WhiteFang Vs. Nikushimi

[Raikage's left hand]

Theme: None.

Badge: One tomoe sharingan/Bronze shuriken (whichever the winner chooses)

Duration: Till next Sunday. (i.e. one week)

The second official Battledome battle. Who's the greater combatant? Nikushimi who's came in, taken names and been relentless in his efforts to defend anything Itachi related. WhiteFang has been up against every battledomer that's crossed paths, a true veteran of the Dome and she's been tested against the best of them. Who's deserves the victory more? WHO'S HAS THE EYE OF TIGER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu9xx5Ri278) Do the battledomers feel Nikushimi's mangekyo h4x are too great for the Fang? or is her experience and abilities more broke than the broken?

Bring quotes and pieces of evidence as you see fit.

Battledomers let battle be joined!

[D.I.Y Death]

Sorry fang but Niku's sheer tenacity takes this by a frigging land slide.
http://www.talknaruto.com/showpost.php?p=889661&postcount=198
It's not just Itachi...Niku doesn't back down even when proven wrong with manga links and that gives him "the eye of the tiger". If it makes you feel better in this case the eye of the tiger is a badge of shame. :(

[linksmolecules]

Niku takes this with one blow. Seriously, DIY is right Niku is relentless and never backs down. I usually don't waste my time reading posts in the battledome, but I have to make an exception when I see Niku post.

[caleb08]

Niku takes this one.
I have never actually debated with Niku but I have kept up with alote of his debates.
Even sometimes when proven wrong he will pull something right out his ass and it will actually make sence.:facepalm:
So i'm gonna have to give this one to Niku. sorry. :confused:

[Punk_rockprincess]

Well, getting a little heated is understandable. But don't make it too rough.

However, 0ba, refrain from insults and Jack, you could always make a better attempt at grasping his point so that he doesn't get frustrated. Just a heads up for both of you, seeing that 0ba has already apologized and his comments weren't all that offensive and derogatory.

With these things in mind, you can continue on debating civilly.

As far as my stance in this debate is concerned, I believe, there are a few things to be considered, the most important thing of these being the circumstance and situation in which the tech. is being used.
As far as technique potential is concerned, Kamui is way up there. Seeing that we haven't seen too much of it all, and when we have seen it; there have been some marked improvements.
Initially, it took Kakashi a hell lot of time to set it up. His aim sucked and he admitted himself he couldn't control the barrier to the next dimension. This is the same situation as Naruto using Rasengan for the first time against Kabuto, or Konohamaru using it against Hell Realm. They weren't all that effective because of them being amateurs. But we know if mastered and used properly, Rasengan is very deadly.
Then Kakashi re-used it, but the surprise element was gone, and he also became fatigued. We must keep in mind that Kakashi was himself jumping in a valley right behind Deidara who was in the air and was now already weary and cautious of Kakashi's technique. If you go angle-wise, aiming angularly in the air is tougher, especially when you are moving and so is your target.
Then, the third time, he sucked up an entire blast. That's one very impressive feat, especially in terms of defensive ability.

So, if we view these 3 instances relatively and draw out an average.. it goes something like this:
Since Kakashi totally collapsed after using it the third time, it clearly shows he exhausted nearly all his chakra, and he went all out. Though he was depleted from the 2 shots from before, here's my ideology about that:
Initially, Kakashi was trying to economize on chakra use, given his non-Uchiha blood. And it was his first time, and he tried to get Deidara by just removing his head; but his plan back-fired due to his lack of control on the tech.
However, a true showcase of the techs power is given when he gets rid of the blast. I've seen arguments being thrown around regarding Kamui's suction force. The very fact that he sucked back an entire blast, proves that the suction force is un-imaginably immense. There wasn't even debris anywhere. He basically made an expanding blast get sucked back into another dimension. This was a do or die situation, unlike before when he was just sort of "testing" the tech out on Deidara, in rather uncomfortable circumstances and also using lesser chakra reserves, which is proven by the lesser suction force and size of the wormhole he created.

Now we come to the final instance when he used Kamui, which was arguably with very less chakra reserves. He'd already run out of half his chakra by the time the Akimichis arrived and he used a some more taijustu, Doton: Shinjuu Zanshu, another Raikiri, which hit Asura instead of Deva, and next find Kakashi buried in rubble to the chest and bleeding badly. That was probably due to Shinra Tensei. So.. I'm kinda assuming there wasn't anymore fighting. Anyhow, we do know that Kakashi was fairly low on chakra and also in a very restricted and painful position.
Then he sucked up a nail, which came from Deva's repulsive force and then he again sucked off a missile, moving in Choji's direction. Here, Kakashi demonstrates his ability to not only use Kamui without any prep time but also with point-blank accuracy, something which he lacked against Deidara, that too in the predicament he was already in.

