Kakashi & Gai vs. Pein

[**Marisa**]

what do you think?
it was in the newest spoilers (tho they seem fake)... It would be an awesome fight :)

[Super Luigi]

Pein would Kill wait let me rephase that DESTROY Gai & Kakashi

[WhiteFang]

Wow, Marissa-san, never thought you'd start a thread in the battledome xD.

Anyways... those spoilers were probably fake.. Muffin got new ones.

Now, to this fight.
At first glance, it definitely seems that Pein would destroy these two.
But, lets say if Gai opens 8 gates... they say it gives you power equivalent to that of a Hokage. Kakashi has a black hole. And then there's the secret....
It's very difficult to say really. But I'll be posting as I can think up more points.

[caleb08]

pein takes this one easy but to pein, kakashi and guy are nothing

[darkninjaIII]

Pein would Kill wait let me rephase that DESTROY Gai & Kakashi

Pein would win, but destroy? hmm... not so much. if you think about it gai and kakshi together are stronger than jiraiya, who did fairly well against pein considering he just jumped in there without knowing anything.

[Zepzune]

Pein would win, definatly. He has NEVER lost a battle, and lots of people even said that he was 'invincible'. The people who said this were;

Konan [Partner]
Madara Uchiha [Tobi]
And i even think Jiariya said it before he died.

[millard87]

Wow, Marissa-san, never thought you'd start a thread in the battledome xD.

Anyways... those spoilers were probably fake.. Muffin got new ones.

Now, to this fight.
At first glance, it definitely seems that Pein would destroy these two.
But, lets say if Gai opens 8 gates... they say it gives you power equivalent to that of a Hokage. Kakashi has a black hole. And then there's the secret....
It's very difficult to say really. But I'll be posting as I can think up more points.

Your right gai would probably be stronger then jiraiya who only died because he stopped to write the secret and kakashi could just sit their and make black holes that would be pretty hard to dodge while fighting gai. Therefore i think gai and kakashi would win and if not would come incredibly close to winning. Although pein does have 6 bodies.

[xxx4everscenexxx]

Pein Would Win!!! He'd Totally Kick Both Of Their Asses!

[ghostrider]

pein would easily win

[Kyoto]

kakashi and Gai would win i mean kakashi could beat him by hisself but Gai is a great support characters remember kakashi hokage lvl let start kakashi as stated by naruto who fought kiba has a better sense of smell than kiba this is a stronge factor on why he would take hinself and gai through victory since i strongly doubt that pain would do as kabuto did and cloak the complety smell of the dead bodies pain uses just as kiba used his nose to pick out the real naruto from the shadow clone kakashi would pick out the real pain from the dead differ copies but this would take a while gai would have to help kakashi out instead of just fighting the pain taijutsu person once kakashi has deturmine the real one he will make a plan to single out him follow by the fatal blow then we will see if kill the real one kill the rest if not the kakashi and gai are in big trouble
Now what i don't understand is why does it seem like yall try to derturmine who will win base on the characters strongest move?

[Kyoto]

Pein would win, definatly. He has NEVER lost a battle, and lots of people even said that he was 'invincible'. The people who said this were;

Konan [Partner]
Madara Uchiha [Tobi]
And i even think Jiariya said it before he died.

The only reason why he has never lost a battle is because no yet has figure out the secert behind his jutsu jiariya came did but then he had to figure out who the real one

[Smiley]

kakashi and Gai would win i mean kakashi could beat him by hisself but Gai is a great support characters remember kakashi hokage lvl let start kakashi as stated by naruto who fought kiba has a better sense of smell than kiba this is a stronge factor on why he would take hinself and gai through victory since i strongly doubt that pain would do as kabuto did and cloak the complety smell of the dead bodies pain uses just as kiba used his nose to pick out the real naruto from the shadow clone kakashi would pick out the real pain from the dead differ copies but this would take a while gai would have to help kakashi out instead of just fighting the pain taijutsu person once kakashi has deturmine the real one he will make a plan to single out him follow by the fatal blow then we will see if kill the real one kill the rest if not the kakashi and gai are in big trouble
Now what i don't understand is why does it seem like yall try to derturmine who will win base on the characters strongest move?


One big wtf.. :)
Kakashi doesn't have a better sense of smell than Kiba.
And no, even if he did, he can't smell out the real one, because they're all real.
It's not some cheap clone technique, they're all actual REAL bodies. Btw. even if it was kage bunshin, clones don't have a different smell `-.-

I'm giving this to Pain of course.
Eight-gates Gai can't take on all six Pains together. That's just too much. They have summons and stuff, it's not just a hand-to-hand combat. While he's dealing with ones, the others will take on Kakashi who can't fight and charge the black hole at the same time.
Even if he somehow manages to charge it, he can't get all six of them with one attack.. Besides he aims terribly.

[vane]

kakashi and Gai would win i mean kakashi could beat him by hisself but Gai is a great support characters remember kakashi hokage lvl let start kakashi as stated by naruto who fought kiba has a better sense of smell than kiba this is a stronge factor on why he would take hinself and gai through victory since i strongly doubt that pain would do as kabuto did and cloak the complety smell of the dead bodies pain uses just as kiba used his nose to pick out the real naruto from the shadow clone kakashi would pick out the real pain from the dead differ copies but this would take a while gai would have to help kakashi out instead of just fighting the pain taijutsu person once kakashi has deturmine the real one he will make a plan to single out him follow by the fatal blow then we will see if kill the real one kill the rest if not the kakashi and gai are in big trouble
Now what i don't understand is why does it seem like yall try to derturmine who will win base on the characters strongest move?

I think you should slow down a bit. I couldnt catch almost anything you typed here. None of it made sense and there are so many problems with what you wrote also. Smiley just answered a few of them but Im surprised that Smiley could actually make out what you were trying to say. Also just to add you should definetly start using periods. You know so you stop a sentence so it doesnt run on.

