Hokages vs. Akatsuki (OFFICIAL THREAD)

[Deadpool]

Hokages:


The First Hokage is the founding father of Konoha, he created the Hidden Village of the leaf. He's especially known for his ability to use his jutsu Mokuten, this jutsu has the ability to control Bijuu and Jinchuurikin.The 1st Hokage was a Earth user and that's mainly what he specialized in. As seen in the Orochimaru battle the 1st hokage could control nature around him. His Death still remains a mystery but it is believed that Kakuzu, the Akatsuki member ripped his heart out in battle and killed him but is no proven Fact except for a Few pictures displayed in the manga so this might change.







Name: 2nd Hokage (nidaime)
The Second Hokage is the Younger brother of the First Hokage, his special ability was Water Jutsus. His Water Jutsu skills were so powerful that he didn't even need a direct water source to form his jutsus. He was famous for using a Sword called the Raijin which eventually was destroyed by Naruto and Sasuke.






Name:3rd Hokage (Sandaime Also known as Sarutobi)
The 3rd Hokage was Trained by both the first and Second Hokage. He came out of Retirement after the 4th Hokage gave his life sealing the Kyuubi in Narutos Body. The 3rd Hokage belonged to the Sarutobi Clan. His Grandson is Konohamaru who has the goal to become the 7th hokage, and one of his sons is Asuma. The 3rd Hokage Trained Orochimaru, Tsunade, and Jiraiya the Legendary Sannin. His Favorite Student was Orochimaru. Orochimaru Betrayed Konoha and went out and started his own village called the Sound Village. During the Chuunin Exams Orochimaru used the Hidden Village and his sound village to wage war Against Konoha. Him and Sarutobi the 3rd Hokage went into battle, orochimaru used his Ero Tensei Jutsu to summon the Dead using 2 sacrifices. He Summoned the 1st Hokage and the 2nd hokage for the 3rd to battle. He almost summoned the 4th but the jutsu failed because Sandaime realized what he was doing. Sandaime was losing untill he used the Jutsu the 4th used to Seal the Kyuubi. He first Sealed the 1st and 2nd Hokages Soul. then went After his student Orochimaru. He failed to Seal Orochimaru because he was too powerful but he did manage to take off Orochimarus arms so orochimaru couldn't use his techniques & Jutsu he worked so hard to learn. He was later on Found Dead on top the roof top where Him and Orochimaru battled.


Name: 4th Hokage (Yondaime (Namikaze Minato))
The 4th Hokage is the strongest ninja ever to be produced in Konoha. He's known as the Yellow flash for his swift speed and power. During the War the Enemy ninjas were told if they seen the 4th to flee on sight. the 4th hokage taught Obito Uchiha, Rin and Kakashi During his time as a Jounin. The 4th Hokage's most original move is the Rasengan, he was planning on adding nature manipulation into it except he never got to complete it because he died from sealing the nine tailed fox into Naruto Uzumakis Body.




Name: 5th Hokage (Godaime (sometimes called Tsunade))
The 5th Hokage is the 1st Hokages Daughter, she is the currently serving Hokage in Naruto Shippuuden at the beginning of the Season. Her special Abilities are in the area of medical Jutsu and her ability to heal and cure almost everyone. Because of her Excellent Chakra Control she is able to control her chakra so much that she can focus her chakra energy to one point of her body like her pist and punch and create huge holes in the ground. She's also known as " The Legendary Sucker" because of her horrible gambling Abilities, which is known throughout fire country. Her Attendants are Shizune and later on in the series her new attendants are Sakura and Ino.


Akatuskis:
Name: Sasori
Status: Dead, He was finished off by Sakura

Sasori was a Puppet master Genius as a child. He Created all of Kankuro's puppet's he uses along with quit a few other puppets. he was sometime's known as "Sasori of the Red Sand" for his abilities. Sasori's Decent to Darkness happened after the Death of his parents. His Goal in Akatsuki was to capture Shukaku and Extracted the 1st Tailed beast from Gaara of the Desert. He succeeded in doing so with the help of his partner Deidara. Shortly after Sasori and the other Akatsuki Extracted the Bijuu from Gaara, Sakura and his grandmother Chiyo fought Sasori. It was discovered that Sasori had turned his own dead parents into puppets along with himself and the Kazekage of the Hidden Village of the Sand. Even though they were just puppet's he could use thier jutsu's. However since Sasori still required his regular organs and main body parts like the heart to function. All it took was Sakura's mighty Strength to do a deadly blow and destroy him.




