Shikamaru vs. Sai

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ideas??

[Muffin]

Sai would destroy Shikamaru.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

No he wouldn't.
Most of Sai's painting lead back to him.
And even so, we don't even know the true extent of them so we can't truly tell.
But from what we know, Shikamaru would win this.
He's much smarter than Sai, and will quickly come up with a strategy to win.

[rush rush]

No he wouldn't.
Most of Sai's painting lead back to him.
And even so, we don't even know the true extent of them so we can't truly tell.
But from what we know, Shikamaru would win this.
He's much smarter than Sai, and will quickly come up with a strategy to winagreed

[xhac]

yes shikamaru is smarter, but he only has a limited number of jutsu that lack range, compared to sai, he can easily challenge shikamaru with his numbers and wear him out eventually. also, sai has the ability to stay in the air with his painted birds.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

yes shikamaru is smarter, but he only has a limited number of jutsu that lack range, compared to sai, he can easily challenge shikamaru with his numbers and wear him out eventually. also, sai has the ability to stay in the air with his painted birds.

I don't remember him ever flying.
Nor do I remember Sai's range ever exceeding Shikamaru.
NOR do I ever recall Sai being more than one person.

[xhac]

I don't remember him ever flying.
Nor do I remember Sai's range ever exceeding Shikamaru.
NOR do I ever recall Sai being more than one person.

my bad, i forgot those moves were in the anime fillers.. i totally put this in the wrong section =/
anyway, in one fight sai painted a bird and jus rode on it and when he got struck by his enemy, he jus melted into ink. about the range thing, sai can send his paintings to far places

[Muffin]

I don't remember him ever flying.
Nor do I remember Sai's range ever exceeding Shikamaru.
NOR do I ever recall Sai being more than one person.

Sai has ink Bushins. He can fly on a bird. He can use his tigers. Shikamaru cannot beat someone with range and summons he would be destroyed.

After all Sai's no dummy he was in root for a reason, he would easily beat Shikamaru.

[rush rush]

Shikamaru's is 100x smarter than sai so Shikamaru wins

[xhac]

Shikamaru's is 100x smarter than sai so Shikamaru wins

haha its not always liek that man. shikamaru can't win all his battles with just brains, and sai isnt that stupid either..
take shikamaru's battle with kakuzu and hidan. shikamaru was under so much pressure he couldn't think and asuma dies.

[rush rush]

Yea but he still wins the fight!

[Doctor Octogonapus]

haha its not always liek that man. shikamaru can't win all his battles with just brains, and sai isnt that stupid either..
take shikamaru's battle with kakuzu and hidan. shikamaru was under so much pressure he couldn't think and asuma dies.

Sai is hardly the same as Hidan and Kakuzu.
And Shikamaru turned around a few chapters later and killed BOTH of them.*


*He took out Kakuzu's heart, technically killing him.

[MinatoNamikaze]

No he wouldn't.
Most of Sai's painting lead back to him.
And even so, we don't even know the true extent of them so we can't truly tell.
But from what we know, Shikamaru would win this.
He's much smarter than Sai, and will quickly come up with a strategy to win.


Agreed

[Muffin]

Shikamaru couldn't do the same to what he did against Hidan. He will not be able to set up an entire trap for Sai in advance.

Sai would stomp Shikamaru into the ground. Unless Shikamaru can actually get right up to said and trap him which won't happen because Sai just has too many advantages over Shikamaru, Shikamaru just won't beat Sai.

[WhiteFang]

Shikamaru is a strategic genius. He was able to get Sai's monsters in the shadow possession fairly easily.. in the little scuffle they had. (feel free to correct me here coz I don't remember this quite well) And from the Hidan-Kakuzu battle we do know that Shika manages to get people in his shadow possession no matter what. Sai can't paint if he can't move his hands while in the shadow possession. Also, there is the fact that Shikamaru can hold multiple people at a time in in his shadow possession.

[hyuga_fan]

Ok if Shikamaru can capture Sai's little ink blots then he has this battle won. If not, then it is pretty difficult.

[Muffin]

Shikamaru is a strategic genius. He was able to get Sai's monsters in the shadow possession fairly easily.. in the little scuffle they had. (feel free to correct me here coz I don't remember this quite well) And from the Hidan-Kakuzu battle we do know that Shika manages to get people in his shadow possession no matter what. Sai can't paint if he can't move his hands while in the shadow possession. Also, there is the fact that Shikamaru can hold multiple people at a time in in his shadow possession.

He didn't trap them he used shadow tendrils to kill them. At which Sai could simply draw more. Shikamaru has never shown anything to combat anyone who has any kind of aerial ability. Sai's shown he can create large birds to fly on.

