed guy we knew back in the regular series but much more intelligent than Naruto currently. I do feel that if something was to happen to Akamaru then Kiba would not be as effective.

7. Sakura - She is an excellent Medical-nin. She took on Sasori with the help of Elder Chiyo. I do not really see anything wrong with her. She just does not have a Kekkei Genkai to put her over the top. She would definitely be vulnerable to someone with a kick ass kekkei genkai technique.

6. Lee - Lee I feel is very powerful. He has iron will. Without his ankle weights then he is nearly untraceable to the normal human, untrained eye. With the gates opened he is truely a force to be recogned with. However, if he does open them and it does not work, the results will come at a big price.

These last guys I feel are about even as of right now. They have showed the most promise.

Shikamaru - He is super intelligent. He definitely knows all about tactics. He knows how to run a team and he will be an excellent sensei some day. He has come a long ways and is a very confident ninja. However his chakra supply isn't big enough for him to quite close a deal, especially against a powerful foe he knows nothing about.

Shino - This guy is defintely a force to be recogned with. He is very dangerous. With his bugs as a major factor I think he would be a match for anyone who crosses his path.

Sasuke - He is driven by rage, sorrow, and vengence. He has took over Orochimaru (basically reversed the body transfer) so I am not sure if that means he HAS Orochimaru's power but he can perform some of the same jutsus Orochimaru can do (as in summon manda, probably a feat in itself). It is unknown if he can counter the MS or not but I doubt many people in the Naruto series would be an even match for him. Even before he could control the Curse Mark fully he defeated the 1 tail. 3 years later he may be able to do a whole lot more.

Neji - By far my favorite character in the Naruto series. He has trained his Byakugan to not only see the Chakra circulatory system but to also see the tenketsu (chakra points allowing chakra to flow throughout the body). He has learned techniques that were known only to the main branch family merely by training himself. He is the only one of the Konoha 11 that is a jounin. In 3 years time he reached that. I would venture to say that title isn't just given out like candy. I know that the majority loves the sharingan and they think "Sasuke is so cool and the sharingan looks so cool". I choose to go against the grain, not with the flow. Neji's resume is proven, tried and true. Yeah, I know he "lost" to Naruto but after that he vowed to never loose again. He has kept that promise.

Sai - Mystery man... He has shown to be very resourceful and powerful himself. Though he is no Sasuke, he is very strong. If not then he would not be a secret operative for Root. You think you get that way by being just ok or just being "good"? I would venture to say you got to BE one of the BEST to even think about going that route.

Naruto - He is a contradiction in himself. He is able to perform an S level jutsu. But all through the series we have seen him run into situations and get the crap beat out of him. I guess in that fashion he is a believable character "Believe it". I guess now you do see him becoming more mature. The only thing that turned me right back off was when Itachi simply wanted to "talk" and in true Naruto fashion he charges in and gets caught in what seemed to be an illusion (Not sure if it was or not). I am sitting there saying to myself "you idiot, see what he has to say". It isn't like Itachi has the reputation of being a liar (even though I do not think he is responsible for the massacre of his clan, well solely responsible). Instead of charging and screaming he wants Sasuke back, assess the situation. He isn't coming back until he settles things with Itachi, just accept it. Let them fight it out, then address it if he is still alive. Things will NEVER be the same again.
Anyway I do feel that when he is mature enough and he masters that key jutsu in controling the Kyuubi's chakra in any tailed form then he will be a supreme force to be recogned with. Until then, if he is fighting against someone who knows how to supress the Kyuubi's chakra he will always be strong but not the strongest. The potential is there WITH the Kyuubi but not without it.

Summer.
10-26-2007, 04:35 PM
and here is just my opinion :)

@xinobi
I agree in most of things you said and disagree in few of them :o

firstly: why the heck did you put the word 'lost' into inverted commas? he lost, face it.
and secondly: you said that naruto has no potential without kyuubi (or I just get it wrong, cause my english isn't so good xD)? he has GREAT potential. HE has enough chakra for THOUSAND kage-bunshins, while normal person has enough chakra for 2, maybe 3 of them. he developed the most fearful, destructive, amazing and unreal jutsu all by himself. even the strongest ninja till now (minato) couldn't do it.
he also learn to use rasengan in a little more than ONE week. and to remind you: the only people who can/could perform it are jiraiya, kakashi, minato (they're all one of the strongest and respected ninja ever) and now naruto.
he was capable to do all that WITHOUT kyuubi.
I can't believe that anyone can say he's without potential if there would be no kyuubi inside of him...

I know you won't agree, and I accept that, everyone has right to their own opinion :)

Xinobi
10-26-2007, 04:53 PM
I agree to disagree. You know if you really acknowledged the stuff I said you could see how I could be right instead of writing it off but... I accept that.

All I am saying is sometimes reasons are deeper than what they seen to be.

Summer.
10-26-2007, 04:57 PM
I agree to disagree. You know if you really acknowledged the stuff I said you could see how I could be right instead of writing it off but... I accept that.

All I am saying is sometimes reasons are deeper than what they seen to be.

I acknowledged all your stuff. I really did.
but I just don't get it... I don't understand how naruto could be weak without kyuubi, cause all I said earlier about his jutsus and chakra were nothing but the facts...
I just have kinda feeling you're the one who don't understand my point...

majinsharingan
10-26-2007, 05:09 PM
Ok,

I just want everyone to know that if you disagree with me that is fine but this is my opinion and it is not likely to change. Before you get all mad and start flaming me, just realize that this IS my opinion.

In my opinion I will be talking about ALL 13 just to give my perspective. I am going to go in order to who I think is the strongest and why I feel that way. I will also start with the weakest...

12. Ino - She has not shown herself to be a strong ninja. However she did realize her weakness and sought out to get training from Tsunade. She could be much stronger now but I only deal with the cards I am dealt and what I have seen. She would be a good ninja in doing her mind confusion technique on enemy ninjas in a concentrated area or doing the mind transfer technique in gathering intel but that is all I see her being useful for. Her taijutsu and ninjutsu isn't all that great. Also her Kekkei Genkai isn't what I would call the most resourceful offensive move. She is definitely a team player but in no ways the strongest

11. Chouji - He is strong physically and his expansion jutsu is resourceful but as we have seen people can some what easily counter it. His trump card which is the pills he takes, while resourceful, could very well kill him. What is a trump card when you can not use it multiple times on the threat of death.

10. TenTen - She has pin point accuracy. She has 1000s of weapons in her arsenal. However I think someone like Lee or Sasuke or some other lightening fast ninja could disable her fairly quickly. Her taijutsu doesn't seen overly impressive but her ranged moved are fantastic, but also in the same breath they would prove useless to an explosive wind user like temari. Definitely one of my favorites but she needs to step her game up on taijutsu.

9. Hinata - I think she has the potential to be very strong, she is a Byakugan user, but I think her confidence is still a big issue. She has the potential to rival Neji if she trained for that. As of right now I do not think she has arrived at that point. When she does she will be leaps and bounds more powerful than a LOT of people.

8. Kiba - I see him still as the hot headed guy we knew back in the regular series but much more intelligent than Naruto currently. I do feel that if something was to happen to Akamaru then Kiba would not be as effective.

7. Sakura - She is an excellent Medical-nin. She took on Sasori with the help of Elder Chiyo. I do not really see anything wrong with her. She just does not have a Kekkei Genkai to put her over the top. She would definitely be vulnerable to someone with a kick ass kekkei genkai technique.

6. Lee - Lee I feel is very powerful. He has iron will. Without his ankle weights then he is nearly untraceable to the normal human, untrained eye. With the gates opened he is truely a force to be recogned with. However, if he does open them and it does not work, the results will come at a big price.

These last guys I feel are about even as of right now. They have showed the most promise.

Shikamaru - He is super intelligent. He definitely knows all about tactics. He knows how to run a team and he will be an excellent sensei some day. He has come a long ways and is a very confident ninja. However his chakra supply isn't big enough for him to quite close a deal, especially against a powerful foe he knows nothing about.

