Hokage Battle (OFFICIAL THREAD)

[Doctor Octogonapus]

since its a all out abttle between the 5 hokages more then likly to me it would be the 1st, 2nd, and 4th since frist can make wood and land secound can make a ocean way to his advantage but as for forth well all he needs is that special dagger that only he can hear to actually do some good damage to someone so if he loss that he dun for more then likely since he can't tell were to go while doing the flash move.

No. The 1st, 3rd, and 4th are the strongest, not the second.
Wood>Water
Earth>Water
Wind>Water

[Madara_The-Uchiha]

i think it would be the fourth

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

How?
You know the fourth has what? 5 jutsu?
Sarutobi has what? 5,000?
Sarutboi has a counter for everyone of the Fourth's Techniques, he doesn't stand a chance.

the 4th doesn't have 5 jutsu ! he created Like 5 genius jutsu pLus he is a master of seaLing jutsu i think ! sarutobi knows Like 5000 but none of them are his ! i'm sure the fourth knows a Lot of jutsu otherwise he wouLdn't find the creativity to create his own !

this is between the 4th and 1st ! the 1st did beat madaRa in his prime with his permanent mangekyou !

[shikamaru]

Hmmmm.... i think the 4th MIGHT win but it'll probably go to the 1st since he in reality is the strongest.

[Anbuhaku]

the 1st

[Soul]

1st.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

the 1st


1st.

you two stop spamming ! especiaLLy you souL ! you have aLot more posts than i do !

[sasori uchiha]

5th hokage whould so win she's the strongest.:godaime:

[IownU]

4th is stronger than all other hokages combined. He's naruto's father.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

^^ what does that have to do anything? naruto is a retart !

naruto can't even perform the basic transformation jutsu !

[Muffin]

^^ what does that have to do anything? naruto is a retart !

naruto can't even perform the basic transformation jutsu !

He transformed into Akamaru vs kiba.

He also can use one of the most powerful jutsu's of all the Rasenshuriken..he is far from a retard.

[ED123]

1st hands down would win especially since he can also use water element jutsu

[Praetorian]

1st duh :)

[~Nel Tu~]

1st

[Teh4th:)]

Yondaime will win.

[Teh4th:)]

Wrong.
The 3rd knows every technique the 4th does.
The 3rd knows Rasengan, Chidori, Summoning Techniques, all of the 4th's techniques.
He knows pretty much every technique that isn't bloodline or Wood.
The 4th stands no chance.

The question is, Can the 3rd teleport? I mean the 4th is fast that you can't even see him. So what do you think? Can the third handle his speed?:yondaime:

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

The question is, Can the 3rd teleport? I mean the 4th is fast that you can't even see him. So what do you think? Can the third handle his speed?:yondaime:

No the 3rd can't teleport (this is unique to the 4th) and no-one can even begin to compete with that speed.

[Teh4th:)]

I guess that can make the 4th the winner :)

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

does the 3rd know rasengan or chidori ? (they were both around when 3rd was around)

imagine if he did, how strong wouLd it be ! ! !

[Teh4th:)]

Still, he can't beat the speed of the 4th.
Like, in the game. If his rasengan is fully charged, he'll backstab you wit his rasengan. Imagine how unfair that was.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

yeah i didn't say that the 3rd wiLL win, i think he is too oLd ! but he is extremeLy tough !

if the fourth threw two of his kunai at the same time on rither side of you, you wouLdn't know which one to disabLe !

and i reaLLy Like the 4th ! ! !

[Teh4th:)]

It's good to hear that. :)

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

hRRRRRRRRm i see that you are a big minato fan !

*thinking of something eLse to say*

[Muffin]

yeah i didn't say that the 3rd wiLL win, i think he is too oLd ! but he is extremeLy tough !

if the fourth threw two of his kunai at the same time on rither side of you, you wouLdn't know which one to disabLe !

and i reaLLy Like the 4th ! ! !

He wouldn't need to throw one, to get to you. His Shushin No jutsu instantly moves him behind an opponent like the very unfortunate Rock nin he used it on during Kakashi's Gaiden.

[Teh4th:)]

Yep, Shushin no jutsu rocks!

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

oHHHHHHHH yea, so that adds to his arsenaL of extremLy fast jutsu !

i wonder how many, unbeatabLe jutsu's minato can use ! i'm sure he has a heLL of aLot that we haven't seen ! ! !

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Thundergod.
Replacement
Clone
Transformation.
Summoning.
Rasengan.
Death God Sealing.

Only Jutsu the Fourth can use in this debate.
It wasn't said he knew more, and it wasn't shown that he knew more.
So for this debate, he only knows those.

