Itachi vs. The Sannin (OFFICIAL THREAD)

[MinatoNamikaze]

Itachi all the way. Proof of this is the fact that Orochimaru stated that Itachi is stronger than he is, and becasue the three sanin are equal in strength, Itachi is stronger than all of them. And thats not even taking into consider Itachis never before seen Sasuno:itachi: :itachi: :itachi:

[WhiteFang]

I really disagree. The sannins are not equal in strength. Tsunade is clearly the weakest.

Against all 3 of the sannin... Itachi would get destroyed.

Itachi Vs Tsunade, definitely Itachi.

Itachi Vs Oro, we already know.. Itachi has beaten him twice in 5 secs.

Itachi Vs Jiraiya, I think they will both die. But that's just what I think.. probably Jiraiya would win by a hair.

[Teh Bomb Bijuu]

Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Itachi would beat both Tsunade and Jiriaya but against Jiriaya he stands no chance.

[itachi0110]

true but it doesn't say against all three og them it's just against any

[hyuga_fan]

jiraiya would pwn
oro would lose
tsunade would lose

itachi has a good chance against the sanin(except jiraiya)

[itachi0110]

i disagree

[hyuga_fan]

well wat do u think

[itachi0110]

i think he could defeat jiraiya

[Doctor Octogonapus]

i think he could defeat jiraiya

He can't though.
It's obvious after watching him fight Pein.
Not to mention the fact that they kinda said he could beat Itachi.

[hyuga_fan]

all jiraiya has to do is go hermit and no not even that just summon one of his toads to sit on itachi

[WhiteFang]

Itachi would beat both Tsunade and Jiriaya but against Jiriaya he stands no chance.

Isn't this self-contradictory. I believe the 1st Jiraiya should be replaced by Orochimaru.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I definitely don't remember saying Jiriaya after Tsunade.
Oh well I wasn't paying attention anyway.
Obviously I meant Orochimaru not Jiriaya.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok Jirayia isint more powerful then Orochimaru. Reason is he couldnt save him or defeat him when he fought Orochimaru. Remeber when Jiryia went to find Tsunade and fought Orochimaru, I believe the fight was a draw so Orochimaru and Jiriya are equal and thus Itachi could beat Jiriya.

Even in hermit mode, Itachis Mangekyou charingan techiniques would crush Jiryia. He wouldnt even need Amateratsu or Tsukyomi, he would only need Sasuno and touch Jiryia with its sword. Jiryia wouldnt be able to break through its defense anyway.

So Itachi is better than Jiriya

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Ok Jirayia isint more powerful then Orochimaru.

Manga.

Reason is he couldnt save him or defeat him when he fought Orochimaru.

Manga and Anime.

Remeber when Jiryia went to find Tsunade and fought Orochimaru, I believe the fight was a draw so Orochimaru and Jiriya are equal and thus Itachi could beat Jiriya.

Manga and Anime.

Even in hermit mode, Itachis Mangekyou charingan techiniques would crush Jiryia.

Manga.

He wouldnt even need Amateratsu or Tsukyomi, he would only need Sasuno and touch Jiryia with its sword. Jiryia wouldnt be able to break through its defense anyway.

Manga.

So Itachi is better than Jiriya

Manga.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Manga.



Manga and Anime.



Manga and Anime.



Manga.



Manga.



Manga.

Oh I only started reading Manga around chapter 300. Did these battles not take place in Manga then?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Oh I only started reading Manga around chapter 300. Did these battles not take place in Manga then?

Jiriaya got his ass kicked by Pein.
But the power Jiriaya showed was much stronger than anything Orochimaru could do.

Jiriaya and Orochimaru never fought I don't think, they had a stand off, and Orochimaru left.

Orochimaru was beaten bad by Itachi.

Kisame admitted that Jiriaya could possibly(being arrogant no doubt) beat both him and Itachi at the same time.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Jiriaya got his ass kicked by Pein.
But the power Jiriaya showed was much stronger than anything Orochimaru could do.

True but then why wasnt he able to bring Orochimaru back when he abandonded the village. If he was so much more powerful, wouldnt he have been able to stop Orochimaru. It is like naruto and Sasuke, Naruto couldnt stop him because he wasnt strong enough to.

Jiriaya and Orochimaru never fought I don't think, they had a stand off, and Orochimaru left.

That could be, I remember them fighting for a bit though and Jiryia didnt kick his ass at all.

Orochimaru was beaten bad by Itachi.

True

Kisame admitted that Jiriaya could possibly(being arrogant no doubt) beat both him and Itachi at the same time.

I believe that was Itachi, and he only said that because he was a pacifist and wanted to avoid a fight.

[vane]

No Itachi can not defeat Jiraiya as stated in the manga itself.

When Jiraiya fought Orochimaru he never used Hermit mode. Back when they were younger he still never used it. Plus when they were younger he wanted to bring save Orochimaru not beat him. To catch someone and bring them back is harder than to actually beat them. Its like a foot race. Its easier to beat someone in a race but its harder to actually catch them as they can manuvere and dodge. So your logic on Orochimaru being stronger because Jiraiy acouldnt bring him back is flawed.

[MinatoNamikaze]

No Itachi can not defeat Jiraiya as stated in the manga itself.

When Jiraiya fought Orochimaru he never used Hermit mode. Back when they were younger he still never used it. Plus when they were younger he wanted to bring save Orochimaru not beat him. To catch someone and bring them back is harder than to actually beat them. Its like a foot race. Its easier to beat someone in a race but its harder to actually catch them as they can manuvere and dodge. So your logic on Orochimaru being stronger because Jiraiy acouldnt bring him back is flawed.

It may be, but then why didnt Jiriya defeat him when he encountered Orochimaru while getting Tsunade. He didnt want to save him there so why didnt he kill him then?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

^^He was drunk.

[vane]

^^ I thought he was poisoned.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

^^ I thought he was poisoned.

Maybe.
Although when i think of poison I think of the killing you kind...

[MinatoNamikaze]

^^He was drunk.

Oh was he? lol I cant remeber that far back, just the big picture. But I say we just leave it at itachi = Jiriya becuase we have both left pretty strong evidence that one is stronger than the other. What do you say?

[vane]

I dont know. I still have to say Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi. You 2 can agree but I just dont see it.

[Akatsuki]

They said in an episode that Jiraiya could win, so yeah.. Jiraya

[Tsugaga]

Jiraiya took on Itachi and Kisame at the same time. Itachi and Kisame ran. Orochimaru is scared of Itachi and knows that he can't beat Itachi. Tsunade I don't know about.