Shino - This guy is defintely a force to be recogned with. He is very dangerous. With his bugs as a major factor I think he would be a match for anyone who crosses his path.

Sasuke - He is driven by rage, sorrow, and vengence. He has took over Orochimaru (basically reversed the body transfer) so I am not sure if that means he HAS Orochimaru's power but he can perform some of the same jutsus Orochimaru can do (as in summon manda, probably a feat in itself). It is unknown if he can counter the MS or not but I doubt many people in the Naruto series would be an even match for him. Even before he could control the Curse Mark fully he defeated the 1 tail. 3 years later he may be able to do a whole lot more.

Neji - By far my favorite character in the Naruto series. He has trained his Byakugan to not only see the Chakra circulatory system but to also see the tenketsu (chakra points allowing chakra to flow throughout the body). He has learned techniques that were known only to the main branch family merely by training himself. He is the only one of the Konoha 11 that is a jounin. In 3 years time he reached that. I would venture to say that title isn't just given out like candy. I know that the majority loves the sharingan and they think "Sasuke is so cool and the sharingan looks so cool". I choose to go against the grain, not with the flow. Neji's resume is proven, tried and true. Yeah, I know he "lost" to Naruto but after that he vowed to never loose again. He has kept that promise.

Sai - Mystery man... He has shown to be very resourceful and powerful himself. Though he is no Sasuke, he is very strong. If not then he would not be a secret operative for Root. You think you get that way by being just ok or just being "good"? I would venture to say you got to BE one of the BEST to even think about going that route.

Naruto - He is a contradiction in himself. He is able to perform an S level jutsu. But all through the series we have seen him run into situations and get the crap beat out of him. I guess in that fashion he is a believable character "Believe it". I guess now you do see him becoming more mature. The only thing that turned me right back off was when Itachi simply wanted to "talk" and in true Naruto fashion he charges in and gets caught in what seemed to be an illusion (Not sure if it was or not). I am sitting there saying to myself "you idiot, see what he has to say". It isn't like Itachi has the reputation of being a liar (even though I do not think he is responsible for the massacre of his clan, well solely responsible). Instead of charging and screaming he wants Sasuke back, assess the situation. He isn't coming back until he settles things with Itachi, just accept it. Let them fight it out, then address it if he is still alive. Things will NEVER be the same again.
Anyway I do feel that when he is mature enough and he masters that key jutsu in controling the Kyuubi's chakra in any tailed form then he will be a supreme force to be recogned with. Until then, if he is fighting against someone who knows how to supress the Kyuubi's chakra he will always be strong but not the strongest. The potential is there WITH the Kyuubi but not without it.

agreeed with everything you just said except Sai, Sai makes Konoha 12. We're talking about the 11.

Xinobi
10-26-2007, 07:01 PM
I acknowledged all your stuff. I really did.
but I just don't get it... I don't understand how naruto could be weak without kyuubi, cause all I said earlier about his jutsus and chakra were nothing but the facts...
I just have kinda feeling you're the one who don't understand my point...

No because I said he would still be strong, but not as strong and definitely not the strongest.

Majin... just shut up and read my post again, especially the top. Whether you like it or not, he is now apart of the crew.

Summer.
10-26-2007, 07:58 PM
No because I said he would still be strong, but not as strong and definitely not the strongest.


just before I'm going (won't be back till monday. bring out some interesting theories and disussions while I'm gone^^):

ok ok I get it now and I respect it.


see ya :naruyawn:

Zikau
10-27-2007, 04:59 AM
i hate to admit but that's true

Agreed...

iRob
10-27-2007, 08:00 AM
i agree totally on what xinobi said about the konoha 11/12 its all pretty much fact on what was said and done a great evaluation on all the main characters

majinsharingan
10-27-2007, 06:34 PM
No because I said he would still be strong, but not as strong and definitely not the strongest.

Majin... just shut up and read my post again, especially the top. Whether you like it or not, he is now apart of the crew.

Your right thank you.

Sasuke is definitly the strongest out of all of them.
Shouldn't be behind Neji, Sai, or Naruto.
Other than that and Chouji i still agree.

Cinaed Delaney
10-27-2007, 07:00 PM
the only thing i disagree with is Shino. He got a scene where he got angry at Naruto, and that was it. I wont say that he is strong untill he does battle with a member of Akatuski, that would be a good match-up with him.

Xinobi
10-28-2007, 10:51 AM
Your right thank you.

Sasuke is definitly the strongest out of all of them.
Shouldn't be behind Neji, Sai, or Naruto.
Other than that and Chouji i still agree.

That is your "OPINION". I posted mine. I am not changing it :)

The good thing about opinions is I do not have to defend it any further than I already have :)

majinsharingan
10-29-2007, 01:07 PM
the only thing i disagree with is Shino. He got a scene where he got angry at Naruto, and that was it. I wont say that he is strong untill he does battle with a member of Akatuski, that would be a good match-up with him.


Kankuro, jounin level ninja from the Hidden Sand Village. He was trained not to lose like Temari and Gaara. If it weren't for the poision I would of said Shino owned Kankuro, but he was poisoned so he didn't.



Zaku, jounin level ninja from the Hidden Sound Village, who beat Lee, Sakura, Ino, and Chouji all around the same time. Sasuke came in an beat him in about 5 minutes, with the curse seal. Shino came in a few days later...and beat him in about 2.

Kiba, said that, knowing Shino the most, said that the only two people he would never ever want to fight is Gaara and Shino.

Shino fights like Gaara, Kisame and Neji. He has an incredible defense, good taijutsu, millions, maybe billions of bugs at his arsenel that suck the victim's chakra.

He is definitly up there.

@Jay And fine, we'll say it's opinion then.

naruhina_sakusasuke
10-29-2007, 01:09 PM
i vote sasuke cuz he was the one who beat orochimaru

here are my reasons:
naruto cant beat orochimaru..but sasuke did
sakura can beat ino, choji, and kiba
shikamaru can beat his team, lee's team (except for maybe neji) and shino
neji cant beat naruto and neither can shikamaru...and that was before naruto learned all those extra skills from jiraya.

so in my opinion the order goes:
sasuke>naruto>shikamaru>/=neji>shino>lee>sakura>choji>kiba>ten ten>ino.

Xinobi
10-29-2007, 01:14 PM
Kankuro, jounin level ninja from the Hidden Sand Village. He was trained not to lose like Temari and Gaara. If it weren't for the poision I would of said Shino owned Kankuro, but he was poisoned so he didn't.



Zaku, jounin level ninja from the Hidden Sound Village, who beat Lee, Sakura, Ino, and Chouji all around the same time. Sasuke came in an beat him in about 5 minutes, with the curse seal. Shino came in a few days later...and beat him in about 2.

Kiba, said that, knowing Shino the most, said that the only two people he would never ever want to fight is Gaara and Shino.

Shino fights like Gaara, Kisame and Neji. He has an incredible defense, good taijutsu, millions, maybe billions of bugs at his arsenel that suck the victim's chakra.

He is definitly up there.

@Jay And fine, we'll say it's opinion then.

You actually remembered my name /applause
I can not for the life of me remember yours though. I gotta go look at the name thread.

Where was it said that Zaku was a jounin though? I remember him being a Sound Genin.

majinsharingan
10-29-2007, 01:16 PM
You actually remembered my name /applause
I can not for the life of me remember yours though. I gotta go look at the name thread.

Where was it said that Zaku was a jounin though? I remember him being a Sound Genin.

He was i'm not sure why i put that.
He was a chuunin level my bad.

Xinobi
10-29-2007, 01:19 PM
He was i'm not sure why i put that.
He was a chuunin level my bad.