The 3rd knew all of Konoha's jutsu, I still say he wins this.

[Cross Marian]

I found the first hokage very skillfull, so I go with him this time, even if I don't know that much about him, I never knew wood can actually be so powerful in battle.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I found the first hokage very skillfull, so I go with him this time, even if I don't know that much about him, I never knew wood can actually be so powerful in battle.

Yes, but Fire>Wood.

[Cross Marian]

Yes, but Fire>Wood.

True, true. Is the Third fire elemental?

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

yea but mokuton is reaLLy tough wood ! it's chakra infused !

Let's recap on naruto going 4 taiLs !

-burns just about everything that touches him !
- get's owned by the mokuton jutsu !

[Doctor Octogonapus]

True, true. Is the Third fire elemental?

The Third is Earth, Fire, Wind, Lightning, and Water.

yea but mokuton is reaLLy tough wood ! it's chakra infused !

Let's recap on naruto going 4 taiLs !

-burns just about everything that touches him !
- get's owned by the mokuton jutsu !

Let's....say some stuff like you just did.

-Nine tails is chakra, not fire.
-mokuton surpresses the 9-tails chakra, Wood doesn't stand up to fire.

[Super Luigi]

ether 3rd 4th or 2nd

[Doctor Octogonapus]

ether 3rd 4th or 2nd

The 1st, 3rd and 4th could beat the 2nd.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

Let's....say some stuff like you just did.

-Nine tails is chakra, not fire.
-mokuton surpresses the 9-tails chakra, Wood doesn't stand up to fire.

mokuton is not normaL wood though, i'm not saying fire can't burn wood but mokuton is different !

it's Like kidomaru's webs. i mean my hand can beat a web, but onLy someone that can exert chakra with pin point accuray can beat kidomaru's webs !

the four taiLs chakra has the same effect as fire didn't it?

[original fox king foxstream]

4th all the way babe

[Doctor Octogonapus]

mokuton is not normaL wood though, i'm not saying fire can't burn wood but mokuton is different !

Yes but it is still wood, it's not Holy Wood or something like Ameratsu where nothing can stop it.

the four taiLs chakra has the same effect as fire didn't it?

It's chakra though, not fire.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

Yes but it is still wood, it's not Holy Wood or something like Ameratsu where nothing can stop it.

weLL of course, amaretsu is not normaL either ! it is reLeased through sharingan (kekkei genkai) from the pits of heLL

It's chakra though, not fire.

did i not aLready admit that?

[Teh4th:)]

The 1st, 3rd and 4th could beat the 2nd.

Most, definitely.

[emo_kenny]

i havent really studied the 4th hokage but i have on third but on my video game naruto ultimate ninja 3 the 4th hokage (yellow flash) :yondaime: :3rd: had the highest level then all naruto character in the game well can someone tell me who would win

[Edge]

the 4th cuz he is the best hokage ever

[emo_kenny]

even the youngest lol

[caleb08]

4th easily he has more power than the 3rd

[weird00]

4th cus he real is the best hokage even tho he's not the best ninja

[AzureKnight]

4th cus he real is the best hokage even tho he's not the best ninja

That made no sense at all.

I dunno, man. Sarutobi in his prime was one hell of a fighter.

[caleb08]

That made no sense at all.

I dunno, man. Sarutobi in his prime was one hell of a fighter.

true but then he got old and weaker but even at his old age he still was very powerful.

[jazzy]

they are both a tie:love: :naruto:

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

The Forth was the Greatest Ninja to ever have lived and so he would win this fight.

[satanspawn666]

the fourth would win no question first the fliying thunder god technique allows him to telleport anywhere second gamabunta would squash monkey king enma and third what defense does the third have against rasengan and the fourth is young and in his prime and the third is old and way past his time he couldn't even defeat oro

[WhiteFang]

^^ Kishi has himself said that the fourth and third are equals. So this is a draw.

[hyuga_fan]

ok the fourth and the third are not equals the fourth could just warp around till sarutobi was dizzy...

[rush rush]

This would be good!

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ya its a good one, but it is hard to judge because we dont know anything about any of the hokages in their prime. I would have to say 4th against either one, the fourth would win, but I dont thikn the fourth can beat 2 hokages. He might but either way, it would be an extremely close battle.

