Itachi vs. Kisame (OFFICIAL THREAD)

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Kisame is said to be the second strongest in Akatsuki.
Kisame's sword sucks chakra so the genjutsu won't work.

Thoughts?

[Summer.]

I think itachi wouldn't get close enough to kisame and let him suck his chakra out...
he knows what this sword is capable of and he wouldn't let his guard down to this point...

[Doctor Octogonapus]

wow now we're disagreeing on everything xDDD

Ninety-six percent of all living things are made up of the following elements:

Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen and Hydrogen

Oxygen, Hydrogen, Water and Carbon

Nitrogen, Sodium, Oxygen and Hydrogen

Hydrogen, Oxygen, Potassium and Water

What's the answer to that?


I'll have to get back to this in a lil while.

[Summer.]

wow now we're disagreeing on everything xDDD

Ninety-six percent of all living things are made up of the following elements:

Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen and Hydrogen

Oxygen, Hydrogen, Water and Carbon

Nitrogen, Sodium, Oxygen and Hydrogen

Hydrogen, Oxygen, Potassium and Water

What's the answer to that?



I don't know, we have really crapy biology professor xDDD

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I don't know, we have really crapy biology professor xDDD

Lol oh well, i already got an answer.

[Summer.]

Lol oh well, i already got an answer.

so which one is it?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

the first one.

[Xinobi]

Kisame is said to be the second strongest in Akatsuki.
Kisame's sword sucks chakra so the genjutsu won't work.

Thoughts?

This comment kinda pissed me off. If you made a statement like this you need to change all your post in regards to the genjutsu thread you started.


BUT to get back on topic, I do not think kisame would get caught up in any illusion that Itachi could cast.

I also think that even if Itachi copies anything Kisame can throw at him, Kisame could just keep doing the same jutsu and eventually from simply the girth of his chakra, he would overpower Itachi. Kisame already knows the stress that Itachi's eyes are going through. That is my opinion though.

I am also inclined to think that maybe Kisame has some sort of Kekkei Genkai or specialized technique. I mean... LOOK AT HIM. He looks like a freakin shark for crying out loud.

[Lee Son]

itachi i think edges him out cuz kakashi was fighting even with kisame and itachi beat him easily

[Xinobi]

itachi i think edges him out cuz kakashi was fighting even with kisame and itachi beat him easily

That wasn't even a fight...

[Nandomo]

Guys, if you think Kakashi's Magekyou is something by sending stuff to the next dimension, imagine the hidden secrets Itachi might know about the Sharingan that are not yet told in the storyline... I believe Itachi would make Kisame into a fillet and then cook him with his ameratsu and after all this give him a little spicy taste by putting him on the head of an exploding shadow clone...

[Xinobi]

Guys, if you think Kakashi's Magekyou is something by sending stuff to the next dimension, imagine the hidden secrets Itachi might know about the Sharingan that are not yet told in the storyline... I believe Itachi would make Kisame into a fillet and then cook him with his ameratsu and after all this give him a little spicy taste by putting him on the head of an exploding shadow clone...

That is your opinion and though I do respect it, I do not agree with it. Whomever wins, it will be a hard fought battle on both sides. Everyone is IN Akatsuki for a very good damn reason. To be totally honest I have no earthly idea who would win. I DO know that Kisame took down a Jinchuuriki all by himself and was as jolly and content as he could be when he came back toting that old man like a trophy on his sword. He pushed Gai to his limit and forced him to open 6 of the 8 gates while holding the rest of Team Gai in water prisons at 30%. Also the first time he met Gai he took a leaf hurricane kick full on with a coke and a smile dying for more.

Itachi's Resume...
I believe he is merely and maybe sorrowfully taking the blame for the Uchiha massacre. If he did single handedly kill everyone in the Uchiha clan then the Sharingan probably isn't as strong and great as everyone says it is. You would think someone would have stood up to him and gave him a hard time. Unless he put everyone in his MS illusion which I say is unlikely. Also when Sasuke seen him he didn't look tired at all. Everyone was dead when Sasuke arrived (he merely made Sasuke relive a scenerio of what happened for some reason). MY OPINION, I do not think he did it. I think someone else did. If he single handedly killed everyone that doesn't really impress me personally about the Sharingan. If he didn't and someone stronger is responsible then I gladly take that statement back.

All he has done is genjutsu illusions, fireballs (which didn't connect), the black flame thing (which was kinda cool), and the MS illusions. While somewhat impressive, to me all Itachi will be is a teen girls idol. I am not really impressed.

It is ok to disagree with me but you do the math. Everything I wrote about what they did is fact. The only thing that is my opinion is that Itachi may not be responsible for the killing of the Uchiha clan.

Also the Sharingan wasn't strong enough for Madara to beat the 1st Hokage :)

[Nandomo]

That is what you do not comprehend, the MS doesn't only produce "illusions" as you put them, he also has his ameratsu which is as hot as the sun which no water Kisame could use can cool it.

Itachi doesn't have his Bijuu why?

I'll tell you, Itachi's Bijuu is the strongest and most feared of them all, that means that the Shukaku or any other bijuu is nothing compared to the 9 taled fox that is why Itachi is so careful in trying to take Naruto. You can say the Bijuu Kisame defeated as an amateur...

It took Gai to beat 30% Chakra of Kisame, wow...

Not impressed, since Kakashi is the same or even better than Gai in the storyline and to beat 30% of Itachi it took Kakashi and Naruto, so please do not come with math when you do not put the whole equation.

Itachi killed his whole family...

I do not doubt it, since the people in his clan didn't have the mangekyou since they didn't kill their best friends and the only person which might give us a surprise is Tobi really being Madara which is the only other Mangekyou user out of Kakashi and maybe Sasuke...

