Lee vs. Neji (OFFICIAL THREAD)

[WhiteFang]

Location: Open grassy field with sporadic trees and a lake nearby.
Distance: 10-20 meters.
Knowledge: Canon.
Abilities: As last seen in manga.
Disposition: In-Character. (Fighting to kill)
Restrictions: None.


Note: OP to be updated regularly alongwith manga.

[DracoPhoenix]

neji would win

[Tsugaga]

Yeah. Hey rush rush, think about it man. Yeah Lee has gates and incredible speed but Neji has rotation, Byakugan, gentle fist, Taijutsu, and some other really strong Jutsus. Not to mention, Lee has already lost to Neji more than one time.

[Peinsagod]

yeah but lee would be able to break rotation if he is going gate he would smash through the chakra and right into neji destroying him in a matter of seconds it would be way 2 easy and even if he couldnt break through rotation neji would have to stop doing it at some point so he could just wait and then attack at full speed and get neji before he could move

[Tsugaga]

That is a good point. But right after Neji's rotation is over and Lee gos in to attack wouldn't Neji be able to do gentle fist?

[Zepzune]

Okay, now heres my complicated way of explaining;

1st; Now, if it is a normal fight, with Le just using his taijutsu skills, nothing special. Then Neji wins, definatly.

2nd; If lee discards his weights, then Neji would still have a chance because of Byakugaun. But i think it would be close to a tie, or a tie.

3rd; If lee uses his gates and all that fancy stuff, then Lee would win. His immense power and speed is way more intense then Neji's, but, then theres something else included here too. If Neji [Lets just say, by some odd reason] is still good enough to fight afte the gates have been used, then Neji wins. Because Lee's muscles and limbs would be way to soar, and he would be unconcious pretty much. Neji would win.


Hope that wasn't to complicated :p

[Tsugaga]

Neji would be able to defend long enough until Lee is done with his gates.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

i think Lee couLd win !

he has the speed to bounce back from neji's attacks or defence !

it just depends on the damage infLicted by neji's jutsu's in defence !

[vane]

Really this fight is kinda if'y. Its about a 50/50 chance that either can win. Basically Lee isnt going to open a gate early on. There is the point that Neji would hit and close Lee's gates. But if Lee does open his gates early in the fight then he might win. And just to comment on someone else's post earlier. Lee can not break rotation with just strength alone. It wont happen. Roatation wont just be broke by a strong Taijutsu. But also to add to another point of the gates. Say if Neji was able to hit Lee while being hit when Lee does have gates open then Neji could hit Lee's gates and close them. So again, really close match. Just depending on who does what when.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Really this fight is kinda if'y. Its about a 50/50 chance that either can win. Basically Lee isnt going to open a gate early on. There is the point that Neji would hit and close Lee's gates. But if Lee does open his gates early in the fight then he might win. And just to comment on someone else's post earlier. Lee can not break rotation with just strength alone. It wont happen. Roatation wont just be broke by a strong Taijutsu. But also to add to another point of the gates. Say if Neji was able to hit Lee while being hit when Lee does have gates open then Neji could hit Lee's gates and close them. So again, really close match. Just depending on who does what when.

Agreed

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

But also to add to another point of the gates. Say if Neji was able to hit Lee while being hit when Lee does have gates open then Neji could hit Lee's gates and close them. So again, really close match. Just depending on who does what when.

i don't think neji can cLose the gates ! ! !

i mean neji is fast, but fast enough to hit Lee's tenketsu's when he's got the gates open ???

not that fast !

[Teh Bomb Bijuu]

I say lee...somone stated early on that Lee always lost to Neji,but Neji hasnt Fought Lee with his gates open. Really Lee doesnt need his gates. He could get drunk. Even Gai said when lee is drunk He couldnt stop him,aslo even if Lee opened his gates he would win. He stood toe to toe with Gai One on One.

[vane]

i don't think neji can cLose the gates ! ! !

The gates are just points in the body that are opened to increase the flow of chakra to certain parts of the body. They can be closed by a skilled Byakugan user who hits them correctly.

i mean neji is fast, but fast enough to hit Lee's tenketsu's when he's got the gates open ???

Neji is extremely fast at hitting points. His attack speed is really fast. But also Lee likes to hit his enemies simultaniously in the air while he has his gates open. It wouldnt be to hard to slip in a little gentle fist to close a gate and weaken Lee.

But as I have said this fight can easily go either way. Real if'y.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

The gates are just points in the body that are opened to increase the flow of chakra to certain parts of the body. They can be closed by a skilled Byakugan user who hits them correctly.

i didn't mean that it was impossibLe, just that neji isn't fast enough !

Neji is extremely fast at hitting points. His attack speed is really fast. But also Lee likes to hit his enemies simultaniously in the air while he has his gates open. It wouldnt be to hard to slip in a little gentle fist to close a gate and weaken Lee.

attack speed fast ???
weLL his hands are visibLe and to add to that his hands onLy move a short distance.
whereas Lee runs cirLes around peopLe and can't be seen ! with byakugan activated, the chakra network wiLL Look Like a bLur adding to the difficuLty.
neji is very skiLLed, but i doubt that he couLd Land a hit on Lee with 3-5 gates open, Let aLone a pin-point accurate hit !