[Tsugaga]

Yeah I agree. Yondaime has his Teleport Jutsu, Body Flicker, Rasengan, Speed, and Summonings but that is all we know of him. Oh, and his Shinigami. 3rd has Enma, And his strong Earth and Fire jutsus. The 2nd is the one that I know most about. He is the Water God, Genjutsu, and he has speed. It is also said that the 2nd an do any Water jutsu. But like it has been said before, we don't know much of the three and also battles with more than two people are hard to come to a conclusion cause the factor of who attacks who matters a lot.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Agreed:D :D

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I gotta give this to the 2nd and 3rd.
While Minato is stronger(possibly) than Sarutobi, if you add Nidamine into the fight it may be too much.
The 4th is the most overestimated character by far.
He and Sarutobi(after months of debating we've settled this) are equals, therefore both of them would have a hard time beating the other, but if you throw Nidamine in there it'll be too hard for Minato to win.

[rush rush]

Ya its a good one, but it is hard to judge because we dont know anything about any of the hokages in their prime. I would have to say 4th against either one, the fourth would win, but I dont thikn the fourth can beat 2 hokages. He might but either way, it would be an extremely close battle.agreed.Minato is a ninja that stoped the nine tails from destroying the village and is a ninja trained from the legendary Jiriya and has the awsome rasengan so i give this to Minato but it would be extremely close!

[MinatoNamikaze]

agreed.Minato is a ninja that stoped the nine tails from destroying the village and is a ninja trained from the legendary Jiriya and has the awsome rasengan so i give this to Minato but it would be extremely close!

I definetly agree. His speed would really be too much in my opinion.

[rush rush]

Very true Minato should never be underestimated

[MinatoNamikaze]

Very true Minato should never be underestimated

Exactly. I woul dhave really liked to see him in aan actual fight.

[rush rush]

Yea like against Pein that would be good!

[Tsugaga]

Yea like against Pein that would be good!

Yeah

[rush rush]

Hey Tsugaga did you get my message?

[Tsugaga]

Yeah

[rush rush]

why didn't you anwser?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I gotta give this to the 2nd and 3rd.
While Minato is stronger(possibly) than Sarutobi, if you add Nidamine into the fight it may be too much.
The 4th is the most overestimated character by far.
He and Sarutobi(after months of debating we've settled this) are equals, therefore both of them would have a hard time beating the other, but if you throw Nidamine in there it'll be too hard for Minato to win.

I'll post this again.

[Tsugaga]

I thought I did.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

What?

[Tsugaga]

I was talkin to rush rush

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Okay...

[MinatoNamikaze]

I gotta give this to the 2nd and 3rd.
While Minato is stronger(possibly) than Sarutobi, if you add Nidamine into the fight it may be too much.
The 4th is the most overestimated character by far.
He and Sarutobi(after months of debating we've settled this) are equals, therefore both of them would have a hard time beating the other, but if you throw Nidamine in there it'll be too hard for Minato to win.

Thats a very good point and as I have said before, it is almost impossible to know the true power of minato because we nevr saw him fight, so I have to assume that 2 hokages against one, the 2 would win.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Thats a very good point and as I have said before, it is almost impossible to know the true power of minato because we nevr saw him fight, so I have to assume that 2 hokages against one, the 2 would win.

Was that agreeing in the form of a counterpoint?

[vane]

Even though Minato is my favorite character I have to give the win to Sarutobi and Nidaime. I mean Sarutobi who is well versed in many forms of jutsu and Nidaime who is a master water jutsu user would just be a little to mauch for Minato. Im still guessing it would be an epic battle. But in the long run Minato would probably run out of chakra trying to keep up with 2 other Hokages.

[rush rush]

This would probably end up as a tie.Think about it the ninja that stoped the nine tailed fox from destroying the hidden leaf village was Minato the ninja that has these very powerful techniques:Teleport Jutsu, Body Flicker, Rasengan plus more is Minato and the best hokage ever is Minato!Im not underestimating 2nd hokage and the 3rd hokage but im just telling you how strong Minato is he should never be underestimated. So thats why i think this would be a tie

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Think about it the ninja that stoped the nine tailed fox from destroying the hidden leaf village was Minato

See what I'm talking about?
Overestimation.
Minato arrived and used a technique.
And from that he's a God.
I'm sorry but with that logic Everyone in Akatsuki are God's, Sarutobi is a God, Naruto is a God, hell Konohamaru is a God!
He did nothing special that day.
He saved the village, that doesn't make him the greatest ninja ever.
He beat the nine-tails, by using one technique from the start that killed himself, I wouldn't call that an intense battle.

the ninja that has these very powerful techniques:Teleport Jutsu, Body Flicker, Rasengan plus more is Minato and the best hokage is Minato!