Name: Deidara
Status: Alive

Deidara before He joined akatsuki participated in Anti-Nationlist movements inorder to test his "Art" he would call it. The Akatsuki got Deidara to join by having him challenge Itachi. Itachi used Genjutsu inorder to trick Deidara into almost destroying himself with his own bombs. Since Deidara lost he was forced to join akatsuki and be Sasori's Partner. Him and Sasori's mission was to Capture the 1st Tailed beast Shukaku. He succeeded using his covert Tactics and his Clay that he mixed in with gaara's sand which caused Gaara of the Desert's Demise. After He fought Naruto and Kakashi and lost his Arm to Kakashi's Mangekyo Sharingan but was able to Find it and use it again in future mission's with his new Partner Tobi (he's a good boy). After The Death of Orochimaru, Deidara goes after Sasuke Uchiha because it was Deidara that wanted to killed Orochimaru.




Name: Tobi
Status: Alive

Not Much is known about this Character other then the fact that he used to be Zetsu's partner. Zetsu referred to him as "A good boy". After Sasori Died Tobi got to have Sasori's Ring and finally became a official member of Akatsuki. Many times before Tobi had tried to get into Akatsuki. During the Sasuke Uchiha fight Tobi showed similar abilities to Zetsu especially when he went underground and planted land mines that were suppose to kill Sasuke Uchiha when he ran away. All they did though was blow up when Deidara almost hit the ground and landed on them.






Name: Itachi Uchiha
Status: Alive

As a Child Growing up Itachi Uchiha was a Prodigy. He was always the top in his class. he mastered the Sharingan at a Early Age and Graduated from the Academy and by the Age of 12 He had already become a Chuunin. Although he was a Genius he still had a Darkside... He killed his Best friend Shisui Uchiha and used his Sharingan to copy Shisui's hand writing inorder to make it look like a suicide. Him and Shisui were the only Uchiha's that didn't show up at the Uchiha Clan Hidden Meeting Space. So it was Automatically Assumed that Itachi killed Shisui. After That Meetings about Shisui's Suicide, Itachi's Father said he would watch over Itachi himself. but a few day's later Itachi Murdered his whole clan using the power of his newly Obtained Mangekyo Sharingan. The only people left in the Uchiha Clan are Sasuke Uchiha, Itachi's younger brother and itachi himself. On the Night of the Uchiha Massacre. Itachi let Sasuke live after Inflicting Mental Damage too him. "There can only be 3 Mangekyo Sharingan Users and if you were one there would be a Reason to let you live." After That Horrible night of Murder, Itachi left the Village and joined Akatsuki which he had been Secretly in 2 year's before the Clan's Massacre. Him and his Partner Kisame's Goal is to Capture the 9 Tailed Jinchuurikin which happens to be Naruto Uzumaki. He was choosen for the job because of his knowledge of Konoha and because of his Excellent abilities.




Name: Kisame Hoshikage
Status: Alive

Known for his assasination attempt's of Feudal lords in the Hidden Village of the Mist. Kisame Hoshikage is 1 of the Seven Sword's men of the Mist. His sword is called "Samehada". It's ability is to adsorb Chakra and much more. Nobody can control the Samehada except Kisame Hoshikage himself. As seen in the Naruto Shippuuden Series, Maito Gai tried to attack Kisame with his own weapon but spike's came out of the sword and damaged Maito Gai. He's Itachi Uchiha's Partner in Akatsuki and it's his and Itachi's goal to Capture the 9 Tailed Jinchuurikin.




Name: Hidan
Status: Immortal but Barried Live

Hidan comes from a Village where Jashinism is the Main Religion. His Goal's in the Akatsuki are to turn all those "non-jashins" into Jashin Worshippers. Hidan's God Jashin gave him immortality so he couldn't be killed in Battle. Immortality does have it's weak points though. Can you Imagine being Barried Alive and not dieing?! Well Shikamaru did that too Hidan using his own explosions and tricks. Hidan isn't a very Intelligent person though so he fell for it easily. Shikamaru Avenged his Sensei's Death and Hidan is now at the Bottum of the Nara Clan's land pit barried.