[Cinaed Delaney]

That is your opinion and though I do respect it, I do not agree with it. Whomever wins, it will be a hard fought battle on both sides. Everyone is IN Akatsuki for a very good damn reason. To be totally honest I have no earthly idea who would win. I DO know that Kisame took down a Jinchuuriki all by himself and was as jolly and content as he could be when he came back toting that old man like a trophy on his sword. He pushed Gai to his limit and forced him to open 6 of the 8 gates while holding the rest of Team Gai in water prisons at 30%. Also the first time he met Gai he took a leaf hurricane kick full on with a coke and a smile dying for more.

Itachi's Resume...
I believe he is merely and maybe sorrowfully taking the blame for the Uchiha massacre. If he did single handedly kill everyone in the Uchiha clan then the Sharingan probably isn't as strong and great as everyone says it is. You would think someone would have stood up to him and gave him a hard time. Unless he put everyone in his MS illusion which I say is unlikely. Also when Sasuke seen him he didn't look tired at all. Everyone was dead when Sasuke arrived (he merely made Sasuke relive a scenerio of what happened for some reason). MY OPINION, I do not think he did it. I think someone else did. If he single handedly killed everyone that doesn't really impress me personally about the Sharingan. If he didn't and someone stronger is responsible then I gladly take that statement back.

All he has done is genjutsu illusions, fireballs (which didn't connect), the black flame thing (which was kinda cool), and the MS illusions. While somewhat impressive, to me all Itachi will be is a teen girls idol. I am not really impressed.

It is ok to disagree with me but you do the math. Everything I wrote about what they did is fact. The only thing that is my opinion is that Itachi may not be responsible for the killing of the Uchiha clan.

Also the Sharingan wasn't strong enough for Madara to beat the 1st Hokage :)
Indeed everything you said was true, but i still go for Itatchi. It could very well be a tie aswell. Itatchi was a ANBU Captian at a very young age, Kisame was one of the 7 swordsmen. The reason why Itatchi hasent gone after Naruto? He HAS! It just didnt go well, first Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai fought them, then Jiraya (and somewhat Sasuke, but all he did was waste chakra and get himself in a coma, not impressive). They both know each others technices, and should somewhat have plans to counter them (if it is possible). And i agree that Itatchi was not the true one behind the massacre.

[Xinobi]

That is what you do not comprehend, the MS doesn't only produce "illusions" as you put them, he also has his ameratsu which is as hot as the sun which no water Kisame could use can cool it.

Itachi doesn't have his Bijuu why?

I'll tell you, Itachi's Bijuu is the strongest and most feared of them all, that means that the Shukaku or any other bijuu is nothing compared to the 9 taled fox that is why Itachi is so careful in trying to take Naruto. You can say the Bijuu Kisame defeated as an amateur...

It took Gai to beat 30% Chakra of Kisame, wow...

Not impressed, since Kakashi is the same or even better than Gai in the storyline and to beat 30% of Itachi it took Kakashi and Naruto, so please do not come with math when you do not put the whole equation.

Itachi killed his whole family...

I do not doubt it, since the people in his clan didn't have the mangekyou since they didn't kill their best friends and the only person which might give us a surprise is Tobi really being Madara which is the only other Mangekyou user out of Kakashi and maybe Sasuke...


I did mention the fire part of Itachi's MS utility, I just didn't mention it as an MS technique. It was mentioned. Please read the whole post.

You also can downgrade Kisame's accomplishment all you want but it took Deidara and Tobi to go after the 3 tail. Deidara did solo Gaara however he did pay the price of his arm (He also had Sasori nearby). It took the Immortal Hidan to take down the 2 tail but he did have Kakuzu as backup. Hidan can not die and has a crazy technique. We apparently missed the capture of the 5th through the 8th tails, I guess. My point is the Akatsuki members at least had their partners nearby. Kisame went alone. So for you to sum up a fight you didn't even see and since all fights with Jinhuuriki were very much involved then I do not think you are making a fair assumption with the 4 tails.

Kakashi beating Gai is your opinion and I gaurentee there are a lot of people who would disagree with you. I didn't mention the fight with Itachi at 30% because nothing really happened... He shot a big fireball, put Naruto in a genjutsu, got fooled by Kakashi by a shadow clone and got PWNT by the Rasengan. How fun was that? He pushed no one to their limits. I have done the math and it wasn't worth mentioning quite frankly :)
Was that not what happened in the fight?

With Kisame he threw basically everyone off balance making water appear out of no where and held off 4 people in combat for a while and then trapped 3 of them and put the hurting on Gai.

This is going to be more of personal preference but it is all good.

[Nandomo]

Dude, you didn't even see the fight with Kisame and the Bijuu so you are making a big deal of nothing, I am not impressed by Deidara capturing a one-tailed Bijuu by himself, and Hidan didn't need Kazuzu, since he is immortal so do not try to bring Hidan down. And I am allowed to make assumptions with the information I have over you...

And Gai vs Kisame was all shown, while Kakashi vs Itachi wasn't shown, since it was mostly taken by Naruto in the awesome genjutsu. So do not come with things you assume, and then say I cannot. The series is still very unclear and many things will appear, since I work for Dattebayo I should know so stop argueing with me...

Also, do not come with the silly capture trick, remember which weak worseless person caught Kakashi in the same trap...

[Xinobi]

Dude, you didn't even see the fight with Kisame and the Bijuu so you are making a big deal of nothing, I am not impressed by Deidara capturing a one-tailed Bijuu by himself, and Hidan didn't need Kazuzu, since he is immortal so do not try to bring Hidan down. And I am allowed to make assumptions with the information I have over you...
And Gai vs Kisame was all shown, while Kakashi vs Itachi wasn't shown, since it was mostly taken by Naruto in the awesome genjutsu. So do not come with things you assume, and then say I cannot. The series is still very unclear and many things will appear, since I work for Dattebayo I should know so stop argueing with me...
Also, do not come with the silly capture trick, remember which weak worseless person caught Kakashi in the same trap...