But I side with Pein for a few reasons. Basically Pein can revive himself. Also he has a massive amount of chakra to be able to summon all those beast's and to keep going and fighting like he did.

[Blaze The Poke Master]

pein would win 6 against 2

[Kyoto]

One big wtf.. :)
Kakashi doesn't have a better sense of smell than Kiba.
And no, even if he did, he can't smell out the real one, because they're all real.
It's not some cheap clone technique, they're all actual REAL bodies. Btw. even if it was kage bunshin, clones don't have a different smell `-.-

I'm giving this to Pain of course.
Eight-gates Gai can't take on all six Pains together. That's just too much. They have summons and stuff, it's not just a hand-to-hand combat. While he's dealing with ones, the others will take on Kakashi who can't fight and charge the black hole at the same time.
Even if he somehow manages to charge it, he can't get all six of them with one attack.. Besides he aims terribly.

I see you don't read the manga. Now kakashi does have a better sense of smell then kiba as it was stated by naruto. In the manga and anime during naruto and sakura second bell test. If you don't believe me check it out for your self second my bad smiley you are right their not clones.However, i don't know how to explain what they are. Furthermore, jiaryia pointed out during his fight that these are all people he has fought in the past and stated they were dead. Which is what confused him becuz why would they have pain's Rinnegan. So that mean pain is doing that think he did with itachi to slow down naruto,kakashi,sakura and the old chick. But instead he appling it in his battles using bodies then adding the Rinnegan giving them different skill and controling them.
Hope this makes sense srry about the early post vane.

[vane]

I see you don't read the manga. Now kakashi does have a better sense of smeel then kiba as it was stated by naruto. In the manga and anime during naruto and sakura second bell test. If you don't believe me check it out for your self second my bad smiley you are right their not clones.However, i don't know how to explain what they are. Furthermore, jiaryia pointed out during his fight that these are all people he has fought in the past and stated they were dead. Which is what confused him becuz why would they have pain's Rinnegan. So that mean pain is doing that think he did with itachi to slow down naruto,kakashi,sakura and the old chick. But instead he appling it in his battles using bodies then adding the Rinnegan giving them different skill and controling them.
Hope this makes sense srry about the early post vane.

And apparently you never attended a language arts, english class, or have studied proper grammer. Because if you had you would know how to use periods at the end of your sentences. So pointing out that someone doesnt read the manga is pointless in this case as the whole point to your point is invalid.

Yeah but if you take that as proof then that also means that Kakashi has better Taijustu then Gai and is smarter than Shikamaru and Kakashi's Sharingan is better than Sasuke's. But we all know none of that is true.

Shikamaru has an over 200 IO(my kyu button doesnt work).
Kiba's smell is 1000 times stronger than that of an ordinary person.
Gai has the best Taijutsu in the village for that is basically all he ever uses.
And Sasuke has 2 Sharingan which makes them stronger than Kakashi's and Sasuke doesnt get tired from useing his either.

So your whole point to that is pointless. Because Kakashi's sense of smell is not better than Kiba's.

[Smiley]

I see you don't read the manga. Now kakashi does have a better sense of smeel then kiba as it was stated by naruto. In the manga and anime during naruto and sakura second bell test. If you don't believe me check it out for your self second my bad smiley you are right their not clones.However, i don't know how to explain what they are. Furthermore, jiaryia pointed out during his fight that these are all people he has fought in the past and stated they were dead. Which is what confused him becuz why would they have pain's Rinnegan. So that mean pain is doing that think he did with itachi to slow down naruto,kakashi,sakura and the old chick. But instead he appling it in his battles using bodies then adding the Rinnegan giving them different skill and controling them.
Hope this makes sense srry about the early post vane.

Second bell test happened before Naruto met Kiba after the time skip.
Meaning that he knew nothing of the new, improved Kiba.
Take a short look at "Hunt for Uchiha" arc and you'll know that Kakashi's sense of smell cannot be better than Kiba's. Heck, even Kakashi made a comment that Kiba's sense of smell has surpassed his dogs.
Then answer me this: Why would they be using Kiba's sense of smell to follow Sasuke's scent if Kakashi's was better? That's a complete nonsense.

[Kyoto]

I think you should slow down a bit. I couldnt catch almost anything you typed here. None of it made sense and there are so many problems with what you wrote also. Smiley just answered a few of them but Im surprised that Smiley could actually make out what you were trying to say. Also just to add you should definetly start using periods. You know so you stop a sentence so it doesnt run on.

But I side with Pein for a few reasons. Basically Pein can revive himself. Also he has a massive amount of chakra to be able to summon all those beast's and to keep going and fighting like he did.

My bad about the typing. Now pain can't revive his self he can switch bodies its almost like what the the female ninja does to naruto in the shippuuden filler epsiode 68-69. Second each Rinnegan host will share the same vision. Meaning what one Pain views, all his other bodies also view, even if their vision is damaged. So yes that work fighting one person but he fight two kakashi and gai so if gai attack one pain and kakashi attacking another. Won't the pains get confused. They would win i don't feel everyone fully taking in all the aspect of this fight. Also i don't see ninja in naruto summoning all crazy like it just happen once and a while. So to say pain would do that doesn't make sense. I think pain would underestamiate kakashi and Gai. Which would be the main reason why he would lose.

[Smiley]

My bad about the typing. Now pain can't revive his self he can switch bodies its almost like what the the female ninja does to naruto in the shippuuden filler epsiode 68-69. Second each Rinnegan host will share the same vision. Meaning what one Pain views, all his other bodies also view, even if their vision is damaged. So yes that work fighting one person but he fight two kakashi and gai so if gai attack one pain and kakashi attacking another. Won't the pains get confused. They would win i don't feel everyone fully taking in all the aspect of this fight. Also i don't see ninja in naruto summoning all crazy like it just happen once and a while. So to say pain would do that doesn't make sense. I think pain would underestamiate kakashi and Gai. Which would be the main reason why he would lose.