Was was in at the chunin exams. He got spanked by Shino, SOUNDLY SPANKED. I would hardly call that chunin level

naruhina_sakusasuke
10-29-2007, 01:23 PM
lol..i dont know why you are putting zaku into the argument..that was way back and things change..drastically..
take naruto for example...>>>
before exams..cant beat anyone except for maybe sakura and ino
after exams...could possible beat sasukeand possibly kakashi(his comment himself) and CAN beat everyone else...

majinsharingan
10-29-2007, 01:37 PM
lol..i dont know why you are putting zaku into the argument..that was way back and things change..drastically..
take naruto for example...>>>
before exams..cant beat anyone except for maybe sakura and ino
after exams...could possible beat sasukeand possibly kakashi(his comment himself) and CAN beat everyone else...

Uh-uh.
No way.
Before the exams, let's see he beat Haku, and bested a high level jounin.
After the exams, let's see, he beat Gaara, and that's it.
After the exams is totally different than Shippuden.



Was was in at the chunin exams. He got spanked by Shino, SOUNDLY SPANKED. I would hardly call that chunin level

yeah i don't think so either but Orochimaru chose him as one of his spies.
I doubt he would pick a weakling or normal level person.

naruhina_sakusasuke
10-29-2007, 01:55 PM
Uh-uh.
No way.
Before the exams, let's see he beat Haku, and bested a high level jounin.
After the exams, let's see, he beat Gaara, and that's it.
After the exams is totally different than Shippuden.


yeah i don't think so either but Orochimaru chose him as one of his spies.
I doubt he would pick a weakling or normal level person.

the thread is asking for the strongest of the konoha 11..not overall.
so that rules out haku and gaara.
out of the konoha 11...right now at this moment..he is about level with sasuke..without his kyuubi..and, as kakashi says, a higher level than even him. so out of the 11, saske and naruto is the strongest.

majinsharingan
10-29-2007, 02:05 PM
the thread is asking for the strongest of the konoha 11..not overall.
so that rules out haku and gaara.
out of the konoha 11...right now at this moment..he is about level with sasuke..without his kyuubi..and, as kakashi says, a higher level than even him. so out of the 11, saske and naruto is the strongest.

This is in subbed I just realized my bad.
Also Naruto is the strongest.
Sasuke isn't in the Konoha 11

Xinobi
10-29-2007, 02:30 PM
This is in subbed I just realized my bad.
Also Naruto is the strongest.
Sasuke isn't in the Konoha 11

WITH the Kyuubi power ONLY, Naruto is the strongest. Without it we would definitely have a different outcome.

majinsharingan
10-29-2007, 02:37 PM
Yeah, i still say it's a tie between
Naruto
Shino
Neji
and Shikamaru.

But if we're talking about extra unholy power then Lee is the strongest.
He opens all 8 gates no one be stopping him.

Summer.
10-29-2007, 02:39 PM
WITH the Kyuubi power ONLY, Naruto is the strongest. Without it we would definitely have a different outcome.

that's not true xD
but I don't want to start discussion about that again xDDD

naruhina_sakusasuke
10-29-2007, 03:39 PM
i still think naruto would win against all of them...neji can shino...tie btwn neji and shikamaru..and naruto can totally whoop shikamaru and neju..without the kyuubi...
*remember..in the exams he beat neji...back then he didnt have the 3 diff. forms of the rasengan and he couldnt think as well as he can now(even sakura noticed it)*

majinsharingan
10-29-2007, 03:43 PM
i still think naruto would win against all of them...neji can shino...tie btwn neji and shikamaru..and naruto can totally whoop shikamaru and neju..without the kyuubi...
*remember..in the exams he beat neji...back then he didnt have the 3 diff. forms of the rasengan and he couldnt think as well as he can now(even sakura noticed it)*

1. It's two different forms of Rasengan.
2. Shikamaru is too smart for Naruto.
3. I don't think Naruto would beat Neji now.
4. Naruto is indeed the strongest.
5. Shino definitly would not lose to Neji.

naruhina_sakusasuke
10-29-2007, 04:55 PM
1. It's two different forms of Rasengan.
2. Shikamaru is too smart for Naruto.
3. I don't think Naruto would beat Neji now.
4. Naruto is indeed the strongest.
5. Shino definitly would not lose to Neji.

1. 3 types...regular, osama, and futon: rasen shurikan
2.yes, but naruto makes up for it in combat skills and determination to win
3.i think he would...yeah neji improved but naruto has improved way more than neji has...both in knowledge of how to fight and his skills/type of fighting
4. yes
5. no comment..my opinion was from the way shino fought just after the exams vs how neji fought just after the exams.


no, i am not counting sasuke in this; though i think he still should be included in this cuz he is still from konoha, and naruto, sakura, and a few others (minor characters) still think they can get him back

BK-nin
11-01-2007, 01:05 AM
2.yes, but naruto makes up for it in combat skills and determination to win
3.i think he would...yeah neji improved but naruto has improved way more than neji has...both in knowledge of how to fight and his skills/type of fighting that and naruto would be way to fast for shikamaru to fight, in fact he would probably give up. and he can still beat neji no question

naruhina_sakusasuke
11-01-2007, 11:32 AM
lol...i bet shikamaru wouldnt be too happy about giving up, and neji would prolly say 'stay away from hinata!'
lol

Incendiary
11-02-2007, 08:52 PM
Majinsharingan, I am curious,


Shikamaru would beat Naruto.

3. I don't think Naruto would beat Neji now.


Why do you say that?
For some reason I've always thought Naruto would beat them both.
Wouldn't he outdo everyone in the Kyuubi form, like, effortlessly? Neji's kaiton etc is worthless infront of the Nine-tails, while Shikamaru has less chakra and stamina.

Jyuuichidaime
11-02-2007, 08:58 PM
If you think about it, Shino is probably the most powerful.

If we're talking of power, you can't include the Kyuubi no Youko in the equation for Naruto. It's not his power. It's the Kyuubi's.

Shino is strong, both in Tai- and Ninjutsu, as well as intelligent and probably the second-best tactician (can't beat Nara Shikamaru). His bugs have a perfect chance against people and can resist against fire techniques - which most people would expect to be strong against them. He won his fight in the Chuunin exams without getting hurt, not a tiny bit. As well as this he's cool as sin.

Naruto is too much of a diehard to win, the only reason he does is because he's too pig-headed to give up and die, like any decent human being.

majinsharingan
11-02-2007, 09:02 PM
Majinsharingan, I am curious,



Why do you say that?
For some reason I've always thought Naruto would beat them both.
Wouldn't he outdo everyone in the Kyuubi form, like, effortlessly? Neji's kaiton etc is worthless infront of the Nine-tails, while Shikamaru has less chakra and stamina.

Kyuubi isn't his power, so no.
Shikamaru would outsmart Naruto.
Neji is quicker, smarter and has more technuiques than before.

and Jyuu has a point.
Shino is one of the most powerful, definitly.
Also his bugs suck chakra, i think you forgot that.

Incendiary
11-02-2007, 09:34 PM
Oooh, well if we're talking about no-Kyuubi fights, Naruto would be, well, worthless against subbed Neji, Shino, and Shikamaru. :D He'd even lose to Neji when they first faught in the chuunin exam.

bookwormaholic
11-04-2007, 09:45 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm a true believer in Naruto. He has never fully manifested the power of the nine-tailed fox, and he has stubborn determination up the wazoo. No matter how much he gets beat, Naruto will always prevail in the end.

http://img.freeforumzone.it/upload/494529_Sign_Kakashi.jpg

KingTW
11-05-2007, 12:01 AM
I'm sorry, but I'm a true believer in Naruto. He has never fully manifested the power of the nine-tailed fox, and he has stubborn determination up the wazoo. No matter how much he gets beat, Naruto will always prevail in the end.

http://img.freeforumzone.it/upload/494529_Sign_Kakashi.jpg

Amen to that

I put my opinion down way back somewhere in the thread, but I think you bring up a good point.
Naruto has a sick stamina, and always takes 1 hell of a beating, and he always seems to come back and win the fight, we've seen it throughout the series, I mean, how many times has Naruto had the crap kicked out of him, and still come back 2 get the win.