Excuse me but why does it seem you are taking this personal. A debate is simply a debate. Why are you getting upset because I do not agree with you? Also please do not do like countless people do and play that "I work for this company" line. If you are going to take things personal then I suggest you do not come in the battledome, seriously.

I seriously wrote what I was going to write 3 different times trying to be politically correct and as respectful as I could but... Reread your post and ask yourself was that really necessary?

I bolded what I thought was unnecessary.

Also, I recall both fights with Itachi vs Kakashi's group and Kisame vs Gai's group being shown in their entirety. If the manga shown different then I can see how you would think the way you do on that particular topic.

I am trying to give a little to see stuff from your point of view. How you are going about this debate is not called for. I write this with no malice, no anger, and no attitude. I am just trying to understand. That is all.

[Deadpool]

Itachi...of course.

I remember Kisame saying "I wont be able to take him out, but you might." to Itachi.

That was A guy saying on narutoforum... He is totally right. When they fought Kakashi Kisame said:"I wont be able to take him out, but you might".

So i bolive Itachi is stronger then him. MS dosent take time to re-charge so if kisame looks at his eyes he is tottly over. But itachi is an long range shooter, he can be an close on if he want. He hase been freinds with Kisame years... So Kisame knows his tehniqs also itachi knows his.. You just didnt tell me this where are they fighting?<<< It all gose down to that. If Kisame is fighting on water the battle gose to Kisame and if some forest or such Itachi..

Now its a tie but i didnt vote cause im wating to see where are they fighting!

[Nandomo]

Well, you are debating with no such background information and are trying to infer stuff when you do not have the information I do. So every I said in everything you highlighted was absolutely called for, since indeed you were the first to call out my post and challenge, you should know me very well from other areas on this forum and that was totally your mistake.

*Since I have a signed contract and cannot reveal any information or give any spoilers, I will not be posting any more information to give the next chapters away.*

So choose wisely who you would like to debate before challenging their post, and I do not have an issue with you unless you start taking it personal, then it will be on... So Excuse you...

That was A guy saying on narutoforum... He is totally right. When they fought Kakashi Kisame said:"I wont be able to take him out, but you might".

So i bolive Itachi is stronger then him. MS dosent take time to re-charge so if kisame looks at his eyes he is tottly over. But itachi is an long range shooter, he can be an close on if he want. He hase been freinds with Kisame years... So Kisame knows his tehniqs also itachi knows his.. You just didnt tell me this where are they fighting?<<< It all gose down to that. If Kisame is fighting on water the battle gose to Kisame and if some forest or such Itachi..

Now its a tie but i didnt vote cause im wating to see where are they fighting!
MS is needed to be rested, so like Kisame himself said during the Jiraiya encounter when he used ameratsu. Not only his eyes, also, his ring... and Itachi doesn't have to know his techniques; Kisame uses only ninjutsu, which Itachi can interpret with the Sharingan. Basically, fried fillet...

[Deadpool]

Yeah i know, but Itachi is smart he isnt stupid enuf to use the full power of the ring.. So bassacly it all depents on the battle ground...

[BK-nin]

That is your opinion and though I do respect it, I do not agree with it. Whomever wins, it will be a hard fought battle on both sides. Everyone is IN Akatsuki for a very good damn reason. To be totally honest I have no earthly idea who would win. I DO know that Kisame took down a Jinchuuriki all by himself and was as jolly and content as he could be when he came back toting that old man like a trophy on his sword. He pushed Gai to his limit and forced him to open 6 of the 8 gates while holding the rest of Team Gai in water prisons at 30%. Also the first time he met Gai he took a leaf hurricane kick full on with a coke and a smile dying for more.

Itachi's Resume...
I believe he is merely and maybe sorrowfully taking the blame for the Uchiha massacre. If he did single handedly kill everyone in the Uchiha clan then the Sharingan probably isn't as strong and great as everyone says it is. You would think someone would have stood up to him and gave him a hard time. Unless he put everyone in his MS illusion which I say is unlikely. Also when Sasuke seen him he didn't look tired at all. Everyone was dead when Sasuke arrived (he merely made Sasuke relive a scenerio of what happened for some reason). MY OPINION, I do not think he did it. I think someone else did. If he single handedly killed everyone that doesn't really impress me personally about the Sharingan. If he didn't and someone stronger is responsible then I gladly take that statement back.

All he has done is genjutsu illusions, fireballs (which didn't connect), the black flame thing (which was kinda cool), and the MS illusions. While somewhat impressive, to me all Itachi will be is a teen girls idol. I am not really impressed.

It is ok to disagree with me but you do the math. Everything I wrote about what they did is fact. The only thing that is my opinion is that Itachi may not be responsible for the killing of the Uchiha clan.

Also the Sharingan wasn't strong enough for Madara to beat the 1st Hokage :)

you are greatly underestimating itachi, he was an anbu squad leader at 13, he would know the entire village inside and out, plus there are also the rumored time/space techniques. i think he could murder his family if he felt like it

[BK-nin]

Yeah i know, but Itachi is smart he isnt stupid enuf to use the full power of the ring.. So bassacly it all depents on the battle ground... kisame could make the frest into an ocean. remember when he fought team gai and that was 30% of his chakra, he could probably flood an entire country if he wanted to. and according to you that means kisame would win but thats not really true either

[Deadpool]

And you think Itachi dosent know about that? Itachi u seen him used maybe only 13% of his cakra, never seen him in 100%! Then Itachi Knows about kisames moves so he wont be that stupid to get close, he could an clone that throws fire balls at Kiasame, Kisame Gose to kill The clone Itachi and the real itachi comes from his back and kick his but, thank you for knowing itachi is better! But kisame isnt stupid enuf to fall for that so he wouold make an water clone, so i still say its a tie!