[D.I.Y Death]

Jiraiya took on Itachi and Kisame at the same time. Itachi and Kisame ran. Orochimaru is scared of Itachi and knows that he can't beat Itachi. Tsunade I don't know about.

where did this happen? give me a magna link?

Oro has lost to Itachi, Tsuande would probably lose unless shes really really good against genjutsy.
Jir is definitely more powerful that Itachi, the proof is all over the magna and anime.
Itachi>2/3rds of the Sannin.

[vane]

where did this happen? give me a magna link?

He was refering to when they kinda half way fought in the hallway of the inn and Itachi used Amaterasu to escape the frogs belly and jumped out just in time. But I wouldnt consider that as a real fight. Because nobody gave it their all. It was just a little taste of a fight. But like I said not worth actually throwing out there as evidence.

It would take me some time to find the Manga page but if you must have it then just say it. But I just hope you remember the page because it is hard for me to find page links anymore since I had to erase my computer.

[GangstaKage]

If Itachi faced all three of the sanin.He would get destroyed.
Ok:

Jiraya vs. Itachi
Now in he manga it was stated ir implied that Itachi and Kisame couldnt defeat Jiraya so I dont know how it would be any better without or with Kisame but Jiraya could beat him by himself.

Now if it was all three Im not sure any would die seeing as the two could sit back and eat popcorn while Jiraya did all the work.

So the sanin have the win on this on.

[Raikage]

one on one itachi can win but if he battled them all his death

[GangstaKage]

Back it up.If Jiraiya is stronger then Itachi and Kisame.How could Itachi alone beat Jiraya

[Raikage]

Back it up.If Jiraiya is stronger then Itachi and Kisame.How could Itachi alone beat Jiraya

itachi beated orochimaru who is stronger then jiriya

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ya, if he could bring ORochimaru to his knees so easily with his sharingan, he could beat Jiriya pretty easily.

However, if Itachi didnt have his Mangekyou, he probably wouldnt win.

A point that keeps coming up is that Itachi stated that Jiriya could defeat Kisame and itachi by himslef. But what everyone is forgetting is the fact that Itachi is a pacifist (doesnt like fighting). If he told Kisame he could beat Jiriya, Kisame would want to fight (which is not what Itachi wanted). You also have to remember Akatsuki sent them to capture Naruto, but as it turns out, Itahci didnt want to catch Naruto at all. By telling Kisame they could not win, he tricked Kisame into not not going after Jiriya and naruto because they would both be Killed

:itachi: >:oro: = :jir:

Orochimaru and Jiriya are about the same level,s oif Itachi beat Orochimaru without even trying, imagine what he would do against Jiriya.

[Raikage]

Ya, if he could bring ORochimaru to his knees so easily with his sharingan, he could beat Jiriya pretty easily.

However, if Itachi didnt have his Mangekyou, he probably wouldnt win.

A point that keeps coming up is that Itachi stated that Jiriya could defeat Kisame and itachi by himslef. But what everyone is forgetting is the fact that Itachi is a pacifist (doesnt like fighting). If he told Kisame he could beat Jiriya, Kisame would want to fight (which is not what Itachi wanted). You also have to remember Akatsuki sent them to capture Naruto, but as it turns out, Itahci didnt want to catch Naruto at all. By telling Kisame they could not win, he tricked Kisame into not not going after Kisame because they would both be Killed

:itachi: >:oro: = :jir:

Orochimaru and Jiriya are about the same level,s oif Itachi beat Orochimaru without even trying, imagine what he would do against Jiriya.

AGREED

[GangstaKage]

You see thats the confusing part.But Orochmaru was stronger than Jiraya when they were younger.Now Jiraya is far stronger then Oro.He held his won against Pain who is one of the top 3 strongest chaacters in Naruto.

Now Orochimaru would have lost all his limbs gainst Pein and probobly his head.But
It said in the Manga when Kisame and Itachi tried to get Naruto while they were looking for Tsunade.When Jiraya saved him that both Itachi and Kisame couldnt take on Jiraya.So without Kisame the odds wont be any better.

[MinatoNamikaze]

AGREED

Finally someone sees eye to eye with me. Everyone seems to want to underestimate the power of the shaingan/Mangekyou sharingan. Its really only because of it Itachi beat Oro so easily. WIthout it, the fight would be really close. I agree that Jiriya could beat Itachi without sharingan, but you have to remember Jiriya is much more experienced. Like yondaime, Itachi still hadnt even come close to reaching his peak. If he had, there is not doubt in my mind he could be the strongest shinobi ever. You also have to remember Jiriya already reached his peak, so he has much more experience.

Put the two of them at their peak, Itachi would have it for sure. Jiriya would be a little faster but no smarter, itachi would be alot faster, 100 times smater than Jiriya (note that Itachi is considered a brilliant genius, Jiriya is not). if they were at the same age, itahci would wipe the floor with Jiriya, now that Itachi hasnt even come close to reaching his peak, I think the fight would be a little closer, but Itachi would still win.

Also, remember Itachi stopped training some time back because he didnt need to be any stronger for his purposes.

And finally, if Itachi had wanted to get Sasukes eyes, and get eternal amngekyou sharingan, Jiriya would be riped to shreds alot faster than he did against Pain.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

itachi beated orochimaru who is stronger then jiriya

Itachi beat Orochimaru.
Orochimaru is weaker than Jiriaya.

[Raikage]

But oro Battled Jiriaya and Tsunade both and was a match for them

[Doctor Octogonapus]

But oro Battled Jiriaya and Tsunade both and was a match for them

Not really.
Jiriaya was poisoned and weakened.
Orochimaru had no arms but had Kabuto there to level the playing field.

[Raikage]

hm yes

[itachi0110]

also he didn't use his best jutsu

[MinatoNamikaze]

Not really.
Jiriaya was poisoned and weakened.
Orochimaru had no arms but had Kabuto there to level the playing field.

Ya but Kabuto was preocuppied with Tsunade.

And even if Jiriya was poisoned, if he was sooo much more powerful that orochimaru as you guys make him out to be, he still should have been able to clober Orochimaru.

[vane]

No you forget that he wasnt capable of using Hermit Mode then because of the poison. Had he not been poisoned and used Hermit Mode Orochimaru would be beat (as you say clobbered).

