Hokage Battle (OFFICIAL THREAD)

[Son Garaha]

No idea who would win. That's why I'm leaving it up to the pros. But what I say from the fight with 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage versus 3rd Hokage. I would imagine that 1st and 2nd Hokage were pretty much equal. I dunno, your thoughts?

[Gaara-Kozokage]

Second uses Citon( Water no Justsu) and the first uses Katon(Fire no Justsu), And Water will win so that makes Second the winner... But also The first dosent uses justs Fireball he uses other thehnics anyway they are both physicly and mentely strong. So i think the second would win... I realy wonder what will Xinobi say.

[Son Garaha]

*Looks around...* WHERE THE HELL IS XINOBE!!!!

[Gaara-Kozokage]

He is probobly studying he is 28 years old ...

[Megaman123]

I think the 1st Hokage would win. Just my opinion.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Second uses Citon( Water no Justsu) and the first uses Katon(Fire no Justsu), And Water will win so that makes Second the winner... But also The first dosent uses justs Fireball he uses other thehnics anyway they are both physicly and mentely strong. So i think the second would win... I realy wonder what will Xinobi say.

EH! WRONG!

The first will win.
The Second Uses Water.
The First Uses Wood.
Yamato is a reincarnation pretty much of the 1st Hokage. Does he use fire? No. Wood.

[Megaman123]

Exactly! I'm right. XD.

[Son Garaha]

EH! WRONG!

The first will win.
The Second Uses Water.
The First Uses Wood.
Yamato is a reincarnation pretty much of the 1st Hokage. Does he use fire? No. Wood.

That is indeed correct, the 1st uses Wood as demonstrated in the only fight shown. He used his wood jutsu to bind the 3rd and his monkey friend.

[Nekokami]

Hmmmm, I wonder hat summons they may have however...

[Son Garaha]

That is an intresting question. They could probably summon that big Toad that Pervy Sage summons, eh?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

That is an intresting question. They could probably summon that big Toad that Pervy Sage summons, eh?

No, only Jiriaya, Naruto, and Minato have summoned the toads.
Idk what summons they have, but the first was said to be the strongest Hokage.

[Son Garaha]

^Hm, you say that the 1st has the jutsu of wood, correct? I would imagine his summoning may have some wood like attributes.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

^Hm, you say that the 1st has the jutsu of wood, correct? I would imagine his summoning may have some wood like attributes.

LOL HE CAN SUMMON PINNOCCHIO!!!!!

[Son Garaha]

Yeah, that would be great.

*Awkward silence from constant Naruto viewers*

"What tha-???"

[Nekokami]

No, only Jiriaya, Naruto, and Minato have summoned the toads.
Idk what summons they have, but the first was said to be the strongest Hokage.


Hahaha, yes, Picconichio...very delusional.


Well actually, when the 3rd fought Orochimaru he destroyed the 4th Coffin as soon as possible? I wonder if it was because Minato was the strongest Hokage? Also i would like to know who and when the person stated the 1st was the strongest?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Okay ummm I do not know the person right now.
But I am pretty sure it is in Volume 13 or 14.
An Anbu Black Ops says it I believe.

[Son Garaha]

Correct, another question, what If Minato was brought back, would he have powned the 3rd with his fellow Kages?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

no, it would of been the same outcome.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

I agree with majin sharingan, first hokage would win ) wood needs water )

[Son Garaha]

Hey if it's in the manga than it's pretty much written in stone; the 1st is the 1st... lol... that was kinda cool...

[Uchiha-Shinobi]

actualy i think the first summons tree like guys

[shinytoyguns]

I'd have to say Hokage Second.

[Minato]

2nd Nindaime Hokage will win as he is more powerfull than 1st.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Lol man who told u that second hokage is weakest of all hokages maybe except
maybe Tsunade

[iRob]

the first hokage just by a little

[Doctor Octogonapus]

The 1st is the strongest Hokage.
The 1st wins.

[hyugamaster]

the first would win because he has the hidden earth ninjutsu(deep forest creation) and all the second can do is summon water and use it in his techniques. the second would put up a good fight but the first is almighty

[NarutoWooohoooo]

Who would win, the first, second, third, fouth or the fifth Hokage of village hidden in the leaves?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

The 1st. It's been said.

[GangstaKage]

I think the 4th would win but it would be a close match but im really not sure

[Doctor Octogonapus]

It was said that the 1st was deh strongest though.

[BK-nin]

sarutobi aka the third was the "god of shinobi". with that said i think it's obvious

[Doctor Octogonapus]

No he wasn't.
I think it's obvious that it's the 1st.
Because it was SAID.
Any argument of this type is immediately nullified when the argument has been resolved in the manga.

[BK-nin]

the third knew every technique within konoha that wasn't kekei genkai. plus didn't he pwn the first and second at the age of 60. come on now.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

the third knew every technique within konoha that wasn't kekei genkai. plus didn't he pwn the first and second at the age of 60. come on now.

No.
He didn't.
He was 60.
AND THAT WAS NOT THE 1ST AND 2ND.
That was Zaku and Kin.
No matter if they were their bodies and techniques.
That was not their full power.
And again...it's been said. So this argument is pointless.

[BK-nin]

No.
He didn't.
He was 60.
AND THAT WAS NOT THE 1ST AND 2ND.
That was Zaku and Kin.
No matter if they were their bodies and techniques.
That was not their full power.
And again...it's been said. So this argument is pointless.obviously you didn't grasp the concept of orochimaru's technique. he took two live to bring two back to life, the he used a spell tag to put them under his control. the three hokage even had a conversation with each other

[Doctor Octogonapus]

obviously you didn't grasp the concept of orochimaru's technique. he took two live to bring two back to life, the he used a spell tag to put them under his control. the three hokage even had a conversation with each other


Okay.
For the last time.
It's been said.
So your argument is pointless.
It has been said by the only person who actually knows who could beat who.
And he SAID The 1st was the strongest.
Making him the strongest.
It's not an arguable matter when the argument has been settles in the story.

[Summer.]

matt, I would like to see where was that said. cuz I always have in my minds that it was said minato is the strongest... I'm confused now...

[BK-nin]

Okay.
For the last time.
It's been said.
So your argument is pointless.
It has been said by the only person who actually knows who could beat who.
And he SAID The 1st was the strongest.
Making him the strongest.
It's not an arguable matter when the argument has been settles in the story. and i'm saying that sarutobi already kicked his ass

[Doctor Octogonapus]

No he didn't.
That was Zaku.
He kicked Zaku's ass.

And Lina idk exactly where it's said.
I know it's said though, I know that, cause I've read it.
Idk the chapter or anything but it should be like Volume 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8,10, 11, 13, or 14.
LOL.
Doesn't help much but I know I have read it.

[Summer.]

but I'm sure it was many times said a lot of things about minato's greatness, and that he was the strongest among all hokages.
but I will check that information up, cuz I really wanna know it...

[Doctor Octogonapus]

but I'm sure it was many times said a lot of things about minato's greatness, and that he was the strongest among all hokages.
but I will check that information up, cuz I really wanna know it...

Okay, let's try and look at this objectively...
Jiriaya is stronger than the 3rd.
The 4th is stronger than Jiriaya.
Therefore the 4th is stronger than the third.
Of course the 5th and 2nd are weaker than the 4th and 1st but I have nothing else to compare this to.

[Summer.]

Okay, let's try and look at this objectively...
Jiriaya is stronger than the 3rd.
The 4th is stronger than Jiriaya.
Therefore the 4th is stronger than the third.
Of course the 5th and 2nd are weaker than the 4th and 1st but I have nothing else to compare this to.

true.
and we don't know many things about 1. and 4. ...
damn it.
but he wasn't called the yellow flash for nothing...
eh, I hope we will get more informations about minato^^
I really like him. masashi killed all cool guys xD

[Doctor Octogonapus]

true.
and we don't know many things about 1. and 4. ...
damn it.
but he wasn't called the yellow flash for nothing...
eh, I hope we will get more informations about minato^^
I really like him. masashi killed all cool guys xD

Yes but I swear they said the 1st was the strongest, or greatest Hokage.
It might of actually been greatest.
But idk.

[Summer.]

Yes but I swear they said the 1st was the strongest, or greatest Hokage.
It might of actually been greatest.
But idk.

loool, and I could swear I heard MANY times that minato was the strongest and greatest :D
I will check that when I will have time. I really will, cuz I wanna know for sure. xD

[UzumakiNaruto<3]

The 4th i mean he is Naruto's dad :)

[BK-nin]

No he didn't.
That was Zaku.
He kicked Zaku's ass.

And Lina idk exactly where it's said.
I know it's said though, I know that, cause I've read it.
Idk the chapter or anything but it should be like Volume 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8,10, 11, 13, or 14.
LOL.
Doesn't help much but I know I have read it. and you obviously still don't understand orochimaru's jutsu

[Konoha's Warrior]

1st Hokage

2nd Hokage

3rd Hokage (Sarutobi Sensei) :3rd:

4th Hokage (Yondaime) :yondaime:

5th Hokage (Tsunade)

[Doctor Octogonapus]

It's not THEM.
It is Zaku and Kin.
No matter what he does.
He couldn't tap their true strength because, it's Masters vs. Student.
2 on 1.
The one is an old man.
If the 1st and 2nd were truly there it wouldn't of gone the way it did.

[BK-nin]

It's not THEM.
It is Zaku and Kin.
No matter what he does.
He couldn't tap their true strength because, it's Masters vs. Student.
2 on 1.
The one is an old man.
If the 1st and 2nd were truly there it wouldn't of gone the way it did.he brought the first and second back to life. they even told sarutobi the move orochimaru was using, and only the genes of the first and second could do what they were doing. just accept it

[Doctor Octogonapus]

They were brought back to life? Really?
Did those old men always have the dead bodies of two 15 year olds in them, a.k.a human sacrifices to form the bodies and make the jutsu.

[BK-nin]

They were brought back to life? Really?
Did those old men always have the dead bodies of two 15 year olds in them, a.k.a human sacrifices to form the bodies and make the jutsu.it's magic you fool! if they can recognize the third as their student then yes, they were brought back to life. the bodies don't have nothing to do with it as long as you have a life to trade

[Konoha's Warrior]

1st Hokage was Strongest

[NarutoWooohoooo]

3rd was nicknamed the professor, cause he knew all of the jutsu's in konoha, plus the third took out, the 1st and the 2nd both at once. Since Orochimaru Resurrected them with his forbidden art. (So I'm saying the third is the strongest, well back in his glory days.lmfao)

[Summer.]

3rd was nicknamed the professor, cause he knew all of the jutsu's in konoha, plus the third took out, the 1st and the 2nd both at once. Since Orochimaru Resurrected them with his forbidden art. (So I'm saying the third is the strongest, well back in his glory days.lmfao)

no, that's not the same thing.
that actually WEREN'T 1. and 2.
oro needed two victims to perform that jutsu. it wasn't the same thing, like that 3. would fight 1. and 2. at their full powers.
he wouldn't beat two hokages at the same time (+oro (which is even higher than hokage level...)).

[NarutoWooohoooo]

Well Orochimaru isn't at the hokage lvl, hes one of the lengendy Sannin, which is close to the hokage lvl, since third hokage, was old, his chakra wasn't as good as his glory days, so he could've took out orochimaru if he wanted too, well only back in the day when he was all that, lmfao, so oro isn't at a hokage lvl.

[Summer.]

Well Orochimaru isn't at the hokage lvl, hes one of the lengendy Sannin, which is close to the hokage lvl, since third hokage, was old, his chakra wasn't as good as his glory days, so he could've took out orochimaru if he wanted too, well only back in the day when he was all that, lmfao, so oro isn't at a hokage lvl.

I didn't say he is. I said he's probably even higher. Sannin technically is Kage level, you just haven't been appointed as a Kage.
does it matter if chakra is old? Oo
I didn't read that anywhere. link please.

[BK-nin]

I didn't say he is. I said he's probably even higher. Sannin technically is Kage level, you just haven't been appointed as a Kage.
does it matter if chakra is old? Oo
I didn't read that anywhere. link please. when you get old your chakra is slowly depleted

[Sasori[RedSand]]

yee I'm also saying that 3rd is the strongest.GOD OF SHINOBI

[Tohno Takaki]

what are you people saying. NAMIZAKI MINATO.. the 4th is the strongest of all

[Doctor Octogonapus]

The 4th can beat the third, but the 1st beats both of them.

