Itachi and Sauske vs. Minato (The 4th Hokage)

[Anthony Sky]

Ok we have already established that Minato is stronger then Jiriya but is he strong enough to take on two sharingan users and win for we all seem to agree that Sasuke and Itachi would win in a fight with Jiriya and people no one or two word answer give proof why one would win

[Kyoto]

Minato would kill them both for itachi would die protecting sasuke then sasuke would be left lost on how to take on his new oppent that it i mean really lets be real what can sasuke really do the third didn't even want to fight the fourth a big factor i think evrybody forget is suprize Minato would have more information on the uchinha then sasuke and itachi would have on him

[Smiley]

Minato.. But not for the reasons stated above.
If you think about it, Itachi's MS can't do a thing against him.
Hiarshin > All of their techniques, including Sasuke's kirin or Susano'o.
All he needs to do is do some preparations before fighting. (throw kunai over the battlefield so he can teleport later).
'Course this may change when we find out more about Sasuke's MS but for now definitely Minato.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Everyone knows Im a huge as Itahci fan so this may be a bit of a shock , but I would have to give it too Minato at this point in time.

Reasons:

Sasuke is far too weak to assist Itachi

Minato was either in or very close to his prime, while Itachi and sasuke are 6 -8 years away from their prime.

Although Itachi and sasukes sharingans would go a long way. Im not sure if it can track minatos body flicker or not so they would have to use mangekyou sharingan. Their best bet becasue they are not in their prime would be combinations of sasuno for defence adn its sword for offence. Minato couldnt get them while they are in sasuno so they could be launching amateratsus at him while they do so while also using sasunos sword. Now I dont want to debate over whether Minato could avoid amateratsu or not becasue we dont know amateratsus real speed and we never will so lets not argue. Itachi would have to keep minato running with his kunai body flicker thing and wait till he runs out of kunai. At that point the brothers would win. However if Minato was able to avoid all of the Amateratsus, sasunos, tsukiyomis and other jutsus such as the chidoris, kirin (which would be a major factor in the fight with sasuno) and other regular jutsu, then Minato would win because the brothers would be out of chakra.

However put everyone in their prime Sasuke and Itachi would be take it because they are both fairly strong and could more than double their powers by that time, especialy sasukes whos sharingans will have even surpassed Itachis at that point.

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Everyone knows Im a huge as Itahci fan so this may be a bit of a shock , but I would have to give it too Minato at this point in time.

Reasons:

Sasuke is far too weak to assist Itachi

Minato was either in or very close to his prime, while Itachi and sasuke are 6 -8 years away from their prime.

Although Itachi and sasukes sharingans would go a long way. Im not sure if it can track minatos body flicker or not so they would have to use mangekyou sharingan. Their best bet becasue they are not in their prime would be combinations of sasuno for defence adn its sword for offence. Minato couldnt get them while they are in sasuno so they could be launching amateratsus at him while they do so while also using sasunos sword. Now I dont want to debate over whether Minato could avoid amateratsu or not becasue we dont know amateratsus real speed and we never will so lets not argue. Itachi would have to keep minato running with his kunai body flicker thing and wait till he runs out of kunai. At that point the brothers would win. However if Minato was able to avoid all of the Amateratsus, sasunos, tsukiyomis and other jutsus such as the chidoris, kirin (which would be a major factor in the fight with sasuno) and other regular jutsu, then Minato would win because the brothers would be out of chakra.

However put everyone in their prime Sasuke and Itachi would be take it because they are both fairly strong and could more than double their powers by that time, especialy sasukes whos sharingans will have even surpassed Itachis at that point.

Minato can avoid amaterasu with Hirashin.
Tobi managed to do so with his time/space jutsu, Minato can do the same.
He only has to throw a couple of kunai around the battlefield, to mark it with jutsu-shiki, so he could teleport instantly later.
And yes, Minato can get to them when Itachi uses Susano'o. How? Hirashin.
He only has to force Itachi to walk over the spot he marked with jutsu-shiki, then teleport inside the barrier and kill him.
And the sealing-sword(forgot its name)Minato can easily avoid with teleporting around.

And then there's the unavoidable kirin. If we assume that Hirashin allows 4th to move at the speed of light (as Vain convinced me on the other thread) then avoiding it wouldn't be a problem for him either.

And one more thing, Sasuke doesn't have amaterasu.. It only triggered on Madara.. he can't use it anymore. (until he does, it's considered that he can't).