[The8tailed1]

you have to give it to kisame because regardless of itachi's true power with his sword he can keep itachi on his feet and lure him into some form of a trap and kill him.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

And you think Itachi dosent know about that? Itachi u seen him used maybe only 13% of his cakra, never seen him in 100%! Then Itachi Knows about kisames moves so he wont be that stupid to get close, he could an clone that throws fire balls at Kiasame, Kisame Gose to kill The clone Itachi and the real itachi comes from his back and kick his but, thank you for knowing itachi is better! But kisame isnt stupid enuf to fall for that so he wouold make an water clone, so i still say its a tie!

Heh...it's not a f**king tie!

Itachi used 30% against Naruto and lost.

Kisame used 30% against Gai, the strongest jounin in Konoha, Neji, the strongest or second strongest Hyuga, Lee, the second strongest taijutsu user in Konoha, tenten, the best weapons master in Konoha, and Kisame won.

Kisame knows what Itachi can do.
Itachi knows what Kisame can do.
Kisame has incredible amount of chakra, that is almost equal to the nine-tail's chakra.
His sword sucks chakra and cuts you to ribbons on contact.

Kisame would win.

[Xinobi]

Heh...it's not a f**king tie!

Itachi used 30% against Naruto and lost.

Kisame used 30% against Gai, the strongest jounin in Konoha, Neji, the strongest or second strongest Hyuga, Lee, the second strongest taijutsu user in Konoha, tenten, the best weapons master in Konoha, and Kisame won.

Kisame knows what Itachi can do.
Itachi knows what Kisame can do.
Kisame has incredible amount of chakra, that is almost equal to the nine-tail's chakra.
His sword sucks chakra and cuts you to ribbons on contact.

Kisame would win.


I was wondering when you was going to jump into this.

[Fate]

Greetings talknaruto.com forum posters and viewers. Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Fate, and I am an editor from Dattebayo Fansubs. Dattebayo fansubs was formed in October of 2004 after its founders broke away from another group called Anime Heaven. Weekly we release fansubbed versions of the popular japanese animated shows including Naruto and Bleach. Our releases can be downloaded via Bit Torrent at http://www.dattebayo.com

It is my duty to inform all of you that recently you have been lied to. Not only have you been lied to, but it has been done so repeatedly.

Nandomo has no affliation with Dattebayo Fansubs.
1T4CH1_UCH1H4 has no affliation with Dattebayo Fansubs.
The user on these forums called interactii has no affliation with Dattebayo Fansubs. There is a staff member who goes by that name however he has never visited these forums.

It is my conclusion that all three of these forum personalities were either the same person or a group of individuals who contrived to deceive you for the purpose of further bolstering their authority in discussions. I arrived at this conclusion by comparing the url on which all three have their signatures hosted and additionally by comparing a number of their profile fields. Additionally, further searches revealed that this same user made similar claims under multiple aliases on the narutofan forums.

In addition to being a lie, his claims to having inside information regarding the future development of possible story details were untrue and quite laughable. If by inside sources he was referring to the manga on which the show is based I regret to inform that poster that it isn't really all that much of a secret.

If you have any further questions you are welcome to submit them via the Contact link on our official website or you can talk with our staff on our official IRC channel as is linked to in my forum signature.

edit: Oh, good point about derailing a thread. Itachi pwns all. XD

[Xinobi]

You are my hero. Thank you for confirming everything and working with me on this to expose the truth. I really appreciate it.

P.S.
So we do not derail the thread. I still think Kisame would win. Just my opinion.

[LaserMonkey]

Kinda of hard to choose that who will win...I pick Kisame...

Even tho Itach has the speed, the Illusion, and the Sharingan.

But Just like what Xinobi posted, Kisame might be able to overpower Itachi.

[Uchiha-Shinobi]

Greetings talknaruto.com forum posters and viewers. Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Fate, and I am an editor from Dattebayo Fansubs. Dattebayo fansubs was formed in October of 2004 after its founders broke away from another group called Anime Heaven. Weekly we release fansubbed versions of the popular japanese animated shows including Naruto and Bleach. Our releases can be downloaded via Bit Torrent at http://www.dattebayo.com

It is my duty to inform all of you that recently you have been lied to. Not only have you been lied to, but it has been done so repeatedly.

Nandomo has no affliation with Dattebayo Fansubs.
1T4CH1_UCH1H4 has no affliation with Dattebayo Fansubs.
The user on these forums called interactii has no affliation with Dattebayo Fansubs. There is a staff member who goes by that name however he has never visited these forums.

It is my conclusion that all three of these forum personalities were either the same person or a group of individuals who contrived to deceive you for the purpose of further bolstering their authority in discussions. I arrived at this conclusion by comparing the url on which all three have their signatures hosted and additionally by comparing a number of their profile fields. Additionally, further searches revealed that this same user made similar claims under multiple aliases on the narutofan forums.

In addition to being a lie, his claims to having inside information regarding the future development of possible story details were untrue and quite laughable. If by inside sources he was referring to the manga on which the show is based I regret to inform that poster that it isn't really all that much of a secret.

If you have any further questions you are welcome to submit them via the Contact link on our official website or you can talk with our staff on our official IRC channel as is linked to in my forum signature.

edit: Oh, good point about derailing a thread. Itachi pwns all. XD

WHO CARES!?!? THATS NOT SOMETHING TO BAN SOMONE OVER HE MADE GREAT SIGS AND EVERYONE LIKED HIM U SUCK DUDE

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I actually agree with him.
They were two different people.
Also when did Nandamo say he was with Dattebayo?

[Deadpool]

After a long thinkink i came to this kisame would win itachi, itachi cant get close to kisame if he do he is going to drain hes chakra, but if not Kisame could throw all kinds of water justsus at him, so... Kisame wins!

[Summer.]