[BK-nin]

the third mastered every move that was introduced to konoha that wasn't kekei genkai, that's a lot of jutsu considering you remembered sharingan(hint hint wink wink)

[ayubt100]

Who would win, the first, second, third, fouth or the fifth Hokage of village hidden in the leaves?

4th hokage {NARUTOS DAD} he he he :deidara: he

[Doctor Octogonapus]

the third mastered every move that was introduced to konoha that wasn't kekei genkai, that's a lot of jutsu considering you remembered sharingan(hint hint wink wink)

See that was said, but I can tell that was not true.
Because if he did.
Orochimaru wouldn't of won.
No one would of ever defeated him.

Rasengan.
Ultimate Rasengan.
The 8 Gates.
Chidori.
Any kind of S-Level Genjutsu.
The Thing the Fourth Did.
The Hair thing Jiriaya did.

It was said he knew them all but clearly he did not. Otherwise he would not have died.

[BK-nin]

See that was said, but I can tell that was not true.
Because if he did.
Orochimaru wouldn't of won.
No one would of ever defeated him.

Rasengan.
Ultimate Rasengan.
The 8 Gates.
Chidori.
Any kind of S-Level Genjutsu.
The Thing the Fourth Did.
The Hair thing Jiriaya did.

It was said he knew them all but clearly he did not. Otherwise he would not have died.he couldn't do those moves cuz he was so oooooooold and he hadn't fought "in a minute"(for a long time). your chakra gets weaker when you get maad old. plus orochimaru was using a spring chicken (a young person) for his body so it was if he was young.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

In his young days he had Great Chakra reserve.

[KyubiiRage]

The fourth would win.Come on, that guy sealed THE-NINE-TAILED-FOX

[hyugamaster]

its a stalemate between Minato and sarutobi becausse they both have great chakra reserves but it depends on the thirds age if he is his current age (before death) then he would lose but in his prime they would be a tye because minato was in his prime when he died

[BK-nin]

The fourth would win.Come on, that guy sealed THE-NINE-TAILED-FOX yeah, but sarutobi, in his ooooold age, could pull of the same move.

[hyugamaster]

are u crazy i still say minato

[Neji'sEyes]

Yondaime or shodaime would be strong

[KyubiiRage]

I say the 3d hokage is the strongeswt

[Minato]

Minato will still win :P 3rd is too weak.Although 1 st is still strong. The first person who could control the "Bijuu" like pet animals and use wood element technique.

[ayubt100]

Who would win, the first, second, third, fouth or the fifth Hokage of village hidden in the leaves?

i think the fourth hokage B-cause he was the on who was brave and stron enough to seal the fox inside naruto and he was kakashi senseis teacher and jiraiya sama and old lady tsunade said that kakashi will become next hokage because he is the most reliable and because he was raisen by yondaime [hokage] and naruto will probably becom 6th hokage or maybe even the seventh right after kakashi sensei.:deidara: :naruyawn: :haku: :naruto:

[Doctor Octogonapus]

1. Bravery does not equal Strength
2. Teaching does not equal Strength.
3. They never said Kakashi would be the next Hokage. That's crap. Also, 3a. How could Naruto become the Sixth if Kakashi is the 6th? 3b. Naruto shouldn't be Hokage. 3c. They never said Kakashi's the next Hokage, and they definitely never said cause of Minato.

[BK-nin]

2. Teaching does not equal Strength.

yes it does. you can't teach something you don't know

[Minato]

you can learn though

[hyugamaster]

i still think that it is minato watever u sarutobi lovers say

[Minato]

agreed Huyga XD

[Sasori[RedSand]]

On what facts you guys say that fourth was the strongest when you never seen him in real fight and you never saw his capabilities.

[ayubt100]

Who would win, the first, second, third, fouth or the fifth Hokage of village hidden in the leaves?

4th hokage

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

First Hokage.

He is the only person besides Yamato that knows Earth Style/Element Jutsu.

Plus he was practically the creator.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Okay, let's look at this from the manga.
They've said the 1st is the strongest.
They've said the Third knows every jutsu to come from Konoha, which is of course a lie but whatever, so he should be invincible.
They've said the Fourth was the Ultimate Hokage.
There's no way to judge from those statistics seeing as they've all been labeled the greatest.

[KingTW]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/94/12/

[Doctor Octogonapus]

And it was also said that the first was the greatest.
And the 4th too.

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

I believe their abilities can't be told in words. We would actually have to see an episode where they all duked it out.

(No, 1st, 2nd Hokages v. 3rd Hokage doesn't count; 4th wasn't there)

[iRob]

yea i like the 1st hokage ive always thought he was the strongest then the 4th

[BK-nin]

the third could use all of konoha's jutsu. proof? how was he able to pull of a jutsu that ,minato created at the last minute, in is old age.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

It says it in the manga.
Which means he knows every jutsu coming from Hokage, which should of made him invincible.

[BK-nin]

It says it in the manga.
Which means he knows every jutsu coming from Hokage, which should of made him invincible.
there was still the fact he was an old cow going against a bunch of young bull. if he was half his age he would always pwn.

[Super Luigi]

Minato

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Sarutobi can beat him.

[orochimaruto]

majinsharingan first show me where it said that the 1st is the strongest then i will believe your bs

[Thomas60]

The 1st Hokage!!! he beat teh Uchiha Madara

[Doctor Octogonapus]

majinsharingan first show me where it said that the 1st is the strongest then i will believe your bs

Heh.
In the manga.
If you have read it you would know what we were talking about.
It says in the manga at 3 different times that 3 different Hokage's were the greatest.

[BK-nin]

The 1st Hokage!!! he beat teh Uchiha Madarano he didn't, madara kicked his ass and went on to kick his father's ass.

[orochimaruto]

majinsharingan i have read the manga and i do not recall at any time it saying that the first hokage was the strongest

[Doctor Octogonapus]

no he didn't, madara kicked his ass and went on to kick his father's ass.


No he didn't. In the manga it said the Valley of the End is where the First defeated Madara and that's all the information we've been given.

majinsharingan i have read the manga and i do not recall at any time it saying that the first hokage was the strongest

When they were talking about the Founding of Konoha I believe, i do not remember an exact chapter.

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

orochimaruto, don't try to debate with Matty.

He'll blow you out of the water with facts and information on Naruto. ;)

[BK-nin]

No he didn't. In the manga it said the Valley of the End is where the First defeated Madara and that's all the information we've been given.


i'm talking about theoretical character so i'm gonna use the theory. and it states that madara kicked his ass.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

okay, but the Manga States that he didn't.
So I'm gonna go with the actual character.

[BK-nin]

okay, but the Manga States that he didn't.
So I'm gonna go with the actual character.
no!

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Yes!

[orochimaruto]

Yes!

dont act like you know everything, ever in the world of naruto. you arent masashi kishimoto. get over it.

[Sentaro]

Naruto's father, aka the 4th Hokage. Because he was known in the village as "The Hero". So I believe the 4th Hokage would win. Hands down.

[LaserMonkey]

dont act like you know everything, ever in the world of naruto. you arent masashi kishimoto. get over it.

Well, yeah he's not Kishimoto, he knows alot of facts tho.

I think the third is the strongest, The third knows every Jutsu, and it means that he knows the 4th and 2nd and 1st techniques, I would rather call Sarutobi the ultimate Hokage.

[Sentaro]

If ya'll want to see facts on Naruto's parents then here is the facts. And the 4th still is stronger.

"Naruto’s mothers name is Kushina Uzumaki,she was a former ninja the land of the whirlpool.Her husband was the fourth hokage (Minato Namikaze).She had a tomboyish figure but soon blossomed into a beautiful woman.Her name "Kushina" translates "nine goods"."

[Doctor Octogonapus]

We all know what happens this is the manga section.
The 4th was called the greatest.
The 3rd was called the greatest.
And the 1st was called the greatest.
From there we must judge.
The 3rd and 1st never actually fought, but according to the manga Sarutobi was Hokage at like 15...
The 3rd knows every jutsu to come from Konoha, which means the 1st's, 2nd's and 4th's techniques, and the rasengan and chidori.

I still say the 3rd is the strongest.

[BK-nin]

We all know what happens this is the manga section.
The 4th was called the greatest.
The 3rd was called the greatest.
And the 1st was called the greatest.
From there we must judge.
The 3rd and 1st never actually fought, but according to the manga Sarutobi was Hokage at like 15...
The 3rd knows every jutsu to come from Konoha, which means the 1st's, 2nd's and 4th's techniques, and the rasengan and chidori.

I still say the 3rd is the strongest.wait a minute! did you just switch sides or was that accidental?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

No i switched sides to the third a while ago, after remembering that he knows every technique to originate from konoha that is not bloodline or the First's Jutsu.

[BK-nin]

No i switched sides to the third a while ago, after remembering that he knows every technique to originate from konoha that is not bloodline or the First's Jutsu.
oh! okay.

[kstylegunz]

4th

[uchiha geek]

it has been said that the 1st was the strongest but i think the 4th would have a good match with him because of his teleportation techniques and if the 4th cant win he can tie with his death god jutsu thing lol

[duckofdoom99]

i say the third or the first. wood jutsu is awesome and knowing almost every jutsu from konoha would be helpful eiter way i think it would be a awesome fight.
The 3rd knows every jutsu to come from Konoha, which means the 1st's, 2nd's and 4th's techniques, and the rasengan and chidori.
the 3rd doesnt know rasengan it was said that only jiraya and the 4th could use it before naruto also he doesnt have many of the 1st techniques if any cuz he cant use wood ninjutsu.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

the 3rd doesnt know rasengan it was said that only jiraya and the 4th could use it before naruto also he doesnt have many of the 1st techniques if any cuz he cant use wood ninjutsu.

But he knows every single Konoha jutsu.
That's what the manga said, so I'm going by that.

[suits00]

I think anyone that went toe to toe with Uchiha Madarda is an excellent opponent. However, if the fourth is the leader of the leader of the akatski then he is the strongest. Also, just a thought, can we count Naruto as a part of the 4th (You know how they say, a father is survived by his sons). Also the 4th was the most known, since he sealed up the 9 tale. The 3rd lost to orochimaru (who is weak when going against Itachi, who in turn is weak going against Madrada). So, I would say the 4th, because he is survived by Naruto. Other than that, I would say the 6th Hokage is the strongest.

[Shishi Uchiha]

1) the 4th is flippin dead
2) 1st, 3rd, or the 4th would win

[hyugamaster]

no one but kakashi, jiraiya,naruto,and minato know the rasengan

jiraiya said so in the manga!!

[shaquanshia_narxhin_lover]

1st hokage v.s. 2nd hokage v.s. 3rd hokage v.s. 4th hokage v.s. 5th hokage WHO WOULD WIN!?!?


I pikc 4th hokage

[Konoha's Warrior]

Shodaime (1st Hokage) Was The Strongest, Shodaime Would Win

[Uchiha-Madara]

i think that the 4th would win

[kstylegunz]

4th

[hyugamaster]

stop spamming


i think the strongest in terms of strenth would be tsunade

but otherwise i believe it would be the 3rd hokage

[Shishi Uchiha]

i think that the third hokage or fourth would win

[hyugamaster]

the 3rd would whoop the 4th flashy butt!!

[Shishi Uchiha]

no you must obviously be smoking that good stuff the 4th would win but barely

[hyugamaster]

the third would just use the reaper sealing jutsu

[NejiTaker]

the third would just use the reaper sealing jutsu

That's the 4th's technique though, lol. And I bet since the 4th is younger he can probably use it to its full potential.

[shaquanshia_narxhin_lover]

THE 4TH WILL WIN!



@Hyuugamaster HOW AM I SPALMMING?!?!? :mad:

[Doctor Octogonapus]

The 4th Won't Won.
The 3rd will win.
The 3rd knows every Konoha Technique, which includes the 4th's techniques.

[Kisame]

i would have to say the the 4th only because he pwns all*bows down to the 4th hokage* =P

[shaquanshia_narxhin_lover]

The 4th Won't Won.
The 3rd will win.
The 3rd knows every Konoha Technique, which includes the 4th's techniques.

the 4th would so own everyone!

[Doctor Octogonapus]

i would have to say the the 4th only because he pwns all*bows down to the 4th hokage* =P

the 4th would so own everyone!

No he wouldn't.
Let's try reading this time.

The 3rd knows every one of the 4th's Techniques.
The 3rd knows every one of Konoha's Techniques.
The 3rd is at his Prime.
Everyone else...will be beaten.

[hyugamaster]

but to make the fight fair we should have all the hokages in their prime which means both seals are at there strongest

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

No he wouldn't.
Let's try reading this time.