Name: Kakuzu
Status: Killed by Naruto Uzumaki and finished off by Kakashi.

Kakuzu been living long as long as Shodaime Time. Kakuzu fought Shodaime himself and is thought to have ripped Shodaime's heart. Because of all the Extra Heart's Kakuzu has required he has obtained a longer life span thanks to each heart. Kakuzu run's the money management of Akatsuki. He helped Assasinate Monks with Hidan. They're known as the "Zombie Team" because they're suppose to be Invincible but When Hidan and Kakuzu returned to Konoha, Naruto Uzumaki killed Kakuzu using the Wind Rasengan Shurikan. After Kakuzu was damaged and wondering why he was beaten by some kid Kakashi came and told him that the Younger Generation will surpass the older Generation then kakashi killed him with his Chidori.


Now if they were brought back to life, who do you think would win?

Battleground: Chonin Stadium

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Okay, Deadpool.
Like that your active in the battle dome.
but please, for the love of god. Stop with the character biographies. We all know what they can do.
I don't mean to be rude, but i don't wanna scroll all the way down, and I don't know what I should read and shouldnt'.

I'd say the Hokage's would win.
Seeing as this is manga.
There's Tobi, Itachi, Kisame, Zetsu, Konan and Pein.
6 on 5.
The 4th beats Kisame.
The 1st beats Itachi.
Tsunade beats Konan.
The 3rd beats Tobi
The 2nd beats Zetsu
Then 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th against Pein, who can bring him down..

the hokage's win.

[Deadpool]

Okey but i made the biographics for people that dont know who are those guys... Well if you know about them then you dont need to read... Anyway Just wanted to know this waht if goese like this
- Pein vs Minato= Pein
- 1st Hokage vs. Hidan= Hidan
- 2nd Hokage vs. Kisame= 2nd Hokage
- 3rd Hokage vs. Itachi= Draw( i think)
- 4th Hokage vs. Deidara= 4th Hokage
- Tobi, Konnan supporters wiating to see who needs help from akatuskis and then join to help them...

So apperently Akatuskis win!

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Deidara and Hidan aren't in Akatsuki any more.
They are dead.
1st Hokage got passed the Mangekyo against madara.
So 1st Hokage vs. Itachi = Shodamine
2nd Hokage vs. Kisame = Kisame
3rd Hokage vs. Tobi = 3rd Hokage
Minato vs. Zetsu = Minato
Tsunade vs. Konan = Draw or Tsunade.

Hokage's win.

Also Minato is the 4th Hokage.


And the biographies are pointless. We know the characters and what they can do. If we don't we wouldn't of click here.

[Deadpool]

Read the thread again i sayed they are all alive!

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Ah so you did.
So that will be a little bit different...

1st Hokage vs. Itachi = 1st Hokage
2nd Hokage vs. Kisame = 2nd Hokage
3rd Hokage vs. Hidan = 3rd Hokage
4th Hokage vs. Deidara = 4th Hokage
5th Hokage vs. Konan = 5th Hokage
then...
1st Hokage vs. Kakuzu = 1st Hokage.
2nd Hokage vs. Zetsu = 2nd Hokage
3rd Hokage vs. Tobi = 3rd Hokage
4th Hokage and 5th Hokage vs. Sasori = 4th and 5th Hokage

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Hokage vs. Pein = The Hokages
The Hokage's Win.

If we're going by re-summoning the dead.
Then the 3rd, 4th, 1st and 2nd are brought back in their prime, when they were strongest, smartest and fastest.

[Deadpool]

I didnt tell that hokages are alive, I just tolled that the all Akatuskis memmbers are alive!

And yeah..

3rd hokage vs Hidan= Hidan( cus hidan cant die!)