[GangstaKage]

Agreed.

For the most part Tsunade was on the sidelines because she was so scared.Shizune didnt do much beause she was looking after everyone.

[D.I.Y Death]

He was refering to when they kinda half way fought in the hallway of the inn and Itachi used Amaterasu to escape the frogs belly and jumped out just in time. But I wouldnt consider that as a real fight. Because nobody gave it their all. It was just a little taste of a fight. But like I said not worth actually throwing out there as evidence.

It would take me some time to find the Manga page but if you must have it then just say it. But I just hope you remember the page because it is hard for me to find page links anymore since I had to erase my computer.

heh you just game me a pretty awesome flashback of that magna chaper/anime episode.

Yeah I know exactly what you are talking about.
Its weak evidence at best, like all the points used to support Itachi beating Jir.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok so do you guys honestly believe that Jiriyas hermit mode stands any chance against a move like sasuno. Hermit mode couldnt penetrate its defence, and Sasuno only has to touch Jiriya with his sword and its over. How can hermit mode beat that? Its an almost (if not definetly) and unbeatable Jutsu (as seen in its fight against sasuke)

[vane]

Ok so do you guys honestly believe that Jiriyas hermit mode stands any chance against a move like sasuno. Hermit mode couldnt penetrate its defence, and Sasuno only has to touch Jiriya with his sword and its over. How can hermit mode beat that? Its an almost (if not definetly) and unbeatable Jutsu (as seen in its fight against sasuke)

There is a great counter measure to it. STAY AWAY FROM THE BIG SWORD!. All you have to do is dodge the big bulky sword and wait till Itachi cant hold it anymore. That sholdnt be to hard with Swamp of the Underworld. And Hermit Mode increasing his speed greatly. That highly increases his chances of avoiding it greatly.

[GangstaKage]

Again another good point.Susanoo looks sort of slow since its so huge.If Itachi si pushed to use that he muist be beat up like heck.and he cant hold it forever.That move would tire him out quickly plus the fact that he might already be weakened greatly increases Jiraya's already good chances.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok but the sword is extremly fast and doesnt have a sold shape. It can bend and change direction. Im sure you say how fast it caught Orochimaru. It chot out like a canon. Jiriya is fast, but he would need a time/space jutsu to avoid the sword.

[GangstaKage]

he probobly knows one and it wasnt that fast.Orochimaru was a giant snake.He is bound to move slow.most snakes move slow in the first place.

[MinatoNamikaze]

he probobly knows one and it wasnt that fast.Orochimaru was a giant snake.He is bound to move slow.most snakes move slow in the first place.

Well Orochimaru wasnt that slow. He just caught him by surprise. I believe that unless Jiriya fled he couldnt beat Itachi with Sasuno. Youa lso have to remember Itachi would be using other techiniques as well. And sasuno only has to touch him and he is finished. I think the jutsu is just to much for almost anyone to handle. However that being said, if he did manage to avoid it until itachi couldnt hold it any longer, Itachi would be too weak and it would go to Jiriya (as you have stated before):itachi: > :jir:

[vane]

Itachi cant use any techs while he is using Susanoo. Also its funny you put Itachi>Jiraiya. But all around we are giving you facts as to why not.

[GangstaKage]

I also Orochimaru was a giant snake.Logically speaking most snakes are relatively slow.And he was huge wich means more weight to carry around wich = slower Orochimaru.Plus he was suprised.

Ok. Itachi is weaker then Pein
Orochimaru is weaker then Pein
Itachi is strongger then Orochimaru
Jiraya took out one of Peins bodies.
Itachi and Orochimaru would all be killed by one of Peins bodies with probobl;y not even taking one out.
Jiraya is stronger then Kisame and Itachi
While only Itachi would lessen Itachi's chance of winning

Also Jiraya has that barrier techniqe he used to kill one of Pein's bodies.Wich he could use against Itachi.Im assuming it would work on techniques the same way by destroyed anything that tries to come in.So if Itachi new this he would eithe wait and have to stop susanoo or attack and have susanoo stopped for him

[MinatoNamikaze]

well it may be your opinion, but I think that Jiriya doesnt even stand a chance against sasuno. Not only that, but hes quite a but smarter to. Ive never heard Jiriya refered to as a genius. :itachi: > :jir: lol no hard feelings:D

[vane]

Jiraiya doesnt have to be refered to as anything. We obviously know he is smarter than Itachi. Who else could have fought with Pein and found out his secret. Not to many people I can think of or they would have done it. Also Jiraiya is smart anyways. I mean he is a legendary Sannin, age 53, and has expirienced the world. Come on there isnt to much he doesnt know.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Jiraiya doesnt have to be refered to as anything. We obviously know he is smarter than Itachi. Who else could have fought with Pein and found out his secret. Not to many people I can think of or they would have done it. Also Jiraiya is smart anyways. I mean he is a legendary Sannin, age 53, and has expirienced the world. Come on there isnt to much he doesnt know.

Jiriya is definetly not smarter than Itachi. Madara who is something around 100 has stated that he is amazed by Itachis sheer brilliance. He was the only one in the villlage (including Sarutobi and Jiriya) that even noticed Madara's presence. He also tricked every member of Akatsuki (excluding Madara) and Konoha and the uchiha clan, and every person in the real world into thinking he was pure evil. You cant be an idiot to do that. He even predicted Sasuke would attack Konoha. I have not seen Jiriya making any brilliant/genious moves of that nature. He appears to be alot like Naruto in that sense (alot more powerful mind you)

[vane]

You dont get around to being a Sannin and knowing all that he knows about techs and abilities to not be smart. Jiraiya just acts not smart. He puts on that charade so he can have fun. But when he gets serious he actually reveals that he is very smart. I doubt Itachi could actually figure out what Peins secret is. Which Jiraiya was capable of. I wouldnt really judge one above the other though. As both are fairly smart. But Jiraiya knows more than he leads on. If you read the manga.

[BK-nin]

itachi beats them all. you already know what he did to orochimaru. i don't feel like explaining why tsunade can't fight him let alon put up a fight. as for jiraiya.... toad versus three shinto gods.

[vane]

itachi beats them all. you already know what he did to orochimaru. i don't feel like explaining why tsunade can't fight him let alon put up a fight. as for jiraiya.... toad versus three shinto gods.