Sum up all of this, and we begin to get a hint of the truly monstrous ability of this technique if used at full-health and chakra reserves by Kakashi, accumulating everything he has learnt till now. Gawd.

Kick your son back to life for one final showdown, eh Sakumo? xD I want MOAR Kamui. I miss the tech, as much, if not more, than Kakashi. xD The panache and sheer grace and everything of that technique is really worthy of the name it has: God's Majesty/Authority of the Gods.

Coming to Amaterasu, we have seen it more often and since now we have two users, there is more reference to and coverage of the technique. Its arguably the most powerful technique in the Narutoverse, given its practicality, unlike Kamui. Despite Kakashi's talent; I think, him being a non-Uchiha and the only user puts a bar on the tech in the first place. Amaterasu on the other hand has been used by two powerful Uchiha, without much taxation of having non-Uchiha blood. Hence a fair weighing of the two techs is difficult. But oh well. Amaterasu though very deadly, has known counters, regardless of the otherwise fatalistic nature of the tech and abilities of the user. Kamui on the otherhand has no known set defensive counters, apart from evasion, the success of which is directly dependent on the skill of the user. Which gives Kamui a slight edge. Also, Amaterasu, though also useful as defensive tech (in terms of counter action; like Itachi used against Sasuke's Gokakyou), does not match to Kamui's ability to reverse otherwise impossible to stop events. For example, if you used Amaterasu on the missile, it would have been pointless, as we've seen Amaterasu takes a bit of time to burn up something completely (Karin being the most glaring example) and hence a burning Amaterasu missile would've hit Choji. Same applies for Deidara's blast. Which just makes me lean on Kamui.

Its best to put these two stalwart techniques as equals, as they are both exceptional in a given situation and very very haxed. :D



guys hello...
can't yew see how fang always replies on to the point.. rather than using slangs like c*** like others..
her posts are based on facts...true facts...
ok i think i don't need to justify this to anyone..
i feel she never kneels down..
everyone has a right to vote for the person he or she feels deserving..
so unlike others my vote goes to fang..whitefang..

[MinatoNamikaze]

hmm this is a tough one for me cause there completely different debators, but i have to say Id rather face 10 fangs than one niku tbh. I think Niku is much more fierce cause fang is just too nice :hug: :lol: So in the context of THIS battle, im giving my vote to Niku

[0ba]

I find it hard to give a reason why Fang-chan would win. :S
Or why Niku would win as well. Niku's funny, and I now lol whenever I see/hear the word 'chuunin' or 'chuunin-level'.
But it's obvious to see why she's a mod. She's totally objective and (most times :p) unbiased. First she's saying Kakashi would pwn Kisame, then next thing is that God Pein would single-handedly pwn Kakashi. Don't know how she does it, but she has this knack for ending debates. Like the Amaterasu v Kamui one PrP posted earlier. Just one post. Makes it look easy. And I don't see her getting offended or personal, and she's not arrogant.
As MN says, maybe it's a bad thing that she's too nice. :lol:

She's an excellent debater, like Niku is, but I've seen her do this ever since I joined this site and started logging on regularly, much longer than I've seen Niku do it. And I just feel she's better at it. Niku did a great job at trying to conquer the battledome here though. No sarcasm intended.

Fang-chan has my vote. Because she'd kill me if I didn't vote for her. xD
jkjkjkjk

For being more level-headed, better at making her points VERY clear and simple, and less biased.

[X-Drake]

Niku, for his funny yet distructive posts.

[taiyana_chan]

Eh...my TN aunt and uncle...

it's really a tough one for me. They're both good debaters in different ways...but this one has to go to Fang for me [sorry Niku!]
she's more level-headed and rational.

[Raikage's left hand]

So this brings the tally to:
Fang - 3
Niku - 5

Looks like this one's going to come close.

M04R VOTES NOA!

[Nikushimi]

*comes in wearing a cheesy mustache-nose-and-glasses ensemble*

I vote for Niku lololol he's a pretty cool guy and the reason Enzyte was invented was so guys could be more like him. http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1428/itachizaru3.jpg





J/k, gaiz. Carry on. I am enjoying the responses so far. I can see how it's a tough call, though, since we're very different in how we approach debates; I'm cocky, aggressive, and biased as hell, she's more level-headed and willing to go with the flow, with only a bit of bias for Kakashi. Kind of like comparing apples to oranges. Oranges are way better, though. :P


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EDIT: Muffin, I think you're teh c00lest the tally is perfect.