[Doctor Octogonapus]

No, he can.
I found a fluke In that I believe.
The 3rd is smart.
He'll figure out that the blood on that sword, whoever it belongs to dies.
So...you get Hidan's blood on that sword before he stabs himself...he's dead.
Also he only is invincible while in the special form.
And if all the hokages who are dead are dead then of course Akatsuki wins.
It's Tsunade vs. All!

[Yellow_Flash]

The fourth can kill all of the akatsuki's alone. he is the most powerful ninja ever to live, as he can appear behind you and leave a kunai in your back before you knew he had even moved.

[Summer.]

The fourth can kill all of the akatsuki's alone. he is the most powerful ninja ever to live, as he can appear behind you and leave a kunai in your back before you knew he had even moved.

you're not serious about that, aren't you?

do you have any idea what're you talking about?? O.O
akatsuki - 10 the most wanted ninjas, 10 the most cruel and powerful ninjas, 10 ninjas with their own, unique jutsu! and you're telling me they wouldn't be capable to take care over only ONE man?? 10 against 1?
that doesn't even make a decent joke...

it's true that minato is one of the most powerful ninjas ever, but even he wouldn't stand a chance against all 10 of akatsukis by himself... no way.
pein is at least as strong as minato and if there is +9 others on his side...

[Deadpool]

Summer you are right, but this is the stupid fact...

Orichimaru conntrols all of the died Hokages, so Orichimaru wont that is never wiil use those the battle the Akatuskis. But this i made as a change All hokage are alive and also Akatuskis, so tahts 5 on maybe 7 or such? Anyway I think it will be a draw, Cus Minato could take on two akatuskis memmbers, Tusnade onem But then pain whipes out tsunade and tryes to fight minato, Minato+Pein=Draw
Then Kakuzu, Hidan transformed and Kisame and all others on the 3 left hokages lol

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Okay that's starting to piss me off.
Not every fight ends in a draw.
Have you ever watched the Naruto series?
How many fights ended in a draw?
One...no two..

1st Hokage can take on 2.(Itachi and Tobi)(He can break the sharingan, therefore those two have nothing on him
2nd Hokage can take on 2.(Kisame and Konan)(Nidamine is stronger than Kisame, and paper doesn't work in water.)
3rd Hokage can take on 1.(Zetsu and Kakuzu)(Fire + Zetsu= Burnt up)(Monkey King Enma can help him out with Kakuzu)
4th Hokage can take on 2.(Deidara and Hidan)Deidara will be no problem for Minato and Gammabunta can Smash Hidan into the ground.
5th Hokage can take on 1.(Sasori)(Tsunade's strength and speed is too much for Sasori, and since they're all alive Tsunade knows Sasori's weaknesses because at the end of every mission someone has to write a report on it. That person will be Sakura and she'd have to include cause of death. From reading that she'll know what to do and not to do. But if she gets poisnoned it's a draw or Sasori wins. Unless she uses the slug..

4th Hokage vs. Sasori = 4th Hokage.
1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Hokage vs. Pein = The Hokages

or

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Hokage vs. Pein = The Hokages

[The8tailed1]

I agree the hokages would win hands down, I mean they are the strongest ninja in the village.

Deadpool seriously though what is up with you and having matches ending in draws all the time.

[Summer.]

Okay that's starting to piss me off.
did you see what someone said at the previous page? THAT is really pissing off xDD check it xD

Not every fight ends in a draw.
Have you ever watched the Naruto series?
How many fights ended in a draw?
One...no two..
agree.

1st Hokage can take on 2.(Itachi and Tobi)(He can break the sharingan, therefore those two have nothing on him
2nd Hokage can take on 2.(Kisame and Konan)(Nidamine is stronger than Kisame, and paper doesn't work in water.)
3rd Hokage can take on 1.(Zetsu and Kakuzu)(Fire + Zetsu= Burnt up)(Monkey King Enma can help him out with Kakuzu)
4th Hokage can take on 2.(Deidara and Hidan)Deidara will be no problem for Minato and Gammabunta can Smash Hidan into the ground.
5th Hokage can take on 1.(Sasori)(Tsunade's strength and speed is too much for Sasori, and since they're all alive Tsunade knows Sasori's weaknesses because at the end of every mission someone has to write a report on it. That person will be Sakura and she'd have to include cause of death. From reading that she'll know what to do and not to do. But if she gets poisnoned it's a draw or Sasori wins. Unless she uses the slug..