Actually from what we've seen from the 3rd and what we can fill in, Sarutobi is the strongest.
Sarutobi knows every existing Konoha technique, but as proven in his final fight, he also knew a technique that was thought to be exclusive to Minato. Meaning Minato taught Sarutobi that jutsu, which we can assume he taught him others as well.

Secondly, the Body flicker is the 4th lowest leveled jutsu.

Minato is he should never be underestimated. So thats why i think this is would be a tie

Nor should he be overestimated.

[rush rush]

Okay maybe i overestimated him a bit but hes still the best hokage!no arguing with that.And i still think it would be a tie.Probably the only peson that could change my mind is Vane

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Okay maybe i overestimated him a bit but hes still the best hokage!no arguing with that.And i still think it would be a tie.Probably the only peson that could change my mind is Vane

No, he's tied for best Hokage, but I think Sarutobi is the strongest.
And it doesn't matter who you're talking to.

[rush rush]

Why do you think sarutobi is the strongest the 4th is i forgot who said it in the manga but i know for sure someone even said it!

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Why do you think sarutobi is the strongest the 4th is i forgot who said it in the manga but i know for sure someone even said it!

It also said Sarutobi and Shodamine were the strongest.

[vane]

Well they all have thier own famous titles. Basically it depends on who you think is better. They all have done some pretty amazing things in their time. Mine just so happens to be Minato's. But 2 on 1 wouldnt go over to well for the 1.

Probably the only peson that could change my mind is Vane
I appreciate the compliment but I think I am being given to much credit.

[Tsugaga]

I first said that This was a Thread that can't be solved. My mistake, I thought this was a free for all battle. Minato would lose. Yeah Minato is really fast and all and is pretty strong but Sarutobi and Ninaime are also very powerful. Nidaime is the God of Water Jutsu. He can do anything with the water, he is very fast, and he has GenJutsu. Sarutobi is strong, and has powerful Fire and Earth Jutsu. Together the 2nd and 3rd would beat Minato.

[rush rush]

I appreciate the compliment but I think I am being given to much credit.But its true your known for giving great debates and changing peoples mind easily!I first said that This was a Thread that can't be solved. My mistake, I thought this was a free for all battle. Minato would lose. Yeah Minato is really fast and all and is pretty strong but Sarutobi and Ninaime are also very powerful. Nidaime is the God of Water Jutsu. He can do anything with the water, he is very fast, and he has GenJutsu. Sarutobi is strong, and has powerful Fire and Earth Jutsu. Together the 2nd and 3rd would beat Minato.and you know what im going to do some research on these three people to come to my conclusion!

[Tsugaga]

Alright. u won't find much on Minato but if u research Nidaime and Sarutobi u will find out just how strong they are.

[rush rush]

Yea i hope i find a few things on wikipeadia!

[Tsugaga]

No. Don't look on wikipeadia.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Manga Section.
Manga is the only proof.

I first said that This was a Thread that can't be solved. My mistake, I thought this was a free for all battle. Minato would lose. Yeah Minato is really fast and all and is pretty strong but Sarutobi and Ninaime are also very powerful. Nidaime is the God of Water Jutsu. He can do anything with the water, he is very fast, and he has GenJutsu. Sarutobi is strong, and has powerful Fire and Earth Jutsu. Together the 2nd and 3rd would beat Minato.

You have no proof Nidamine can use genjutsu, nor do you have proof that he's fast.

[Tsugaga]

Nidaime uses Kokuangyou no Jutsu which is GenJutsu. He is fast cause he moves around using his water.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Again, proof of this?

[Tsugaga]

He uses Kokuangyou no Jutsu against Sarutobi and I read that He moves aroun really fast using water.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

For a third time! PROOF of this?
If you're referring to the genjutsu take a second look.
I have the page open right now, Shodamine cast the genjutsu, and as for the speed, I don't see him using his speed.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Majin really likes to have proof. lol jk:D

But as I have said before, Sarubtobi and Minato are fairly close in powerlevel. So by adding Nidane to the picture, Minato would loose becasue we are adding a hokage, not a regular shinobi so nidane is no pushover. 2 hokages > 1 hokage

[rush rush]

No. Don't look on wikipeadia.whyFor a third time! PROOF every time someone says something you say proof but when you say something most of the time you don't have proof yourself!

[vane]

why
Because this is the Manga battledome. If you go to wikipedia then come here and say "well I heard it on wikipedia" then you are wrong by default. All your info has to come from the manga. Not every thing said on wikipedia is true either.

every time someone says something you say proof but when you say something most of the time you don't have proof yourself!