[MinatoNamikaze]

Minato can avoid amaterasu with Hirashin.
Tobi managed to do so with his time/space jutsu, Minato can do the same.
He only has to throw a couple of kunai around the battlefield, to mark it with jutsu-shiki, so he could teleport instantly later.
And yes, Minato can get to them when Itachi uses Susano'o. How? Hirashin.
He only has to force Itachi to walk over the spot he marked with jutsu-shiki, then teleport inside the barrier and kill him.
And the sealing-sword(forgot its name)Minato can easily avoid with teleporting around.

And then there's the unavoidable kirin. If we assume that Hirashin allows 4th to move at the speed of light (as Vain convinced me on the other thread) then avoiding it wouldn't be a problem for him either.

And one more thing, Sasuke doesn't have amaterasu.. It only triggered on Madara.. he can't use it anymore. (until he does, it's considered that he can't).


Madara didnt avoid amateratsu with body flicker.

Minato cant teleport inside Sasuno, its a barrier. particles cant pass through it, until it happens we have to assume he cant.

Minato wouldnt litter the battle field with kunai, when would he have time. FIghts happen in the blink of an eye, he wouldnt have time to.

He may be able to move faster than kirin but he couldnt react in time. Kirin would hit him before he could activate his jutsu.

And Minato would only have so many kunai. constant swinging of sasunos sword, amateratsus, tsukiyomis and kirins, etc would make him run out of them quikcly and them the fight would be over in Itahics and sasukes favor.

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Madara didnt avoid amateratsu with body flicker.

Minato cant teleport inside Sasuno, its a barrier. particles cant pass through it, until it happens we have to assume he cant.

Minato wouldnt litter the battle field with kunai, when would he have time. FIghts happen in the blink of an eye, he wouldnt have time to.

He may be able to move faster than kirin but he couldnt react in time. Kirin would hit him before he could activate his jutsu.

And Minato would only have so many kunai. constant swinging of sasunos sword, amateratsus, tsukiyomis and kirins, etc would make him run out of them quikcly and them the fight would be over in Itahics and sasukes favor.


No, I'm not referring to body flicker, but time/space jutsu. There's the difference.
Body flicker is basically really fast moving. Time/space jutsu is an instant teleportation.
For example. Let's take a real-life example.
If Minato wanted to break into someone's house, he couldn't use body flicker, hence he can't break through the walls. But with time/space jutsu he can just teleport inside.(assuming that he marked a certain spot with jutsu-shiki)
Same is with Susano'o. And..
Hence Hirashin is Minato's speciality he most likely has many of those.
Even if he doesn't, jutsu-shiki mark still exists even after he teleports, so I'm guessing that he can teleport on the same spot as many times as he wants..

[Kyoto]

i think this battle is over since every keep giving reason why Minato would win

Just cuz i feel bad if we are just going by move we know the have then the Uchiha would win becuz fly thunder god can be easily dodged with sasuke speed by timing it right right after the Minato kuni get close sasuke could move out the way the itachi does Amaterasu killing Minato

[rush rush]

Sasuno:Preety much makes Itachi die
amaterasu:blinds Itachi note:Minato can dodge it
And Sauske dies in the first minute of the battle and Itachi would not be able to see Minato (even with the sharingan) if Minato uses his jutsu where he would be able to move very fast!

[vane]

I have seen a couple decent points brought up. So I will add my 2 cents.

When the battle first starts a lot of shinobi usually start off by throwing a few kunai and shuriken. So Minato starts off by throwing 4 2 at eash Uchiha. Now there is a little taijutsu thrown in here. Then the ninjutsu's come out. Now Minato throws a couple more shurikan and Kunai. Say probably another 4 and we will say that is all Minato will carry on him at that point in time. So now Minato has 8 points to instantly teleport to at any point in time that he feels necissary. Now if Sasuke uses Kirin Minaro can dodge as soon as he see's the first sign of attack. If Itachi uses Amaterasu he can teleport away. If Itachi uses Susanoo Minato can avoid very easily. That leaves Tsukiyomi. Which I highly doubt would work as Minato isnt going to look into either's eyes. Those are all the Uchiha's game winning jutsu. Also just to add Minato is also capable of applying his jutsu shiki to random things. Example the rock nins foot in Kakashi Gaiden. So Im sure it can be placed upon other things.