I actually agree with him.
They were two different people.
Also when did Nandamo say he was with Dattebayo?

somewhere on the second page.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

So he lied so what.
I'm not actually in your basement and Deadpool isn't really a Genin.

[Summer.]

So he lied so what.
I'm not actually in your basement and Deadpool isn't really a Genin.

hey, don't tell me that Oo
I didn't say anything I just told you what you asked.

and I know you're not in my basement, cause we don't have it. xD

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I am actually in your basement.
Come dig me up asshole I'm under your house!
They just built the damn thing on top of me.
Get a shovel I'm under your Mom and Dad's bed and it's creaking so HURRY UP!!!!!!!!!!!

[Summer.]

I am actually in your basement.
Come dig me up asshole I'm under your house!
They just built the damn thing on top of me.
Get a shovel I'm under your Mom and Dad's bed and it's creaking so HURRY UP!!!!!!!!!!!

hehehe.
no. stay there. it's much more quiet if you're down there^^

[Doctor Octogonapus]

no I will not.
I'll keep knocking on your bloody floor!
wtf...YOU HAVE RATS OH BUGGAH!

[Summer.]

I don't hear anything, cause music is playing xD
thank god for rats, so you'll have company xDDDD

[Deadpool]

Yeah im Kozokage and add me to your aswome people list hurry up! joke joke!

[Fate]

Dude, you didn't even see the fight with Kisame and the Bijuu so you are making a big deal of nothing, I am not impressed by Deidara capturing a one-tailed Bijuu by himself, and Hidan didn't need Kazuzu, since he is immortal so do not try to bring Hidan down. And I am allowed to make assumptions with the information I have over you...

And Gai vs Kisame was all shown, while Kakashi vs Itachi wasn't shown, since it was mostly taken by Naruto in the awesome genjutsu. So do not come with things you assume, and then say I cannot. The series is still very unclear and many things will appear, since I work for Dattebayo I should know so stop argueing with me...

Also, do not come with the silly capture trick, remember which weak worseless person caught Kakashi in the same trap...

I am not suppose to say anything since I work for dattebayo... contact me on MSN or AIM...

I am in the Dattebayo forums, and yes we have a company forum. I work at Dattebayo at the Nigeria Headquarters.

There is where he made his claims. Even if I was mistaken and all three were different individuals it doesn't change the fact that all three of them made that same claim.

WHO CARES!?!? THATS NOT SOMETHING TO BAN SOMONE OVER HE MADE GREAT SIGS AND EVERYONE LIKED HIM U SUCK DUDE
So he lied so what.
I'm not actually in your basement and Deadpool isn't really a Genin.

I have no control over the banning of said individual from these forums, I'm simply clarifying the issue. If someone lies is it not right to call them out on it? Does honesty mean nothing to you? Would you allow him to continue to deceive others?

I've simply given you all some knowledge, what you do with it is up to you.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

They said they worked there.
No reason to ban them.
They were 3 or 2 different people.
Nandamo was definitly just Nandamo though.

[Xinobi]

There was more reasons than that. The real issue was handled in private which was recorded sent to all the Moderators and Admins. Do not dog on Fate at all. He (Fate) and his team so graciously lended us his help in exposing the lies Nandomo was using as leverage in the battle dome and him being severly disrespectful to other members on this forum. If any of you were on the up and up and you were being severely disrespected, harrassed AND threatened then any of the administrative team would leap into your corner especially if you had a paper trail proving you were being harrassed. I will not give all the details but here on this forum I would like to think the calibur of people that flock to this forum are level headed, mature, and have common sense.

Fate, my apologies. Nandomo had won over some of our users because he creates nice signatures. He created one for me too but when you cross the line like that all ties are off.

Seriously though, I have an idea for you guys. I recently started doing this and I am having fun and when I get a finished product I will show it to all of you. If you are extremely creative use Adobe Photoshop, or if you are really a glutton for punishment use MS Paint. It isn't that expensive and some of you guys can download it from bittorrent and use a key cracker (I am not condoning use of that BTW). You all have the power to create nice sigs. I have a feeling he used a program that did pretty much the same thing.

Anyway, let us get this thread back on track.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

There was more reasons than that. The real issue was handled in private which was recorded sent to all the Moderators and Admins. Do not dog on Fate at all. He (Fate) and his team so graciously lended us his help in exposing the lies Nandomo was using as leverage in the battle dome and him being severly disrespectful to other members on this forum. If any of you were on the up and up and you were being severely disrespected, harrassed AND threatened then any of the administrative team would leap into your corner especially if you had a paper trail proving you were being harrassed. I will not give all the details but here on this forum I would like to think the calibur of people that flock to this forum are level headed, mature, and have common sense.

Fate, my apologies. Nandomo had won over some of our users because he creates nice signatures. He created one for me too but when you cross the line like that all ties are off.

Seriously though, I have an idea for you guys. I recently started doing this and I am having fun and when I get a finished product I will show it to all of you. If you are extremely creative use Adobe Photoshop, or if you are really a glutton for punishment use MS Paint. It isn't that expensive and some of you guys can download it from bittorrent and use a key cracker (I am not condoning use of that BTW). You all have the power to create nice sigs. I have a feeling he used a program that did pretty much the same thing.

Anyway, let us get this thread back on track.

No he didn't win me over...lol, your choice of words there was funny.
I actually didn't like him.
But I thought you banned him because of the suspicion of multiple accounts. Which wasn't true, therefore I was just coming to his defense because injustice pisses me off!

[Xinobi]

Well now you know the truth.

/In his preacher voice

AND THE TRUTH...HA!
SHALL SET YOU... HA!

/In his high pitched voice

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

If you didn't find that funny then watch a southern baptist preacher on TV. You will understand fully then.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

that disturbs me.
And your not in the south.
You shoudlnt have southern channels.