The 3rd knows every one of the 4th's Techniques.
The 3rd knows every one of Konoha's Techniques.
The 3rd is at his Prime.
Everyone else...will be beaten.
Correction the 4th's ultimate technique (Discounting the Death god one) was the flying thundergod and that was the single technique (combined with his natural speed) that made him the best, this technique was only performed and Known by the 4th Hokage and no-one else. Sarutobi couldn't use it (Didn't know how) and couldn't beat it and neither would the other Hokages be able to beat it as it would be too powerful.
So the end would be IMO
1-4th Hokage
2=1st Hokage (Close between him and Sarutobi)
2=Sarutobi (3rd Hokage)
4-2nd Hokage
5-Tsunade (5th Hokage)

[Muffin]

There is also the Shushin no justsu (or body flicker). The 4th has techniques that even Sarutobi can't do.

The 4th is the strongest. It's been said time and time again.

[shaquanshia_narxhin_lover]

@Matt No -.-' 4th hokage willl win*Bows to the 4th hokage* XD

[The8tailed1]

we all know majinsharigan is just saying that to keep the argument up so ignore him for now, becuase we all know the 4th would win.

[Lazy_Genius_13]

in the battle between the kages i believe that were they all in their prime then the 3rd would win while if we are speaking strictly at time of death it would be the 4th

[Uchiha-Madara]

yeah 4th would win

[hyugamaster]

this all has to do with age

rite now the 4th would clearley be the winner because he is the only one in his prime

tsunade doesnt count because i doubt that she can land a hit on him

the 3rd 1st and 2nd are all old

but if they were in there prime

its a different story

the 3rd would whoop every 1

[shaquanshia_narxhin_lover]

we all know majinsharigan is just saying that to keep the argument up so ignore him for now, becuase we all know the 4th would win.

OK I DONT MIND DOING AT!:D

[hyugamaster]

OK I DONT MIND DOING AT!:D

.............*sighs*

our young are so naive and clueless

......pitiful

........this is what we have to look forward to

God just kill me now(not really i want to live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[Doctor Octogonapus]

we all know majinsharigan is just saying that to keep the argument up so ignore him for now, becuase we all know the 4th would win.

lol.
Oh course.
Ignore me, I'm making a point that defeats the others.
I must be wrong!

The 3rd will win.

[hyugamaster]

lol.
Oh course.
Ignore me, I'm making a point that defeats the others.
I must be wrong!

The 3rd will win.

you go majin

you whoop there butts!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

lol.
Oh course.
Ignore me, I'm making a point that defeats the others.
I must be wrong!

The 3rd will win.

Correction you think you are making a point that defeats the others but you are wrong
The 4th would win hands down against any other Naruto character

[hyugamaster]

how can u say that

u know nothing of his powers

just that he is fast and uses the rasengan

u are SERIOUSLY overestimating minato

he isnt God

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Correction you think you are making a point that defeats the others but you are wrong
The 4th would win hands down against any other Naruto character

Wrong.
The 3rd knows every technique the 4th does.
The 3rd knows Rasengan, Chidori, Summoning Techniques, all of the 4th's techniques.
He knows pretty much every technique that isn't bloodline or Wood.
The 4th stands no chance.

[GangstaKage]

Either the third or the first would win.The third knows all of Konoha's techniques but the firdt knows the wood element and can control jinchuriki.The third cant use those techniqes because he needs the special cells Yamato and Shodaime have.I cant deisde between the two.But I got to give it to the third

[Doctor Octogonapus]

^^Wood<Fire
The 3rd uses Fire.

[GangstaKage]

I guess your right

[Uchiha-Madara]

the 4th would be the winner

[GangstaKage]

The third knows all the fourths moves.How do you get to that?

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

how can u say that
u know nothing of his powers
We do from the Kakashi Gaiden Manga series
just that he is fast and uses the rasengan
So fast it would make Itachi look slow:o :o
u are SERIOUSLY overestimating minato
You are seriously underestimating him
he isnt God
Never said he was just that he was the most powerful naruto character

Lets set it out (Assuming each Hokage alive and in their prime)
1st Hokage
Pros-Unique wood Element techniques that can cover a battlefield easily,fast mover,good chakra supply
Cons-Wood can move a bit slow at times, possibly vulnerable to fire?

2ndHokage
Pros-Vast water based Techniques
Not much known about him other then he was weaker than the first in terms of fighting power??

3rd Hokage (AKA the Professor)
pros-Knows all konoha moves at time, Very strong Earth/Fire techniques, Summons Monkeys,also proficient in shadow Techniques (E.g.Shadow clone)
cons-not as large a chakra base as many of the others (Possibly??)

4th Hokage (AKA Konohas Yellow flash)
pros-Flying thundergod allows light speed traveling, Exceptional speed,Frog summoning
cons-requires special kunai/seals to perform thundergod technique

5th Hokage (Aka legendary Sannin)
pros-powerful strength attacks,great medical ninjutsu, good at dodging attacks, summon slugs
cons-strength attacks quite slow, some medical ninjutsus hamper fighting ability

Looking at this the 4ths speed would allow him to quickly dispatch his opponents (Who wouldn't be able to catch him) and so win
2nd place would go to either the 3rd or the 1st as they would be closely matched
3rd would be the 2nd hokage followed by Tsunade whos strength attacks would be too slow to be effective and would eventually lose.

The 3rd knows every technique the 4th does.
Correction it clearly state the signature move of the forth the flying thundergod was never taught to anyone else and no-one has been able to replicate that technique.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

You forget and/or are not listening.
THE 3RD KNOW THAT TECHNIQUE.
The 3rd knows EVERY Technique.
More than Kakashi.
More than anyone.
He knows EVERY technique that is from Konoha which is almost every technique.
He doesn't know the 1st's technique though.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

You forget and/or are not listening.
THE 3RD KNOW THAT TECHNIQUE.
The 3rd knows EVERY Technique.
More than Kakashi.
More than anyone.
He knows EVERY technique that is from Konoha which is almost every technique.
He doesn't know the 1st's technique though.

Let me ask you this if the flying thundergod was the most powerful technique ever created (Allowing light speed travel) why wouldn't the third have used it against Orochimaru???

Answer=because he didn't know it only the Forth knew it and he never told anyone the secret.

and that technique is why the forth would win

[Doctor Octogonapus]

The third knows every technique to come from Konoha except Mokuton.
It was said in the manga.
Don't argue with me.
Argue with Kishimoto.
If it was said.
It is true.
Why didn't the 3rd use it against Orochimaru?
Idk, why didn't Kakashi use Rasengan against Kakuzu? Or any of his other hundreds of jutsu?
Idk, he has them, he hasn't used them.
Bring this up with the writer, not me.

[GangstaKage]

You stole the words straight from my mouth

[hyugamaster]

We do from the Kakashi Gaiden Manga series

So fast it would make Itachi look slow:o :o

You are seriously underestimating him

Never said he was just that he was the most powerful naruto character

Lets set it out (Assuming each Hokage alive and in their prime)
1st Hokage
Pros-Unique wood Element techniques that can cover a battlefield easily,fast mover,good chakra supply
Cons-Wood can move a bit slow at times, possibly vulnerable to fire?

2ndHokage
Pros-Vast water based Techniques
Not much known about him other then he was weaker than the first in terms of fighting power??

3rd Hokage (AKA the Professor)
pros-Knows all konoha moves at time, Very strong Earth/Fire techniques, Summons Monkeys,also proficient in shadow Techniques (E.g.Shadow clone)
cons-not as large a chakra base as many of the others (Possibly??)

4th Hokage (AKA Konohas Yellow flash)
pros-Flying thundergod allows light speed traveling, Exceptional speed,Frog summoning
cons-requires special kunai/seals to perform thundergod technique

5th Hokage (Aka legendary Sannin)
pros-powerful strength attacks,great medical ninjutsu, good at dodging attacks, summon slugs
cons-strength attacks quite slow, some medical ninjutsus hamper fighting ability

Looking at this the 4ths speed would allow him to quickly dispatch his opponents (Who wouldn't be able to catch him) and so win
2nd place would go to either the 3rd or the 1st as they would be closely matched
3rd would be the 2nd hokage followed by Tsunade whos strength attacks would be too slow to be effective and would eventually lose.


Correction it clearly state the signature move of the forth the flying thundergod was never taught to anyone else and no-one has been able to replicate that technique.


how can he be the BEST????????????

HE'S DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Sarutobi would own him

Sartobi would make him look like a fool

the 3rd is/was the best!!

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

how can he be the BEST????????????

HE'S DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
So is the First,Second and Third (And remember the forth died fighting the Kyuubi which has got virtually limitless power)

Sarutobi would own him
How????? Minato was above him in terms of fighting ability.

Sartobi would make him look like a fool
Not in a million years

the 3rd is/was the best!!
Nah the 4th is/was/will alway be the best.

[hyugamaster]

but where is ur proof

talk is cheap

but since sarutobi was alive during the series we have proof

tsunade even says that he was the greatest hokage because he had such an influence on the young

[Doctor Octogonapus]

So is the First,Second and Third (And remember the forth died fighting the Kyuubi which has got virtually limitless power)


Really?
Pit Fall right there.
He went into battle and killed himself immediately.
How I know this?
He's a last resort.
He's the big shot.
The Hokage.
You don't send the MVP in at the start of the fight.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Really?
Pit Fall right there.
He went into battle and killed himself immediately.
How I know this?
He's a last resort.
He's the big shot.
The Hokage.
You don't send the MVP in at the start of the fight.

Whats your point??


tsunade even says that he was the greatest hokage because he had such an influence on the young
This has nothing to do with fighting ability but with the fact that he was an excellent leader of the village who helped it to prosper in peace for a long time (Until Orochimaru came along)

[hyugamaster]

i still think that sarutobi is the ultimate fighter because he took on both the 1st and the 2nd hokage at the same time in his old age

so i think he can take minato in his prime

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

i still think that sarutobi is the ultimate fighter because he took on both the 1st and the 2nd hokage at the same time in his old age
They were only clones not the real hokages.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Whats your point??

My point is all he did was sacrifice himself.
He didn't fight.
He went in, and finished the fight.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

My point is all he did was sacrifice himself.
He didn't fight.
He went in, and finished the fight.
In the end that was the only way to stop the Kyuubi and I suppose it depends on what you consider a fight?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Killing Yourself does not equal a fight.

[hyugamaster]

it wasnt really a fight

more of a sacrifice

[Muffin]

It WAS a fight. The 4th fought the Kyuubi. He finally came to conclusion that he needed to sacrifice himself to seal the demon.

Gamabunta was summoned, he wouldn't have summoned him just to kill himself.

The 3rd knew all the techniques in Konoha at the time of his death. He did not know the flying thundergod technique or the body flicker, they were techniques the 4th took to his grave.

The 4th was the strongest.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

It WAS a fight. The 4th fought the Kyuubi. He finally came to conclusion that he needed to sacrifice himself to seal the demon.

Gamabunta was summoned, he wouldn't have summoned him just to kill himself.

The 3rd knew all the techniques in Konoha at the time of his death. He did not know the flying thundergod technique or the body flicker, they were techniques the 4th took to his grave.

The 4th was the strongest.


Wrong. The 4th was the Hokage.
you don't throw in the best fighter in the village. He was most likely with Kushina, then it got out of control, and he had to go.
It wasn't a fight.
It even said so.
First Episode, the Fourth appeared. You cannot appear and have an epic battle in those first miliseconds.

The 3rd knew EVERY Konoha Technique unless said otherwise. Meaning Bloodline and Mokuton. That's it. Those were the one ones he didn't know.

[The8tailed1]

Wrong. The 4th was the Hokage.
you don't throw in the best fighter in the village. He was most likely with Kushina, then it got out of control, and he had to go.
It wasn't a fight.
It even said so.
First Episode, the Fourth appeared. You cannot appear and have an epic battle in those first miliseconds.

The 3rd knew EVERY Konoha Technique unless said otherwise. Meaning Bloodline and Mokuton. That's it. Those were the one ones he didn't know.

Knowledge is power and in that regard the 3rd wins hands down but in term of power he is the weakest.

So when you have someone with both power and brains it goes without saying that they will win.

So 4th wins.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Knowledge is power and in that regard the 3rd wins hands down but in term of power he is the weakest.

So when you have someone with both power and brains it goes without saying that they will win.

So 4th wins.