No actually its more like toad sage or, legendary sannin against strong Uchiha. Or Jiraiya vs Itachi. I dont see anything about shinto gods. Because if you are refering to Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo then that is kinda off considering that those are attacks and not people themselves. But as I have stated before Jiraiya takes this.

[BK-nin]

No actually its more like toad sage or, legendary sannin against strong Uchiha. Or Jiraiya vs Itachi. I dont see anything about shinto gods. Because if you are refering to Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo then that is kinda off considering that those are attacks and not people themselves. But as I have stated before Jiraiya takes this.those three moves would be overkill. black flames are hotter than the sun,the genjutsu is practically real, and susanoo was just plain insane. itachi wins.

[itachi0110]

correct

[vane]

those three moves would be overkill.
Yeah if they could actually hit him.

black flames are hotter than the sun,
For one not hotter than the sun. For two this is easy as Jiraiya has the frogs stomch to avoid.

the genjutsu is practically real,
Jiraiya has to be looking into Itachis eyes. Jiraiya wouldnt even be close enough to have that used on him.

and susanoo was just plain insane.
Another easy to avoid. Swamp of the Underworld mixed with Hermit Mode.

itachi wins.

Itachi loses. As after Jiraiya counters all these jutsu Itachi can no longer fight and will be fully drained of chakra with no ability to fight what so ever. So no Jiraiya wins.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

those three moves would be overkill. black flames are hotter than the sun,the genjutsu is practically real, and susanoo was just plain insane. itachi wins.

Ameratsu can be dodge.
Jiriaya can't be affected by Itachi's genjutsu.
Susano would kill Itachi as well.

[itachi0110]

that is right but the black flames can get out of the frogs stomach, and something else he doesn't just have to look into his eyes

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Kisame said himself, Jiriaya can beat both him and Itachi.
Explain to me how Jiriaya is stronger than both Kisame and Itachi but not just Itachi?

[itachi0110]

is this going to me, or bk-nin

[vane]

that is right but the black flames can get out of the frogs stomach,
But see if Itachi hets out that leaves Jiraiya inside useing the frog song with Ma and Pa toad. Then Itachi would have to get back in to attack but then he has to avoid the tentacles without running out of chakra using Amaterasu trying to avoid them.

and something else he doesn't just have to look into his eyes

Im sorry. Itachi can use his ring to reflect his eyes. But thats the only way. His eyes have ot make some sort of contact with Itachi's.

is this going to me, or bk-nin

Im sure it doesnt matter as who ever says other wise will have manga throwed in their face to prove that he is correct and prove that you or BK is wrong.

[itachi0110]

that's right but he can reflect his eyes off other things as well

[vane]

But with swamp of the underworld there isnt anything that is reflective or did you forget that he had that tech.

[itachi0110]

explain the full tech i don't completely kno of it

[vane]

Swamp of the Underworld is basically what its called. It basically summons a giant swamp that can swallow giant things as Orochimaru's twin headed snake (and that was a smaller version because Jiraiya was drugged).

[BK-nin]

Yeah if they could actually hit him.


For one not hotter than the sun. For two this is easy as Jiraiya has the frogs stomch to avoid.


Jiraiya has to be looking into Itachis eyes. Jiraiya wouldnt even be close enough to have that used on him.


Another easy to avoid. Swamp of the Underworld mixed with Hermit Mode.


Itachi loses. As after Jiraiya counters all these jutsu Itachi can no longer fight and will be fully drained of chakra with no ability to fight what so ever. So no Jiraiya wins.

1.yes black flames are hotter than the sun. the only thing hotter is white flames, which are practically pure light.

2. not true, what happened to naruto. itachi just pointed at him.

3.yes use hell swamps,then jiraiya eats a super sword in his face.

[itachi0110]

oh but isn't there a reflection in the swamp

[itachi0110]

1.yes black flames are hotter than the sun. the only thing hotter is white flames, which are practically pure light.

2. not true, what happened to naruto. itachi just pointed at him.

3.yes use hell swamps,then jiraiya eats a super sword in his face.

ok but that was a reflection from his ring

[vane]

1.yes black flames are hotter than the sun. the only thing hotter is white flames, which are practically pure light.
Again no. Use logic. It never states anywhere that they are hotter than the sun. Probably close to as hot but not hotter.

2. not true, what happened to naruto. itachi just pointed at him.

Yes he pointed but it was the reflection off of his own ring. Get it the reflection. He has to make some sort of eye contact to initiate Tsukiyomi.

3.yes use hell swamps,then jiraiya eats a super sword in his face.
I dont see how Jiraiya gets sword in face when Jiraiya is moving faster than sword can be swung. Or did you forget that Jiraiya is extremely fast when in Hermit Mode. Especially in the swamp where it slows Itachi down and doesnt even bother Jiraiya.

oh but isn't there a reflection in the swamp

A swamp isnt reflective. Its basically thick mud or dirt as you will.

[itachi0110]

yes i kno but why not a small reflection

[vane]

Because its mud. There isnt any water. Or clear water. Like when he used it on the twin headed snake when he fought against Orochimaru. If you watch or read that episode/chapter you will see what it is.

[BK-nin]

Again no. Use logic. It never states anywhere that they are hotter than the sun. Probably close to as hot but not hotter.


Yes he pointed but it was the reflection off of his own ring. Get it the reflection. He has to make some sort of eye contact to initiate Tsukiyomi.

I dont see how Jiraiya gets sword in face when Jiraiya is moving faster than sword can be swung. Or did you forget that Jiraiya is extremely fast when in Hermit Mode. Especially in the swamp where it slows Itachi down and doesnt even bother Jiraiya.


A swamp isnt reflective. Its basically thick mud or dirt as you will.
1.well black flames that hot. plus they burn for like 2 weeks straight and i've only seen them being put out with a special scroll.
2.no there was no reflection he just pointed.
3.don't talk about speed. uchihas can "warp".

[Rultzbud]

1.well black flames that hot. plus they burn for like 2 weeks straight and i've only seen them being put out with a special scroll.
2.no there was no reflection he just pointed.
3.don't talk about speed. uchihas can "warp".

Dude.. Shut up.. Vane's beaten you.. Accept that fact..

and as for you #3... Shut the hell up, anyone can "warp" it's a D-Rank Jutsu, meaning Genin can do it!! The 4th Hokage could do that, was he a Uchiha? No.. Guess who his teacher was!! Jiriaya, so guess what that means!! Jiriaya can do it too!! So see, you fail... So please, here's a big ol' glass of shhh, now drink it.