Sasuke isnt going to be fast enough to react to something that is faster than the speed of light basically. Itachi isnt going to be able to hit Minato while in mid flight through time/space. And thats not even includeing all of Minato's (aswell as Itachi's and Sasuke's) minor jutsu.

So to finish. Minato was known for being capable of takeing out whole armies in a matter of seconds. So you narrow the armies down to just 2 stronger shinobi you have about the same progress.

[rush rush]

Yes i made that point in a different thread to just not as detailed Minato is just to strong he can travel faster than the speed of light which is a humoungus advantage that would probably win him the battle alone!

[MinatoNamikaze]

Yes i made that point in a different thread to just not as detailed Minato is just to strong he can travel faster than the speed of light which is a humoungus advantage that would probably win him the battle alone!

True but Itahcis counter is sasuno. Sasuno was able to counter Kirin which is just as fast as Minato. That seems to be Minato only ace in the whole. With that gone, it may be closer than you think

[rush rush]

Minato is a very strong ninja he can pull this off his speed jutsu is just a small simple jutsu he can use some of his stronger techniques like rasengan or summoning and Minato is not an idiot he can find a way to win this or slip out of a situation

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

True but Itahcis counter is sasuno. Sasuno was able to counter Kirin which is just as fast as Minato. That seems to be Minato only ace in the whole. With that gone, it may be closer than you think
Yes but the problem with Susanoo is that it sucks up alot of chakra (heck it basically finished itachi Off) so all Minato would have to do is lay low until it wore off as Itachi can't hold it indefinately. Also remember that Minato was Naturally fast even without his Flying Thundergod jutsu.

[rush rush]

Yes but the problem with Susanoo is that it sucks up alot of chakra (heck it basically finished itachi Off) so all Minato would have to do is lay low until it wore off as Itachi can't hold it indefinately. Also remember that Minato was Naturally fast even without his Flying Thundergod jutsu.

Thank you!

[Muffin]

True but Itahcis counter is sasuno. Sasuno was able to counter Kirin which is just as fast as Minato. That seems to be Minato only ace in the whole. With that gone, it may be closer than you think

The speed of light > the speed of lightning. Minato is faster than Kirin. Susanoo is useless in this fight, Itachi has to be able to actually catch Minato to make any use from it seeing as how Minato can just teleport away and clip his toenails waiting for Itachi to cark it.

Minato has more than Hiraishin no jutsu. He has the dead demon sealing, Rasengan and Gamabunta. It's just that Hiraishin is all thats needed for Minato.

[MinatoNamikaze]

The speed of light > the speed of lightning. Minato is faster than Kirin. Susanoo is useless in this fight, Itachi has to be able to actually catch Minato to make any use from it seeing as how Minato can just teleport away and clip his toenails waiting for Itachi to cark it.

Minato has more than Hiraishin no jutsu. He has the dead demon sealing, Rasengan and Gamabunta. It's just that Hiraishin is all thats needed for Minato.

Rasengan wouldnt work with sahringan and sasunos defence dead demo seal kills and Itachi counters with amateratsu (which would make Itachi win) and Gamabunta is far to slow for Sasuno. He is such a huge target and Itachi only needs to scratch him and its over. Plus Gambunta takes a hell of alot of chakra too.

Also remeber Mianto needs seals to teleport and he only has so many kunai so he cant use them forever.

Oh and by the way for the science major hear who think light travel faster than lighting, please check your science textbook

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Rasengan wouldnt work with sahringan and sasunos defence dead demo seal kills and Itachi counters with amateratsu (which would make Itachi win) and Gamabunta is far to slow for Sasuno. He is such a huge target and Itachi only needs to scratch him and its over. Plus Gambunta takes a hell of alot of chakra too.

He can avoid Amaterasu with Hirashin.
I've explained this already.
If Tobi's time/space jutsu could, Minato's can as well.
Same thing with Susano'o.
He only has to make Itachi walk over a jutsu-shiki marked spot, teleport inside the Susano'o barrier and kill him.


Also remeber Mianto needs seals to teleport and he only has so many kunai so he cant use them forever.

He doesn't need hand signs.. At least he hasn't been shown doing them. (I could be wrong).
A couple of kunai is enough to avoid everything they throw at him.
Let's say five of them.
Think of it this way.
The battle starts.
Minato throws five kunai in five different directions.
Spots that are hit with kunai are now marked with jutsu shiki.
He can teleport on any of these spots numerous times.