The 3rd is incredibly smart.
And apparently someone hasn't read anything that I've said...
The 3rd knows every Konoha jutsu minus the Mokuton and Bloodline techniques, which includes the 4th's technique.
Rasengan.
Chidori.
Thundergod.
How's that for power?

[The8tailed1]

The 3rd is incredibly smart.
And apparently someone hasn't read anything that I've said...
The 3rd knows every Konoha jutsu minus the Mokuton and Bloodline techniques, which includes the 4th's technique.
Rasengan.
Chidori.
Thundergod.
How's that for power?

If you use a technique that someone knows you know then they can easily counter it with and move that can cancel it out.

So if the fourth knows that the 3rd knows all of konoha's techniques then all he has to do is devise a way to counter them and that includes his own moves.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

If you use a technique that someone knows you know then they can easily counter it with and move that can cancel it out.

So if the fourth knows that the 3rd knows all of konoha's techniques then all he has to do is devise a way to counter them and that includes his own moves.

That's impossible.
The 4th has Wind.
The 3rd has Wind, Water, Fire, Earth and Lightning.

[duckofdoom99]

Yeah the 3rd will win this he knows way to many jutsu to be stopped. I mean he beat the 1st and 2nd hokage, granted they were clones, but they still used their jutsu and he fought both of them along with orochimaru.

[Muffin]

Wrong. The 4th was the Hokage.
you don't throw in the best fighter in the village. He was most likely with Kushina, then it got out of control, and he had to go.
It wasn't a fight.
It even said so.
First Episode, the Fourth appeared. You cannot appear and have an epic battle in those first miliseconds.

The 3rd knew EVERY Konoha Technique unless said otherwise. Meaning Bloodline and Mokuton. That's it. Those were the one ones he didn't know.

So the Hokage is supposed to wait his turn while everyone else goes and dies..?

It WAS a fight. Gamabunta was summoned there, why else would he be there if he sealed it as soon as he appeared.

The 3rd did not know the Flying Thudergod technique, there is no proof that he did, there is no proof he could do even the body flicker.

That's impossible.
The 4th has Wind.
The 3rd has Wind, Water, Fire, Earth and Lightning.

That is not fact. It was never fully explained in true depths all the 4ths abilities. It was explained throughout the manga that the 4th was the GREATEST shinobi to come out of the lead village.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

So the Hokage is supposed to wait his turn while everyone else goes and dies..?


Your right. That's stupid. Let's send in the best we've got to get killed first so no one else survives. You have a point a there. If the fourth goes in first less people die in the first few minutes but in the long run everyone dies.

It WAS a fight. Gamabunta was summoned there, why else would he be there if he sealed it as soon as he appeared.

BECAUSE YOU CANT LEVEL WITH A GIANT FOX AT 6 FEET OFF THE GROUND.
You have to be at the things level.


The 3rd did not know the Flying Thudergod technique, there is no proof that he did, there is no proof he could do even the body flicker.

He knew it. You want proof?
"The third knew everyone of Konoha's Existing jutsu. That of course, leaves out Bloodline and Mokuton. NOT Thundergod. The 3rd knew it.


That is not fact. It was never fully explained in true depths all the 4ths abilities. It was explained throughout the manga that the 4th was the GREATEST shinobi to come out of the lead village.

He was said to be the strongest, sure.
Is he though?
No.
The 3rd was incredibly incredibly under-credited.
The 1st was as well.
The 1st and 3rd were the best two, but in a fight the 4th would beat the 1st, not the 3rd though.

[hyugamaster]

there is no proof he could do even the body flicker.



.

every GENIN can do the body flicker

it is required of u to know it to graduate from the academy

[Muffin]

Your right. That's stupid. Let's send in the best we've got to get killed first so no one else survives. You have a point a there. If the fourth goes in first less people die in the first few minutes but in the long run everyone dies.


BECAUSE YOU CANT LEVEL WITH A GIANT FOX AT 6 FEET OFF THE GROUND.
You have to be at the things level.




He knew it. You want proof?
"The third knew everyone of Konoha's Existing jutsu. That of course, leaves out Bloodline and Mokuton. NOT Thundergod. The 3rd knew it.




He was said to be the strongest, sure.
Is he though?
No.
The 3rd was incredibly incredibly under-credited.
The 1st was as well.
The 1st and 3rd were the best two, but in a fight the 4th would beat the 1st, not the 3rd though.

The 4th wasn't just sitting around idly by having a nice cup of tea until they tell him that unless he himself goes everyone will die. The reason people were even fighting it was to buy time for the 4th to get there.

And NOWHERE in the manga does it state that the 4th did nothing other than seal the kyuubi, he fought it and resorted to giving his life in sealing it.

The third knew everyone of Konoha's Existing jutsu. That of course, leaves out Bloodline and Mokuton.

So i guess there were tons of people in Konoha after the 4th who could use the thundergod technique then huh?

So everyone throughout the entire manga who says the 4th was the greatest shinobi to come out of Konoha secretly means besides the 1st and 3rd?

No the 4th is the strongest.

every GENIN can do the body flicker

it is required of u to know it to graduate from the academy

False.

[Muffin]

The 4th wasn't just sitting around idly by having a nice cup of tea until they tell him that unless he himself goes everyone will die. The reason people were even fighting it was to buy time for the 4th to get there.

And NOWHERE in the manga does it state that the 4th did nothing other than seal the kyuubi, he fought it and resorted to giving his life in sealing it.

The third knew everyone of Konoha's Existing jutsu. That of course, leaves out Bloodline and Mokuton.

So i guess there were tons of people in Konoha after the 4th who could use the thundergod technique then huh?

So everyone throughout the entire manga who says the 4th was the greatest shinobi to come out of Konoha secretly means besides the 1st and 3rd?

No the 4th is the strongest.


every GENIN can do the body flicker

it is required of u to know it to graduate from the academy

False.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

The 4th wasn't just sitting around idly by having a nice cup of tea until they tell him that unless he himself goes everyone will die. The reason people were even fighting it was to buy time for the 4th to get there.

Exactly! The 4th wasn't there.
And then it said...Then the Famous 4th Hokage Appeared and sealed the demon inside of a newborn baby...and then it showed a naked baby covered in things I'd like to pretend weren't on him.

And NOWHERE in the manga does it state that the 4th did nothing other than seal the kyuubi, he fought it and resorted to giving his life in sealing it.

Your right. Not in the manga, because that part in the manga was on the 1st page of Volume 1 and did not appear in the Chapters, you have to own Volume one to read it. But in the Anime, it does say it.



So i guess there were tons of people in Konoha after the 4th who could use the thundergod technique then huh?

No, just him and the 3rd that we know of.

So everyone throughout the entire manga who says the 4th was the greatest shinobi to come out of Konoha secretly means besides the 1st and 3rd?

No.
They said the 3rd and the 1st were the greatest as well.
The 1st Formed the Village and brought it through the age of war. He is one of the greatest.
The 3rd did some shit too that we don't know of, but Iruka called him the Greatest Hokage.
And yes, the 4th was called the Greatest too.

No the 4th is the strongest.


No he's not.

The 3rd knows all of the 4th's techniques plus thousands more.
I've stated this many times.
Do I need to shoot it up in lights?

The 3rd knows all of the 4th's techniques plus thousands more.

[duckofdoom99]

So the Hokage is supposed to wait his turn while everyone else goes and dies..?

It WAS a fight. Gamabunta was summoned there, why else would he be there if he sealed it as soon as he appeared.

The 3rd did not know the Flying Thudergod technique, there is no proof that he did, there is no proof he could do even the body flicker.



That is not fact. It was never fully explained in true depths all the 4ths abilities. It was explained throughout the manga that the 4th was the GREATEST shinobi to come out of the lead village.

the proof that he knew those jutsu are in that it was said the 3rd knows every jutsu minus bloodline limits and wood jutsu. EVERY JUTSU MINUS BLOODLINE LIMITS AND WOOD JUTSU DOES NOT MEAN EVERY JUTSU MINUS BLOODLINE LIMITS WOOD JUTSU AND THE 4THS JUTSUS IT MEANS EVERY JUTSU, BUT BLOODLINE LIMITS WOOD JUTSU. also yes the hokage is not the first to fight that would be idiotic. Yes lets send in our leader right now so he can die and then we can be screwed. No!!!!! First you see if the weaker people can beat the enemy so you dont have to use your best/leader first and put him into danger for no reason. Like in the old days when the kings were soldiers you didnt send the king into battle first he went last or stood on the back lines and wasn't used to fight unless he had to. and it wasnt really a fight he probably summoned gamabunta so he could see eye to eye with the kyuubi i mean that thing was huge and i doubt the soul reaper works on a leg or toe. and the 4th may be the greatest to come out of the leaf village, but if the 3rd knows all his techniques and more then clearly the 3rd has become greater maybe not in skill alone, but in knowledge of jutsu yes.

[KyubiiRage]

4th would win.Sarutobi cant keep up with him and Yondaime can just do Rasengan on him

[Doctor Octogonapus]

4th would win.Sarutobi cant keep up with him and Yondaime can just do Rasengan on him

READ!
It's what you do to stay in a debate!
Sarutobi knows Rasengan.
Sarutobi knows ThunderGod.
They would be equals if it weren't for the fact that Sarutobi knows thousands more jutsu.

[Muffin]

Exactly! The 4th wasn't there.
And then it said...Then the Famous 4th Hokage Appeared and sealed the demon inside of a newborn baby...and then it showed a naked baby covered in things I'd like to pretend weren't on him.



Your right. Not in the manga, because that part in the manga was on the 1st page of Volume 1 and did not appear in the Chapters, you have to own Volume one to read it. But in the Anime, it does say it.





No, just him and the 3rd that we know of.



No.
They said the 3rd and the 1st were the greatest as well.
The 1st Formed the Village and brought it through the age of war. He is one of the greatest.
The 3rd did some shit too that we don't know of, but Iruka called him the Greatest Hokage.
And yes, the 4th was called the Greatest too.




No he's not.

The 3rd knows all of the 4th's techniques plus thousands more.
I've stated this many times.
Do I need to shoot it up in lights?

The 3rd knows all of the 4th's techniques plus thousands more.

It said that because it going into details would be unnecessary.

It says that the village assembled many shinobi, but one brave shinobi was able to seal it but he lost his life. Seeing as how Gamabunta was summoned he wouldn't have been summoned for any reason other than fighting.

No, just the 4th that we know of.
Fixed.

They said the 4th was THE STRONGEST. The number of jutsu the 3rd can do doesn't matter. The 4th was stronger. He was all around more powerful than the 3rd. The entire theme of the story is that the previous generation is outdone by the next.


also yes the hokage is not the first to fight that would be idiotic. Yes lets send in our leader right now so he can die and then we can be screwed. No!!!!! First you see if the weaker people can beat the enemy so you dont have to use your best/leader first and put him into danger for no reason.

So when an opponent like the Kyuubi comes into Konoha and smashes up the place killing people and destroying the city, they're expected to throw the weakest first in a pointless effort when they know they will get killed? The Hokage went in to PREVENT anyone else from dying, it was his choice NOT the villages.

Like in the old days when the kings were soldiers you didnt send the king into battle first he went last or stood on the back lines and wasn't used to fight unless he had to
Too. Many. Movies.

and it wasnt really a fight he probably summoned gamabunta so he could see eye to eye with the kyuubi i mean that thing was huge and i doubt the soul reaper works on a leg or toe.

A soul is a soul. It has no actual form. The dead demon sealing was said to drain ALL the strength out of the casters opponent so size wouldn't matter as the Kyuubi couldn't do anything.

and the 4th may be the greatest to come out of the leaf village, but if the 3rd knows all his techniques and more then clearly the 3rd has become greater maybe not in skill alone, but in knowledge of jutsu yes.

If the 4th is the greatest that would mean that he is stronger than anyone else WITHOUT a doubt. That includes the Hokages.