[~rinnengan~]

I think Itachi's sharingan is still powerful and kisame's uhm water tricks can't beat him

[1T4CH1_UCH1H4]

In preachers words then, "God will punish thy, no matter thou sin mere small or large, thou shall pay."

[Doctor Octogonapus]

That's all you think Kisame can do?
Wow....
I'm slowly losing respect for you.
Kisame's the second storngest in Akatsuki for a reason.


(Sorry bout the double post)

[Doctor Octogonapus]

In preachers words then, "God will punish thy, no matter thou sin mere small or large, thou shall pay."

While I have faith and all.
But don't even get me started on that.

[Xinobi]

In preachers words then, "God will punish thy, no matter thou sin mere small or large, thou shall pay."

Same IPs as Nandomo, same sigs, and little jabs here and there... I am really starting to wonder.

[iRob]

Kisame would win i believe one person said here that kisame was the second strongest i rekon his sword would be a big factor and his massive chakra to get water jutsus

:kblush:

[Soul]

Well, Itachi is stronger than kisami.. itachi is the second strongest.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Kisame's the second-strongest
DO YOU NOT WATCH THE SHOW AT ALL!
You say Naruto's going to be Hokage and that Itachi's the second strongest...maybe you need to watch the show again.

[NejiTaker]

Kisame's the second-strongest
DO YOU NOT WATCH THE SHOW AT ALL!
You say Naruto's going to be Hokage and that Itachi's the second strongest...maybe you need to watch the show again.

I don't think watching the show would really matter since this is the manga. And when does it say Kisame's the second strongest? I'm a skimmer-reader. :rolleyes:

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Kisame.
I'll state my reasons later.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Let us begin my brother :)

There is a reason why Kisame obey Itachi and that is he fears his power.If you understood Kisame's personality then you would see theat he wouldn't obey somebody without reason.Also Itachi sad in the battle Kisame and Itachi VS Konoha Jounins that he won't need so much time as Kisame would needed if he fought them.Also i don't see how can Kisame defend against Mangekyo Sharingan even how can he defend against normal genjutsu.Samehada cannot slice trough something that actually doesn't exist.

I got more to say but im going to take a shower I'm back in about 10 minutes.
Say your statement Majin.

[LaserMonkey]

Wait, but Kisame can kill Itachi very fast, Itachi can do Illusions, but it won't work on Kisame, because Kisame is smarter and stronger then Itachi. Kisame can just Slash Itachi with his Sword and suck chakara right out of him.

I see what your saying, and yeah, i also don't understand why doesent the Mangekyo work on Kisame.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

There is a reason why Kisame obey Itachi and that is he fears his power.

Not necessarily, they're partnered together, Kisame and Itachi are the closest pairing in Akatsuki to being, "friends", Kisame says what he wants to Itachi, and Itachi doesn't do anything.

If you understood Kisame's personality then you would see theat he wouldn't obey somebody without reason.Also Itachi sad in the battle Kisame and Itachi VS Konoha Jounins that he won't need so much time as Kisame would needed if he fought them.

Because Itachi has the Mangekyo, it's over within the second.


Also i don't see how can Kisame defend against Mangekyo Sharingan even how can he defend against normal genjutsu.Samehada cannot slice trough something that actually doesn't exist.

I've stated this before and it seemed to make sense. Genjutsu is built to use against the Human Subconscious, because our brain is unlike everything else's. Kisame, if you haven't noticed he's friggin blue(:D), he's not human he's a fish, which means he does not have a human subconscious(what's even more amazing is I've spelled that word right twice in a row), he's actually more like 65% Fish, 35% Human, which means he has the motor skills of a human, but the subconscious and appearance of a fish.

I got more to say but im going to take a shower I'm back in about 10 minutes.
Say your statement Majin.

Okay, You do that.
I just did.
See ya in 15 minutes.

[LaserMonkey]

Well, againts those Konoha Jounins, it is true that Itachi didn't need more
time. it is because he has Illusions, and he can trick people very good, even tho Kakashi had the Sharingan also, he couldn't detect the shadow clone right behind him.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Its a fact that you didn't want me to help me but you just did.Exactly a person who posses Sharingan couldn't dodge those bunshins in time so how could then somebody who doesn't have it dodge it.And those genjutsu tricks they work on everybody(same trick new fool).No matter are you human or animal.Genjutsu is based on disabling person senses.As we know Humans and Animals have 5 senses.Itachi genjutsu is based to disable and confuse sense of sight.That means unless you have something that can counter genjutsu like sharingan in example you have to fight Itachi with closed eyes if its 1v1.
And tell me how can Kisame fight with closed eyes

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Exactly a person who posses Sharingan couldn't dodge those bunshins in time so how could then somebody who doesn't have it dodge it.

Because the clones have a limited amount of chakra, definitely less than Naruto's, if the clones get close they disappear.

And those genjutsu tricks they work on everybody(same trick new fool).No matter are you human or animal.Genjutsu is based on disabling person senses.As we know Humans and Animals have 5 senses.Itachi genjutsu is based to disable and confuse sense of sight.That means unless you have something that can counter genjutsu like sharingan in example you have to fight Itachi with closed eyes if its 1v1.

Kisame's eyes are not Human or regular eyes, they must have something to them. Kisame has to have been able to get out of genjutsu, if Jiriaya can, Kisame can.

[LaserMonkey]

Kisame eyes are not Human, we can clearly see that all. Kisame is able to get out of genjutsu because his sword? or his eyes or his Shark Skin?

What i think is because he has Shark Skin?