Hhmm. No actually most of the time he does.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

every time someone says something you say proof but when you say something most of the time you don't have proof yourself!

The reason I'm asking you for proof is so you can correct your mistake.
I already know you're wrong, I just wanted you to see that yourself.
But here...

http://img36.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000122/14.jpg
The First cast the Genjutsu.

Chapter 121, the part in subbed where Nidamine moves at high speeds never happens in the manga, therefore it never happened.

[WhiteFang]

As much as I love Minato, this decidedly goes to the 2nd and 3rd in his prime. Since Sarutobi almost equals Minato and we are adding another Hokage in the picture. Niidaime may not be as strong in comparison to the other Hokages, but he was a Hokage nonetheless. He must be quite strong. Plus offcourse there is the greater elemental and chakra advantage which the 3rd and 2nd have together.

[Kuro Nagashi]

i think minato would win because of his speed and power and he could just combine his speed with the rasengan and kill both hokages

[Tsugaga]

It doesn't matter if the 1st cast the GenJutsu, Nidaime can do it too.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

It doesn't matter if the 1st cast the GenJutsu, Nidaime can do it too.

For a 5th, and final time...

SHOW.
ME.
PROOF.

The part where he casts genjutsu in subbed, never happened in the manga, therefore he cannot cast genjutsu.

[rush rush]

Why do you ask for proof when you don't provide proof yourself?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Why do you ask for proof when you don't provide proof yourself?

http://img36.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000122/14.jpg

Chapter 121, go have a look if you don't believe me.
I posted this once already.
And most the time I don't need to provide proof because it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE. And I only ask for proof to make someone see that they're wrong, or because I forgot something happened, but that's generally only with Muffin because she remembers more useless crap than me(that's a compliment btw muffin xD)

[rush rush]

forget i said anything!:xd:

[Tsugaga]

Just cause it never happened doesn't mean that Nidaime can't cast the Genjutsu. That Jutsu belongs to the first AND second.

[vane]

Just cause it never happened doesn't mean that Nidaime can't cast the Genjutsu. That Jutsu belongs to the first AND second.

Sorry to say. But not really. Just because one can do something doesnt mean the other can to. Because using that line of thinking that would mean Nidaime can use Mokuton (which we know he cant). So if it is never shown or hinted that someone can use a specific jutsu or a jutsu class then they cant until proven otherwise. So Nidaime cant use genjutsu unless you have a chapter from the manga showing him use it.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Sorry to say. But not really. Just because one can do something doesnt mean the other can to. Because using that line of thinking that would mean Nidaime can use Mokuton (which we know he cant). So if it is never shown or hinted that someone can use a specific jutsu or a jutsu class then they cant until proven otherwise. So Nidaime cant use genjutsu unless you have a chapter from the manga showing him use it.

I dont know whats going on in this debate but I just have to say it is probably safe to assume Nidame can use Ninjutsu of some level becasue he is Hokage after all. Im sure hes not like Naruto, so I think at the least he can use low level genjutsu, but thats just my thoughts, I have no proof so dont jump on me for it :D

[Tsugaga]

I have gone to Naruto info sites and both the first and second Hokages can do that Genjutsu.

[Smiley]

I'd really love to know where they're getting their info from when the only valid source is MANGA in that we haven't seen the 2nd doing any genjutsu.
Or perhaps official databook, but there isn't anything about that there either.
What is the site you read that from?

EDIT:
I think I got it. It anime, it was the 2nd who used genjutsu against Sandaime, but in manga that same genjutsu was performed by 1st.
Never mind, it doesn't count since this is manga section.

[Hashirama]

2nd and 3rd.

[vane]

I dont know whats going on in this debate but I just have to say it is probably safe to assume Nidame can use Ninjutsu of some level becasue he is Hokage after all. Im sure hes not like Naruto, so I think at the least he can use low level genjutsu, but thats just my thoughts, I have no proof so dont jump on me for it :D
Nidaime can not use genjutsu. He never used it in the manga and as Smiley just said above this is the manga zone. So nothing else matters.

I have gone to Naruto info sites and both the first and second Hokages can do that Genjutsu.
Sorry to have to trash that info but this is the manga section. Not look up info in other sites beside the manga itself. If the info you get isnt from a chapter you cant use it here. You have to have seen it in a chapter. And in the manga only the 1st used genjutsu not the 2nd. So the 2nd cant use genjutsu. So please find a link in the manga showing him use it or find a chapter that hints that Nidaime can use it. Because if that other site is your only reference then it shouldnt be used here in the manga battledome.

[DracoPhoenix]

4th hokage i guess will dominate