[duckofdoom99]

ok first of all kings not going into battle is not movies that is what happened. A long time ago kings were picked based on fighting ability and yet they didn't go into battle first even though they are the best fighters they stood back so they wouldn't die. Also yes the weakest go first because if they can win why use the stronger guys and risk their lives.
The number of jutsu does matter. The 3rd can whip out a jutsu the 4th has never seen before and how will he stop it. also it give variety to what he can do and he has a lot of killing moves. for example chidori, rasengan, body flicker thundergod.
He didnt fight the kyubii he came and ended the slaughter when he couldnt win as i said earlier gama was most likely there so the 4th would be at eye level because i doubt the soul reaper would work as well on kyuubis leg or toe because the soul isnt in the entire body perse it is probably centralized like when the third used it he went for the chest not the friggin toe.
The 4th may have more natural skill and be greater in the sense that he learned his jutsu easier, but the 3rd is greater in the sense that he knows all of minato's, all of nidaime's, all of konoha's jutsus. And yes that does make him a greater hokage. When they said the 4th was the greatest they probably ment cuz he saved the village in the kyubii attack not because he was stronger then the rest or they would have said stronger not greatest. GREATEST DOES NOT EQUAL STRONGEST. also as majinsharingan pointed out they said the same about the 3rd and the 1st.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

It says that the village assembled many shinobi, but one brave shinobi was able to seal it but he lost his life. Seeing as how Gamabunta was summoned he wouldn't have been summoned for any reason other than fighting.

Again...READ!

You have to be level with something before using that jutsu, you can't do it otherwise, you can be sucking the soul out of their feet or above their head.
You have to be at their level.


No, just the 4th that we know of.

Geez, what can you not read those words?
THE THIRD KNEW EVERY SINGLE KONOHA TECHNIQUE BESIDES MOKUTON AND BLOODLINE TECHNIQUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You get it that time? I've said it enough, any other posts like the one I'm quoting will be taken as spam.


They said the 4th was THE STRONGEST.

No. They didn't. They said he was the greatest.

The number of jutsu the 3rd can do doesn't matter. The 4th was stronger. He was all around more powerful than the 3rd. The entire theme of the story is that the previous generation is outdone by the next.


Yes, you are right, when the 3rd was 70 and the 4th was 20 the 4th was stronger. You know why? Because there's a sentence Sarutobi used a lot, called "OH MY GOD DAMN HIP!" he was friggin old! When Sarutobi was at his prime, and when Minato was at his, Sarutobi was stronger. He knew every jutsu that exsisted in Konoha other than Mokuton and Bloodline techniques. That's all 5 elements, versus 1. Tell me how does jutsu not matter when it's Wind versus Earth?
Or Fire versus Water?
Tell me how does jutsu not matter when it's Rasengan versus Rasengan, or Thundergod vs. Thundergod? Please explain how the 3rd matching the 4th in speed and strength, but overpowering him in Brains and Jutsu...doesn't result in the 4th's defeat?



If the 4th is the greatest that would mean that he is stronger than anyone else WITHOUT a doubt. That includes the Hokages.

They said the 3rd was the Greatest and the 1st was the greatest.
It's not your decision to believe one thing and not to believe the rest, the manga said it. THATS IT. You can't change it, you can't twist it. What the manga says, is what the manga says. The 1st, 3rd and 4th were all called the greatest. That leaves us to figure out who was the greatest out of those three.
Fire beats Wood.
Minato's too fast for Shodamine.
The 1st is out.
Sarutobi knows all of Minato's techniques, yet Minato doesn't know the extent of Sarutobi's.
Sarutobi has Rasengan, Chidori, Thundergod, Death Seal, He has everything pretty much.
Against someone who has a small, tiny little piece of the pie.
It's like The President against a Janitor.
Which wins in terms of power?
Do we all answer to a 40 year old named Yani?
No!
Because the person with the biggest amount of power....has the biggest amount of power.

That explanation was incredibly redundant. It's comparing the same thing, but one of those things has so much more. Like Apple to Fruit Basket. Minato to Sarutobi.

Also...that's true....every generation surpasses the one that came before it.
It never says anything about the one that came before that.

[KyubiiRage]

READ!
It's what you do to stay in a debate!
Sarutobi knows Rasengan.
Sarutobi knows ThunderGod.
They would be equals if it weren't for the fact that Sarutobi knows thousands more jutsu.

How do you know he can do Rasengan.And it is said that the fourth was the greatest ninja of Konoha ever produced.And he cant do Chidori.He needs Sharingan for it.It isnt written anywhere that he can do chidori or rasengan.Not even in the Manga.Same goes for ThunderGod

[duckofdoom99]

first of all you don't need sharingan to use chidori, you just need speed and ability to focus chakra to your plam. Also it was written that the third can use every jutsu except bloodline limits and the 1sts wood ninjutsu. EVERY JUTSU THAT INCLUDES RASENGAN, CHIDORI, THUNDERGOD AND MANY MANY MORE. The fourth may very well be the fratest, but only greatest in natural talent. Sarutobi is better in number of jutsu learned and brains. Also GREATER DOES NOT MEAN STRONGER. You can be great for a lot of reason, but it doesn't mean that he is stronger or would win in a fight. The 4th is only considered the greatest because he saved the village by killing kyubii with the soul reaper. And even so the 1st and 3rd were also called the greatest.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Ok leaving aside the whole who said who was greater lets look at things shall we?
First I think the summoning of Gamabunta was done simply because it looked cool on the anime. Realistically it would be useless against the fox who would tear him to peaces in a few seconds and the whole 4th thing was he turned up and performed the Death God technique. Why you ask? simple because no matter how many Ninjas he threw at Kyuubi the death god technique was the only thing possible of stopping it from killing everyone so he turned up and immediately did his technique all the bit before that with the Ninjas attacking was simply to stall it so that he could prepare the sealing (Eg Get Naruto, prepare to summon etc). End of story.

As for the Third he didn't know the flying thundergod as it is clearly stated (The Technique being unique to the Forth and never passed to anybody before he died). If you actually read the Manga the Third knew all of the Existing techniques however when the 4th died he took the secret of the flying thundergod with him effectively meaning it no longer existed.
Also he supposedly knew all the techniques but this was never confirmed nor denied so this is actually not a fact merely a supposed observation.
Lastly knowing a technique and using a technique are two completely different things. a good example was Kaskashi who showed that although he could use Rasengan it wouldn't be very strong. Taking this limitation to the Third it is clearly shown in the fight that although he knows wind and water and lightning his strength lies in Earth and Fire meaning any others not Fire/Earth probably wouldn't be a powerful as normal for a natural user.

So It is still my opinion that the Forth would win simply because of the Flying Thundergod.

[Muffin]

Again...READ!

You have to be level with something before using that jutsu, you can't do it otherwise, you can be sucking the soul out of their feet or above their head.
You have to be at their level.




Geez, what can you not read those words?
THE THIRD KNEW EVERY SINGLE KONOHA TECHNIQUE BESIDES MOKUTON AND BLOODLINE TECHNIQUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You get it that time? I've said it enough, any other posts like the one I'm quoting will be taken as spam.




No. They didn't. They said he was the greatest.



Yes, you are right, when the 3rd was 70 and the 4th was 20 the 4th was stronger. You know why? Because there's a sentence Sarutobi used a lot, called "OH MY GOD DAMN HIP!" he was friggin old! When Sarutobi was at his prime, and when Minato was at his, Sarutobi was stronger. He knew every jutsu that exsisted in Konoha other than Mokuton and Bloodline techniques. That's all 5 elements, versus 1. Tell me how does jutsu not matter when it's Wind versus Earth?
Or Fire versus Water?
Tell me how does jutsu not matter when it's Rasengan versus Rasengan, or Thundergod vs. Thundergod? Please explain how the 3rd matching the 4th in speed and strength, but overpowering him in Brains and Jutsu...doesn't result in the 4th's defeat?




They said the 3rd was the Greatest and the 1st was the greatest.
It's not your decision to believe one thing and not to believe the rest, the manga said it. THATS IT. You can't change it, you can't twist it. What the manga says, is what the manga says. The 1st, 3rd and 4th were all called the greatest. That leaves us to figure out who was the greatest out of those three.
Fire beats Wood.
Minato's too fast for Shodamine.
The 1st is out.
Sarutobi knows all of Minato's techniques, yet Minato doesn't know the extent of Sarutobi's.
Sarutobi has Rasengan, Chidori, Thundergod, Death Seal, He has everything pretty much.
Against someone who has a small, tiny little piece of the pie.
It's like The President against a Janitor.
Which wins in terms of power?
Do we all answer to a 40 year old named Yani?
No!
Because the person with the biggest amount of power....has the biggest amount of power.

That explanation was incredibly redundant. It's comparing the same thing, but one of those things has so much more. Like Apple to Fruit Basket. Minato to Sarutobi.

Also...that's true....every generation surpasses the one that came before it.
It never says anything about the one that came before that.

Where is your proof you have to be eye level. The Jutsu was only performed once against a small opponent. So your merely stating your opinion.

The 4th could do every jutsu in the village AT THE TIME (which was never even confirmed it was just an observation) this was after the 4th died so he did not learn the flying thundergod technique.

Perhaps you should read your manga's for once and try not to skip the pages where any character who references the 4th's power calls him the strongest shinobi to come out of the leaf village.

See now your contradicting yourself, Sarutobi at his prime would not know the thundergod or rasengan because minato wasn't born yet. And even if he was at his prime, he does not have the natural speed Minato has, Minato would pummel him into oblivion and just be one step ahead the whole time. That is what i meant when i said Jutsu's won't matter when you can't even keep up with your opponents movements.

They said that but they said the 4th was the STRONGEST aswell, no other Hokage made entire armies flee once he entered the battlefield. Perhaps you should take your own advice, just because you believe the 3rd was stronger isn't right, the manga says the 4th is stronger and that's that.

Minato isn't some brainless idiot. He would know a vast amount of jutsu's and how to counter them. He has his amazing speed to fall back on, Sarutobi does not. Sarutobi relies purely on his jutsu's, which would all be outdone by the flying thundergod.

[duckofdoom99]

First of all the thrid is still alive after the 4th dies so it would be possible for him to know techniques that the 4th knew.
They don't call the 4th the strongest they call him the greatest that is 2 different things.
Jutsus would matter. He has A lot of jutsu their is most likely one that would be useful in stopping minato's speed or he could just ue one where minato is going to be.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

How do you know he can do Rasengan.And it is said that the fourth was the greatest ninja of Konoha ever produced.And he cant do Chidori.He needs Sharingan for it.It isnt written anywhere that he can do chidori or rasengan.Not even in the Manga.Same goes for ThunderGod

He knew everyone of Konoha's techniques except Mokuton and Bloodline Techniques. Rasengan is neither, he knew it. Chidori he knew too, you don't need sharingan for it. It didn't have to be shown. It was said, which is all the proof you need.

First I think the summoning of Gamabunta was done simply because it looked cool on the anime. Realistically it would be useless against the fox who would tear him to peaces in a few seconds and the whole 4th thing was he turned up and performed the Death God technique. Why you ask? simple because no matter how many Ninjas he threw at Kyuubi the death god technique was the only thing possible of stopping it from killing everyone so he turned up and immediately did his technique all the bit before that with the Ninjas attacking was simply to stall it so that he could prepare the sealing (Eg Get Naruto, prepare to summon etc). End of story.

Agreed.

As for the Third he didn't know the flying thundergod as it is clearly stated (The Technique being unique to the Forth and never passed to anybody before he died).

1. It'd like a chapter please.
2. It never said anything about after he died.


Where is your proof you have to be eye level. The Jutsu was only performed once against a small opponent. So your merely stating your opinion.

No, I'm merely stating that to have something reach from your stomach to another's stomach you have be at the same level.
How many people's soul's do you know that are in their legs or feet? No one. It doesn't change for people, your soul is in one place and you have to be able to reach that place.


The 4th could do every jutsu in the village AT THE TIME

No he couldn't


Perhaps you should read your manga's for once and try not to skip the pages where any character who references the 4th's power calls him the strongest shinobi to come out of the leaf village.

Perhaps you should read the manga.
They said the 1st and the 3rd were the greatest too. These things don't just BOOM! POP into my head out of random.
I READ them! You don't believe me? Too bad. Go read it yourself I can give you a citing on the when they called the 3rd the greatest.

And even if he was at his prime, he does not have the natural speed Minato has, Minato would pummel him into oblivion and just be one step ahead the whole time. That is what i meant when i said Jutsu's won't matter when you can't even keep up with your opponents movements.

Who's to say Sarutobi cannot see his movements? And Sarutobi can keep up with Minato's speed, he has the thundergod as well.

They said that but they said the 4th was the STRONGEST aswell, no other Hokage made entire armies flee once he entered the battlefield. Perhaps you should take your own advice, just because you believe the 3rd was stronger isn't right, the manga says the 4th is stronger and that's that.


Seriously READ MY GOD DAMN POSTS!

I'm talking like this now cause you are ignoring half of what I say. CAN YOU READ THIS NOW? Okay! THE 3RD WAS CALLED THE STRONGEST, CALLED THE GREATEST, CALLED THE PROFESSOR BECAUSE HE KNEW ALL OF KONOHA'S EXISTING JUTSU!