[rush rush]

Shikamaru's smarts shadow possesion jutsu and all his other jutsu would win him the battle

[Muffin]

Shikamaru's smarts shadow possesion jutsu and all his other jutsu would win him the battle

No he can't. He's not very strong at all by himself. He couldn't even beat Tayuya.

[WhiteFang]

He didn't trap them he used shadow tendrils to kill them. At which Sai could simply draw more. Shikamaru has never shown anything to combat anyone who has any kind of aerial ability. Sai's shown he can create large birds to fly on.

The bird is a good point. But Shikamaru eventually does get to his opponents. Sai can't stay in the air forever. And if he keeps attacking from above, it will be easier for Shikamaru to dodge or destroy the ink monsters using explosive tags. That, and Sai can't draw more if he gets in the shadow possession. And Shikamaru can use multiple shadow tendrils to kill many monsters.

[rush rush]

Still he would figure out a very smart plan to kill Sai!

[darkninjaIII]

shikamaru would win. hes too smart

[Zepzune]

Shikamaru;

1. Because he is VERY smart. His IQ is 200.

2. He is a very good Shinobi and has great Ninjutsu, and Taijutsu.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

He didn't trap them he used shadow tendrils to kill them. At which Sai could simply draw more. Shikamaru has never shown anything to combat anyone who has any kind of aerial ability. Sai's shown he can create large birds to fly on.

I don't remember Sai ever flying.
Also, he does have something.
The shadow created by the bird Sai will apparently be on, Shikamaru could probably do something with that.
And while we're on the subject.
If Shikamaru uses the shadow tendrils on the bird and destroys it, depending on the height of the bird and the area Sai's screwed, and once he hits the ground, Boom it's over.
So really, if Sai takes to the air he's throwing the match.


No he can't. He's not very strong at all by himself. He couldn't even beat Tayuya.

Worst possible opponent.
Had Tayuya had strings attached to those zombies, he would've easily won.
But he was fighting 4 on 1, well 3 on 1, then in the final moments of the fight he was fighting 1 on 1, exhausted from the 3 on 1 fight.
Like I pointed out months ago, the sole reason they did bad, was for the Sand Siblings to come in.
Neji, would have fought Tayuya, and as proved months ago, he wouldn't of done much better either, seeing how 3 out of 4 of his opponents are already dead.
Shikamaru would have most likely fought Kidomaru, because he was the leader, therefore should've been the last to go. But didn't because Neji needed some action and suspense screen time.
But of course, it happened so this is pretty redundant.
Now then, Shikamaru has improved a lot since then. His IQ is unmatched by anyone except his father(who btw should have more screen time because he could kick some serious ass if he had the chance to), as it was back then. Like Asuma said, he has potential to become Hokage, but(changing his words), he doesn't set his mind to anything. He's changed since Asuma died(we're in the manga section right?), he's more serious, sets his mind to things. He still pwned(poor choice of words but nonetheless true) Sai's ink creatures the first time he encountered them.
And while you said Sai would make some more, my response and Shikamaru's is still the same, he will repeat his previous action.
So then it just boils down to who uses the most chakra, and how long they can last.
We know Shikamaru doesn't have much chakra, but we also don't know how much chakra Sai has so we can't tell who will beat who in the ground attack.
While Shikamaru would beat Sai if he goes aerial which I doubt he will. While on the ground Shikamaru beats everything Sai throws at him so it's a matter of who runs out of chakra first.
Without knowing Sai's limits and Shikamaru's current limits we cannot make an informed decision on the outcome of the ground battle.

[Muffin]

I don't remember Sai ever flying.
Also, he does have something.
The shadow created by the bird Sai will apparently be on, Shikamaru could probably do something with that.
And while we're on the subject.
If Shikamaru uses the shadow tendrils on the bird and destroys it, depending on the height of the bird and the area Sai's screwed, and once he hits the ground, Boom it's over.
So really, if Sai takes to the air he's throwing the match.

Sai flew during the time when Naruto was going 4-tails.
And no he does not throw the match away because he can simply get out of range of the shadows and Shikamaru cannot beat him.

