Uchiha vs Senju

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok idk about this one. The senju toook over Konoha but that doesnt mean there stronger. They had a stronger leader, thats why I belive they took over. So who do you think would win.

I would say its a tie most of the time, but Uchiha would take it every once in a while.

[darkninjaIII]

i say uchiha. only because i dont know anything about the entire senju clan.

[MinatoNamikaze]

ya and where are they. I dont think we have seen the actual clan at all. I could be wrong but I dont remember seeing them in Konoha

[Muffin]

Senju were either just as strong or as strong as Uchiha's.

Keep in mind Hashirama defeated the strongest of the uchiha's by himself. While the leader of the uchiha was much, much stronger than the rest of his clansman.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Senju were either just as strong or as strong as Uchiha's.

Keep in mind Hashirama defeated the strongest of the uchiha's by himself. While the leader of the uchiha was much, much stronger than the rest of his clansman.

True but madara would be much stronger than the senuj clansmen too

[Muffin]

True but madara would be much stronger than the senuj clansmen too

Ok..?

Hashirama would be stronger than the rest of the Uchiha's what's your point?

On average Senju were even. But because Hashirama was stronger than Madara the Senju are stronger than Uchiha's.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok..?

Hashirama would be stronger than the rest of the Uchiha's what's your point?

On average Senju were even. But because Hashirama was stronger than Madara the Senju are stronger than Uchiha's.

True, but the Uchiha have Itachi. Madara and Itachi beat the whole Uchiha clan. This measn that Itachi and Madara > Hashirama and becasue we agreed the clansmen are equal, then Uchiha woudl win becaue Itahci and madara could help the rest of the clan afterwards. Also sasuke coudl be added to fight hashirama and/or the regular clansmen. So Uchiha>Senju

[Muffin]

True, but the Uchiha have Itachi. Madara and Itachi beat the whole Uchiha clan. This measn that Itachi and Madara > Hashirama and becasue we agreed the clansmen are equal, then Uchiha woudl win becaue Itahci and madara could help the rest of the clan afterwards. Also sasuke coudl be added to fight hashirama and/or the regular clansmen. So Uchiha>Senju

Ok if we're bringing in every single Senju then let's see who else the Senju has:

Hashirama > Madara (who is essentially a stronger Itachi).
Nidaime > Itachi
Sarutobi > Sasuke
Tsunade > whoever the hell else you wanna add

Then there's the people we can't be sure were Senju people like the 4th (who is arguably a descendant of Senju), Danzou, the advisers, Kakashi, Kakashi's father, Orochimaru, Jiraiya. Basically anyone who was born in Konoha who isn't part of a clan is possibly a descendant of Senju.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok if we're bringing in every single Senju then let's see who else the Senju has:

Hashirama > Madara (who is essentially a stronger Itachi).
Nidaime > Itachi
Sarutobi > Sasuke
Tsunade > whoever the hell else you wanna add

True your right there. I shouldnt have added Itahci I really meant from the begining of Konoha.

But I woudl say Itachi > Nidaime

Purly becasue he is old Sasuke > or = Sarutobi (but in his Prime Sasrutobi slaughters sasuke for sure)

BUt yes tsunade would be the wild card. I woudl still give it to Senju because 1st > Madara and then you add tsunade into the mix against a tired Itahci and sasuke. So overall Senju > Uchiha

Then there's the people we can't be sure were Senju people like the 4th (who is arguably a descendant of Senju), Danzou, the advisers, Kakashi, Kakashi's father, Orochimaru, Jiraiya. Basically anyone who was born in Konoha who isn't part of a clan is possibly a descendant of Senju.

I understand what your saying but they are not decendants of Senju.

[Muffin]

True your right there. I shouldnt have added Itahci I really meant from the begining of Konoha.

But I woudl say Itachi > Nidaime

Purly becasue he is old Sasuke > or = Sarutobi (but in his Prime Sasrutobi slaughters sasuke for sure)

BUt yes tsunade would be the wild card. I woudl still give it to Senju because 1st > Madara and then you add tsunade into the mix against a tired Itahci and sasuke. So overall Senju > Uchiha

You can say Itachi is stronger than Nidaime as much as you want it doesn't make it true. We're talking Hokage here. And there is no way Sarutobi would ever lose to Sasuke.


I understand what your saying but they are not decendants of Senju.

If anyone is born in Konoha and are not part of a clan then they can be descendants of Senju. Asuma is definently Senju, the 4th has never been said to be part of a clan so it is possible for him to be a descendant aswell.

[KyubiiRage]

Ok if we're bringing in every single Senju then let's see who else the Senju has:


Sarutobi > Sasuke




Well Sarutobi was trained by the senju leaders but that doesnt mean that he was a senju.And isnt there a possibility that other people might have came and eventually joined the village

[MinatoNamikaze]

You can say Itachi is stronger than Nidaime as much as you want it doesn't make it true. We're talking Hokage here. And there is no way Sarutobi would ever lose to Sasuke.

I do belive Itachi could beat Nidaime, not clobber him but beat him none the less.

And same with sasuke for the pure fact that Sarutobi is too old, and sasuke is fast, has sharingan, and Kirin.


If anyone is born in Konoha and are not part of a clan then they can be descendants of Senju. Asuma is definently Senju, the 4th has never been said to be part of a clan so it is possible for him to be a descendant aswell.

Well then Jiriya, oro, and Tsunade are all cousins or brothers/sisters? ANd sakura and naruto are too? Then Naruto would be think about incest:susp:

[Muffin]

I do belive Itachi could beat Nidaime, not clobber him but beat him none the less.

And same with sasuke for the pure fact that Sarutobi is too old, and sasuke is fast, has sharingan, and Kirin.

Even if it's old Sarutobi he would defeat Sasuke. Sasuke is not hokage level, Sarutobi has mastered most of the jutsu in konoha which makes him an incredibly versatile ninja.

And there is no way Itachi could ever beat Nidaime.


Well then Jiriya, oro, and Tsunade are all cousins or brothers/sisters? ANd sakura and naruto are too? Then Naruto would be think about incest:susp:

It wouldn't surprise me. Keep in mind the Hyuuga's could very likely be inbreeding aswell in order to keep their family "pure". If i recall correctly once someones a 2nd cousin their dna is different enough to keep them from coming out like the charming people in the hills have eyes.

[nine tailed fox 099]

True but madara would be much stronger than the senuj clansmen too

ur rong because madara lost to one of them and he was harashi the 1st hogage:)

[MinatoNamikaze]

ur rong because madara lost to one of them and he was harashi the 1st hogage:)

CLANSMEN not LEADER:D

[MinatoNamikaze]

Even if it's old Sarutobi he would defeat Sasuke. Sasuke is not hokage level, Sarutobi has mastered most of the jutsu in konoha which makes him an incredibly versatile ninja.

He couldnt "beat" oro and sasuke is arguably at Oro level, so it would be very close, but sasuke youth would probably prevail.

And there is no way Itachi could ever beat Nidaime.

Care to back that up? You really seem to underestimate Itachi.

It wouldn't surprise me. Keep in mind the Hyuuga's could very likely be inbreeding aswell in order to keep their family "pure". If i recall correctly once someones a 2nd cousin their dna is different enough to keep them from coming out like the charming people in the hills have eyes.

I know what your saying but then they would all have the same last name. Uzumaki, Haruno, Hatake, etc