Kawa
11-11-2007, 06:36 AM
Technically Neji's the strongest, considering he's the only one who actually reached Jounin during the time skip. Naruto isn't that strong, considering Sasuke beat him.
Plus Neji's naturally talented, he's just been kept on a short leash most of his life :P

archea
11-11-2007, 07:23 AM
naruto is the strongest fact

kyuubi makes that fact

bookwormaholic
11-11-2007, 10:21 AM
Rank as a ninja does not show how strong you are. Naruto would already be a chunin, if not higher, if it hadn't been for certain circumstances: such as the chunin exam being interupted by orochimaru, as well as naruto being gone for several years. Other ninja just don't want to be bothered with taking the jounin exam. It doesn't mean that they're not strong.
http://img.freeforumzone.it/upload/494529_Sign_Kakashi.jpg

KingTW
11-12-2007, 06:14 AM
Technically Neji's the strongest, considering he's the only one who actually reached Jounin during the time skip. Naruto isn't that strong, considering Sasuke beat him.
Plus Neji's naturally talented, he's just been kept on a short leash most of his life :P

COUGH, o and Neji would kick the crap out of Sasuke.
Also, as bookwormaholic said, rank doesn't mean ur powerful, perfect example, Sakura is chuunin, and naruto is genin, you can't tell me sakura can beat naruto. As I just said, Naruto is strongest, cuz he can take a huge beating, get back up, and keep fighting.

Also, let's look at their fights with the clones of itachi and Kisame.

Neji - spent most of his time sitting in a technique of kisame's watching Gai fight him 1 on 1, before he finally said, O HEY, I GUESS I SHOULD GET OUT OF THIS. In the end it was Gai who mainly killed off the clone.

Naruto - started the fight in a genjutsu, instead of sitting back watching and waiting, he remembers his training and immediately sets out 2 break the genjutsu. We go through all the steps, and eventually Sakura and Chiyo help him break the genjutsu. After that, Himself and Kakashi BOTH double team Itachi quite effectively and due to good teamwork, eventually finish off the Itachi clone.

Not only that, but I think we can agree Itachi is stronger than Kisame. So Naruto also had the harder person to fight than Neji, yet look who was more useful.

N e ways, cya next weekend, I'll check the responses then and reply accordingly, as I'm not around til then.

Raikiri Uchiha
11-13-2007, 10:33 PM
Sasuke is the strongest. Sorry to all the Naruto fans out there but Sasuke is stronger than the rest of the Konoha 11 atm. All he has done is trained nonstop with Orochimaru. No one else has shown that commitment, other than Naruto. But do you think the Pervy-sage would really train as much as Orochi?

NejiTaker
11-13-2007, 11:13 PM
Sasuke is the strongest. Sorry to all the Naruto fans out there but Sasuke is stronger than the rest of the Konoha 11 atm. All he has done is trained nonstop with Orochimaru. No one else has shown that commitment, other than Naruto. But do you think the Pervy-sage would really train as much as Orochi?

He's not even in Konoha anymore...jeez.

Raikiri Uchiha
11-13-2007, 11:15 PM
I hate to break it to you, but at one time he was. Hard to believe I know, but he was part of the Konoha 11, thus earning him a spot here.

majinsharingan
11-13-2007, 11:29 PM
I hate to break it to you, but at one time he was. Hard to believe I know, but he was part of the Konoha 11, thus earning him a spot here.

Wow.
Your even worse at math than me.
3 times 4 = 12.
Minus 1 = 11.
Sasuke left.
He's no longer in the Konoha 12.
Thus making it the Konoha 11.

NejiTaker
11-13-2007, 11:30 PM
I hate to break it to you, but at one time he was. Hard to believe I know, but he was part of the Konoha 11, thus earning him a spot here.

Yes, but you're talking about when he was training under Orochimaru. He's not part of the Konoha anymore. If you were talking about when he was part of Konoha, then Neji would take that spot.

Edit: What Majinsharingan said too. Lol.

Raikiri Uchiha
11-13-2007, 11:37 PM
Wow...I was totally outsmarted O_o Well, sorry if I was making people mad. Wow I feel retarded lol Ok then....I guess I would pick Naruto to be the strongest.

majinsharingan
11-13-2007, 11:50 PM
Wow...I was totally outsmarted O_o Well, sorry if I was making people mad. Wow I feel retarded lol Ok then....I guess I would pick Naruto to be the strongest.

Don't feel bad, it doesn't happen much for me xD.


Tie between Naruto, Shino, Shikamaru, and Neji.

Tsukiko
11-14-2007, 02:10 AM
I think Naruto or Neji. Sakura is pretty strong too.

BK-nin
11-14-2007, 10:46 PM
sakura iz definately the weakest

majinsharingan
11-14-2007, 10:55 PM
No she's not.
Ino then Chouji then Tenten then Hinata then Sakura.

BK-nin
11-14-2007, 11:50 PM
No she's not.
Ino then Chouji then Tenten then Hinata then Sakura. sakura isn't that fast to dodge tenten's barrage of weapons, hinata iz female neji, and chouji iz more badazz than all those 3 combined

Tsukiko
11-15-2007, 12:05 AM
Yeah, Sakura isnt the weak. Like manjin said...Ino probably is. But Chou...I think..he may be stronger than Tenten.

majinsharingan
11-15-2007, 01:38 AM
sakura isn't that fast to dodge tenten's barrage of weapons, hinata iz female neji, and chouji iz more badazz than all those 3 combined

She's very good at dodging.
Hinata is not a female neji.
Chouji is more FATass than all of them, not BADass.

iRob
11-15-2007, 02:55 AM
choji is pretty fat lol thats funny but in seriousness he dose have that abilty to make his arm big and hit people with it and turn into a ball and thats about it he aint really to strong

NiGhTwInG
11-15-2007, 10:30 AM
the strongest in konha is naruto without a shadow of a doubt

Hidden leaf nin
11-16-2007, 12:08 AM
i say the strongest is shikamaru he always finds a way if he fails

BK-nin
11-16-2007, 12:27 AM
Yeah, Sakura isnt the weak. Like manjin said...Ino probably is. But Chou...I think..he may be stronger than Tenten. ino could make sakura kill herself if she wanted to.

She's very good at dodging.
Hinata is not a female neji.
Chouji is more FATass than all of them, not BADass. did you not see chouji fight jiroubou. if that wasn't awesome i dont know what iz. and hinata can do whatever neji can do and them some, it's just that she's too soft and timid. and i didn't see sakura dodging sasori's attacks by herself, chiyo was helping.

choji is pretty fat lol thats funny but in seriousness he dose have that abilty to make his arm big and hit people with it and turn into a ball and thats about it he aint really to strong shikamaru even said he chouji was stronger than f-ing neji and that he would high-tail it if he had to fight him. he almost killed himself on purpose, and he was only 12 he didn't feel the embrace of a woman's body yet. how dare you he's weak this is madness

NejiTaker
11-16-2007, 12:33 AM
He meant Choji was physically stronger. Which really doesn't account for much in the shinobi world. Not that much anyway. :rolleyes:

majinsharingan
11-16-2007, 12:47 AM
ino could make sakura kill herself if she wanted to.

did you not see chouji fight jiroubou. if that wasn't awesome i dont know what iz. and hinata can do whatever neji can do and them some, it's just that she's too soft and timid. and i didn't see sakura dodging sasori's attacks by herself, chiyo was helping.

shikamaru even said he chouji was stronger than f-ing neji and that he would high-tail it if he had to fight him. he almost killed himself on purpose, and he was only 12 he didn't feel the embrace of a woman's body yet. how dare you he's weak this is madness

Ino can make anyone kill themselves OH! SHE'S the strongest! Don't give me that crap if your trying to put up a good argument. I'm in a bad mood, so prepareth, to be owndeth.

1. Sakura.
She beat Sasori almost on her own, she managed to dodge an impossible technique. She is incredibly smart and can has an inner strength that can beat Ino's Mind Jutsu, and outer strength that can match Chouji's. Chiyo did help a little bit but Sakura still managed to do a lot on her own.
Her strength beat pure metal. She is definitly not one of the weakest, get over it, your obviously just hate Sakura.