Worst possible opponent.
Had Tayuya had strings attached to those zombies, he would've easily won.
But he was fighting 4 on 1, well 3 on 1, then in the final moments of the fight he was fighting 1 on 1, exhausted from the 3 on 1 fight.
Like I pointed out months ago, the sole reason they did bad, was for the Sand Siblings to come in.
Neji, would have fought Tayuya, and as proved months ago, he wouldn't of done much better either, seeing how 3 out of 4 of his opponents are already dead.
Shikamaru would have most likely fought Kidomaru, because he was the leader, therefore should've been the last to go. But didn't because Neji needed some action and suspense screen time.
But of course, it happened so this is pretty redundant.
Now then, Shikamaru has improved a lot since then. His IQ is unmatched by anyone except his father(who btw should have more screen time because he could kick some serious ass if he had the chance to), as it was back then. Like Asuma said, he has potential to become Hokage, but(changing his words), he doesn't set his mind to anything. He's changed since Asuma died(we're in the manga section right?), he's more serious, sets his mind to things. He still pwned(poor choice of words but nonetheless true) Sai's ink creatures the first time he encountered them.
And while you said Sai would make some more, my response and Shikamaru's is still the same, he will repeat his previous action.
So then it just boils down to who uses the most chakra, and how long they can last.
We know Shikamaru doesn't have much chakra, but we also don't know how much chakra Sai has so we can't tell who will beat who in the ground attack.
While Shikamaru would beat Sai if he goes aerial which I doubt he will. While on the ground Shikamaru beats everything Sai throws at him so it's a matter of who runs out of chakra first.
Without knowing Sai's limits and Shikamaru's current limits we cannot make an informed decision on the outcome of the ground battle.

Just like Sai is a horrible match for Shikamaru. There are quite a few people Shikamaru has absolutely no chance against. Sai holds all advantages over Shikamaru, Aerial ability being the biggest one being able to keep out of reach of his shadows leaves Shikamaru beaten. If Shikamaru tries to think of a plan Sai can attack him without hesitation.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Sai flew during the time when Naruto was going 4-tails.
And no he does not throw the match away because he can simply get out of range of the shadows and Shikamaru cannot beat him.

The range of the shadow possession jutsu is the range of shadows.
However we do not know the range of the shadow slicers.
And what do you intend Sai does at that altitude anyway?
At that range Shikamaru could easily beat his attacks with simple shurikan.



Just like Sai is a horrible match for Shikamaru. There are quite a few people Shikamaru has absolutely no chance against. Sai holds all advantages over Shikamaru, Aerial ability being the biggest one being able to keep out of reach of his shadows leaves Shikamaru beaten. If Shikamaru tries to think of a plan Sai can attack him without hesitation.

And Shikamaru can defend without hesitation.
Sai is not a horrible match for Shikamaru.

[Muffin]

The range of the shadow possession jutsu is the range of shadows.
However we do not know the range of the shadow slicers.
And what do you intend Sai does at that altitude anyway?
At that range Shikamaru could easily beat his attacks with simple shurikan.

And Shadow possession has only shown that it gets opponents when they're on the ground. Never has it ever even come close to doing anything to someone who could fly. Seeing as they're part of the shadow possession, they cannot have unlimited range nor very long range. Sai can mass summon many of tigers unhindered by any of Shikamaru's attacks while waiting until Shikamaru has used up most of his chakra. While also throwing shurikens at that range.



And Shikamaru can defend without hesitation.
Sai is not a horrible match for Shikamaru.

And Shikamaru cannot think when under a lot of pressure. That leaves his IQ useless too. Sai has every advantage over Shikamaru which leaves him unable to attack while Sai has no limitations in his attacking capabilities.

[Bybo]

:) shikamaru is more smarter than sai
and he can catch sai with his jutsu and kill he
shikamaru is definitly more good than sai:)
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[0ba]

And Shadow possession has only shown that it gets opponents when they're on the ground. Never has it ever even come close to doing anything to someone who could fly. Seeing as they're part of the shadow possession, they cannot have unlimited range nor very long range. Sai can mass summon many of tigers unhindered by any of Shikamaru's attacks while waiting until Shikamaru has used up most of his chakra. While also throwing shurikens at that range.Well, then what you're saying is that the opponent might just fly away and leave his shadow behind? And you know how skilled he is with explosive tags and the fake scrolls as well.


And Shikamaru cannot think when under a lot of pressure. That leaves his IQ useless too. Sai has every advantage over Shikamaru which leaves him unable to attack while Sai has no limitations in his attacking capabilities.Wasn't he under alot of pressure against Tayuya? None of the other Konoha ninja would have had a chance against her in her CS2. And she had those creatures she was controlling earlier, and with his low chakra reserves, he still got that far. And she was along range fighter too, and found a way to get her close enough (faking getting caught in her genjutsu, missing the kunai, etc) All while under pressure. And he rescued Asuma once, getting Hidan out of the circle, but still...
Sai's done nothing to show he could be as good as Shikamaru is.