You get all that?

Minato isn't some brainless idiot. He would know a vast amount of jutsu's and how to counter them.

No...he's Naruto's father....Naruto knows 7 jutsu. Minato for all we know, knows Thundergod, Summoning Jutsu, and Rasengan.
That's all we know he can do, the manga has said he knew more. So he only knew three.

He has his amazing speed to fall back on, Sarutobi does not. Sarutobi relies purely on his jutsu's, which would all be outdone by the flying thundergod.


He know the flying thunder god as well.
And plus, he's the 3rd Hokage. He won't be out done by the thunder god.

[Kisame]

i change my mind i think the third would win to now

[Muffin]

1. It'd like a chapter please.
2. It never said anything about after he died.

No, I'm merely stating that to have something reach from your stomach to another's stomach you have be at the same level.
How many people's soul's do you know that are in their legs or feet? No one. It doesn't change for people, your soul is in one place and you have to be able to reach that place.



No he couldn't




Perhaps you should read the manga.
They said the 1st and the 3rd were the greatest too. These things don't just BOOM! POP into my head out of random.
I READ them! You don't believe me? Too bad. Go read it yourself I can give you a citing on the when they called the 3rd the greatest.



Who's to say Sarutobi cannot see his movements? And Sarutobi can keep up with Minato's speed, he has the thundergod as well.




Seriously READ MY GOD DAMN POSTS!

I'm talking like this now cause you are ignoring half of what I say. CAN YOU READ THIS NOW? Okay! THE 3RD WAS CALLED THE STRONGEST, CALLED THE GREATEST, CALLED THE PROFESSOR BECAUSE HE KNEW ALL OF KONOHA'S EXISTING JUTSU!

You get all that?



No...he's Naruto's father....Naruto knows 7 jutsu. Minato for all we know, knows Thundergod, Summoning Jutsu, and Rasengan.
That's all we know he can do, the manga has said he knew more. So he only knew three.




He know the flying thunder god as well.
And plus, he's the 3rd Hokage. He won't be out done by the thunder god.


Only the 4th knew the flying thundergod. It's not like anyone else can just pick it up and use it. The 4th would have to teach them, which he did not teach anyone.

You do not reach for anything in the dead demon sealing. The death god reaches from inside you, the death god was shown to be much bigger than the caster.

So he couldn't do all the jutsu's in konoha then?

They said the 1st and 3rd were amongst the greatest, but they said time and time again the 4th was the strongest hokage.

People couldn't even see Rock Lee's movements once he took off his weights, minato is possibly the fastest ninja out of konoha, even the sharingan would ahve trouble following such movement. It's not the Thundergod that makes him so extremely quick.

Where was the 3rd ever called the strongest hokage ever? the 4th was called the strongest the 3rd wasn't.

He's the Hokage. He spent an extremely long time on the battle field, he would've encountered a huge amount of jutsu's. Just because he was Naruto's father doesn't mean he couldn't use more than 3 jutsu's he's the freakin' hokage. i can name 5 Jutsu's off the top of my head that Minato knew (4 of which he created himself). Summoning gamabunta, Shushin no Jutsu, Dead Demon sealing, Rasengan and the flying thundergod. Obviously the 4th knew alot of jutsu if he could create his own at the calibur of which were shown.

He did not. If this is a battle when all Hokages were in their prime, Sarutobi would not know Rasengan, flying thundergod or Dead demon sealing, the 4th wasn't around to teach Sarutobi in his prime. The 4th would use the flying thundergod Sarutobi would be unable to counter a jutsu like it. The jutsu's the 4th can use aren't his only strength he is also naturally much faster than Sarutobi.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Only the 4th knew the flying thundergod. It's not like anyone else can just pick it up and use it. The 4th would have to teach them, which he did not teach anyone.

The 3rd knew all existing Konoha Jutsu except Mokuton and Bloodline Techniques.
This is the last time I will say it, any other post like the one above will be taken as spam.

You do not reach for anything in the dead demon sealing. The death god reaches from inside you, the death god was shown to be much bigger than the caster.

Sarutobi vs. Orochimaru.
Death God technique, he was at Orochimaru's level.

So he couldn't do all the jutsu's in konoha then?

No he could. Just not bloodline or mokuton.

They said the 1st and 3rd were amongst the greatest, but they said time and time again the 4th was the strongest hokage.

NO. No they didn't. THE 3rd was called the greatest, the 1st was also called the greatest. Not AMONG not ALMOST. THE. They were all called the greatest. Next time you post the quote above will also be reported as spam, I'm tired of repeating myself.

People couldn't even see Rock Lee's movements once he took off his weights

Kakashi, Gai, Neji, Gaara. They all saw Lee.


Where was the 3rd ever called the strongest hokage ever? the 4th was called the strongest the 3rd wasn't.

Read the manga.

Just because he was Naruto's father doesn't mean he couldn't use more than 3 jutsu's he's the freakin' hokage. i can name 5 Jutsu's off the top of my head that Minato knew (4 of which he created himself). Summoning gamabunta, Shushin no Jutsu, Dead Demon sealing, Rasengan and the flying thundergod. Obviously the 4th knew alot of jutsu if he could create his own at the calibur of which were shown.

Right, of course.
Minato knew....

Rasengan.
Thundergod.
Clone.
Summoning.
Death Seal Jutsu
Substitution.
Transformation.

That's it.
That's all the jutsu that we know he knew.
Therefore, that's all the jutsu he knew.
We can't just make up new jutsu for him.
He knew 7 jutsu. That's all.

He did not. If this is a battle when all Hokages were in their prime, Sarutobi would not know Rasengan, flying thundergod or Dead demon sealing, the 4th wasn't around to teach Sarutobi in his prime. The 4th would use the flying thundergod Sarutobi would be unable to counter a jutsu like it. The jutsu's the 4th can use aren't his only strength he is also naturally much faster than Sarutobi.

Okay, you wanna do this? Fine.
Sarutobi at his prime, Minato isn't born.
WHAT NOW!
Sarutobi knows what he knew when he was 70, but isn't in his old age, it makes a better fight!
Shodamine, Nidamine, Sarutobi, Minato, Tsunade. They are all at their prime. They know what they know now, but they are as strong as ever. It makes for a better and fairer fight.
Cause if they're not at their prime. Tsunade wins. Because everyone else is DEAD.

[Muffin]

The 3rd knew all existing Konoha Jutsu except Mokuton and Bloodline Techniques.
This is the last time I will say it, any other post like the one above will be taken as spam.



Sarutobi vs. Orochimaru.
Death God technique, he was at Orochimaru's level.



No he could. Just not bloodline or mokuton.



NO. No they didn't. THE 3rd was called the greatest, the 1st was also called the greatest. Not AMONG not ALMOST. THE. They were all called the greatest. Next time you post the quote above will also be reported as spam, I'm tired of repeating myself.



Kakashi, Gai, Neji, Gaara. They all saw Lee.



Read the manga.



Right, of course.
Minato knew....

Rasengan.
Thundergod.
Clone.
Summoning.
Death Seal Jutsu
Substitution.
Transformation.

That's it.
That's all the jutsu that we know he knew.
Therefore, that's all the jutsu he knew.
We can't just make up new jutsu for him.
He knew 7 jutsu. That's all.



Okay, you wanna do this? Fine.
Sarutobi at his prime, Minato isn't born.
WHAT NOW!
Sarutobi knows what he knew when he was 70, but isn't in his old age, it makes a better fight!
Shodamine, Nidamine, Sarutobi, Minato, Tsunade. They are all at their prime. They know what they know now, but they are as strong as ever. It makes for a better and fairer fight.
Cause if they're not at their prime. Tsunade wins. Because everyone else is DEAD.

Repeat it all you want, he knew all the existing techniques in Konoha, the flying thundergod technique no longer existed because the 4th took it to his grave, the 4th NEVER taught the flying thundergod to anyone.

Was it explained that the technique needed to be at eye level no. All that was required was the caster to grab the opponent, which Gama couldn't have done because he wasn't the one casting the jutsu.

Good cause for a second there you lost me.

The 4th was called the strongest, Sarutobi was called one of greatest. Reporting it as spam sounds like you just not wanting to admit your wrong.

Gaara couldn't see it. His sand was just keeping up. Kakashi had the Sharingan, neji had Byakugan. Gai can move even faster than Lee. Sarutobi can not do the following:

Use any eye techniques to track the 4th's movements.
Move at the speed the 4th was capable of.
Use an automatic defense like Gaara's sand.

By the look of it you have not read the manga. Anyone who talks about the 4th throughout the manga says he was the strongest Hokage.

Ok then by that logic, the only techniques Sarutobi knew were the ones shown. It was never shown all of the 4th abilities. So please think before you post something as stupid that the 4th only knew 7 jutsu.

You've missed the point. The setting would be all Hokages in their prime in some odd time paradox fighting.

Sarutobi in his prime did not know everything he knew at 70, think it through honestly it's not that hard a concept.
But if you want to give Sarutobi ALL his knowledge that he knew at 70 to his prime, then lets give the 4th the Sharingan, and the 2nd a bijuu oh and lets give Tsunade a flying machine gun.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

The 3rd knew all existing Konoha Jutsu except Mokuton and Bloodline Techniques.
As I posted earlier this was never actually proven so he supposedly
knew all the jutsus in konoha , however when the forth died he took the flying thundergod with him meaning for all intents and puposes it no longer exists

Sarutobi vs. Orochimaru.
Death God technique, he was at Orochimaru's level.
I really think that you can pull the soul out through any part of the body (Remember the soul is in the shape of the body it inhabits) but really what difference does it make where he sucks it out from as you soul is still gone??? I also think that the giant hand plunging into the opponents chest is purely because it looks cool.

People couldn't even see Rock Lee's movements once he took off his weights, minato is possibly the fastest ninja out of konoha, even the sharingan would ahve trouble following such movement. It's not the Thundergod that makes him so extremely quick.Actually it was the thundergod that made him quick and the Sharingan wouldn't have a hope of tracking such speed (Speed of light)

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Repeat it all you want, he knew all the existing techniques in Konoha, the flying thundergod technique no longer existed because the 4th took it to his grave, the 4th NEVER taught the flying thundergod to anyone.

He was alive when the fourth was.
It was existing back then, when he was around. Iruka said he knew all of Konoha's exsiting techniques.
He never mentioned the ones that no longer exist.

Was it explained that the technique needed to be at eye level no. All that was required was the caster to grab the opponent, which Gama couldn't have done because he wasn't the one casting the jutsu.

Okay we are arguing about something that never happened. So let's stop.


The 4th was called the strongest, Sarutobi was called one of greatest. Reporting it as spam sounds like you just not wanting to admit your wrong.

No, reporting it as spam sounds like I'm starting to get pissed off having to repeat myself in every post.


By the look of it you have not read the manga. Anyone who talks about the 4th throughout the manga says he was the strongest Hokage.

No, they didn't. They said it once. ONCE. Just like they said the 3rd was the strongest..ONCE. You make it sound like they've said it in every chapter.

Ok then by that logic, the only techniques Sarutobi knew were the ones shown. It was never shown all of the 4th abilities. So please think before you post something as stupid that the 4th only knew 7 jutsu.

No. No, no.
They said Sarutobi knew all of Konoha's techniques, therefore he did. They did not say Minato knew more than 7 techniques.

Sarutobi in his prime did not know everything he knew at 70, think it through honestly it's not that hard a concept.

That's pointless. Your taking control of the fight, this isn't a battle simulator. All 5 Hokage know what they knew at death, or currently. But all of them are at their healthiest.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

As I posted earlier this was never actually proven so he supposedly
knew all the jutsus in konoha , however when the forth died he took the flying thundergod with him meaning for all intents and puposes it no longer exists


I really think that you can pull the soul out through any part of the body (Remember the soul is in the shape of the body it inhabits) but really what difference does it make where he sucks it out from as you soul is still gone??? I also think that the giant hand plunging into the opponents chest is purely because it looks cool.