2. I did see Chouji's fight with Jirobou, you which part, where he was getting he ass handed to him, shoved down his throat and turned inside out and put back on his ass? Or the part where he owned Jirobou with one punch because of a sacred and unholy power that nearly killed him? Yeah I saw that.

3. Hinata can't do what Neji can when have you ONCE seen her use the 64 Palms, 128 Palms, Kaiten, or the Chakra Shots? NEVER, Thank you.

4. Shikamaru was trying to make his friend feel better, a soldier says to another soldier what? Your gonna die? NO! Your gonna be fine, wether the soldier lives or dies is up to fate, NOT on a person's words.

BK-nin
11-16-2007, 01:42 AM
Ino can make anyone kill themselves OH! SHE'S the strongest! Don't give me that crap if your trying to put up a good argument. I'm in a bad mood, so prepareth, to be owndeth.

1. Sakura.
She beat Sasori almost on her own, she managed to dodge an impossible technique. She is incredibly smart and can has an inner strength that can beat Ino's Mind Jutsu, and outer strength that can match Chouji's. Chiyo did help a little bit but Sakura still managed to do a lot on her own.
Her strength beat pure metal. She is definitly not one of the weakest, get over it, your obviously just hate Sakura.

2. I did see Chouji's fight with Jirobou, you which part, where he was getting he ass handed to him, shoved down his throat and turned inside out and put back on his ass? Or the part where he owned Jirobou with one punch because of a sacred and unholy power that nearly killed him? Yeah I saw that.

3. Hinata can't do what Neji can when have you ONCE seen her use the 64 Palms, 128 Palms, Kaiten, or the Chakra Shots? NEVER, Thank you.

4. Shikamaru was trying to make his friend feel better, a soldier says to another soldier what? Your gonna die? NO! Your gonna be fine, wether the soldier lives or dies is up to fate, NOT on a person's words.

1) ur right i do just hate sakura, a lot. but ino trained with tsunade at the end of naruto. and you act like you never saw ino try that

2) the part were chouji almosts kills himself

3) episode 149

4) why would he call him the strongest when chouji wasn't around

majinsharingan
11-16-2007, 01:51 AM
1) ur right i do just hate sakura, a lot. but ino trained with tsunade at the end of naruto. and you act like you never saw ino try that

2) the part were chouji almosts kills himself

3) episode 149

4) why would he call him the strongest when chouji wasn't around


1. Sakura was trained by Tsunade for THREE YEARS! Ino was trained by Tsunade for THREE WEEKS!. Sakura beats Ino no question.

2. Yes, thank you. That wasn't him, that was the pills. While that still remains very strong, he nearly dies a minute later.

3. Thank you again, Episode 149 my friend is a....is a what? is A FILLER. DOESNT MATTER IN THE REAL STORY! DOESNT COUNT. IS NOT PART OF NARUTO. Because it was not drawn in the manga. So even Kishimoto, didn't write that, that was another writers doing.

4. He's not the strongest though. Get over it, he's not. He's sticking up for his best friend, and being nice. If a friend is being bullied, do you sit there and let them put that person down? No, you stick up for them. Neji, Naruto, Shino, Shikamaru, Sasuke, Sakura. Kiba. I just named all the ninja that could beat Chouji that were once on the Konoha 12.

Shika - Knows everything about Chouji's techniques, like Hidan, they go DOWN.

Naruto - I don't need an explination.

Neji - Kaiten beats the rolling thing.

Shino - Chouji doesn't have too big of a chakra supply.

Sasuke - Cause he's stronger than the rest and Chidori would pierce the Baikai no Jutsu.

Kiba - Because Gatsuuga is stronger than the Baikai no Jutsu.

Sakura - Because he can dodge, she is smart, she can beat him overall.

BK-nin
11-17-2007, 03:35 AM
why am i talking about chouji, this is the strongest, not middleman.

KingTW
11-17-2007, 05:00 AM
ino could make sakura kill herself if she wanted to.

did you not see chouji fight jiroubou. if that wasn't awesome i dont know what iz. and hinata can do whatever neji can do and them some, it's just that she's too soft and timid. and i didn't see sakura dodging sasori's attacks by herself, chiyo was helping.


No she couldn't, we found that out WAAAAAY back in the chuunin exam arc, Sakura's inner self is to powerful to be taken over by ino.

also, yes sakura was dodging thanks to chiyo AT THE START! Later on she caught on2 his moves and dodged on his own.

Tsukiko
11-17-2007, 02:40 PM
ino could make sakura kill herself if she wanted to.


Yeah...I know. But, Sakura was able to power over her Mind Shadow Tech. during the Chuunin Exams.

And Sakura can be smart enough to avoid the jutsu anyways.

majinsharingan
11-17-2007, 06:08 PM
Yes exactly, thank you.

BK-nin
11-18-2007, 10:21 PM
No she couldn't, we found that out WAAAAAY back in the chuunin exam arc, Sakura's inner self is to powerful to be taken over by ino.

also, yes sakura was dodging thanks to chiyo AT THE START! Later on she caught on2 his moves and dodged on his own. she learned that move after naruto's fight with sasuke

majinsharingan
11-19-2007, 12:45 PM
she learned that move after naruto's fight with sasuke

No she didnt

BK-nin
11-19-2007, 11:22 PM
she used it when mizuki came back

majinsharingan
11-20-2007, 03:00 AM
she used it when mizuki came back

No she didn't. That didn't happen. Look in the manga, you see it happen? It didn't happen.

bookwormaholic
11-20-2007, 05:48 AM
Not to be picky or anything, but just because it wasn't in the manga, doesn't mean it doesn't count. I mean, come on, we are in the subtitled forum, which, if I'm not mistaken, only counts for the anime. Unless they are subtitling manga now? Also, even though he's not part of the "11" kakashi can still whoop some pretty good ass!
http://img.freeforumzone.it/upload/494529_Sign_Kakashi.jpg

KingTW
11-20-2007, 06:11 AM
Not to be picky or anything, but just because it wasn't in the manga, doesn't mean it doesn't count. I mean, come on, we are in the subtitled forum, which, if I'm not mistaken, only counts for the anime. Unless they are subtitling manga now? Also, even though he's not part of the "11" kakashi can still whoop some pretty good ass!
http://img.freeforumzone.it/upload/494529_Sign_Kakashi.jpg

Ya, Kakashi can still whoop ass, except we're talking about the Konoha 11 here, not the Konoha 11 with guest of honor Kakashi xD.

majinsharingan
11-20-2007, 03:37 PM
Not to be picky or anything, but just because it wasn't in the manga, doesn't mean it doesn't count. I mean, come on, we are in the subtitled forum, which, if I'm not mistaken, only counts for the anime. Unless they are subtitling manga now? Also, even though he's not part of the "11" kakashi can still whoop some pretty good ass!
http://img.freeforumzone.it/upload/494529_Sign_Kakashi.jpg

No it means it doesn't count.
Because it never happened.
That was not by Kishimoto.
So your saying anything Naruto counts?
No, it doesn't.
Only the things that actually happened count.

bookwormaholic
11-23-2007, 08:00 PM
Of course it counts. Anything Naruto counts, especially since you are posting in the SUBTITLED forum. The whole point of these things are to create dialogue and sharing between fellow naruto fans. If you limit yourself to only one media, then you are cutting yourself off from a vast resource of entertainment and information. So lets all just get along, and in the spirit of thanksgiving, respect each other's points of view, and move on.
http://img.freeforumzone.it/upload/494529_Sign_Kakashi.jpg

shikamaru
11-23-2007, 08:24 PM
i'm getting real tired of people constantly
talking about the manga
alot of us dont read manga so please dont talk about it here.
talk about it in the manga sections.
cause honestly i dont care about the manga.
and i dont want to read everyoe bicker about it all the time.

and now for my "vote"
i think neji is the most powerful of the younger ninja.
shikamaru is the smartest out of the younger ninja.
jiryaya is the most powerful from the older
and
kakashi is the smartest out of the older.