[BK-nin]

Dude.. Shut up.. Vane's beaten you.. Accept that fact..

and as for you #3... Shut the hell up, anyone can "warp" it's a D-Rank Jutsu, meaning Genin can do it!! The 4th Hokage could do that, was he a Uchiha? No.. Guess who his teacher was!! Jiriaya, so guess what that means!! Jiriaya can do it too!! So see, you fail... So please, here's a big ol' glass of shhh, now drink it.

1.who are you, and why would you tell me to shut up.
2.the d-ranked move is body flickering. its cliche anime move. you move so fast it looks like you teleported, you're really just running and jumping. it no more advanced than casting after images. which in the world of naruto is normal ol' clone jutsu.
3.minato used a tag to do that, he didn't just teleport all willie-nillie.
4.the uchihas can naturally do this. the itachi "murdered" was famous for matering that move.
5.minato made up his own moves. do you even know half of what you're talking about or are you just choosing sides.

[itachi0110]

ok Rultzbud a lil harsh don't u think lol, and what moves do u kno of the 4 other than rasengan

[Rultzbud]

1.who are you, and why would you tell me to shut up.
2.the d-ranked move is body flickering. its cliche anime move. you move so fast it looks like you teleported, you're really just running and jumping. it no more advanced than casting after images. which in the world of naruto is normal ol' clone jutsu.
3.minato used a tag to do that, he didn't just teleport all willie-nillie.
4.the uchihas can naturally do this. the itachi "murdered" was famous for matering that move.
5.minato made up his own moves. do you even know half of what you're talking about or are you just choosing sides.

I am Rultzbud, Rultzbud am I. I tell you to shut up because you're making yourself seem stupid..

Minato still used the Body flicker... because he would cover such great distances he used the devices to help him do this..

Yet again, you said Itachi uses this... It's because it's a basic jutsu..

Yes I did choose a side, with Jiriaya, you're probably one of those Itachi fan-boys that will always say Itachi will win no matter who he fights..


Jiriaya in hermit mode, with the dark swamp jutsu, would easily beat Itachi.. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, all of that wouldn't work, Jiriaya is too smart for that. Besides, I doubt Itachi has heard of the Toad Song, so thats how he would die..

[itachi0110]

ok i am going to be totally honest i lost this debate because of vane, lol but i will win in a debate agains u vane just wait lol, so yes Jiriaya wins

[Rultzbud]

ok Rultzbud a lil harsh don't u think lol, and what moves do u kno of the 4 other than rasengan

Yeah.. It was a bit harsh..

I apologize person!! :xd: sorry.

[vane]

1.well black flames that hot. plus they burn for like 2 weeks straight
Shows that you read the manga. And you are trying to correct me. No they dont burn for 2 weeks they only burn for 7 days. What does that add up to. I think it might be a week. Not 2.

and i've only seen them being put out with a special scroll.

Actually it wasnt put out. It was contained to use for research. Jiraiya bascially captured the flame so he could learn more about it.

2.no there was no reflection he just pointed.

Man you are the only one denying this. He points with his ring finger. If you go back and read the chapter when he puts naruto in the genjutsu he points with his ring finger. WHY IS THAT? It is because he uses the reflection off of his ring to cast it upon his enemies. Have you ever worn a watch and shined the sun in someones eyes. That is the same principle. Some one can be looking away and you can still shine it in their eyes if you aim it right.

3.don't talk about speed. uchihas can "warp".

I hope you are not refering to Madara Uchiha's time/space jutsu. Because if you are then you really should switch from Naruto to Sesame Street because that is exclusive to Madara. Or have you seen any other Uchiha using a time/space jutsu that moves you at the speed of light. Or heres another one. Have you ever heard of another Uchiha who has used it? No. You havnt because only Madara can do it. Not the entire clan. So please name someone so I can prove that wrong to.Please read through the manga a little bit better and then come back and try and debate actual facts instead of only assuming because you dont fully read throught the manga.

4.the uchihas can naturally do this. the itachi "murdered" was famous for matering that move.
As I have already mentioned this is completely wrong to the fullest.

Vane's beaten you.. Accept that fact..

You should actually listen to this part of his post. It was actually correct. (not saying anything else he said wasnt correct I am just saying this part is fact).


ok i am going to be totally honest i lost this debate because of vane, lol but i will win in a debate agains u vane just wait lol, so yes Jiriaya wins
I'll be waiting. :p :lol:

[itachi0110]

lol well guess i have to keep following u vane, and bk-nin u lost man give up there is just to much facts that prove u wrong

[Tsugaga]

Yeah Jiraiya wins this one.

[itachi0110]

we kno god do u keep saying that to get your posts up

[Tsugaga]

we kno god do u keep saying that to get your posts up

Half of y I said that was for my posts and half was cause by saying YEAH I agree. Stop putting smart a** comments after everything I post.

[itachi0110]

well stop putting stupid comments on

[GangstaKage]

Ypu guys shouldnt get into a fight.This is not the place!I may have to allert a mod if it gets out of control.So dont.....

[itachi0110]

why don't u calm down and stop acting like a lil girl, we already kno and nothing is getting out of control

[GangstaKage]

Thats isnt helping.Knowing some things that have happened on this site.They can get out of control.

[itachi0110]

i kno trust me i got banned before but i'm talking to my cuz and it won't get out of hand

[D.I.Y Death]

Ypu guys shouldnt get into a fight.This is not the place!I may have to allert a mod if it gets out of control.So dont.....

I just played catch up on this thread and there wasn't a fight, just a simple debate without name calling.
Your comment is a little unwarranted and screams "I want favor with the mods for being an over zealous good boy!" Please keep that in mind when you make posts like this when they do not apply it makes you seem really, really foolish.

I'd love to add to this topic, but A) Vane won this already and B) He said everything I wanted to say.

[itachi0110]

lol agreed 100%

[Tsugaga]

lol agreed 100%

Just saying, me too

[itachi0110]

so are we done here

[Tsugaga]

Yeah, I am

[Doctor Octogonapus]

why don't u calm down and stop acting like a lil girl, we already kno and nothing is getting out of control

Next time try saying it's not necessary without acting like a complete asshole, okay?

[QUOTE=D.I.Y Death;475294Your comment is a little unwarranted and screams "I want favor with the mods for being an over zealous good boy!" Please keep that in mind when you make posts like this when they do not apply it makes you seem really, really foolish.[/QUOTE]

That was completely unnecessary. Even though Itachi cleared it up in an immature way. There was no need for you to come in and prove that you're even less mature than he is. Not only that, but you're post goes against the advice you gave Ryan.