Actually it was the thundergod that made him quick and the Sharingan wouldn't have a hope of tracking such speed (Speed of light)


The speed of light would physically destroy his body.
He could only do it once if at all.
It was said Sarutobi knew all of Konoha's existing jutsu.
That's all the proof you need.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

The speed of light would physically destroy his body.
The flying thundergod prevented that (Also its an anime when people can create fire from nothing and spew torrents of water from their mouths so suspend physics for a while)

He could only do it once if at all.
Wrong as long as he had chakra he do it for as long as he wanted as many times as he wanted

It was said Sarutobi knew all of Konoha's existing jutsu.
But there is no proof to back that up he supposedly knew them

That's all the proof you need.
Sorry but not enough to change my opinion that the 4th would have won

[Doctor Octogonapus]

The 3rd knew all of Konoha's Existing Techniques, he was called the Professor because of it.
It is said in the manga.
If you can't take that into account you shouldn't be in the debate.

[Muffin]

He was alive when the fourth was.
It was existing back then, when he was around. Iruka said he knew all of Konoha's exsiting techniques.
He never mentioned the ones that no longer exist.



Okay we are arguing about something that never happened. So let's stop.




No, reporting it as spam sounds like I'm starting to get pissed off having to repeat myself in every post.




No, they didn't. They said it once. ONCE. Just like they said the 3rd was the strongest..ONCE. You make it sound like they've said it in every chapter.



No. No, no.
They said Sarutobi knew all of Konoha's techniques, therefore he did. They did not say Minato knew more than 7 techniques.



That's pointless. Your taking control of the fight, this isn't a battle simulator. All 5 Hokage know what they knew at death, or currently. But all of them are at their healthiest.

Yes he said he knew all of Konoha's existing techniques...at the time he said it, which was long after the 4th died.

I can't even remember what i was arguing about lol.

They said the 3rd was strongest in the village. They said the 4th was the strongest of hokages.

They said Madara was also dead, which was later proven wrong. Why would they need to say how many jutsu the 4th knew? he could've potentially known all the jutsu Sarutobi knew, it's just he created more powerful techniques for which he was known.

It's not taking control, it's simply putting all the contenders in the fight AT THEIR PRIME. In Sarutobi's prime he did not know Rasengan or any of the 4th techniques.

Jutsu alone doesn't win a fight anyway, alot of characters do not need to pull out every move they can use when they have the natural speed the 4th did.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

They said the 3rd was strongest in the village. They said the 4th was the strongest of hokages.


No...they said both were the strongest of Hokages.


Why would they need to say how many jutsu the 4th knew? he could've potentially known all the jutsu Sarutobi knew, it's just he created more powerful techniques for which he was known.

...what?

It's not taking control, it's simply putting all the contenders in the fight AT THEIR PRIME. In Sarutobi's prime he did not know Rasengan or any of the 4th techniques.

Okay...in Sarutobi's prime, the 4th wasn't alive.
The 1st wins, because he's the oldest and he's the 1st Hokage, therefore no one is born when he was at his prime.
They are at their healthiest, they know everything they knew at death/currently.

Jutsu alone doesn't win a fight anyway, alot of characters do not need to pull out every move they can use when they have the natural speed the 4th did.

Speed doesn't win fights.
Lee vs. Gaara.
Gai vs. Kisame.
Minato vs. The Nine-Tails.

Speed'll only work against an opponent who is leagues below your skill level, if they are equals are close to the same power....speed cannot win you the fight.

[Muffin]

No...they said both were the strongest of Hokages.




...what?



Okay...in Sarutobi's prime, the 4th wasn't alive.
The 1st wins, because he's the oldest and he's the 1st Hokage, therefore no one is born when he was at his prime.
They are at their healthiest, they know everything they knew at death/currently.



Speed doesn't win fights.
Lee vs. Gaara.
Gai vs. Kisame.
Minato vs. The Nine-Tails.

Speed'll only work against an opponent who is leagues below your skill level, if they are equals are close to the same power....speed cannot win you the fight.

They said the 4th was the strongest out of all the Hokages, they said the 3rd was one of the greatest.

The flying thundergod, the rasengan, the shushin no jutsu were the techniques everyone knew the 4th for. He could've had a vast amount of other jutsu he knew but weren't required because of the power of the ones he did use.

The 2nd and 3rd (albeit very young) were alive when the 1st was at his prime. But more to the point, the fight is a paradox, and is impossible, so all contenders are used at their prime, you can't just give Sarutobi's prime knowledge he did not know.

Well the thing about those fights is:

Lee would've died even sooner if he didn't have his speed.

Gai defeated the kisame clone once he stopped f**king around.

The 9 tails fox can't die, which is why minato after fighting it came to the realization he needed to seal it.

Speed is what made the 4th so feared...he wiped out entire armies in the blink of an eye which is what made him so feared.
If they're equals and one is much faster than the other then one has an advantage, arguing that is pointless.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

But more to the point, the fight is a paradox, and is impossible, so all contenders are used at their prime, you can't just give Sarutobi's prime knowledge he did not know.

I'M GIVING EVERYONE THAT!
The 5th knows everything the 5th ever did.
The 4th knows everything the 4th ever did.
The 3rd knows everything the 3rd ever did.
The 2nd knows everything the 2nd ever did.
The 1st knows everything the 1st ever did.



If they're equals and one is much faster than the other then one has an advantage, arguing that is pointless.

Minato has vast speed.
Sarutobi has vast jutsu.
They both have advantages.

[duckofdoom99]

They said the 4th was the strongest out of all the Hokages, they said the 3rd was one of the greatest.

The flying thundergod, the rasengan, the shushin no jutsu were the techniques everyone knew the 4th for. He could've had a vast amount of other jutsu he knew but weren't required because of the power of the ones he did use.

The 2nd and 3rd (albeit very young) were alive when the 1st was at his prime. But more to the point, the fight is a paradox, and is impossible, so all contenders are used at their prime, you can't just give Sarutobi's prime knowledge he did not know.

Well the thing about those fights is:

Lee would've died even sooner if he didn't have his speed.

Gai defeated the kisame clone once he stopped f**king around.

The 9 tails fox can't die, which is why minato after fighting it came to the realization he needed to seal it.

Speed is what made the 4th so feared...he wiped out entire armies in the blink of an eye which is what made him so feared.
If they're equals and one is much faster than the other then one has an advantage, arguing that is pointless. they said the third was the greatest not one of the greatest.
as for the 4th having more jutsu it was never said that he had any other jutsu so he doesnt have them.
You can't taker away what sarutobi knows when he died just because he didnt know it at his prime. He knew the jutsu so in these fake battles he knows those jutsu.
Yes lee would have died much quicker. Gai only defeated the kisame clone with the 6th gate when the kisame clone was 30%. so yes speed may have won after increasing his strength like crazy against an opponent at 30% of his power. Speed only wins when you opponent is weaker and minatos speed puts him at the same lvl as the third not above.

[Muffin]

I'M GIVING EVERYONE THAT!
The 5th knows everything the 5th ever did.
The 4th knows everything the 4th ever did.
The 3rd knows everything the 3rd ever did.
The 2nd knows everything the 2nd ever did.
The 1st knows everything the 1st ever did.

Your putting the 70+ years of knowledge into a 20-30 year olds body, which is giving him an unfair advantage. The 4th wouldn't know as much as the 3rd did when he died because he was young when he died. Same goes for the 1st.

Sarutobi in his prime did not know the Rasengan or any of the 4th's moves.

they said the third was the greatest not one of the greatest.
as for the 4th having more jutsu it was never said that he had any other jutsu so he doesnt have them.
You can't taker away what sarutobi knows when he died just because he didnt know it at his prime. He knew the jutsu so in these fake battles he knows those jutsu.
Yes lee would have died much quicker. Gai only defeated the kisame clone with the 6th gate when the kisame clone was 30%. so yes speed may have won after increasing his strength like crazy against an opponent at 30% of his power. Speed only wins when you opponent is weaker and minatos speed puts him at the same lvl as the third not above.

Correction, it never showed any of his jutsu, because he was not required to be featured more than he has been in terms of story. The problem being is that your cramming things he couldn't have known in his prime, It would be like giving one boxer 80+ years of experience into a 20 year old body. Speed doesn't only win when your opponents weaker, Rock Lee f**ked up sasuke, with JUST his speed before the chunnin exams, while sasuke was extremely talented he was still defenseless against it.

[duckofdoom99]

Rock Lee f**ked up sasuke, with JUST his speed before the chunnin exams, while sasuke was extremely talented he was still defenseless against it.sasuke was fairly weak then he barely even knew how to use his sharingan most of the time he used it was by accident. Also at the beginning compared to everybody else lee was really powerful because most people could not have stopped his taijutsu he just got stcuk with a bad opponents in the chunnin exams.
It was not required yes, but since it never saidh e had any other jutsu you can't say he does. And you can't make sarutobi worse just because if he knew all his jutsu he would win. He knew the jutsu because he knows all konoha jutsu so in this fake fight he has them and with them he wins.
Sorry for the big font for some reason it refuses to change its size when i want it to

[Muffin]

sasuke was fairly weak then he barely even knew how to use his sharingan most of the time he used it was by accident. Also at the beginning compared to everybody else lee was really powerful because most people could not have stopped his taijutsu he just got stcuk with a bad opponents in the chunnin exams.
It was not required yes, but since it never saidh e had any other jutsu you can't say he does. And you can't make sarutobi worse just because if he knew all his jutsu he would win. He knew the jutsu because he knows all konoha jutsu so in this fake fight he has them and with them he wins.
Sorry for the big font for some reason it refuses to change its size when i want it to

At the time Sasuke was still strong compared to the rest of the Chunnin.

Ok then by that logic none of the following characters know more than 5 moves: Asuma, Kurenai, Suigetsu, Shino, Konan, Hidan, Madara, Dosu, Iruka, Tobi, Kabuto etc.

I am not making him worse. I'm using him at his prime and in his prime he did not know any of the 4ths techniques.

[duckofdoom99]

as far as we know they don't. They most likely do know more moves but it has not been said or shown that they do. In the thirds case it explicitly says he knows them all. And sasuke was not really that strong until his sharingan developed during the forest of death. Before that he was not actually that powerful and lee's taijutsu at the point was the best because none of the genin except gaara and maybe neji could have stopped it. You are making him worse he knows all the techiniques so in fake battles he will still be at his best techniques and at his best age just like all other battles involving dead people.

[KyubiiRage]

From sand=Third
From Leaf=Minato

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

In the thirds case it explicitly says he knows them all.
Actually if you read the manga properly this is an opinion/statement with no verification at all. Just because someone said "Sarutobi knows all the existing Konoha jutsu" doesn't mean he did as this cannot be proven/disproven. So until absolute proof comes out that he did this is only speculation/opinion of a character.

[Muffin]

Actually if you read the manga properly this is an opinion/statement with no verification at all. Just because someone said "Sarutobi knows all the existing Konoha jutsu" doesn't mean he did as this cannot be proven/disproven. So until absolute proof comes out that he did this is only speculation/opinion of a character.

The Manga is full of alot of contradictions aswell. Tsunade said only Jiraiya and the 4th could use the rasengan. It also said that noone (besides sakura after Tsunade taught her) could evenuse Tsunade's jutsu. Which leads to the conclusion that the 3rd couldn't have known ALL the jutsu in Konoha

[Doctor Octogonapus]

The Manga is full of alot of contradictions aswell. Tsunade said only Jiraiya and the 4th could use the rasengan. It also said that noone (besides sakura after Tsunade taught her) could evenuse Tsunade's jutsu. Which leads to the conclusion that the 3rd couldn't have known ALL the jutsu in Konoha

He knew all of Konoha's existing jutsu.
It said it.
It said he knew all of Konoha's jutsu.
This is an incredibly stupid argument.
There's no argument needed for something that was SAID.
This is like arguing if Neji's a hyuga or if Gammabunta the Toad is a Toad.
It's pointless.

[duckofdoom99]

It also said that noone (besides sakura after Tsunade taught her) could evenuse Tsunade's jutsu. Which leads to the conclusion that the 3rd couldn't have known ALL the jutsu in Konoha What? That doens't mean anything. He died before tsunade was hokage and he died before sakura was taught by tsunade. So the fact that sakura is the last to learn from her means nothing because he was already dead and could have learned from her before sakura did.
Actually if you read the manga properly this is an opinion/statement with no verification at all. Just because someone said "Sarutobi knows all the existing Konoha jutsu" doesn't mean he did as this cannot be proven/disproven. So until absolute proof comes out that he did this is only speculation/opinion of a character. Somebody saying the third knew all of konohas jutsu is a lot or proof. I'm sure they weren't just throwing it out their to trick us that would be ridiculous. When they have a character say something of importance like that the third knew konoha every jutsu they wont later be like o btw just kidding he didn't. So the proof is that it was said, why say it or why would kishimoto write it if it was a lie?