Sasori[RedSand]
11-24-2007, 01:48 PM
LOL Majin its funny how you say that zaku is jounin level ninja cause his not.
That would be mean he is at same level as asuma,gai,kurenai or kakashi and his not even close to them.Each of this 4 jounins would take him down in one shot.

majinsharingan
11-24-2007, 09:40 PM
Of course it counts. Anything Naruto counts, especially since you are posting in the SUBTITLED forum. The whole point of these things are to create dialogue and sharing between fellow naruto fans. If you limit yourself to only one media, then you are cutting yourself off from a vast resource of entertainment and information. So lets all just get along, and in the spirit of thanksgiving, respect each other's points of view, and move on.
http://img.freeforumzone.it/upload/494529_Sign_Kakashi.jpg

I'm not limiting myself.
I watch all three versions.
But it's based off the manga.
Masashi Kishimoto is in charge of what happens.
I could careless if someone else does something becuase it's not the original.
Masashi Kishimoto was working on the manga when they made those fillers.
It did not happen in the manga.
Therefore it doens't count.
While this is in subtitled, this couldn't be more stupid, because if your basing it off the fillers then your wrong.
Crazy stuff happens in the fillers.
They have them set off from the storyline in subtitled, which means it's being written by someone else, to give Kishimoto time to write more.

@Shikamaru

This is the Konoha 11.
Made up of(from strongest to weakest)
Naruto. Neji. Shikamaru. Shino.
Lee.
Kiba.
Sakura.
Chouji.
Hinata.
Tenten.
Ino.

Those four at the top are the strongest.


@Sasori - Gai, Asuma, Kurenei and Kakashi are the highest level jounin, the top four jounin of the village. Zaku, Dosu and Kin, were chosen by Orochimaru, they wouldn't of been normal level ninja. They were high chuunin or low jounin.

Riku
11-28-2007, 02:57 AM
I think that Neji would be the strongest of the Konoha 11. If not Neji, then it would have to be Naruto.

Smiley
11-28-2007, 11:01 AM
Sasuke can't be the strongest in Konoha .. because he isn't in Konoha village anymore.
Then I guess it's Naruto.

majinsharingan
11-28-2007, 05:07 PM
Naruto isn't the strongest in Konoha.

But the konoha 11 is a tie.
Naruto Shikamaru Neji Shino

BK-nin
11-28-2007, 10:58 PM
Naruto isn't the strongest in Konoha.

But the konoha 11 is a tie.
Naruto Shikamaru Neji Shino i heard that in the manga shino was 14 when it started, if that iz the case, shino iz just bunz.

majinsharingan
11-28-2007, 11:05 PM
??????
Bunz?
Please lord talk in english.
Shino wasn't 14, they've never said their age in the manga.

BK-nin
11-28-2007, 11:24 PM
??????
Bunz?
Please lord talk in english.
Shino wasn't 14, they've never said their age in the manga.
1. i meant that he shouldn't get any praise since he's only so good cuz he's older
2. supposedly you can find that out in the official naruto handbook

majinsharingan
11-28-2007, 11:29 PM
1. i meant that he shouldn't get any praise since he's only so good cuz he's older
2. supposedly you can find that out in the official naruto handbook

supossivly.
But he's not 14.

Shino Aburame

* Age: 12-13 in Part I, 15 in Part II
* Rank: Chunin
* Seiyu: Shinji Kawada
* Voice actor: Sam Riegel (Episode 23-24), Derek Stephen Prince (Episode 34+)


He was in the same class as Hinata and Kiba.
No way someone that strong could be held back.
Neji's the oldest of them.
He was the one who was 14...or 13....

vsthorvs
11-29-2007, 02:44 AM
my list of the Konoha 11

Neji
Shikimaru
Shino
Lee
Naruto
Kiba
Chouji
Tenten
Sakura
Ino
Hinata

majinsharingan
11-29-2007, 02:47 AM
my list of the Konoha 11

Neji
Shikimaru
Shino
Lee
Naruto
Kiba
Chouji
Tenten
Sakura
Ino
Hinata

damn...while I like you and all....i gotta argue against you....

Hinata is much stornger than Ino.

The list..

Naruto Shikamaru Neji Shino
Lee
Sakura
Kiba
Chouji
Hiinata
Tenten
Ino

vsthorvs
11-29-2007, 04:06 AM
damn...while I like you and all....i gotta argue against you....

Hinata is much stornger than Ino.

The list..

Naruto Shikamaru Neji Shino
Lee
Sakura
Kiba
Chouji
Hiinata
Tenten
Ino


hmm. honestly i made that list, then realized i had completely forgotten hinata, and added her without thinking too much. she probably is stronger, but if she had to face any of them in a battle, she'd wuss out. I'm counting emotional factors in.

you're top's pretty good. except for naruto. although i was talking about normal naruto. add the nine tails chakra, and he's beyond all of them. The other 3 are pretty close, my ranking's on them don't mean much.

Tenten seems awfully low...

spongeaud
11-29-2007, 03:18 PM
honestly its a fight between sasuke naruto and probally neji

majinsharingan
11-29-2007, 04:45 PM
No it's not Sasuke isn't in the Konoha 11.

hmm. honestly i made that list, then realized i had completely forgotten hinata, and added her without thinking too much. she probably is stronger, but if she had to face any of them in a battle, she'd wuss out. I'm counting emotional factors in.

you're top's pretty good. except for naruto. although i was talking about normal naruto. add the nine tails chakra, and he's beyond all of them. The other 3 are pretty close, my ranking's on them don't mean much.

Tenten seems awfully low...

Well that's because, Chouji, sakura, Kiba, Neji, Shino Naruto and Shikamaru can beat her.
Naruto is the strongest out of them.
His new technique takes out two hearts.
And he's gotten a lot stronger.

The8tailed1
11-29-2007, 06:15 PM
No it's not Sasuke isn't in the Konoha 11.



Well that's because, Chouji, sakura, Kiba, Neji, Shino Naruto and Shikamaru can beat her.
Naruto is the strongest out of them.
His new technique takes out two hearts.
And he's gotten a lot stronger. Hmm But wasn't it you that stated that sasuke was the strongest of the group or did you say that without thiniking of the question first.

majinsharingan
11-29-2007, 06:16 PM
I said that back in the beginning when I thought it was Konoha 12.

Neji'sEyes
11-29-2007, 07:45 PM
Neji!http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~lebenteas/Wallpapers/Neji/wp/neji5.jpg
neji5.jpg (JPEG Image, 1152x864 pixels) - Scaled (53%)

hinata
11-29-2007, 09:17 PM
yes, hinata is. ummmm, sasuke is the strongest, or naruto.

Angel Spawn666
11-29-2007, 09:54 PM
Yep, im pretty sure its Neji, and a litlle of Naruto if we are couting his Tails...

Byakugan
11-29-2007, 10:34 PM
Neji!http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~lebenteas/Wallpapers/Neji/wp/neji5.jpg
neji5.jpg (JPEG Image, 1152x864 pixels) - Scaled (53%)Dude, Neji isn't that great!

For me, it's a tie between Naruto and Shino.

-Byakugan

majinsharingan
11-29-2007, 11:12 PM
I agree with Byakugan, Sasuke isn't in the Konoha 11, and Naruto doesn't use Kyuub anymore.

Mist Taijutsu Beast
11-30-2007, 02:11 AM
Lee and Shino but Naruto is too obvious

Sasori[RedSand]
11-30-2007, 05:55 AM
I dont see shino to be so skilled guys.Lee could eat him for breakfast.
this is how it goes for me:
1.Neji and shikamaru(neji is better for 1v1 battles and shikamaru is better for team battles)
2.Lee-what to say, maybe ' GREEN BEAST OF YOUTH '
3.Naruto-His becoming very strong in shippuden and trying to not use kyuubis powers

majinsharingan
11-30-2007, 06:19 AM
;63594']I dont see shino to be so skilled guys.Lee could eat him for breakfast.
this is how it goes for me:
1.Neji and shikamaru(neji is better for 1v1 battles and shikamaru is better for team battles)
2.Lee-what to say, maybe ' GREEN BEAST OF YOUTH '
3.Naruto-His becoming very strong in shippuden and trying to not use kyuubis powers

No, actually Shino's bugs could take out Lee pretty easily. Lee doesn't have a very good chakra supply.

vsthorvs
11-30-2007, 07:01 AM
hmm. if lee opened the gates he would have a definite edge over Shino, but even then I think Shino is better.

i'm taking into account brains. Shikimaru, Shino, and Neji are all extremely smart.