[itachi0110]

ok matt don't come to me telling me not to give unnecessary posts because u have had your share in the past, and u wanna talk about being an asshole come on matt u kno u r, and he had no right saying he was gonna tell on me for talking to my OWN COUSIN like that that's imature

[Doctor Octogonapus]

ok matt don't come to me telling me not to give unnecessary posts because u have had your share in the past, and u wanna talk about being an asshole come on matt u kno u r, and he had no right saying he was gonna tell on me for talking to my OWN COUSIN like that that's imature


Actually no it's not.
It's called being smart.
What's immature is you snapping at him for doing the right thing.
It's also immature that you're still hung up about this.

[itachi0110]

i'm not see that's the thing i really am not, and doing the right thing as in what nothing me talking to my cuz i mean that's cool i guess

[Doctor Octogonapus]

i'm not see that's the thing i really am not, and doing the right thing as in what nothing me talking to my cuz i mean that's cool i guess

Look idk what you two were doing and frankly I really don't care.
But you had no right to go off on Ryan like that.
Mod's are supposed to be aware of these things.

[Summer.]

You should all stop arguing right now (when it's not too late).

btw: but the debate on previous pages (NOT THE LAST ARGUING THAT DOESN'T EVEN DESERVE A NAME DEBATE) was kinda awesome ;)

[itachi0110]

i'm done i just don't like the fact that matt is upset over nothing, matt just calm down and lets stop arguing

[Muffin]

Man you are the only one denying this. He points with his ring finger. If you go back and read the chapter when he puts naruto in the genjutsu he points with his ring finger. WHY IS THAT? It is because he uses the reflection off of his ring to cast it upon his enemies. Have you ever worn a watch and shined the sun in someones eyes. That is the same principle. Some one can be looking away and you can still shine it in their eyes if you aim it right.

That's the only thing i feel i must correct.

Itachi didn't point with his ring finger, even though it's on his...ring finger. It's actually physically impossible to point with your ring finger alone because the tendons in your hand won't let you. But i still have never seen anywhere anything that hints that he used the reflection from his ring.

[itachi0110]

think about it that's the only thing he could of done

[Blaze The Poke Master]

itachi hands down he could use tsukiyomi on every1

[vane]

That's the only thing i feel i must correct.

Itachi didn't point with his ring finger, even though it's on his...ring finger. It's actually physically impossible to point with your ring finger alone because the tendons in your hand won't let you. But i still have never seen anywhere anything that hints that he used the reflection from his ring.

Im sorry I will correct so that people understand what I meant. Not his ring finger as in between to the pinky and middle finger. His ring finger as the finger he wheres his Akatsuki ring on.

Also there is no other way to put some one in Tsukiyomi without eye contact. His glare has to meat someone else's to put them in it. Because there are some people who have figured out not to look into his eyes. Itachi had ot figure out a way to still use that to his advantage. So he uses reflections. Any kind of reflection would work. Because if all he had to do is just point then he would do it all the time. Intstead of always looking into someones eyes to do so. He wouldnt just change it up.

[Peinsagod]

yeah remember when Itachi and his partner were watching Jiraya and naruto walk around he said that if they jumped Jiraya they all 3 would die

not naruto the other 3 to be specific

[Peinsagod]

That's the only thing i feel i must correct.

Itachi didn't point with his ring finger, even though it's on his...ring finger. It's actually physically impossible to point with your ring finger alone because the tendons in your hand won't let you. But i still have never seen anywhere anything that hints that he used the reflection from his ring.

dude it is not impossible to point with your ring finger if you cant then you have a problem i just did it 10 times just to make sure and its pretty easy

[vane]

I have already corrected my part where Muffin said I was wrong. Muffin thought I meant the actual ring finger. When I really ment the finger he wears his ring on.

[Muffin]

dude it is not impossible to point with your ring finger if you cant then you have a problem i just did it 10 times just to make sure and its pretty easy

Then you are a freak of nature, to actually point your ring finger straight like your index finger is a rare gift indeed, please record it and show me sometime.

And no Itachi's ring is on his ring finger not his index finger. He never put Naruto on Tsykiyomi either, it was normal Genjutsu, he used it again when he met Naruto in the woods too, he even said that he wasn't using his Mangekyo Sharingan.

[vane]

Sorry its been a long time since that chapter. Yes you were right he didnt use Tsukiyomi. And I was wrong with the ring piece. But it has to be done with the hand that does seals. Which just so happens to be the same hand. And also that is only regular Genjutsu. Not Tsukiyomi. Like I said you were right. So for Itachi to put anyone in Tsukiyomi he has to look them in the eye. Not to do just regular Genjutsu. I got confused because I thought it was Tsukiyomi he used on Naruto in the woods. But thanks for the correction.

Basically he can point his right hand index finger and put his enemies in a regular Genjutsu. But to put anyone into Tsukiyomi he has to look them in the eye.

[D.I.Y Death]

Next time try saying it's not necessary without acting like a complete asshole, okay?



That was completely unnecessary. Even though Itachi cleared it up in an immature way. There was no need for you to come in and prove that you're even less mature than he is. Not only that, but you're post goes against the advice you gave Ryan.

Well, well someone is begging for the word of the day:p
That was me being nice. I said please and was even careful to say the post makes him seem a certain way, not that he is a certain way.
I choose my words carefully to avoid misrepresentation that you just threw in there for me.
Of course I don't believe he/she's like that hence the word seem.
Matt, remember, context is important.

Back on topic.
Can't normal genjutsu be broken through rerouting of chakra, making it ineffective against someone like Jir, who trained Naruto how to break normal genjutsu?

[BK-nin]

Back on topic.
Can't normal genjutsu be broken through rerouting of chakra, making it ineffective against someone like Jir, who trained Naruto how to break normal genjutsu?yeah, but we're talking about the master of genjutsu users, and were not talking about regular old genjutsu either.

[vane]

yeah, but we're talking about the master of genjutsu users, and were not talking about regular old genjutsu either.