Oh and by the way for the science major hear who think light travel faster than lighting, please check your science textbook

It's true.
The speed of light > The speed of lightning
http://van.physics.uiuc.edu/qa/listing.php?id=533

[MinatoNamikaze]

He can avoid Amaterasu with Hirashin.
I've explained this already.
If Tobi's time/space jutsu could, Minato's can as well.
Same thing with Susano'o.
He only has to make Itachi walk over a jutsu-shiki marked spot, teleport inside the Susano'o barrier and kill him.

Ya but if hes activates Dead demon seal (or whatever its called) then there is not point in avoiding it cause the demon already seals his sole whether he gets itachi or not. Amateratsu only prevents itachi from dieng to.

And particles dont travel through bariers in real life. So Mianto cant teleport trough bariers.

He doesn't need hand signs.. At least he hasn't been shown doing them. (I could be wrong).
A couple of kunai is enough to avoid everything they throw at him.
Let's say five of them.
Think of it this way.
The battle starts.
Minato throws five kunai in five different directions.
Spots that are hit with kunai are now marked with jutsu shiki.
He can teleport on any of these spots numerous times.

Do you think itachi allone wouldnt figure out that thats where he will teleport to. Adding to that sasuke as well. itachi is not an idiot, infact from what weve seen, he is neck and neck with shikamaru at least.

It's true.
The speed of light > The speed of lightning
http://van.physics.uiuc.edu/qa/listing.php?id=533

lol Im not even going to ask where you got that link from that fast :D lol jks

Anyway I was refering to the light givin off not the actaul disharge of electrons lol but VERY good counter :D

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Ya but if hes activates Dead demon seal (or whatever its called) then there is not point in avoiding it cause the demon already seals his sole whether he gets itachi or not. Amateratsu only prevents itachi from dieng to.

Are you referring to soul reaper demon jutsu or the sealing-sword on Susano'o?


And particles dont travel through bariers in real life. So Mianto cant teleport trough bariers.


They don't have to travel THROUGH the barrier.
Hirashin gives him the ability to teleport INSTANTLY inside the barrier.
So, he doesn't move at all, basically.



Do you think itachi allone wouldnt figure out that thats where he will teleport to. Adding to that sasuke as well. itachi is not an idiot, infact from what weve seen, he is neck and neck with shikamaru at least.

And what does he get by figuring out that?
Minato can still teleport on those spots, even if Itachi knows that he can.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Are you referring to soul reaper demon jutsu or the sealing-sword on Susano'o?

Im refering to the reaper one, everyone has a different name for it it seems. The one he used on Kyubi.



They don't have to travel THROUGH the barrier.
Hirashin gives him the ability to teleport INSTANTLY inside the barrier.
So, he doesn't move at all, basically.

Well his particles have to get there somehow. In teleportation, ones matter/particles are broken up and the refused on the other side. Thats why they vanish. Well thats what the scientist believe and are working towards.



And what does he get by figuring out that?
Minato can still teleport on those spots, even if Itachi knows that he can.

If he knows where hes going to to reappear then he can direct an attack or forum another plan to catch him. remember itachis smart :D

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Im refering to the reaper one, everyone has a different name for it it seems. The one he used on Kyubi.

Well, he isn't going to use it.
He can beat them without it.


Well his particles have to get there somehow. In teleportation, ones matter/particles are broken up and the refused on the other side. Thats why they vanish. Well thats what the scientist believe and are working towards.

Well, I dunno about that, I'm not a scientist XD
I think that he moves in a different space/time once the jutsu is activated.
Name of the jutsu indicates that as well.



If he knows where hes going to to reappear then he can direct an attack or forum another plan to catch him. remember itachis smart

He doesn't know. If there are five spots on that he can teleport, Itachi won't know which one he'll choose.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Well, he isn't going to use it.
He can beat them without it.

Your right he wont use it. He would only use it to save konoha.


Well, I dunno about that, I'm not a scientist XD
I think that he moves in a different space/time once the jutsu is activated.
Name of the jutsu indicates that as well.

It is possible it he teleports by traveling through dimensions to get inside however. like if he opened one outside and inside. But thats the only way and we will never know so theres no point in debating this :D


He doesn't know. If there are five spots on that he can teleport, Itachi won't know which one he'll choose.

No but the spots are all close because they will all be on the battle field. That measn that if he teleports to one and they guess wrong then they can get to the other one and gte him fast. .