4th Hokage vs. Sasori = 4th Hokage.
1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Hokage vs. Pein = The Hokages

or

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Hokage vs. Pein = The Hokages

hmmm, you think nidame could beat kisame and konan? kisame is really strong, and I doubt origami is everything that konan has...
agree with the most of others. and if sandaime would have problems with kakuzu yondaime would help him, since he would pwn hidan pretty fast (though deidara would take him more time)...

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Nidamine is a water jutsu master.
I'm sure he could beat Kisame.
And actually Origami is pretty much all Konan has.
That's her style of jutsu.
Like Haku's was ice and needles.
Her's is paper xD

[Summer.]

And actually Origami is pretty much all Konan has.
That's her style of jutsu.
Like Haku's was ice and needles.
Her's is paper xD

but that seems so weak for akatsuki Oo

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I know.
She's a messenger and a scout, and a staller.
She's ancillary like Tobi(before he became all...gosh...I'ma kill you all)

[Summer.]

I know.
She's a messenger and a scout, and a staller.
She's ancillary like Tobi(before he became all...gosh...I'ma kill you all)

and I guess zetsu's ability is just that his plant is able to 'clean up' (eat) the scene xDD
well yeah, I guess they also need people like these two...

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Yeah. They do.
Although Deidara can clean up the scene too.
*boom!*

[Summer.]

Yeah. They do.
Although Deidara can clean up the scene too.
*boom!*

that boom would be just a little too obvious xDDD

[Yellow_Flash]

you're not serious about that, aren't you?

do you have any idea what're you talking about?? O.O
akatsuki - 10 the most wanted ninjas, 10 the most cruel and powerful ninjas, 10 ninjas with their own, unique jutsu! and you're telling me they wouldn't be capable to take care over only ONE man?? 10 against 1?
that doesn't even make a decent joke...

it's true that minato is one of the most powerful ninjas ever, but even he wouldn't stand a chance against all 10 of akatsukis by himself... no way.
pein is at least as strong as minato and if there is +9 others on his side...

Look at it this way... Pein summons lizard, when suddenly, wham, kunai in his throat!! Oh no, itachi can see when Minato is gonna go cuz of the sharingan, but ain't fast enough to stop it! the otehrs... namikaze meat. easy. ccept MAYBE sasori in Hiraku.

[LaserMonkey]

lol only thing that matches all 5 hokages is Pein others can't

Yondaime will come rushing threw and kill all of them, Itachi can't even match the speed of Yondaime, and Itachi's Illusions are not going to work on all 5 kages, Itachi will get beatin up by all of them. Pein can probaly match all 5 kages. Also Tobi.

Tobi = Madara Uchiha ;)

[Deadpool]

Look at it this way... Pein summons lizard, when suddenly, wham, kunai in his throat!! Oh no, itachi can see when Minato is gonna go cuz of the sharingan, but ain't fast enough to stop it! the otehrs... namikaze meat. easy. ccept MAYBE sasori in Hiraku.

You really think Pein would fall for the Kunai trick, he is the most powerfull man living, wich means he could beat 3 hokages no prob, but Him vs. Minato would be hard you know? Minato isnt that strong, Pein is at full streinght and Minato isnt cus he isnt brought fully back from life, and three legendary sennins i mean 4 legendary senins that is Jeraya asked help to take out one man! And those two just two Jeriya and some other guy would take out Minato with NP(no problome) so pein is stronger then Minato!

[Doctor Octogonapus]

lol only thing that matches all 5 hokages is Pein others can't

Yondaime will come rushing threw and kill all of them, Itachi can't even match the speed of Yondaime, and Itachi's Illusions are not going to work on all 5 kages, Itachi will get beatin up by all of them. Pein can probaly match all 5 kages. Also Tobi.

Tobi = Madara Uchiha ;)

NO HE'S NOT!
He's Obito Uchiha possesed partially by Madara Uchiha.
It's incredibly incredibly sad that you think he's completely Madara.
You obviously think the most sinister people act like complete idiots and fools.
And are ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN!