[duckofdoom99]

How many times are you going to change your mind kyubiirage? You started off saying the 4th then said the 3rd and now your back to the 4th? Any way the third wins he knows to many jutsu to lose if he is in his prime. Also if one of them(3rd or 4th) uses the death god jutsu its not really a win cuz they both die.

[Muffin]

He knew all of Konoha's existing jutsu.
It said it.
It said he knew all of Konoha's jutsu.
This is an incredibly stupid argument.
There's no argument needed for something that was SAID.
This is like arguing if Neji's a hyuga or if Gammabunta the Toad is a Toad.
It's pointless.

It also said only the 4th and Jiraiya could use the Rasengan before Naruto learnt, it has just as much weight in an argument as what Iruka said, Sarutobi himself never confirmed he could use all the jutsu. The only jutsu which was confirmed he knew of the 4th's was Dead Demon sealing. The 4th would just dominate with Jutsu only he knew.

What? That doens't mean anything. He died before tsunade was hokage and he died before sakura was taught by tsunade. So the fact that sakura is the last to learn from her means nothing because he was already dead and could have learned from her before sakura did.

Tsunade knew her techniques while the 3rd was still alive.

[duckofdoom99]

Tsunade knew her techniques while the 3rd was still alive. Yes exactly. Did you actually read what i said? Since the 3rd died before sakura started learning from tsunade, tsunade could have taught him her techniques or he could have learned them b4 she did. And either way, a lot of tsunades techniques wouldn't be considered konoha's becasue she left konoha after awhile and then learned some of them.

[Muffin]

Tsunade wouldn't have taught him them. It said noone besides Tsunade knew her techniques until she taught them to Sakura. Which means noone knew them. Sarutobi didn't even Shizune didn't know them. If he couldn't have known Tsunade's techniques there is no chance he could know the flying thundergod technique.

[duckofdoom99]

Ok he if he didn't know tsunades techniques its not because the y are difficult it because they weren't konoha techniques. He knows all konoha techniques tsunade wasn't part of konoha after her brother and lover died and she ran away from konoha to go gamble. Also him not knowing a healing jutsu proves nothing about thundergod or any other KONOHA technique.

[Shikamaru_ShadowNara]

where do they fight? cuz if ur fighting in a water place then i think the 2nd hokage would win cuz he is a master at that and tsunade is not as strong as the other hokages

[Muffin]

Ok he if he didn't know tsunades techniques its not because the y are difficult it because they weren't konoha techniques. He knows all konoha techniques tsunade wasn't part of konoha after her brother and lover died and she ran away from konoha to go gamble. Also him not knowing a healing jutsu proves nothing about thundergod or any other KONOHA technique.

If he doesn't know healing jutsu then he doesn't know all the techniques in konoha. Tsunade learnt her techniques in Konoha, she learnt them gradually when she travelled with Oro and Jiraiya. The 4th would be in the same situation, his flying thundergod would be infinently more difficult then several of Tsunade's techniques and if the 3rd couldn't know Tsunade's then he couldn't have learnt the flying thundergod or even the rasengan.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

It also said only the 4th and Jiraiya could use the Rasengan before Naruto learnt, it has just as much weight in an argument as what Iruka said, Sarutobi himself never confirmed he could use all the jutsu. The only jutsu which was confirmed he knew of the 4th's was Dead Demon sealing. The 4th would just dominate with Jutsu only he knew.

They said Sarutobi knew all of the Konoha Jutsu, BEFORE they mentioned the 4th and Rasengan.
That negates that fact.
You can't have two different things be true.
Whatever he said first, is what is true.
He has a memory problem in case you haven't noticed.
He's forgotten things left and right.
Kakashi created Chidori. No he didn't. Wait yes he did.
Madara was the first Uchiha, no he wasn't.
He created the sharingan, yes he did, wait, no he didn't.
Whatever he said first is what's true.

[Muffin]

They said Sarutobi knew all of the Konoha Jutsu, BEFORE they mentioned the 4th and Rasengan.
That negates that fact.
You can't have two different things be true.
Whatever he said first, is what is true.
He has a memory problem in case you haven't noticed.
He's forgotten things left and right.
Kakashi created Chidori. No he didn't. Wait yes he did.
Madara was the first Uchiha, no he wasn't.
He created the sharingan, yes he did, wait, no he didn't.
Whatever he said first is what's true.

No. Wrong. Try again.

If he says one thing then then says something that cancels it out whatever he said is newer is canon. It's a basic rule rule of writing. If kishi says that the 2nd had an AK-47 then the 2nd had an AK-47.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

...no no.
No, no.
True he is in control.
But it's a story.
He can't say one thing is true then, UP! 50 Chapters later I changed my mind!
Because he doesn't go back and ERASE what he said before.
It's still there.
It's still true.
Rasengan was an existing Konoha technique.
The third knew all the existing Konoha techniques.
Therefore The Third knew Rasengan!

[Muffin]

...no no.
No, no.
True he is in control.
But it's a story.
He can't say one thing is true then, UP! 50 Chapters later I changed my mind!
Because he doesn't go back and ERASE what he said before.
It's still there.
It's still true.
Rasengan was an existing Konoha technique.
The third knew all the existing Konoha techniques.
Therefore The Third knew Rasengan!

He can it's his story he can change it to any way he sees fit, if you don't agree with it you cannot disregard it. He doesn't go back to erase it because he can't, he can however negate it with new information. The Rasengan is hardly a "konoha" technique the only thing that even ties it into Konoha is that it was created there it's not like the 4th went around giving lessons about it to everyone who asked.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

The 4th easily

[Doctor Octogonapus]

1. It was created in Konoha. Therefore...it's a Konoha Technique.
2. Sure he CAN do that. It's stupid though. I'll humor you, I'll go along with it, okay?
So here's the story, okay?

Madara Uchiha founded the Uchiha clan and created the sharingan around 40 years old, he also was born into the Uchiha Clan and unlocked the sharingan at a young age.

Kakashi Hatake, created the Chidori, but he also didn't create the Chidori.

Sarutobi, knew everyone of Konoha's techniques that didn't require bloodline. Sarutobi, also didn't know all of Konoha's Techniques.

Sasuke Uchiha's body was being destroyed by the curse seal, with no way to stop it. But, his body was also not being destroyed by the curse seal.

What a GREAT story!

What's next?

Naruto is the fourth's son...but he's also not the fourths son.
Sakura is in love with Naruto...but she's also not in love with Naruto.

[Muffin]

1. It was created in Konoha. Therefore...it's a Konoha Technique.
2. Sure he CAN do that. It's stupid though. I'll humor you, I'll go along with it, okay?
So here's the story, okay?

Madara Uchiha founded the Uchiha clan and created the sharingan around 40 years old, he also was born into the Uchiha Clan and unlocked the sharingan at a young age.

Kakashi Hatake, created the Chidori, but he also didn't create the Chidori.

Sarutobi, knew everyone of Konoha's techniques that didn't require bloodline. Sarutobi, also didn't know all of Konoha's Techniques.

Sasuke Uchiha's body was being destroyed by the curse seal, with no way to stop it. But, his body was also not being destroyed by the curse seal.

What a GREAT story!

What's next?

Naruto is the fourth's son...but he's also not the fourths son.
Sakura is in love with Naruto...but she's also not in love with Naruto.

If Kishi writes it, it becomes canon. If Kishi writes that Sakura can use all 6 elemental jutsu then it becomes part of the canon. You cannot decide which is right because you don't like what he changes, it may not be a great story but thems the ropes.

And seeing as how Tsunade later says that only the 4th and Jiraiya (before Naruto learnt) knew the Rasengan, the 3rd did not know seeing as how he is the 3rd and not the 4th and his name is not Jiraiya.

[BK-nin]

no one but kakashi, jiraiya,naruto,and minato know the rasengan

jiraiya said so in the manga!!the rasengan is too much of an extreme jusu for the thid to pull off in his old age.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Okay, well they also said Sarutobi knew all the existing Konoha jutsu.
So I guess we're in a stalemate on this matter.

[Xinobi]

The first Hokage would win I think. Mokuton is a powerful kekkei genkai. If it can subdue a 4 tail Naruto then I think it can hold all the hokages down and smack them all silly. The second Hokage has water but so does the 1st. The only ones who probably stand the best chance is the 4th and 5th. Yellow flash and the slug queen. If Katsune' is summoned it could be a game over but I am not sure. But I do know if the 1st Hokage manages to catch them all it could be game over.

Also... Matt what do you mean by Naruto NOT being the 4th's son?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I was making a point.
What that point was I forgot.
But it was a point.
The manga said the Third knew every existing Konoha technique, then it said he didn't.
The manga said Kakashi created Chidori, then it said he didn't.
The manga said Madara founded the Uchiha Clan, then it said he didn't.
The manga said Madara created the sharingan, then it said he didn't.
The manga said the curse seal will destroy your body, then it said it won't.
The manga says something, and 50 chapters later says, "No, No ********** that!"
So this thread needs to be closed, because the 3rd and 4th argument is riding on two facts, one's true the other isn't and there is no way to tell which is because the manga said BOTH were true which is impossible.

Also Jay, The 3rd is a master of Fire.
Fire>Wood.
If you negate that fact your pissing off a LOT of Californians.
lol.

[Xinobi]

Logically we think Fire > Wood, I am inclined to agree. With all these inconsistencies we need a way to rationalize all of this because if what you say is true then the whole battledome needs to be closed. Can you track down all these discrepancies in your spare time? If you can that would greatly benefit the forum. If we find all of these then we can possibly demand that we get cleaner writing material or better translations if we go through the proper channels. The thing is since you made this great ground breaking statement (no I am not being sarcastic) then it has to be proved. I want to see it. So please provide the proof so every one can see because this needs to be brought to the light. Right now I do kinda believe you but we made new rules that these bold statements need to be proved. If you can not prove it then this statement needs to be deleted.

So do you want to delete it in all the places you made statements like this until you can prove it or will you have the proof this week sometime? PM me and let me know. I am excited because if you can prove this then TN.com will have done something revolutionary. Let me know ASAP.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Okay, I'm gonna have to work with Muffin and Soul on this.

Gimme a little while.

[Uchiha-Madara]

still think the 4th would win

[Doctor Octogonapus]

How?
You know the fourth has what? 5 jutsu?
Sarutobi has what? 5,000?
Sarutboi has a counter for everyone of the Fourth's Techniques, he doesn't stand a chance.

[Uchiha-Madara]

i know i know, but the 4th was the strongest one, plus his speed,...but i know he would lose...but i dont want do except it

[Xinobi]

They all would be hard pressed to beat the 1st though I think.

Matt, how is it coming? You think you can have something solid by next weekend?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

They all would be hard pressed to beat the 1st though I think.

Matt, how is it coming? You think you can have something solid by next weekend?

Yeah, I'll look up the stuff about the third tonight and I sent a PM to Soul and Muffin cause they know where The 4th and the Curse Seal stuff was said.

[tkn104]

stop spamming


i think the strongest in terms of strenth would be tsunade

but otherwise i believe it would be the 3rd hokage



its an all out battle has nothing to do with who got more strength.

But otherwise i belive it would be the 4th hokage

[tkn104]

The 1st. It's been said.


the first hokage was how many years ago?

The next generation of hokages are much better than the one before Believe it.

[hibar90]

This is a tough one. The 1st is unique and use mokuton and the second can use any water jutsu without water. Since the second might be able to flood the forest I would say the second. The second is more combative and the 1st was more supportive. Watch hokage battle.

[Rampaging_Demon]

I'm quite sure that Shodaime would win. He seems a bit more powerful in my opinion

[Rampaging_Demon]

As much as I love Tsunade, I put my bet on the 3rd. Possibly the 4th.

[hmph]

since its a all out abttle between the 5 hokages more then likly to me it would be the 1st, 2nd, and 4th since frist can make wood and land secound can make a ocean way to his advantage but as for forth well all he needs is that special dagger that only he can hear to actually do some good damage to someone so if he loss that he dun for more then likely since he can't tell were to go while doing the flash move.

[hmph]

ok for this im not sure my self they both was the greatest in thier time right so i am thinking they are a even match for each other. so my out come of this is split 50% first 50% secound just depending all on the battle.

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

the 1st wiLL win !

nidaime attacks wiLL onLy water his trees ! aLot of heLp that wiLL do !
the 1st beat madaRa in his prime so he must be a BAMF !

but i don't think he was the strongest !
hasn't is been said that the 4th was the best ninja to ever come out of konoha ?