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Jiraya can't get out of Mangekyo Sharingan
Neither can Kisame

And another edit yes i had lagg xD
There is nothing special in Kisame's eyes its just his fancy style

[LaserMonkey]

Kisame didn't close his eyes when Itachi used Mangekyo Sharingan on all the Konoha Jounins.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Lol man why should he Its Itachi's will that choose who will be affected by that dojutsu.
Kisame has subconscious of a human.Appearance and your look does not affect your subconscious.If is what you say true then Kisame should rolling on the floor and bite Itachi's leg like a freaking shark but he don't do that right? (or at least we didnt see him do that)
Did you saw Orochimaru's true form.He is a Snake or whatever but he still has subconscious of a human.And we saw him caughted in Itachis genjutsu.Or Sasuke in CS2
he look like a demon but he still have human subconscious

[LaserMonkey]

Really? my mistake, i havent really looked up the Sharingan or the Mangekyo Sharingan that well. But if they two were fighting, i don't really think the Mangekyo will work on Kisame, i mean the Shark Skin must have a effect over genjutsu and Mangekyo.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Kisame eyes are not Human, we can clearly see that all. Kisame is able to get out of genjutsu because his sword? or his eyes or his Shark Skin?

What i think is because he has Shark Skin?

Your like debating on both sides. xD

;99820']Jiraya can't get out of Mangekyo Sharingan
Neither can Kisame

And another edit yes i had lagg xD
There is nothing special in Kisame's eyes its just his fancy style

Jiriaya can, because Itachi knew something we don't when he said Jiriaya could beat the both of us.

[LaserMonkey]

Didn't Itachi say " even if they're were more of us" "the amount would be the same" and i don't really know if i am debating boft sides, i replying on facts.

I mean, the Shark Skin must have something to do to effect the Genjutsu and Mangekyo. It must have some special abilitie that Kishimoto hasn't told us yet.

Kisame cannot turn into a shark because he already is, Kisame has a abilitie called Shark Skin, so i am just saying it must have affect over it, Orochimaru had Snake Skin, so i am starting to think that Itachi could get Kisame with all his Illusions.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Itachi didn't go that time on Jiraya because he couldn't use Mangekyo Sharingan.Anyway Kisame stated that if Itachi went on Jiraya 1v1 he could maybe get him.Itachi confirmed but he sad in any way he would die.
Itachi also clearly stated that he can only be beaten by person with sharingan.
Cause only true herritage of Sharingan can fully nullify Mangekyo.

[LaserMonkey]

Well, that is true what you say, but Kakashi was defeated and Sasuke was defeated. boft using Sharingan users.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Kakashi was defeated but he isn't true heritage to sharingan and he only posses one sharingan.Sasuke was also defeated cause lack of experience and no sharingan mastery.His Sharingan had only 2 (omg what is it called)
anyway Majin i had lagg and i didn't saw you already posted so you should know i edited my statement of beggining of the page

[LaserMonkey]

Do you mean those Symbols on the Sharingan, now i am starting to get what your saying. -_-

I can't believe i didn't really get what you were saying.

So Kisame will lose to Itachi, Since what i saw your responce "Itach can only be beatin by someone who has genjutsu" but Kisame can get out of genjutsu.
They boft have they're own effects on eachother.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

yep i mean that symbols so you do get it now?
Kisame cannot get out from genjutsu,tell me how can he do it?

[LaserMonkey]

Yes, You stated your facts really well Sasori.

Itachi can only be beatin by someone who has genjutsu.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Better sad somebody who can nullify genjutsu of Mangekyo Sharingan ,and that is only full potential of normal Sharingan(Majin offline??)

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I'm on, and your off...nice. xD

[Super Luigi]

Itachi owns

[Shishi Uchiha]

itachi would win

[Sasori[RedSand]]

I'm ready Majin when you come online just post I'll see it :)
I'll say for the last time Kisame cannot defend against genjutsu especially mangekyo.
If you still don't believe I'll show you that you are wrong.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Kisame must have some way around Genjutsu for being paired with Itachi.
The other pairings not only make perfect teams but they cannot beat their partner, with the exception of Tobi and Deidara.

Deidara and Sasori both would end in a stalemate.
Hidan and Kakuzu, both are of the undead, stalemate.
Even in genjutsu, the Mangekyo left Kakashi extremely weak, meaning out of chakra and energy, and pretty banged up mentally.
Kisame, no matter if he's banged up mentally.
Has Energy and Chakra that is equal to the nine-tails.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Its not equal to the Nine-Tails its equal to the amount of Kyuubi chakra Naruto used in Chuunin Exams.And we saw Kisame can be caught in genjutsu cause he was in Kurenai's genjutsu.That prove somethings that he cannot resist Mangekyo Sharingan.We saw he isn't immune to genjutsu so that automatically make him lose cause the same second Tsyukomi begins it ends.72 hours is a second in real world so the fact that he isn't immune to genjutsu make him autommaticaly lose.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Its not equal to the Nine-Tails its equal to the amount of Kyuubi chakra Naruto used in Chuunin Exams.

When was that said?

And we saw Kisame can be caught in genjutsu cause he was in Kurenai's genjutsu.That prove somethings that he cannot resist Mangekyo Sharingan.We saw he isn't immune to genjutsu so that automatically make him lose cause the same second Tsyukomi begins it ends.72 hours is a second in real world so the fact that he isn't immune to genjutsu make him autommaticaly lose.


When did that happen?

And Kisame still has something against Itachi, even if we haven't seen it, he has something.
And the Mangekyo won't stop the fight, he can just not look at Itachi's eyes and he'll be fine. Itachi can't hold the Mangekyo forever.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Neji sad that Kisame has same amount of chakra as Naruto when he fought him.
Remember how Kurenai caught Kisame and Itachi in genjutsu.Itachi was enveloped by tree and Kisame was visualy stuck in Live Mud.Also if Kisame don't look him in the eyes Itachi can catch him in genjutsu just by moving part of his body or he can quickly switch to amaterasu and burn him down.Since Kisame is not looking in his eyes he don't know he will perform amaterasu.And he cannot annalyze Itachi's movements just by looking in his feets only Guy can.Also about that Kisame has to have something to resist Genjutsu that is pure guessing and only time will tell that you are wrong.I know we didn't see all that Kisame can do but the same rule goes for Itachi.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Neji sad that Kisame has same amount of chakra as Naruto when he fought him.