Sakura's really smart too but she's focused more on her healing arts.

The8tailed1
11-30-2007, 05:12 PM
On his own naruto doesn't really have what it takes to become the strongest, so I think the others will surpass him soon enough but for right now He is the strongest.

Pablo-RockLee
11-30-2007, 06:15 PM
;63594']I dont see shino to be so skilled guys.Lee could eat him for breakfast.
this is how it goes for me:
1.Neji and shikamaru(neji is better for 1v1 battles and shikamaru is better for team battles)
2.Lee-what to say, maybe ' GREEN BEAST OF YOUTH '
3.Naruto-His becoming very strong in shippuden and trying to not use kyuubis powers

I agree with you all the Way ^_^
:naruto:

jiraiya_sama
11-30-2007, 07:02 PM
id have to say neji all the way he is strong, intelligant, pretty fast and not to mention the byakugan which benifits its fighting style he is hands down the strongest konoha shinobi of the origianal 11

Sasori[RedSand]
12-01-2007, 06:22 AM
Majin im not so sure that lee can be beaten by shino.Lee doesn't use chakra so much and he is far faster then shino.One secondary Lotus will do it.

KingTW
12-01-2007, 08:52 AM
On his own naruto doesn't really have what it takes to become the strongest, so I think the others will surpass him soon enough but for right now He is the strongest.

No, I guess the best training method possible (his 1000 clone training), makes it so he doesn't have what it takes. Not only that, but he's the only one with the chakra supply to do this kind of training. With him training so fricken fast with this training technique, many ppl will DEFINENTLY surpass him.

Hint the Sarcasm if you didn't notice the obvious sarcasm in that

Ceji
12-01-2007, 10:05 PM
Shino

I say this because I think the only people who can take shino are long ranged fighters. you'd have to be an extremely skilled short or mid ranged fighter to take on shino. this is because if you touch shino, he can just plant a female bug on you and then your done. ten ten is the only long ranged fighter(right?) and i think shino is too smart for her.

majinsharingan
12-02-2007, 04:51 PM
I agree.
But Neji and Naruto could beat Shino.
Naruto probably would.
Neji COULD.
Neji has a defense from the bugs but he can't use Kai ten forever.
Naruto has enormous chakra supply, it'll take a LONG time to bring him down with the bugs.
I say Naruto.
Shino.
Neji/Shikamaru
Lee
Kiba
Sakura
Chouji
Hinata
Tenten
Ino.

Summer.
12-02-2007, 05:27 PM
I agree.
But Neji and Naruto could beat Shino.
Naruto probably would.
Neji COULD.
Neji has a defense from the bugs but he can't use Kai ten forever.
Naruto has enormous chakra supply, it'll take a LONG time to bring him down with the bugs.
I say Naruto.
Shino.
Neji/Shikamaru
Lee
Kiba
Sakura
Chouji
Hinata
Tenten
Ino.

hmmm, almost agree with your scale. I say:
Naruto
Neji/Shino
Shikamaru
Lee
Sakura
Kiba
Hinata
Chouji
Tenten
Ino

majinsharingan
12-03-2007, 12:31 AM
hmmm, almost agree with your scale. I say:
Naruto
Neji/Shino
Shikamaru
Lee
Sakura
Kiba
Hinata
Chouji
Tenten
Ino

No Kiba could beat Sakura.
And Shino could beat both Neji and Shikamaru.
And Shikamaru and Neji is a draw.

Xinobi
12-03-2007, 02:51 AM
No Kiba could beat Sakura.
And Shino could beat both Neji and Shikamaru.
And Shikamaru and Neji is a draw.

I strongly disagree with the Shino comment. You know why too. You hold a torch for Shino if you want. Kankorou and Shino got owned by each other. In my opinion it was not challenging as the other fights we have seen. Until I see him beat someone noteworthy then he is just another ninja. If he is so Bad then why is he never in any movies? He is hardly in any main story lines.

Moongem
12-03-2007, 05:31 AM
I hate to say this but its clearly Naruto umm 9-Tailed Fox Anyone?

Summer.
12-03-2007, 07:32 AM
I strongly disagree with the Shino comment. You know why too. You hold a torch for Shino if you want. Kankorou and Shino got owned by each other. In my opinion it was not challenging as the other fights we have seen. Until I see him beat someone noteworthy then he is just another ninja. If he is so Bad then why is he never in any movies? He is hardly in any main story lines.

agree :)

and also... sakura could beat kiba.

majinsharingan
12-03-2007, 03:51 PM
I strongly disagree with the Shino comment. You know why too. You hold a torch for Shino if you want. Kankorou and Shino got owned by each other. In my opinion it was not challenging as the other fights we have seen. Until I see him beat someone noteworthy then he is just another ninja. If he is so Bad then why is he never in any movies? He is hardly in any main story lines.


Shino wasn't owned by Kankuro.
He was hit with Poison gas.


And Sakura can't beat Kiba.
Gatsuuga, and double headed wolf.

Summer.
12-03-2007, 04:40 PM
Shino wasn't owned by Kankuro.
He was hit with Poison gas.


if you say so, then kankuro wasn't owned by shino. he was beaten by bugs.
poison gas is weapon. bugs are also consider as weapon.
you can't generalizing things like that.



and also - gatsuuga is not everything. sakura is extremly good in dodging.

The8tailed1
12-03-2007, 04:52 PM
if you say so, then kankuro wasn't owned by shino. he was beaten by bugs.
poison gas is weapon. bugs are also consider as weapon.
you can't generalizing things like that.



and also - gatsuuga is not everything. sakura is extremly good in dodging.

Yes but she is more of a healer then a fighter.

Summer.
12-03-2007, 04:56 PM
Yes but she is more of a healer then a fighter.

I think that her monstrous power with combination of medical ninjutsu makes her a damn good fighter.

shadowcutter
12-05-2007, 12:51 PM
I'm going with,

Naruto
Neji
Shikamaru
Lee
Shino
Kiba
Sakura
Hinata
Chouji
Tenten
Ino

sai in your butt
12-11-2007, 06:21 AM
sasuke. he has a great advantage because of his bloodline limit.
he already knows so many techniques.

please dont read this unless you want to know a crazy spoiler....
sasuke also killed orichimara. a task not even the third hogake was able to do.



i cant decide if i like sasuke yet. :o

Kakashi18
12-11-2007, 08:26 AM
^^to that spoiler, he was sleeping/weakened..still killed um, but he wasn't as powerful as when he fought the 3rd

BK-nin
12-12-2007, 01:09 AM
sasuke. he has a great advantage because of his bloodline limit.
he already knows so many techniques.

please dont read this unless you want to know a crazy spoiler....
sasuke also killed orichimara. a task not even the third hogake was able to do.



i cant decide if i like sasuke yet. :ohow many times do we have to say that sasuke isn't in konoha 11, he would make12

GangstaKage
12-12-2007, 08:00 PM
I think its Naruto bc he is awesome and the whole show is named after him

UzumakiNaruto<3
12-12-2007, 08:18 PM
Sasuke is probably taking all that steroid crap and stuff like orochimaru so there skill is fake. I think Naruto is the BEST! <3 I want to see Hinata and kiba in action! Naruto if he gets angry enough i cant wait to see what he looks like as kyubii in the upcoming episodes! :)

majinsharingan
12-12-2007, 08:20 PM
Sasuke is probably taking all that steroid crap and stuff like orochimaru so there skill is fake. I think Naruto is the BEST! <3 I want to see Hinata and kiba in action! Naruto if he gets angry enough i cant wait to see what he looks like as kyubii in the upcoming episodes! :)

Sasuke isn't a part of the Konoha 11.