Actually yes we are. Regular Genjutsu wont work on Jiraiya. The only way to put anyone into Tsukiyomi is to look them in the eyes. And since Jiraiya knows a little about the MS of Itachi he would know not to look into his eyes. And if Itachi puts Jiraiya in any other genjutsu Jiraiya can get out.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

yeah remember when Itachi and his partner were watching Jiraya and naruto walk around he said that if they jumped Jiraya they all 3 would die

Actually no.
Kisame said that Jiriaya is a match for Itachi AND Kisame.
That right there pretty much says Jiriaya would beat them both if it's a one on one fight.
I think he'll beat both of them at the same time as well, seeing as Kisame's character tends to be a tad bit arrogant.

[BK-nin]

Actually no.
Kisame said that Jiriaya is a match for Itachi AND Kisame.
That right there pretty much says Jiriaya would beat them both if it's a one on one fight.
I think he'll beat both of them at the same time as well, seeing as Kisame's character tends to be a tad bit arrogant.
actually he said"i would die but you might be able to take him."

[vane]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/144/08/

Actually here is the link where Kisame says he might be a match for the #1 of the leaf and one of the mist's 7 strongest.

[D.I.Y Death]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/144/08/

Actually here is the link where Kisame says he might be a match for the #1 of the leaf and of the mist's 7 strongest.

errrr the link says he hight be a match for both of them. I agree with you, but how you were(as in past tense) representing that piece of information and how it reads is quite different.

[vane]

What do you mean. I said it exactly like Kisame said it. For both the #1 and mist strongest. Wait I see. I think you thought I meant 7 strongest as in 7 people. I see. My bad. No but one of the mists 7 strongest.

[D.I.Y Death]

What do you mean. I said it exactly like Kisame said it. For both the #1 and mist strongest. Wait I see. I think you thought I meant 7 strongest as in 7 people. I see. My bad. No but one of the mists 7 strongest.

No I didn't mean that. I meant just how this card has been so hyped up in the past and how its explanation at first was that "even Kisame admitted that both he and Itachi would die if they fought Jir" thats definitely a misleading statement, however it doesn't lessen the validity of the link because of the similar context.

[vane]

Ok I see what you are saying. But yes true.

[itachi0110]

what do u mean

[Super Luigi]

i think itachi can beat any sanin

[WhiteFang]

And why exactly do you think so?

Please elaborate.

[hyuga_fan]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/144/08/

Actually here is the link where Kisame says he might be a match for the #1 of the leaf and one of the mist's 7 strongest.

kisame said he could beat the first hokage(thats how i take #1 of the leaf) and the strongest swordsman

so who is the strongest swordsman

its not(definetly not) zabuza or kisame or suigetsu(he wasnt even in the 7)

so who are the other 4??

[vane]

^^ Did you not read the chapter. He said Jiraiya might be a match for the leafs #1 and one of the mist's seven strongest.

He was talking about Itachi and himself. He was probably being sarcastic when he said #1 of the leaf. But he called himself ONE of the strongest of the mist's seven swordsman.

Also I dont get where you start talking about the other swordsman. They dont play anypart in this debate nor do they play a part in what I said. And Suigetsu wasnt considered a swordsman of the mist. So I think you mean 5 not 4.

[KyuubiChakra]

Itachi wud beet Orochi cus Orochi is scare uv Itachi. tsunade wud lose to cus e only has power hits and Itachi has many jutsu and Sharingan. Jiraiya wud beet Itachi cus he no not to look at Itachi hand or eyes, + jiraiya wus a match for pein and almost 1

[itachi0110]

ok but pein would of got brought back to life, i kno he would of been beat but wouldn't stay dead

[KyuubiChakra]

I no but he wud not jus getup an start fightin again, but that not the point. the point is that Pein is the strongest livin nin an Jiraiya wud hav beeten him

[itachi0110]

ok but did he no he didn't there is no wut if's he lost drop it

[Naruto&Jiriaya]

pein did win I dont know if he would of won if jiraiya would have keep both of the frogs to help him but he did lose so i guess your right

[itachi0110]

yup well i think h would of won i mean he has more than won body so one body would lose not any of the others

[Tsugaga]

Jiraiya almost beat Pein. Pein is the strongest ninja and he also had some info on Jiraiya and Jiraiya had no Idea who he was fighting. Jiraiya almost beat Pein but when Jiraiya did his Chou Oodama Rasengan Pein Hit it back at Jiraiya and killed him. So that right there proves that Jiraiya and Pein are close to the same level of power and skill. So with that said Itachi would lose to Jiraiya.

[itachi0110]

umm jir did kno who pein was he trained him, i mean if u ask me pein is clear;y bette it doesn't matter if jit almost one he still lost

[vane]

I agree Jiraiya lost. But you are taking a lot of credit from him. He is close to one of the strongest characters on the show. Really yes he trained Nagato and Yahiko but other than that he didnt train Pein. Pein is something totally different. Jiraiya was fighting against an unknown enemy.

[Tsugaga]

umm jir did kno who pein was he trained him, i mean if u ask me pein is clear;y bette it doesn't matter if jit almost one he still lost

Jiraiya had no idea who Pein was. And I know he lost, what I am saying is that him and Pein r about the same level of power and skill so Itachi would lose to Jiraiya.

[vane]

I wont lie Pein isnt the best example to use for a reference. But yes Jiraiya is better anyways.

Also I am shocked. Almost every time I come back to this thread someone else votes for Itachi. That is just wack.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Also I am shocked. Almost every time I come back to this thread someone else votes for Itachi. That is just wack.

Wurd.

[vane]

Yeah I thought it was a funny word so I used it. :lol: :lmao:

[Smiley]

I wont lie Pein isnt the best example to use for a reference. But yes Jiraiya is better anyways.

Also I am shocked. Almost every time I come back to this thread someone else votes for Itachi. That is just wack.

Well it isn't that he can't beat any of the sennin, which is what the topic is about. :)
For what we know now, Jiraiya is the only sennin he can't beat.. Unless of course Tsunade surprises with her super-awesome techniques in the fight with Pain.

[vane]

Maybe. That is unconfirmed as of right now. But maybe.

[Kuro Nagashi]

Itachi all the way. Proof of this is the fact that Orochimaru stated that Itachi is stronger than he is, and becasue the three sanin are equal in strength, Itachi is stronger than all of them. And thats not even taking into consider Itachis never before seen Sasuno:itachi: :itachi: :itachi:

that is such a lie because pein is stronger than itachi and jirya killed one of peins bodys so that is proof that jirya could defeat itachi.