Yes, he can revive his bodies. Read the manga.
And yes, what one Pain can see, the others can as well, but that doesn't confuse them, it's an advantage. He sees everything he would normally see from his point of view, but at the same time knows what the others have in their sight as well.

[Kyoto]

Second bell test happened before Naruto met Kiba after the time skip.
Meaning that he knew nothing of the new, improved Kiba.
Take a short look at "Hunt for Uchiha" arc and you'll know that Kakashi's sense of smell cannot be better than Kiba's. Heck, even Kakashi made a comment that Kiba's sense of smell has surpassed his dogs.
Then answer me this: Why would they be using Kiba's sense of smell to follow Sasuke's scent if Kakashi's was better? That's a complete nonsense.

OK that english comment hurt lol but whatever. Granted kakashi sense of smell may not be better than the new and improved time skip Kiba. But it was better than the kiba before the time skip. Either way kakashi has a strong sense of smell

[Pokemon God]

pein all the way

[Kyoto]

Yes, he can revive his bodies. Read the manga.
And yes, what one Pain can see, the others can as well, but that doesn't confuse them, it's an advantage. He sees everything he would normally see from his point of view, but at the same time knows what the others have in their sight as well.

No he can not revive his bodies. And yes i did read the manga you need to look over the manga again. Pain summons the other host bodies to fight alongside him. And if he can revive his bodies why is one body in konha getting experiment on. Also he doesn't see from his point of view went jiaryai was fight none of them was the real pain. So the real one was hiding while the other bodies where fighting. The real pain was controling. If you watch carefully all the fake pain keep surrounding jiaryai like a camra from different angles

[Smiley]

OK that english comment hurt lol but whatever. Granted kakashi sense of smell may not be better than the new and improved time skip Kiba. But it was better than the kiba before the time skip. Either way kakashi has a strong sense of smell

..That can't help him to beat Pain.

No he can not revive his bodies. And yes i did read the manga you need to look over the manga again. Pain summons the other host bodies to fight alongside him. And if he can revive his bodies why is one body in konha getting experiment on. Also he doesn't see from his point of view went jiaryai was fight none of them was the real pain. So the real one was hiding while the other bodies where fighting. The real pain was controling. If you watch carefully all the fake pain keep surrounding jiaryai like a camra from different angles

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/08/
On this picture we see Jiraiya killing off three of Pain's bodies.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/14-15/
On this one we see all six Pains, healthy and alive standing.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/16/
Toad says that Pain somehow healed the bodies they had just killed.

So, as long as he has at least one living body, he can heal the others.
The reason he can't heal the body that is in Konoha now, is most likely because he can't reach it.

[Kyoto]

..That can't help him to beat Pain.



http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/08/
On this picture we see Jiraiya killing off three of Pain's bodies.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/14-15/
On this one we see all six Pains, healthy and alive standing.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/16/
Toad says that Pain somehow healed the bodies they had just killed.

So, as long as he has at least one living body, he can heal the others.
The reason he can't heal the body that is in Konoha now, is most likely because he can't reach it.

Ok he can revive his bodies. Nevertheless, if kakashi used his sense of smell to locate the real pain. Then him and Gai kill the real pain they win so his sense of smell play a huge factor in the battle. I mean the rest will be useless if you kill the original. That was the whole point of the message the real one isn't there.

[Smiley]

1. We don't even know if the "final body" exists.(although the message hints to that)
2. They don't know if the final body exists.
3. Even if they did they don't know how it smells.
4. Kakashi doesn't have that much advanced sense of smell.
5. Even if it wasn't for the 4 points above, 6 Pains wouldn't let Kakashi go and look for the final body. He would die long before he finds it.

[rush rush]

Ok people lets use some logic here Jiriya could beat Kakashi and Gai in a battle right and Jiriya lost to Pein so Pein can beat both of them there done

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok people lets use some logic here Jiriya could beat Kakashi and Gai in a battle right and Jiriya lost to Pein so Pein can beat both of them there done

Agreed

[Hashirama]

Pein is God.

[rush rush]

Pein is not a god he just got lucky enough to get the ringean i probably spelled the name wrong but whatever

[Hashirama]

Pein is not a god he just got lucky enough to get the ringean i probably spelled the name wrong but whatever

No, he is God, and Rinnegan is a tool of god. ;)

[Kyoto]

1. We don't even know if the "final body" exists.(although the message hints to that)
2. They don't know if the final body exists.
3. Even if they did they don't know how it smells.
4. Kakashi doesn't have that much advanced sense of smell.
5. Even if it wasn't for the 4 points above, 6 Pains wouldn't let Kakashi go and look for the final body. He would die long before he finds it.

1. The fact that they hinted that factor through the message mean the final body does exist.
2.It not the fact of know how it smell. But the factor the pain clearly is using dead host bodies. This is why i used the kabuto fight in my earlier post. When Kabuto try to kill sasuke he hide the scent of the dead anbu so kakashi would realise there dead. Now the knowledge tthat pain would also do that is low.
3. Kakashi does have an advance sense of smell if naruto compare him to chuuin exam kiba who's nose got him in a frozen state just becuz naruto farted.
4. Kakashi can easily make shadow clone of him self or of him guy while the both attack the real pain.
5. And if your really not feeling kakashi sense smell skill he has nin-dogs, And I'm sure gai can hold on 6 ninja and same goes for kakashi.

[Kyoto]

Ok people lets use some logic here Jiriya could beat Kakashi and Gai in a battle right and Jiriya lost to Pein so Pein can beat both of them there done

Hold on jiaryia can't beat kakashi and Gai. Maybe be gai by himself but not both. To be honest i don't even think he can take kakashi down easily.