UzumakiNaruto<3
12-12-2007, 08:25 PM
I can say that because it is true

You are taking what Kakashi said way too literally
Neji pushed Naruto to his limit. It was ONLY by the demon fox's chakra that he was able to even get back into the fight.
I doubt we saw the pinacle of what Neji could do
Naruto was doing everything he knew to fight, he didn't know anything else!!
WHEN in the WORLD did he hold his own against Itachi? If you say the Itachi clone you should be smacked with a smelly fish.
Sasuke whooped Naruto's ass even with the demon fox helping him. Especially when his sharingan matured.
I would hope that his chakra points would open up too if he had a demon fox helping him. Without the Kyuubi that would have been a wrap. If you deny that you are just naive.
And GEEZ, the only way Naruto won against Neji is because he was careless (he even stated that). His gaurd was down and the Byakugan was deactivated.

Naruto's Kyubii is a gift like nejii's byakugan. That is Narutos special thing. No reason to fight it I mean this anime last time i checked is deffinately called Naruto so you cant expect him to be insignificant? Nejii is my second favorite and Nejii respects and knows naruto is strong anyway.

majinsharingan
12-12-2007, 08:35 PM
Naruto's Kyubii is a gift like nejii's byakugan. That is Narutos special thing. No reason to fight it I mean this anime last time i checked is deffinately called Naruto so you cant expect him to be insignificant? Nejii is my second favorite and Nejii respects and knows naruto is strong anyway.

Okay I'm gonna shove a 900 foot tall fox through your stomach, see if you enjoy that? Call it a gift.
It's called a Bijuu.
That's Naruto's Special thing that's killing him from the inside, out.
And as for the insignificant comment....
Naruto's record is
5 Wins. 23 Loses.
So don't say he has the main character power.

Dr. Lecter
12-12-2007, 10:58 PM
i say neji or rock lee

(if naruto didnt have the kyuubi then he would be the weakest)

majinsharingan
12-12-2007, 11:02 PM
Bull.
Pure bull.
Not bull s**t
Just, Bull.
That doesn't even deserve the s**t.
THATS HOW BAD THAT WAS!

Naruto would beat Sakura, Hinata, Shino, Kiba, Chouji, Tenten, Shikamaru, Neji, and Ino!

Naruto has Rasengan, he has the massive chakra supply, that's his. He has the shadow clones. The summons. The Fuuton Rasengan.
You want me to go on?
Cause I can do this all I need.
There's 10 people.
10 arguments.
You want me to start or do you realize that statement was Bull?

Kakashi18
12-13-2007, 01:09 AM
out of those people I think only Shikamaru and neji stand a chance against naruto..neji after he "saw the light" per se..

majinsharingan
12-13-2007, 01:27 AM
lol.
You used the wrong metaphore.
Saw the light is came face to face with death.
...what's a cliche for "Owned?"

Summer.
12-13-2007, 07:08 AM
Bull.
Pure bull.
Not bull s**t
Just, Bull.
That doesn't even deserve the s**t.
THATS HOW BAD THAT WAS!

Naruto would beat Sakura, Hinata, Shino, Kiba, Chouji, Tenten, Shikamaru, Neji, and Ino!

Naruto has Rasengan, he has the massive chakra supply, that's his. He has the shadow clones. The summons. The Fuuton Rasengan.
You want me to go on?
Cause I can do this all I need.
There's 10 people.
10 arguments.
You want me to start or do you realize that statement was Bull?

nice :)
agree with every word.

KingTW
12-13-2007, 02:52 PM
No kidding lol, whoever thinks Naruto is weak without Kyuubi.. no offence, go watch the anime again and re-read the manga, cuz u've missed a few things xD

Summer.
12-13-2007, 03:12 PM
No kidding lol, whoever thinks Naruto is weak without Kyuubi.. no offence, go watch the anime again and re-read the manga, cuz u've missed a few things xD

more than just few.
I have kinda feeling that people like he/she/don't even know who posted it, didn't watch the anime even once... xD

original fox king foxstream
12-13-2007, 04:06 PM
but he left konaha so he doesnt count so i say naruto

~Sai~
12-15-2007, 02:36 AM
I think its to early to tell.

UzumakiNaruto<3
12-15-2007, 04:29 AM
Bull.
Pure bull.
Not bull s**t
Just, Bull.
That doesn't even deserve the s**t.
THATS HOW BAD THAT WAS!

Naruto would beat Sakura, Hinata, Shino, Kiba, Chouji, Tenten, Shikamaru, Neji, and Ino!

Naruto has Rasengan, he has the massive chakra supply, that's his. He has the shadow clones. The summons. The Fuuton Rasengan.
You want me to go on?
Cause I can do this all I need.
There's 10 people.
10 arguments.
You want me to start or do you realize that statement was Bull?

Yep that deffinately sums it all up :)

BK-nin
12-15-2007, 05:10 PM
Bull.
Pure bull.
Not bull s**t
Just, Bull.
That doesn't even deserve the s**t.
THATS HOW BAD THAT WAS!

Naruto would beat Sakura, Hinata, Shino, Kiba, Chouji, Tenten, Shikamaru, Neji, and Ino!

Naruto has Rasengan, he has the massive chakra supply, that's his. He has the shadow clones. The summons. The Fuuton Rasengan.
You want me to go on?
Cause I can do this all I need.
There's 10 people.
10 arguments.
You want me to start or do you realize that statement was Bull?wait! who are you talking to?

KingTW
12-15-2007, 11:05 PM
not 2 put words in2 sum1's mouth, I think he was referring to hyugamaster's post of naruto being the weakest without kyuubi

shadowcutter
12-16-2007, 02:52 PM
I wouldn;t say his the weakest but if he didn't have kyuubi inside him he deffiantly wouldnt be as strong as he is normally, and who the heck voted for Shino???

Summer.
12-16-2007, 04:56 PM
I wouldn;t say his the weakest but if he didn't have kyuubi inside him he deffiantly wouldnt be as strong as he is normally, and who the heck voted for Shino???

well, I didn't vote for him, but I think he certainly is in the top of the strongest in the konoha 11...

Neji'sEyes
12-16-2007, 05:00 PM
Duh of course neji

Konoha's Warrior
12-16-2007, 07:22 PM
Kiba Baby!!! Akamaru is the size of a Wolf now.

BK-nin
12-16-2007, 07:31 PM
Kiba Baby!!! Akamaru is the size of a Wolf now. acid piss iz cool and all.

majinsharingan
12-16-2007, 09:44 PM
No it's really not....it's acid and it comes out of...yeah...so, extreme burning?
xD

BK-nin
12-16-2007, 09:51 PM
No it's really not....it's acid and it comes out of...yeah...so, extreme burning?
xD yeah but it wont hurt the organism who is taking the piss

majinsharingan
12-16-2007, 09:53 PM
yeah but it wont hurt the organism who is taking the piss

okay that's good.
Cause i don't think anyone would be willing to use that if it did.

BK-nin
12-16-2007, 10:26 PM
okay that's good.
Cause i don't think anyone would be willing to use that if it did.all that's left iz exploding turds, like in okami

[Roc Boy]>B Rad
12-28-2007, 05:24 PM
sauke is not the strongest in konoha bcause he left so that makes naruto the best since he beat neji

garraofthesand
01-05-2008, 08:58 PM
naruto cuz he is a jinchuriki

Super Luigi
01-09-2008, 12:37 AM
neji is the coolest but naruto is the stongest

SHiN0
01-09-2008, 01:07 AM
well...i vote naruto...cause he just flat out owns

Tohno Takaki
01-09-2008, 01:49 AM
neji is strongest. naruto just won because he has kiuybi

majinsharingan
01-09-2008, 01:52 AM
Not at this point in the show.