And also when sasuke and itachi were fighting and jirya stepped in jirya was in a winning position. therfore jirya could so kill itachi :jir:

[MinatoNamikaze]

ok you know, im not changing anyones opinion and noones changing mine (no hard feelings, I still think everyone who is debating against me are great:D :D .). But I think it is fair to say that this battle would be a play by play. If certain things happened, I admit Jiriya would win. However, if any of itachis attacks landed, It would go to itachi. And you have to admit, Jiriya wouldnt go unscaved. We arent talking about fighting a jonin, its Itachi, I believe he would be able to land a hit and thus win the fight. Obviously you think differently, no problem. I say we just leave the debate as inconclusive due to the fact that one of the two may get lucky or one could make a mistake and the other would win. I think it would be a wicked ass fight and would be very close. I say its a tie, and we would only really know if they ever fought. Fair enough? :itachi: = :jir: ( that ones for you Vane) Awsome debate :D :D :D :D

[hyuga_fan]

Itachi is only stronger than Orochimaru.
He isn't stronger than Jiraiya or Tsunade.
They both have summonings and Itachi does not.
Tsunade has her medical mark on her forehead that instantly heals everything.
Jiraiya, well...that's just obvious.
He has the power of perversion on his side...lol

[MinatoNamikaze]

Itachi is only stronger than Orochimaru.
He isn't stronger than Jiraiya or Tsunade.
They both have summonings and Itachi does not.
Tsunade has her medical mark on her forehead that instantly heals everything.
Jiraiya, well...that's just obvious.
He has the power of perversion on his side...lol

Well Im not going to argue about Jiriya cause that debates over, but I think everyone can agree Itachi could blow Tsunade out of the water summoning or not. Remeber Itachi beat orochimaru when orochimaru had a summoning. Sasuno

[hyuga_fan]

Tsunade can heal herself over and over.
Oro can't beat her.
He can't even use her fear against her, she overcame it.

[.:Bunny:.]

None of them, lawl.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

He can beat Orochimaru.
he already has.

[mangekyou913]

jiraiya would win probably
the others would lose
and when did oro lose to itachi in 5 sec?

[hyuga_fan]

jiraiya would win probably
the others would lose
and when did oro lose to itachi in 5 sec?

What are you talking about?
Itachi beat Orochimaru when Oro was in the Akatsuki.
Oro wanted his body and Itachi said no...with a fist and a bowl filled with Mangekyo!

[mangekyou913]

im srry if i did anything i just didnt know.

[hyuga_fan]

You really need to read the manga and catch up on some information that you may have missed...

[MinatoNamikaze]

Tsunade can heal herself over and over.
Oro can't beat her.
He can't even use her fear against her, she overcame it.

Tsunade cant heal herslef from an Amateratsu blast or Sasuno either. Itachi would beat her almost faster than he did Oro

[itachi0110]

the only one itachi can't beat is jiry

[MinatoNamikaze]

the only one itachi can't beat is jiry

I have to admit, I just reread the Jiriya vs Pein and I really did underestimate Jiriya. I didnt give him the credit he diserved. I think the battle would be very close and like Itahci said, both would probably end up dieing, but Jiriya is very strong. My stubborness is going to sound annoying to many of you (Vane:D ) but you have to remember that itachi wasnt even close to his prime. He hasnt even trained in god knows how long, and if he had an Eternal Mangekyou sharingan, than I think he would evn he able to surpass madara.

[inkgirl]

I think that Jiraiya could probably beat Itachi, and that Oro would loose. However, I think that Tsunade has a decent chance. I think that that could go either way, but I wouldn't count Tsunade out to quickly.

[Tsugaga]

Itachi can't beat Jiraiya. Oro would lose cause he can't fight the Sharingan and ran from Itachi. Tsunade has healing but even in her Souzou Saisei she would not be able to heal fast enough. Other than healing she has strength. Her strength alone would not beat Itachi. And I have said it before, Jiraiya can do his Swamp Jutsu, and his Fro mouth Jutsu to slow Itachi. And if Jiraiya also spit oil at Itachi theh that would slow him too and then if he would be set on fire if Jiraiya did a fire jutsu and Itachi would not be able to do a fire Jutsu cause he would set himself onfire.

[MinatoNamikaze]

I still have to disagree, Itachi's sharingan is incredibly underestimated

[rush rush]

Jiriya would win for sure

[vane]

I still have to disagree, Itachi's sharingan is incredibly underestimated

No its really not. I mean to be able to beat Orochimaru as easily as he does is something in itself. Most of agree that Itachi could beat Tsunade pretty easily aswell. But the whole Jiraiya ordeal is on a whole other level. Jiraiya has shown to be extremely strong. More than most. Also with the explantion on the last chapter of the sage arts, it adds to the knowldge on how strong Jiraiya is.

[Tsugaga]

Yeah. Jiraiya would win against Itachi

[MinatoNamikaze]

No its really not. I mean to be able to beat Orochimaru as easily as he does is something in itself. Most of agree that Itachi could beat Tsunade pretty easily aswell. But the whole Jiraiya ordeal is on a whole other level. Jiraiya has shown to be extremely strong. More than most. Also with the explantion on the last chapter of the sage arts, it adds to the knowldge on how strong Jiraiya is.

Ya, after rereading the Jiriya vs Pein chapters, I realized Jiriya is very strong. No doubt, but so is Itachi. His Mangekyou sharingan can be a real handful. It would be no mean be a blow out or even a sure thing either way. I think it would be safe to call it a tie becasue it would all depend on the circumstances of the battle. Did one of them land a lucky blow, or get caught off gaurd? Becasue if you of them made a mistake then the other one would capitalize on the others mistake and would finish the fight immediatly. A single mistake either way would be fatal. I think thats a far conclusion. What do you think Vane?

[vane]

Personally I think Jiraiya wins by Itachi running out of chakra. Jiraiya has many low costing jutsu. Itachi's game winning justu here are all extremely high costing. Also in this battle between 2 extremely smart shinobi there wouldnt be to many mistakes (if any). Also Kisame said Jiraiya might be a match for the #1 of the leaf (talking about Itachi) and one of the mist's 7 strongest. So in a 1 on 1 it would be much easier.

But Im not ehre to change opinions. Im here merely to explain my reasoning and defend that reasoning. So if you keep your opinion then its fine. I still think Jiraiya takes this.

[Tsugaga]

Yeah me too. It would not be a close battle. Itachi is overestimated cause of how calmly and easily he is when he fight foes weaker than him, but Jiraiya is way above Itachi. And that is not an overestimation.