Exactly.
Neji said that Kisame had the same amount of Chakra as Naruto did when Naruto used the Kyuubi's Chakra.
Now, Neji has met Kisame once....and that wasn't Kisame, that was 30% Power Kisame.
Kyuubi at 10% = Kisame at 30%
So Kisame has about 40% the Chakra of the Kyuubi.
Which is still the most chakra held by someone without a Bijuu.



But fine.
I admit defeat.
You got me, good show.

Although, one last thing.
Gai was at 600% Power, Neji, Lee and Tenten were at 100%. Kisame was at 30%, and still came this close to beating them.

Now, Itachi was at 30%, Naruto was 100%.
Naruto alone beat Itachi, and still got past the genjutsu, if there ever was one.

And also, I consider Itachi to be a bit honorable, using Genjutsu only to unworthy opponents or when he's in a rush.
He used Genjutsu against Sasuke at the end, to finish him because Jiriaya was there.
Itachi wouldn't go straight into genjutsu with Kisame, Kisame is more than a worthy opponent.

[Incendiary]

Good analysis Matt. I agree with the last part.
Yah, I think it would be a tie but it's likely that Itachi would come closer to winning. The reasons:

Having more chakra means nothing if you don't have the brans to use it strategically.
He could be trapped in a genjutsu before he can use his chakra-cutting sword or whatmore. As for his big water dome thing that can trap the openent, Itachi can use Amaterasu, the fire thing. I'm not saying it would be easy, but Itachi would win with chance of like 50.99999%.

[Konoha's Warrior]

Kisame

[Soul]

Itachi would win. No way Kisame will able to win. he said in the anime ''I Stand No Chance Against One Of The Legendary Sannins, Im sure You'll Stand A Chance Against Him'' (was referring to itachi)

[Doctor Octogonapus]

no he never said that.
Itachi said we both stand no chance against a Sannin, even if were were to both go against him were would both be severely injured.

[Konoha's Warrior]

Haven't You Noticed Kisame Never Blink's. He Is An Aquatic Being...Fish Don't Have Eyelid's. Majin is right w/ the 65% Part. Sharingan Won't Affect Him...

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Did you noticed Itachi ever blinks,The answer is NO.Also tell me how does eyes of Orochimaru looks in his true form.He is more then 65% snake but he is still caught in genjutsu.So your theory proves nothing Konoha's Warrior.
Majin you and soul both sad correct things all of this statement was sad by Itachi and Kisame.Kisame thought that Itachi can kill him but Itachi wasn't ready
cause he exhausted Mangekyo Sharingan and coulnd't use it anymore.But to be back on topic Kisame caught in genjutsu=dead fish
He can't avoid Itachi's genjutsu

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

Itachi and Kisame wouldn't fight.

They are pals. ;)

[hyugamaster]

itachi would kill the little shark with barely a flick of his finger

[Doctor Octogonapus]

No he wouldn't.
These two are equals.
That's why they're partnered together, you can never have a team be unbalanced.

[hyugamaster]

they are not equals

the teams are set up to HELP eachother

itachi is the one who keeps them on track


like when kisame wanted to kill all the jounins in konoha itachi said no because it would cause a commotion

and when the guy who killed asuma is with the killing guy(sorry for not knowing the names) because the guy goes on killing sprees and wats his name is invincible!!

they are set up to help eachother

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

True.

[KyubiiRage]

Kisame would pwn

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Ah-HA!
This debate is revived.
Chapter 385, my friend, Kisame does have inhuman eyes. Not fish eyes, eyes that are special, like the Sharingan.

[Senwyn]

They're partners so I'm guessing they're equal ability. In which case, it'd be a death match. And Itachi would win!! Kisame will become shark soup!

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

I would make tuna fish out of Kisame. As for Itachi..


I'd 'splode up!

[Neji'sEyes]

I say itachi!

[Shishi Uchiha]

itachi would make kisame fried fish

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Itachi has Fire.
Kisame has Water.
Both are as strong as their counterparts.

[**Marisa**]

Ah-HA!
This debate is revived.
Chapter 385, my friend, Kisame does have inhuman eyes. Not fish eyes, eyes that are special, like the Sharingan.

What are you talking about? What kind of eyes? I read that chapter but don,t remember any mention of kisame.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Ah-Ha!
It wasn't from that chapter!
Either the spoilers were wrong or they were for a future chapter.
Let's keep this on hold till I have the answer.

[Xinobi]

My interest has peaked as well. I think I might subscribe to this thread...

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Itachi still win his not immune to genjutsu so that automatically make him lose.
Mangekyo is just above his level.
I stay behind my words I sad before in this thread and nobody stated an argument that would make me think I'm wrong.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

You gotta wait, Kisame has some eye technique, Idk what it is yet...it cut off there....but I'll have to wait and see and get back to you.

[Shishi Uchiha]

kisame has a doujutsu? wow

[Xinobi]

I am waiting, Matt... What is this info?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Oh i don't have it yet.
By, "you gotta wait," I meant you gotta wait a while, till like the next chapter or two.

[Xinobi]

I mean where did you get that idea from because I wanna read it too.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Naruto Chapter 385 Thread.
I had spoilers there for later on in Volume 41, or i think at least.

[Xinobi]

I read it, I didn't get that impression... Maybe I missed it or read it wrong?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

It said something about Kisame's eyes, who knows maybe I misread something.

[kstylegunz]

Kisame doesnt have any eye techinique or doujutsu. I read it too

[uchiha geek]

itachi would beat him forsure

[hyugamaster]

itachi would use the mangekyou and destroy kisames mind

and when he is vulnerable itachi willl go in for the kill!!

were havin fried fish tonight!!!!!!!!