[Smiley]

1. The fact that they hinted that factor through the message mean the final body does exist.
2.It not the fact of know how it smell. But the factor the pain clearly is using dead host bodies. This is why i used the kabuto fight in my earlier post. When Kabuto try to kill sasuke he hide the scent of the dead anbu so kakashi would realise there dead. Now the knowledge tthat pain would also do that is low.
3. Kakashi does have an advance sense of smell if naruto compare him to chuuin exam kiba who's nose got him in a frozen state just becuz naruto farted.
4. Kakashi can easily make shadow clone of him self or of him guy while the both attack the real pain.
5. And if your really not feeling kakashi sense smell skill he has nin-dogs, And I'm sure gai can hold on 6 ninja and same goes for kakashi.

I don't understand your point. How're they gonna find Pain's final body if they don't know how it smells?
And as for
5.) No, Gai can't handle all six of them. And if necessary Pain can have 5 bodies fight Gai and one to prevent Kakashi from looking around.

Also, the message hints to that but it doesn't necessarily mean that the final body exists. If it does, we don't know if it's reachable, until proven otherwise.

[rush rush]

Um Kyoto a made a thread in Kakashi and Gai vs. Itachi most people thought Itachi would win and if thats the case then how ould those two defeat Pein?

[caleb08]

Pein is not a god he just got lucky enough to get the ringean i probably spelled the name wrong but whatever

it is spelled Rinnegan!

[rush rush]

Oh ok

[Smiley]

Um Kyoto a made a thread in Kakashi and Gai vs. Itachi most people thought Itachi would win and if thats the case then how ould those two defeat Pein?

Ok people lets use some logic here Jiriya could beat Kakashi and Gai in a battle right and Jiriya lost to Pein so Pein can beat both of them there done

No chains.

[rush rush]

^ why no chains

[Kyoto]

I don't understand your point. How're they gonna find Pain's final body if they don't know how it smells?
And as for
5.) No, Gai can't handle all six of them. And if necessary Pain can have 5 bodies fight Gai and one to prevent Kakashi from looking around.

Also, the message hints to that but it doesn't necessarily mean that the final body exists. If it does, we don't know if it's reachable, until proven otherwise.

Ok if pain uses dead host bodies then the real one controling them. If kakashi smell these guys are dead then he know to find the real one. Why would he go on fight the dead ones.

Also what stoping kakashi from make shadow clone with out pain finding out he did it to the fake itachi. Which is said to have the same skill as the original. Now last time i check sharrigun can tell the differents between a shadow clone and the original. So if kakashi skill enough to fool a skilled sharrigun user why can't how fool one without sharrigun.

[Kyoto]

Um Kyoto a made a thread in Kakashi and Gai vs. Itachi most people thought Itachi would win and if thats the case then how ould those two defeat Pein?

What hell how did that go down when both guy and kakashi have extended knowledge on sharrigun. Plus chiyo( the old chick from the sand village0 said the way to beat a sharrigun user is two against one that was a threa d full of you know.

[Smiley]

^ why no chains

Because they can't be used to prove anything.
I've said and explained several times already.
It doesn't work that way in shinobi world.

Ok if pain uses dead host bodies then the real one controling them. If kakashi smell these guys are dead then he know to find the real one. Why would he go on fight the dead ones.

Also what stoping kakashi from make shadow clone with out pain finding out he did it to the fake itachi. Which is said to have the same skill as the original. Now last time i check sharrigun can tell the differents between a shadow clone and the original. So if kakashi skill enough to fool a skilled sharrigun user why can't how fool one without sharrigun.

What makes you think that all Pains have the same smell?
And a couple of more stuff.
Pain's final body might not exist.
Beating the Pain's final body doesn't mean that the others will die too.
You don't know the powers of Pain's final body, therefore you can't just say that Kakashi will just find him and kill him.
Pain's finally body if it exists may be buried 5000m underground, may be on the Moon, we don't know it and we can't judge the fight by that.

And I'm sure that you can't prove wrong any of the stuff I wrote above.
Until it's confirmed in manga, that it exists, its powers and location you can't use Pain's final body as a factor in this fight.

[Kyoto]

Because they can't be used to prove anything.
I've said and explained several times already.
It doesn't work that way in shinobi world.



What makes you think that all Pains have the same smell?
And a couple of more stuff.
Pain's final body might not exist.
Beating the Pain's final body doesn't mean that the others will die too.
You don't know the powers of Pain's final body, therefore you can't just say that Kakashi will just find him and kill him.
Pain's finally body if it exists may be buried 5000m underground, may be on the Moon, we don't know it and we can't judge the fight by that.

And I'm sure that you can't prove wrong any of the stuff I wrote above.
Until it's confirmed in manga, that it exists, its powers and location you can't use Pain's final body as a factor in this fight.

that bull what was the whole point of the hint if PFB(pain final body) does not exist pain fianl body power is to control the host body

I fully understand what your saying but every shippuuden fight so far the ninja alway had some godly power jutsu and there was always a trick to how it work.
Now based on what your saying doesn't fall in naruto world which means pain can't be die or lose so in the next mangas pain will destroy konha end capture naruto which will end naruto all together becuz pain can't die which i feel is bull

the final body is a huge factor in this battle real pain is the final body and he alive. Kakashi and Gai are not going to waste there time fighting pains five or six dead human puppets there going after the real one. and kakashi will fool pain by make shadow clones of him and guy and pain going to have his puppets fight the shadow clones not realising that their shadow clones until they poof. By that time kaashi and guy would have found the real pain. That does not smell like a corpus and kill him and the jutsu will end. Now if it doesn't naruto will be full of bull turning into a wack manga.

[Smiley]

that bull what was the whole point of the hint if PFB(pain final body) does not exist pain fianl body power is to control the host body

I fully understand what your saying but every shippuuden fight so far the ninja alway had some godly power jutsu and there was always a trick to how it work.
Now based on what your saying doesn't fall in naruto world which means pain can't be die or lose so in the next mangas pain will destroy konha end capture naruto which will end naruto all together becuz pain can't die which i feel is bull

the final body is a huge factor in this battle real pain is the final body and he alive. Kakashi and Gai are not going to waste there time fighting pains five or six dead human puppets there going after the real one. and kakashi will fool pain by make shadow clones of him and guy and pain going to have his puppets fight the shadow clones not realising that their shadow clones until they poof. By that time kaashi and guy would have found the real pain. That does not smell like a corpus and kill him and the jutsu will end. Now if it doesn't naruto will be full of bull turning into a wack manga.