But as I have said this fight can easily go either way. Real if'y.

true, it's yet to be decided whether or not, Lee wiLL get to the point where he opens the gates !

[rush rush]

I give this to Lee his speed his gates his tajutsu is to much for Neji to handle!

[Tsugaga]

Without the gates Lee would def lose but with them he might win. But if he went into the gates and in for an attack and got hit with rotation he would be done. While in the gates Lee can't afford to get hit.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

Even Gai said when lee is drunk He couldnt stop him,aslo even if Lee opened his gates he would win. He stood toe to toe with Gai One on One.

that's not the fuLL story

gai didn't want to hurt him

[rush rush]

Without the gates Lee would def lose but with them he might win. But if he went into the gates and in for an attack and got hit with rotation he would be done. While in the gates Lee can't afford to get hit.Agreed but if Lee was drunk Neji Would have a bloody death!

[Tsugaga]

Yeah.

[rush rush]

Yea Neji, Gai, and Tenten could not even hold Lee down when he was drunk!

[Tsugaga]

U sure about that? I thought they all got knocked out.

[rush rush]

Oh i don't realy remember the episode all that well.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

nah what happened was Lee accidentLy (i think) drank sake and from a sip, he got wasted !

then he started smashing the whoLe pLace apart !

and he was a naturaL at druken fist, he was very strong !

gai didn't want to hurt his beLoved student so he couLdn't use too much force to stop him. and neji probabLy foLLowed suit !

[Tsugaga]

I don't know about Neji and TenTen, but I know that Gai got knocked out and when he woke up the whole place was trashed. And yeah it was an accidental sip of Sake.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Lee has this in the bag.
The experssion on Neji's face during Lee's fight with Gaara says it all.
He had no idea Lee was that fast, nor did he know about the gates.

[Tsugaga]

Just cause Neji was surprised doesn't mean that he can't fight it. But I do think that this would be a close one.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

No, my point was he's fought Lee many times, and he never once saw his true speed.
And the only other person who shares Lee's speed is Sasuke and Gai.
I doubt he's fought Gai and I know he hasn't fought Sasuke.
Therefore would not be experienced in fighting that kind of speed.
I must point out that just because the Byakugan sees everything, doesn't mean it can't defend everything.

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

Neji owned Lee any time.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

No, my point was he's fought Lee many times, and he never once saw his true speed.
And the only other person who shares Lee's speed is Sasuke and Gai.
I doubt he's fought Gai and I know he hasn't fought Sasuke.
Therefore would not be experienced in fighting that kind of speed.
I must point out that just because the Byakugan sees everything, doesn't mean it can't defend everything.

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[Edge]

i think Lee owns this one

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

Hahaha.

On the contrary, my most beloved friend, I believe Neji has an impenetrable defense; imune to mere speed. He is, without doubt, smarter than Lee. You are in serious need of intellectual to overcome Neji's defense and his strategic attack system. Speed and brute strength alone shatter to an ultimate defense.

[Teh Bomb Bijuu]

that's not the fuLL story

gai didn't want to hurt him

No he had no choice remember becuz they were in A gen

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

A gen ???

i don't know, the anime differs from the manga so i'm confused as to which one to beLieve ! probabLy the manga so yea, somehow gai doesn't remember what happened.

that doesn't mean he was beat up though, he couLd have aLso been drunk !

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Hahaha.

On the contrary, my most beloved friend, I believe Neji has an impenetrable defense; imune to mere speed. He is, without doubt, smarter than Lee. You are in serious need of intellectual to overcome Neji's defense and his strategic attack system. Speed and brute strength alone shatter to an ultimate defense.

You seem to think Neji can somehow defend Lee's attacks.
If an automatic defense(bear in mind this was also inpenitrable) can't defend it what makes you think a manual defense would do any better?
Neji might be able to see Lee, but he won't be able to defend his attacks at that speed.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

^^ agreed !

i don't think kaiten wiLL do much good !

it takes neji aLot Longer to do a spin then it does for Lee to get to him

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Exactly.
Lee's too fast for neji to block.
With Kaiten at least, although I doubt he has the reaction time and speed to block without Kaiten as well.

[xhac]

I'm pretty sure his Eight Trigrams 128 palms can match Lee's speed.. if he can catch him in it tho.

[rush rush]

But neji would not be fast enough to get Lee!

[Muffin]

No, my point was he's fought Lee many times, and he never once saw his true speed.
And the only other person who shares Lee's speed is Sasuke and Gai.
I doubt he's fought Gai and I know he hasn't fought Sasuke.
Therefore would not be experienced in fighting that kind of speed.
I must point out that just because the Byakugan sees everything, doesn't mean it can't defend everything.