EDIT by the real Nikushimi: I see what you did there...

[Smiley]

Gotta go with Niku. Not just because I agree with his reasoning and opinions most of the times, but I feel that he is a little better debater overall, and more knowledgeable - not just in Naruto but animes/mangas in general (just read through that hierarchy of manga verses thread to get the idea). His posts also never cease to make me laugh hard, with all the Gai solo'ing Lain (a high-tier reality warper, I lol'd) and the Beyonder with a kick @ 300 km/h, Jiraiya's "Chuunin-levelry" and such.

Anyway, no hard feeling for Fang, of course. I've really got respect for her, too, for her well-structured and thought out arguments, I just feel Niku is a little better. And again, I assure you it's not just because I agree with him most times.

[Jackums]

This is hard.

It's is difficult to go against Niku. He has shown a massive knowledge of multiple anime/manga. He can debate his way out of pretty much any situation. He has shown the ability to go against manga evidence and still be successful. Although his flaws lay in his bias, attitude, and tendancy to get a bit extreme.

Fang is a superb debator. Also has a great knowledge of manga/anime, although not as wide as Niku's. She is always calm and level-headed. She's barely ever biased, and shows great respect to her opposition. She has displayed her abilities. And I personally think she's one of TN's best debators.

Although, even putting his flaws into consideration, I'm voting for Niku.
His massive, although sometimes extreme posts, continue to impress me.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

I'm gonna throw in my vote for Fang

Fang has been well summed up by the others as level headed, unbiased and although she lacks the in your face quality of Niku she always seems to just shut the opposition down with a smile and a hug. Niku on the other hand is too in your face and his Itachi fandom which I have faced many many times sometimes seems to overwhelm him a little too much and detract from his posts.

So in the end Fang takes this for me because she has a little more substance compared to Nikus style.
And that edges her ahead.

[Raikage's left hand]

Alright this brings the total tally to:

The Mighty Mangekyo Madman Nikushimi: 7

The Wily Witty Wildcat WhiteFang: 4

We'll keep you posted until the end of this ferocious battle sports fans!!

[Nikushimi]

Alright this brings the total tally to:

The Mighty Mangekyo Madman Nikushimi: 7

The Wily Witty Wildcat WhiteFang: 4

We'll keep you posted until the end of this ferocious battle sports fans!!

Hey Muffin, I think you messed up. That's not alliterative. It goes from "M" to "N." :P

[Raikage's left hand]

Hey Muffin, I think you messed up. That's not alliterative. It goes from "M" to "N." :P

Yea i know. I only had Mangekyo user in mind when i was thinking it.... but I'm too lazy to go back and think of something better and change it. :^^:

[GangstaKage]

My vote goes for fang...

She's more level headed and primarily unbiased. She has large amounts of knowledge as does Nikushimi but she never looses her cool. Also she's willing to admit that she's except that she was wrong in part or all of her response when proven so, but Niku is just to cocky and arrongant to accept that himself. I know having to opposing parties is what really gets a debate going but people aren't going to want to debate with him alot because even after he's been proven wrong thousands of times he still insists that he is right.

But in Niku's favor his posts are very well thought out and long. He closes up as much loop holes to things as possible with his explanations.

But again I vote for fang :)

[Nikushimi]

She's more level headed and primarily unbiased. She has large amounts of knowledge as does Nikushimi but she never looses her cool. Also she's willing to admit that she's except that she was wrong in part or all of her response when proven so, but Niku is just to cocky and arrongant to accept that himself. I know having to opposing parties is what really gets a debate going but people aren't going to want to debate with him alot because even after he's been proven wrong thousands of times he still insists that he is right.

Except I've never been proven wrong.

Yea i know. I only had Mangekyo user in mind when i was thinking it.... but I'm too lazy to go back and think of something better and change it. :^^:

I was sure you were going to edit my post like last time...

What about "the Narcissistic Nuclear Newbie Nutcase"? I can think of PLENTY of good "N" words to use. http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9735/zarularge.jpg

[KidnappedInnocence]

ha!
fang so is da best
when fang ends entire debates
with one post and keeps calm and collected.

my vote goes to fang.
easy win for her

[WhiteFang]

Except I've never been proven wrong.
There you go Ryan.. he proves your point. :xd:

And I'd correct that statement "Except that I never accept I've been proven wrong"


Btw, thanks to everyone who's voted for me.
And even to those who haven't voted for me. ^^

Its just that its great to hear that you think I'm "nice". It means a lot to me. Aggression was never really my thing, and I like stuff to be peaceful and tranquil. I'll strive to keep up those qualities of mine. :D

[Raikage's left hand]

Except the times I've been proven wrong like how Jiraiya beats Itachi or Hashirama > Madara oh and Pein losing to Itachi.