The real Pain might live on Mars.
The real Pain might live on bottom of Pacific.
The real Pain might be the strongest ninja ever and stronger than Gai and Kakashi together. I'm not saying that he is, but you should understand my point. Until we see the final body, until its location, strength, and until other details are told to us(through manga) it cannot be used as a factor.

Also, shadow clones die after one hit.

[rush rush]

^ smileys right

[Kyoto]

The real Pain might live on Mars.
The real Pain might live on bottom of Pacific.
The real Pain might be the strongest ninja ever and stronger than Gai and Kakashi together. I'm not saying that he is, but you should understand my point. Until we see the final body, until its location, strength, and until other details are told to us(through manga) it cannot be used as a factor.

Also, shadow clones die after one hit.

Ok that was funny.
ok but kakashi can kill all six or five pains with zabuza's Kirigakure no Jutsu(hidden mist) followed by the silent killing jutsu

[rush rush]

Don't underestimate Pein Kakashi could not kill all six peins!

[Kyoto]

yes he can you don't want to accept it.

[rush rush]

Pein is as strong as yondaime who nows maybe even stronger and if that were the case that Kakashi could kill all six Peins then Jiriya would not be dead!

[Kyoto]

Pein is as strong as yondaime who nows maybe even stronger and if that were the case that Kakashi could kill all six Peins then Jiriya would not be dead!

What that make no sense kakashi was not with jiaryia one. Two if kakashi doe sthe mist jutsu followed by the slient killing jutsu he would pick each pein off one by one. Boom kakashi and Gai win. If anyone can tell me how pein can beat that adding to the factor that pein doesn't know kakashi can do this. And mostly will not realise what going on. Peins would just die team jouin win. Plus in not adding gai as a factor.

[rush rush]

What that make no sense kakashi was not with jiaryia one. Two if kakashi doe sthe mist jutsu followed by the slient killing jutsu he would pick each pein off one by one. Boom kakashi and Gai win. If anyone can tell me how pein can beat that adding to the factor that pein doesn't know kakashi can do this. And mostly will not realise what going on. Peins would just die team jouin win. Plus in not adding gai as a factor.I meant when Jiriya fought Pein and Jiriya died.And a simple water jutsu will not kill Pein!

[vane]

Kyoto you need to stop while your ahead. First you got proven wrong about the finding the real Pein. Now your saying Kakashi alone can beat Pein? I hate to say that is about the (I dont have any other way of putting it) dumbest thing I have ever heard. Almost as dumb as saying someone from the Naruto world can beat Gogeta. Well maybe not the dumbest but still pretty close. Kakashi doesnt have the stamina nor does he have the capability to defeat Pein.

[caleb08]

Kyoto you need to stop while your ahead. First you got proven wrong about the finding the real Pein. Now your saying Kakashi alone can beat Pein? I hate to say that is about the (I dont have any other way of putting it) dumbest thing I have ever heard. Almost as dumb as saying someone from the Naruto world can beat Gogeta. Well maybe not the dumbest but still pretty close. Kakashi doesnt have the stamina nor does he have the capability to defeat Pein.

agreed pein would tear him apart he has powers beyond imagine, pein's hell state alone could probably wipe out konoha

[rush rush]

^Not Konaha but i agree with you on everything else

[vane]

Well Im not saying he can take out all of Konoha by himself but he took down all of Amegakure by himself. Includeing the great Hanzou the Salamander all by himself.

[Kyoto]

Kyoto you need to stop while your ahead. First you got proven wrong about the finding the real Pein. Now your saying Kakashi alone can beat Pein? I hate to say that is about the (I dont have any other way of putting it) dumbest thing I have ever heard. Almost as dumb as saying someone from the Naruto world can beat Gogeta. Well maybe not the dumbest but still pretty close. Kakashi doesnt have the stamina nor does he have the capability to defeat Pein.

No it is not honestly think about it pein is basicly six ninja with different skills. One i didn't get proven wrong about the real pein. The only think is confusing me is your knowledge on pein. I mean really i see pein as one single ninja who jutsu can use dead host bodies with the rinnegan. So each body that Pain shares also wields the Rinnegan. When Pain summons the other host bodies to fight for him, each Rinnegan host will share the same vision. Meaning what one Pain views, all his other bodies also view, even if their vision is damaged. By increasing the number of Rinnegan host bodies on the battlefield, Pain will increase the number of viewing angles and eliminate any potential blind spots. Simply put he has dead bobies fight for him instead get into the battle himself. However it seems like yall think pain a god a can't die. But Kakuzu stated it himself no one truly immortal there always some trick. The fact on first encounter pain going to summon is dumb. Kakashi silent kill jutsu so a jutsu i see no flaw in so let their ins't a final boby. If kakashi does that how can pain counter that at all. He doesn't even know about thaty jutsu. He has fought kakashi or gai. So he at a disadvanage. While konha has one pain dead body and a ninja from the rain village. So your tell me that kakashi and gai with all their skill and knowledge about the pain can't be him. When a pain mostly knowledge is their konha jounin, kakashi MS. And with naruto look like the person he has to capture. Wow pain really prepare for the fight.

[Smiley]

Basically you're saying that Kakashi alone can beat Pain. Which is pretty.. well.. silly.

So your tell me that kakashi and gai with all their skill and knowledge about the pain can't be him. When a pain mostly knowledge is their konha jounin, kakashi MS. And with naruto look like the person he has to capture. Wow pain really prepare for the fight.


They no nothing about Pain.
Even if silent homocide somehow works on one Pain(which I doubt) the other five will definitely manage to avoid it.