[LaserMonkey]

<_< wierdo....lol

yeah and how did you know that he's obito and that he is possed by Madara huh majin!?

Obito couldn't survive that Incident of that rock thing...But also a chance that he could <_<

:EDIT: So your calling me an idiot?

[Deadpool]

Majin knows all, lol! Anyway i think Obito and Pein could take on 1,2,3,4 hokage the 5th they would need help!

[LaserMonkey]

Naw Pein and Tobi, Well, they might have a chance of defeating the 1st and
2nd but not 3rd, 4th, or 5th hokage -_-

[Deadpool]

Dont know about that cus if they fight by that they will lose chakra when the fight.. So 1st(used like10%) then 2nd(20%) then 3rd(40%) 4th(60%), 5th(70-80%) of chakra!

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

Tobi is not obito, obito is uchiha madara. The wierd mask Madara Uchiha has on is related to his sharaingan, it's an evidence that prove Madara has reach something higher than Magekio, it's clearly deceiving you guys which is probelly what kishamoto(misspell i think) is aiming at, thus to further prove this logic wait for the next few chapters. One last thing Pein is no where as strong as Madara Uchiha, what's wrong with you guys! it's absurd. Madara's appearence proves he's stronger than Pein by achieving a higher level than MS, it doesn't support the whole tobi=obito theory. Madara might be old(100s year old) but if he created the kyuubi i think he can manage himself to survive with a simple technic through out all those years(ex. oruchimaru). Obito was killed Madara was not, he just misteriosly disappear then came kyuubi, can't you see some patterns!

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Okay SAsuke Uchiha. I'm saving you for last because...because.

@Shape Shifter. No I'm not calling you an idiot. Also The 1st might be able to beat Pein. The 1st was the strongest of all Hokages.

@Shape Shifter

And there's no way a man can live for over 115 what's your point.

@Sasuke Uchiha

1. Kyuubi was always around. They said Madara might of summoned Kyuubi. It's not that impossible. Gaara summoned Shukaku, did he live forever. No.

2. Okay fine. Let's say he's Madara.
WHY THE F**K WOULD MADARA BE THE IDIOT SIDEKICK OF A WANNA-BE TERRORIST!
Why would he act like a complete idiot and be completely useless? Why would he let the clearly weaker one of the two do the fighting? Why would he disgrace himself and disrespect his "elders"? For fun? That's right, for fun, because we all know that the most sinister of people are idiots who joke around all the time and are happy and cheery. You can't live for 115 years. Orochimaru had the immortality thing and still nearly died. Madara also does not talk in 3rd person. Kishimoto is leading YOU on. And personally, I can't wait till the mask comes off, cause when it's not Madara your gonna look like a fool. I'm not saying it's 100% Obito. Your saying it's 100% Madara, because of what? ONE statement which was clearly misunderstood. The idea wasn't even in your head until you heard his name spoken by Tobi. Naruto could say I have Minato's power, is he Minato? No-no. Tobi acts just like Obito, exactly like Obito. In fact part of me believed that it couldn't be Obito. Until I read Kakashi Gaiden, and then I noticed that you put a mask on Obito and you have Tobi! I'm not saying it's definitly Obito, but it's most likely.


3. Obito coming back brings conflict into, Kakashi main character and Kakashi's storyline.

Madara coming back...doesn't really have any twists. Since he's just a name in the series, he hasn't been seen at all...everyone knows he's dead.

Obito coming back....everyone will be like WTF i though he was dead! That brings the biggest twist in the storyline since Sasuke's Decision to leave Konoha.
Not saying it's 100% gotta be Obito.
But I'm saying 100% it's not Madara.

Obito partially possessed by Madara is my guess.

[LaserMonkey]

hmm...you got your self a point there Majin....<_<

But how can obito even lived threw that death exprience?

:EDIT: well thats your guess, so my guess will be obito possed by Madara <_<

:EDIT: You already made your point so happy now?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

hmm...you got your self a point there Magin....<_<

But how can obito even lived threw that death exprience?

I'm not sure.
the same way Naruto can live through a Chidori through his chest?
or have his head crushed in...or be completely lit on fire.
Also
Sasuke_Uchiha_#1_Fan reply to what I said in the previous page, whenever you get on.