Fixed.

Boy that was a doozie of a typo.

I was sure you were going to edit my post like last time...

What about "the Narcissistic Nuclear Newbie Nutcase"? I can think of PLENTY of good "N" words to use. http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9735/zarularge.jpg

I didn't edit anyone's post :^^:

Nah. I like what enough to not want to go back and change it :lol:

[Nikushimi]

There you go Ryan.. he proves your point. :xd:

And I'd correct that statement "Except that I never accept I've been proven wrong"


No, I've simply never been proven wrong. Evar.

Its just that its great to hear that you think I'm "nice". It means a lot to me. Aggression was never really my thing, and I like stuff to be peaceful and tranquil. I'll strive to keep up those qualities of mine. :D

I get to be the foil to that. ^____________^

Fixed.

Boy that was a doozie of a typo.

Fixed schmixed. Itachi would defeat Shodai and Jiraiya at the same time with moderate difficulty. Current Madara would defeat them with minor difficulty. Itachi defeats Pain with high difficulty, Madara defeats Pain with minor difficulty. If you want to prove me wrong, we can take it to the MBD where I can show you the full power of my cookie monsters. http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9251/zaruhammer.gif

I didn't edit anyone's post :^^:

Nah. I like what enough to not want to go back and change it :lol:

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[Raikage's left hand]

Fixed schmixed. Itachi would defeat Shodai and Jiraiya at the same time with moderate difficulty. Current Madara would defeat them with minor difficulty. Itachi defeats Pain with high difficulty, Madara defeats Pain with minor difficulty. If you want to prove me wrong, we can take it to the MBD where I can show you the full power of my cookie monsters. http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9251/zaruhammer.gif

Sif fool.

Jiraiya drowns Itachi like a baby kitten with plenty of difficulty.
Pein gang rapes Itachi.
Hashirama is superior to Madara in canon.

Hell the only reason i stopped bothering with most Itachi-related battles is because it's always met with "lulz clone feint".

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[Nikushimi]

Sif fool.

I...don't even know what "sif" means. >_>

But I can make up words too.

Jiraiya drowns Itachi like a baby kitten with plenty of difficulty.
Pein gang rapes Itachi.
Hashirama is superior to Madara in canon.

Jiraiya has plenty of difficulty drowning baby kittens?

Jiraiya is on Orochimaru's level, hence Itachi one-shots him.
Pain has a numbers advantage and is basically comparable to the three Sannin together, making him an even match for Itachi.
Hashirama is superior to younger Madara who wasn't the final villain.

This is 100% PROOVED

Hell the only reason i stopped bothering with most Itachi-related battles is because it's always met with "lulz clone feint".

Nah, Itachi only has enough chakra to do that two or three times. Mostly he'll just dodge.

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[Raikage's left hand]

I...don't even know what "sif" means. >_>

But I can make up words too.

I'm guessing this is sarcasm cause i really couldn't get that someone doesn't know what sif is :p (It's as if)

Jiraiya has plenty of difficulty drowning baby kittens?

Jiraiya is on Orochimaru's level, hence Itachi one-shots him.
Pain has a numbers advantage and is basically comparable to the three Sannin together, making him an even match for Itachi.
Hashirama is superior to younger Madara who wasn't the final villain.

This is 100% PROOVED

Sure sometimes those kittens can give quite a nasty scratch.

Jiraiya isn't Orochimaru though. Different fighting styles yield different results. Like a fighting style which uses plenty of summons and is solid all round is perfect for someone more geared towards 1-1.
Pain absolutely destroys Itachi. It's the combination of numbers + devastatingly effective abilities raping Itachi.
Current Madara is touchy but Hashirama is better until proven otherwise.

Nah, Itachi only has enough chakra to do that two or three times. Mostly he'll just dodge.
Or won't and just die.


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[MinatoNamikaze]

So does Niku win this one then?

[WhiteFang]

Umm.. guys? Lets NOT spam the thread. ^^

@Niku: Nope. Itachitards only get to the "fail" part of the failsafe. xDDD

@Kaze: Its Muffin's thread, so she knows when the time will be up. She'll declare when it is.

[Raikage's left hand]

Well then this battle is now decided with the final result:

Nikushimi: 7
WhiteFang: 6

It was a close battle but ultimately Nikushimi overwhelmed Fang with a long drawn out series of Mangekyo Hax.

Congratulations to Nikushimi. Pm either me or Fang on whether you want a Shuriken or Sharingan Badge.