[rush rush]

Kyoto face it Pein wins

[WhiteFang]

Basically you're saying that Kakashi alone can beat Pain. Which is pretty.. well.. silly.

:lmao:


They no nothing about Pain.
Right now they don't. They will eventually find out though. ;)


Even if silent homocide somehow works on one Pain(which I doubt) the other five will definitely manage to avoid it.

Exactly.

I didn't say too much on this thread before as any "Vs Pein" thread is essentially pointless at this point.

Pein is unbeatable till they figure out that deciphered code.
Currently, no one, no matter how strong can beat Pein.
The reason is simple, his bodies will keep coming back.

[Nara]

rofl, kakashi cant really do much agaist pein lets be honest. He can barely use his MS without being useless, so maybe he'll catch one pein in a blackhole, so now its gai vs pein. Umm, no gai would never be able to kill pein. Pein would pwn them soo hard.

[Kyoto]

Kyoto face it Pein wins

I'm just say they will not lose it would be a crazy battle. For the record kakashi won't have to use MS. I mean really the biggest problem would have been Cylinder Body Two the Fuuma Ninja he did all the summons he in konha getting cut up. So that leave Cylinder Body the Waterfall Ninja he does close range taijutsu and jiaryai knock that dude on his butt with a powerful kick. So what do you think Gai would do to him. Then you got the weird Cylinder Body guy who fire its limbs in a missile-like fashion. Both Gai and kakashi are fast enough to dodge that with ease. Then you got Cylinder Body Six the Grass Ninja he absorb chakra/ elements attacks. If need which i doubt MS will suck him up because you can't absorb a black hole. The only problems i see is the new female Cylinder Body. Which kakashi would think of a way to beat. Also the Cylinder Body that apparent has the ability to resurrect the dead. Being he was the one we saw doing it or could have done it.
I feel for all you pain lover you should be only counting factor that we have seen pain doing and not factor that we think pain can do.

[Kyoto]

rofl, kakashi cant really do much agaist pein lets be honest. He can barely use his MS without being useless, so maybe he'll catch one pein in a blackhole, so now its gai vs pein. Umm, no gai would never be able to kill pein. Pein would pwn them soo hard.

First, that is bull we don't know how many time kaashi can fully use MS. I think kakashi can use MS 6 or more. And if dare say he can't i will prove you wrong.v.v

[Smiley]

First that bull would don't know how many time kaashi can fully use MS. I think kakashi can use MS 6 or more. And if dare say he can't i will prove you wrong.v.v

No.
First off he needs much time to charge it.
He'll die long before it's charged if he's dumb enough to try to use it agaisnt 3 opponents. (and he isn't).
And from what we've seen 2 times is max, after it, he'll be completely out of chakra and will spend next few weeks in hsopital.

[Kyoto]

No.
First off he needs much time to charge it.
He'll die long before it's charged if he's dumb enough to try to use it agaisnt 3 opponents. (and he isn't).
And from what we've seen 2 times is max, after it, he'll be completely out of chakra and will spend next few weeks in hsopital.

LOL i had to be you. First no he does not first of all when he use it the third time on Deidara. I believe neji made the statement we are not going to make it. Then kakashi quick turn it on and stop the explode clay bomb. Then when trying to get to sasuke before tobi after tenzo split the earth. Kakashi turn it on like nothing to use on tobi.

Now as for what you seen i think you miss the part where he summon nin-dogs,did a Raikiri, headhunter jutsu, and also spliting his chakra in half twice then did three MS one hitting it mark the other miss and another to save his comrades all in one day. So just saying he can only do two make you way off.

[Muffin]

LOL i had to be you. First no he does not first of all when he use it the third time on Deidara. I believe neji made the statement we are not going to make it. Then kakashi quick turn it on and stop the explode clay bomb. Then when trying to get to sasuke before tobi after tenzo split the earth. Kakashi turn it on like nothing to use on tobi.

Now as for what you seen i think you miss the part where he summon nin-dogs,did a Raikiri, headhunter jutsu, and also spliting his chakra in half twice then did three MS one hitting it mark the other miss and another to save his comrades all in one day. So just saying he can only do two make you way off.

No he only used it twice against Deidara. First time hitting his arm, then he used it to suck up the exploding bushin. And he's not the only one who missed all that stuff he did in one day i don't even remember it, page link kthx

[Smiley]

No he only used it twice against Deidara. First time hitting his arm, then he used it to suck up the exploding bushin. And he's not the only one who missed all that stuff he did in one day i don't even remember it, page link kthx

Actually, he did use it three times, I've just checked.
First one sucked up Deidara's hand.
Second one did nothing.
Third one sucked up the explosion.

Plus, the first one took like 4-5 chapters to charge.
And at the end, even though Kakashi had help of team Gai and Naruto, Deidara survived.
If one of Pain's bodies loses a hand, it's not a big deal.

[Kyoto]

Actually, he did use it three times, I've just checked.
First one sucked up Deidara's hand.
Second one did nothing.
Third one sucked up the explosion.

Plus, the first one took like 4-5 chapters to charge.
And at the end, even though Kakashi had help of team Gai and Naruto, Deidara survived.
If one of Pain's bodies loses a hand, it's not a big deal.

OK did read what i wrote at all. I could see if he did use any chakra then did MS three and past out but he used mad chakra before he did MS. And in one day first when they left out early in the morning he summon his nin-dogs to locate Sasori scent. Then on they way to get Gaara they met up with a fake itachi. In that battle he did a Raikiri which take up 1/4 of his chakra along with sharrigun. In additon, he did headhunter then made a shadow clone which is divide equal so his chakra was cut in half. Then while chasing Deidara he had to make another shadow clone and do headhunter again due to Deidara tactic to sparate him from naruto. So he cut his chakra in half again. Then preform MS three time and we know how much chakra that takes. So just try to imgaine how many time he can do MS with all of his chakra.