Actually Lee was beaten everytime by Neji. He was only surprised when Lee opened the 4th gate. The gates are the only thing that would win it for Lee. That's why he was even taught them because a sudden combo of attacks were the best method to beating Neji.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Actually Lee was beaten everytime by Neji. He was only surprised when Lee opened the 4th gate. The gates are the only thing that would win it for Lee. That's why he was even taught them because a sudden combo of attacks were the best method to beating Neji.

I never said he beat Neji.
My point was I doubt he fought Neji after acquiring such speed because Gaara's automatic defense was too slow, therefore it's crazy to assume that Neji's manual defense would be faster.

[rush rush]

So who are goin for?

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

you shouLd go for Lee ! ! !

[ghostrider]

i say its neji cause even if lee activates his gates if neji hits him with his 8 trigrams its all over for lee

[obito_uchiha_fan123]

id say neji cuz he is in the strongest clan in the leaf village. ;)

[Hyuuga Prince]

id say neji cuz he is in the strongest clan in the leaf village. ;)

i agree completly with u lol and if this was a literal fight to the death neji would win he could counter everything lee does not to mention close his gates wait scracth that if this was a fight to the death neji would easily use 64 palms on Lee b4 he could use gates and even if he doesnt close all he would close alot of the chakra flow not even allowing Lee to use Primary Lotus

So NEJI all the way

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

^^ are we totaLLy ignoring Lee's speed ?

if he opened the gates, wouLd neji be abLe to hit him ?

neji wouLd be on the defence, constantLy using kaiten tiL he got so tired the Lee wouLd knock him out !

[Jackums]

hmm. so many valid points.. i'ma say 50/50.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

^^ my feLLow austraLian !

do you have any points to share ?

[Jackums]

^^ my feLLow austraLian !

do you have any points to share ?

loll. haha. Um, well all of my points have pretty much been mentioned. But i guess i can try sum it up.
Lee has good taijutsu, and the gates, which will make him incredibly fast [obviously]. And Neji has Gentle fist, 64 palms, good taijutsu, & the byakugan. It seems that Neji takes this since he has a much wider variety of talents than Lee, but if Lee opens the gates, I'm not sure if Neji could keep up with him. He does have the byakugan & 64 palms, but i'm not sure if they would be enough to counter Lee's speed. If Neji manages to get a few gentle fist hits onto Lee, he can disable him, as long as he hits the right spots. I mean, the gates rely on Chakara, so if Neji can stop the flow of Lee's chakara with gentle fist, he pretty much has it won. But if Lee uses the gates somewhere near the beginning, it's very likely that Neji will lose. Either way, I say 50/50. :)

[SahnTeeAhGoh]

Hmm... I'd say Lee.

Now, if we look at the Gaara fight, we see that Lee lost, non? Well, compare Neji and Gaara in the same fight, Neji doesn't possess the speed, NOR does he possess the strength to disasmble and break the sand, unlike Lee.

Jounin are Ninja that are chosen by the village, and as we all see-Neji is a Jounin. Though you have to take it into consideration, he belongs to the strongest clan with in the village, and can also use Taijutsu and ninjutsu to a deceant level. Lee on the other hand is just a Kid outa nowhere who can't use Ninjutsu, but had the most Kick ass Tai next to his Sensei.

Though, that was in the past, all of it. The speed Lee was to have no would be to quick for Neji to see-even with his leg weights on. Lee can also fight witht he drunken fist, and when the drunken fist was used against Kimi. he was able to avoid a majority of the man who comes from a clan that believes in battle.

Lee would win-if not with his speed and strength, but with his gates.

[0ba]

If Neji manages to get a few gentle fist hits onto Lee, he can disable him, as long as he hits the right spots. I mean, the gates rely on Chakara, so if Neji can stop the flow of Lee's chakara with gentle fist, he pretty much has it won.Now way Neji wins this. Lee learnt the gates because of Neji.
Hitting the chakra holes blocks them and stops you from being able to mold chakra, it doesn't stop your chakra flow iirc. And Lee does no ninjutsu, so he doesn't need to mold chakra. So unless Neji hits his heart or something, he can't win once Lee removes the weights and opens the gates.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

^ i didn't know that Lee was shown to know any ninjutsu !

but yes, Lee takes this one !

[MinatoNamikaze]

Its close but I think neji has a major advantage. His byakugan can see lee in gate form coming from all directions.

[xx DoNt Sh0oT]

Its close but I think neji has a major advantage. His byakugan can see lee in gate form coming from all directions.

ya but the real question is can neji move fast enough to get out of the way or stop an attack... i dont see that happing thats why lee wins

[SahnTeeAhGoh]

^
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That right there is a good statement- the Sharigan works the same way, and the Byakugan is meant to see Chakra...Not movement.

[TheYellowFlash10]

Lee wins only if he can manage to open Gates, if not he most likely lose against Neji

[caleb08]

Lee because of his speed.
And his abilitie of the Gates.

[hyugamaster]

Why does everyone keep saying that Lee is better than Neji???
Neji is better in all aspects.
All Neji has to do is paralyze Lee and Lee's entire fighting style is wrecked.
All it is is a matter of paralyzing Lee.
I have faith in Neji...