And yes it did take a while to do MS before but now he can instanly turn it on. If you don't believe me here is the proof
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/11/

[Nara]

Regardless, hes going to use up charka fighting pein, hes not just going to use his MS like a retard and shoot it all over the place. In this fight kakashi is useless lets just say that. Deidra survived his MS after fighting Garra so how do you think Kakashi will do against pein. I dont even think kakashi's MS will even touch pein, let alone anything else he does.

[Kyoto]

This bull so far I've put up many reason why kakashi with Gai help would be able to defeat pain base on what i have seen in the manga and yet no one has give any factor none at all why pain would win. But stupid logic saying he pain he would win. So until i get a clear and detail reason instead of bias veiw. Kakashi and Gai beat Pain

[Smiley]

OK did reafd what i wrote at all. I could see if he did use any chakra then did MS three and past out but he used mad chakra before he did MS. And in one day first when they left out early in the morning he summon his nin-dogs to locate Sasori scent. Then on they way to get Gaara they met up with a fake itachi. In that battle he did a Raikiri which take up 1/4 of his chakra along with sharrigun. In additon, he did headhunter then made a shadow clone which is divide equal so his chakra was cut in half.

All those stuff don't matter because they happened on a day before Kakashi used his MS.
His chakra was at 100% the day they fought Deidara.

Then while chasing Deidara he had to make another shadow clone and do headhunter again due to Deidara tactic to sparate him from naruto. So he cut his chakra in half again. Then preform MS three time and we know how much chakra that takes. So just try to imgaine how many time he can do MS with all of his chakra.

Link please?

And yes it did take a while to do MS before but now he can instanly turn it on. If you don't believe me here is the proof
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/11/

He could've charged it on his way there, he knew Amaterasu was around the place ever since they fought Tobi in the forest.

Even if he charges his MS, at best, he'll be able to suck up one of the Pains.

[Kyoto]

What you said
All those stuff don't matter because they happened on a day before Kakashi used his MS.
His chakra was at 100% the day they fought Deidara.

{Me}No they did not better yet you tell me the chater they stop to rest show a new day. Here where they get to the sand village
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/253/10/
go ahead i will wait the chapter and page good luck:lol: :lol:

YOU_Link please?
ME
http://watchanimenow.com/video/naruto-shippuden-25/
it wasn't done in the manga but he did it in the anime so he only split his chakra once if you only count the manga

YOU_He could've charged it on his way there, he knew Amaterasu was around the place ever since they fought Tobi in the forest.

ME- That's bull and you know i hate when people are proven wrong and are to subborn to admit it. If they didn't show him charge it then he didn't. I mean realy it to five chaters before because he was low on chakra

Even if he charges his MS, at best, he'll be able to suck up one of the Pains

their no charge stupid

[Smiley]

{Me}No they did not better yet you tell me the chater they stop to rest show a new day. Here where they get to the sand village
go ahead i will wait the chapter and page good luck:lol: :lol:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/12/
The picture shows them sleeping.
And it happened after Kakashi/Itachi fight.


it wasn't done in the manga but he did it in the anime so he only split his chakra once if you only count the manga

Only manga counts.
And he did not split his chakra in manga.
Unless you count Itachi/Kakashi fight that happened a DAY BEFORE..


ME- That's bull and you know i hate when people are proven wrong and are to subborn to admit it. If they didn't show him charge it then he didn't. I mean realy it to five chaters before because he was low on chakra

No, I'm not stubborn.
My point is, even if he activates his MS, if he's lucky he'll suck up one of the Pains.

their no charge stupid

I'll pretend that I haven't read this, and won't report you.
Don't be an ass.
Now let's have a nice quite debate, no insulting.

[rush rush]

You get him smiley wooooohooooooooo

[Kyoto]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/12/
The picture shows them sleeping.
And it happened after Kakashi/Itachi fight.

One how can anyoe gain all their chakra in one day two i kakashi is not resting so even he regain chakra it would much of anything

Only manga counts.
And he did not split his chakra in manga.
Unless you count Itachi/Kakashi fight that happened a DAY BEFORE..

Like i say that not enough time to regain the chakra he lost.

No, I'm not stubborn.
My point is, even if he activates his MS, if he's lucky he'll suck up one of the Pains.

My piont is he won't activite MS just because he has it kakashi and guy have such a large inventory of skill. While pain only has one skill for each body.

I'll pretend that I haven't read this, and won't report you.
Don't be an ass.
Now let's have a nice quite debate, no insulting.

Ok my bad but that fact the it clearly show he activite it insantly. Then you make a bull statement saying he charge it before hand make no sense.

[Smiley]

It's a possibility.
But I'm telling you it doesn't matter.
After two attempts he was barely able to suck up Deidara's hand.
If he's lucky, after 3, which is his max, he'll send one out of six Pains to other dimension.
And then Gai is left to deal with the remaining five, which he cannot possibily handle.

[Kyoto]

It's a possibility.
But I'm telling you it doesn't matter.
After two attempts he was barely able to suck up Deidara's hand.
If he's lucky, after 3, which is his max, he'll send one out of six Pains to other dimension.
And then Gai is left to deal with the remaining five, which he cannot possibily handle.

Forget the MS for the last time. Kakashi would not use it on pain.However, if he did thebody clyinder that suck up chakra would jump in the way then he would die. Leaving the to just get their butt kick. The one who used taijutsu Gai would easily take him out. With those two gone the oh pain body would easily be taken out.

Since you keep factoring MS in then MS if used at all would be used on the pain that suck up chakra. That one down. Gai take on taijutsu body and since he the only one that we have seen fight close range. Then I can safely say he the only one who can fight close range. The others can't fight close range. So they would easily die. So kakashi and Gai win.

[rush rush]

You keep saying Gai can keep take a pein out easily its not that simple for you to belive me i must tell you this piece of info Pein has this elemant that he made its called destruction and he could easily destroy alot of things including Kakashi and Gai and even if that does not work all six Peins would summon there six summonings and destroy Kakashi and Gai!

[Smiley]

Forget the MS for the last time. Kakashi would not use it on pain.However, if he did thebody clyinder that suck up chakra would jump in the way then he would die. Leaving the to just get their butt kick. The one who used taijutsu Gai would easily take him out. With those two gone the oh pain body would easily be taken out.

Since you keep factoring MS in then MS if used at all would be used on the pain that suck up chakra. That one down. Gai take on taijutsu body and since he the only one that we have seen fight close range. Then I can safely say he the only one who can fight close range. The others can't fight close range. So they would easily die. So kakashi and Gai win.


After Kakashi's black hole sucks up the ninjutsu-absorbing Pain, Kakashi's out of the game and Gai is left with 5 Pains.
So you're saying that Gai will beat the close-combat one and others can't do anything cause their aren't specialized in close range? :]
First off, they aren't gonna stand aside and let Gai fight the close-combat Pain.
Second off, even if Gai beats him, he is still left to deal with 4 Pains, of them having multiple summons(we have to count this guy and not the new female Pain because her abilities are unknown to us), the other being able to deatach parts of his body and shoot them at his opponent.
Gai can't beat 5 Pains.
Kakashi and Gai lose.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Im sorry but like usual I agree with smiley. If there was just one body then maybe, but six is too much. Some people even think Miant couldnt beat him, which I dont believe, but if Mianto cant, gai adn kakshi dont stand a chance.

[rush rush]

Yea agreed!

[MinatoNamikaze]

thank you:D

[Kyoto]

that so much bull right there we have seen Gai and Kakashi fight. Even this deep in the manga and we still dont know there fully skill. Now pain base on what i've seen cant be them number dont matter at all each boby has one skill so far. ONE SKILL stop add factor in your he that dont exist. Only body could have restore the other dead one ONE body
So until i get a detail point on how the fight will go with kakashi and gai losing they won. NOT becuz im be stubborn but becuz with each body showing only one skill that just not enough to beat kakashi and gai. if jariya had a anbu only one backin him up he would be dead i promise you that.Pain suck i dont know why you guy r suck him off but he suck. He doesnt fight him self he sent puppet to fight for him. AND FOR THE LAST TIME IF KAKASHI GONNA USE MS IT WOULD BE ON THE ONE WHO SUCK UP NINJUTSU. THAT ALL STOP TALKIN BOUT MS LIKE IT IS HIS ONLY MOVE.

[Katsumi]

Well, maybe Gai can win just cuz Pein is by his side.
Yeah, Kakashi can get all pwned off.

...
Which is sad.:(
Lol

[Kyoto]

After Kakashi's black hole sucks up the ninjutsu-absorbing Pain, Kakashi's out of the game and Gai is left with 5 Pains.
So you're saying that Gai will beat the close-combat one and others can't do anything cause their aren't specialized in close range? :]
First off, they aren't gonna stand aside and let Gai fight the close-combat Pain.
Second off, even if Gai beats him, he is still left to deal with 4 Pains, of them having multiple summons(we have to count this guy and not the new female Pain because her abilities are unknown to us), the other being able to deatach parts of his body and shoot them at his opponent.
Gai can't beat 5 Pains.
Kakashi and Gai lose.
PLEASE READ THIS THEN WITH LOGIC EXPLAIN HOW PAIN WIN ANY1
OMG he not out of the game one MS that it we already agree he can use three so he has two left. An MS take a extremely large amount of chakra.
So he good two last time i see you didnt read or you 4got but any the multiple summon he die he the one in konha so he not a factor. SO already that three down the ninjust suck out/ the summoners out and you said dont count the girl so three down. Next gai take out tajutsu body easily. I said easily becuz jus gave him a good kick and he was put on his butt. So just think bout wat guy would do. Then since kakashi has his sharrigun on he going after the one who fire his arm lik rockets.The one i think bring back the dead is not going to be doing anything. He mostly likily got hide untill he needed. His present will be know by kakashi why becuz kakashi always knows.
(but that just my opinion he may not know he's there) ok kakashi dodges the missle arms hits that guy wit a rakir he done the girl not a factor the healer got to bring ppl back to life now he the problem if he get to kakashi n guy bring all they got kakashi make a plan kill the healer they do gai got his gates just in case knowin kakashi he will play back after that want the healer gone it all over nin jutsu sucker get another MS or if not wanting to waste chakra will be isolate from the rest so through smarts and effort they win most likly they be in the hospital but they win

[Katsumi]

That was a loooong text to read.
So the final answer is?

OH SORRYYYYY
I MISUNDERSTANDED THE TITLE.
Is Kakashi & Gai vs. Pein.. no Kakashi vs. Gai & Pein.

Erhm, Pein. xD

[linksmolecules]

All of you clowns and or kids are both inept and uneduacted-kakashi has ninja hounds kiba has one dog-so Naruto was right kakashi has the ability to smell better once he has summoned his ninja hound, as far as intelligence that is debatable.

[DeathAngel]

Pein has 6 different bodies and each body represents 1 path. Each Pein has his/her own special abilitities. So the new female Pein is probably specialized in summoning techniques(like the dead one).

I'd say Kakashi and Gai cannot beat Pein. The reasons are stated below:

Firstly, Pein massacred Amagakure and killed Hanzou the Salamander ALL ON HIS OWN. Hanzou was the leader of Amagakure who defeated the great Sannins. I'm pretty sure Kakashi and Gai are unable to do that.

Secondly, Pein possesses Rinnegan, which is said to be God's tool. Rinnegan has the power to create and destruct. It has several unique and powerful abilities, e.g. it allows its possessors to share their visions, control and use different types of chakra, and see insivible barriers which cannot be seen with naked eyes. We don't even know if Rinnegan has more abilities.

From what we've seen and all the informations we can get from the manga, Kakashi and Gai cannot beat Pein. Pein is invincible and cannot be defeated for the time being, because his secrets still remain unrevealed.