[LaserMonkey]

Well, is there anything going on with Kakashi's life about Tobi or Obito huh?

If there is, that might be Obito possed by Madara or just Obito.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Well, is there anything going on with Kakashi's life about Tobi or Obito huh?

If there is, that might be Obito possed by Madara or just Obito.

I'm gonna be pissed if it's neither Madara or Obito.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Ohh cool thread Deadpool i like it,well as for me akatsuki wins cause they just have to many unique jutsus and pein )) i mean i dont want to talk about that guy but to have eyes that can destroy world yep that's nasty.I think ppl give to much credit to fourth hokage i mean somebody here has sad that he can beat all 10 akatsukis by himself.So ill ask that guy to quit joking ok? ))

[Deadpool]

Thank, you sasori! Anyway As Majin Said 1st and 4th maybe beat pein! The just an "maybee" But the third, 2nd and the 3rd and the 5th they could beat easly.... And wao we are only talking about 2 guys from akatuskis what if all the crew jump in the battle all akatuskis(more powerfull) vs. Hokages(powerfull like 2-3 of akatuskis)! To shame that Hokages are just that litlle!

[Cinaed Delaney]

@Shape Shifter

And there's no way a man can live for over 115 what's your point.



Madera lived at the same time as the 1st Hokage correct?
So did Kakuzu. So Kakuzu must be around 100-1?? years old. Yet he was alive. I dont think that Tobi is 100% anyone. Only 100% goofy. I believe that he is Obito in some way. Im just saiying that you "He is 115 years old!" is not flawless.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Madera lived at the same time as the 1st Hokage correct?
So did Kakuzu. So Kakuzu must be around 100-1?? years old. Yet he was alive. I dont think that Tobi is 100% anyone. Only 100% goofy. I believe that he is Obito in some way. Im just saiying that you "He is 115 years old!" is not flawless.


tell me.
You've seen Madara Uchiha's picture, no?

Does he have scars every inch of his body?
NO.
Kakuzu lived for that long because he's no longer himself, 9 hearts and all new organs, he's no longer alive so to speak...although now he's literally no longer alive.

Thank, you sasori! Anyway As Majin Said 1st and 4th maybe beat pein! The just an "maybee" But the third, 2nd and the 3rd and the 5th they could beat easly.... And wao we are only talking about 2 guys from akatuskis what if all the crew jump in the battle all akatuskis(more powerfull) vs. Hokages(powerfull like 2-3 of akatuskis)! To shame that Hokages are just that litlle!

The third, second and fifth could beat pein easily? Yeah right.

[Xinobi]

We have not seen Pein do jack squat yet but do summons and make dups of Kisame and Itachi. I am thinking he isn't as bad as we think he is. If he just sits back and lets his Akatsuki summons do all his work for him I will be extremely pissed. HE NEEDS TO FIGHT so we can do a decent battledome with him.

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

1. Kyuubi was always around. They said Madara might of summoned Kyuubi. It's not that impossible. Gaara summoned Shukaku, did he live forever. No.
what the hell??? perhaps you misuderstood my point!

2. Okay fine. Let's say he's Madara.
WHY THE F**K WOULD MADARA BE THE IDIOT SIDEKICK OF A WANNA-BE TERRORIST!
Why would he act like a complete idiot and be completely useless? Why would he let the clearly weaker one of the two do the fighting? Why would he disgrace himself and disrespect his "elders"? For fun? That's right, for fun, because we all know that the most sinister of people are idiots who joke around all the time and are happy and cheery.
When I write I might not strength myself as much as you do, but i know what i'm saying. Do you not find strange that after Madara got beat by the 1st Hokage he disapear and he's death is yet uncertain, then comes the kyuubi, my theory is that he wanted to take revange on the Leaf Village, it took him severals year but finally did created the nine-tails and send to the leaf village. Now he want that power back! unlike obito who's purpose isn't necessary he's a good guy, i ask you why the fock would he had turn evil????

You can't live for 115 years. Orochimaru had the immortality thing and still nearly died.
tell oh please tell me, what hell does this has to do with anything??????

I can't wait till the mask comes off, cause when it's not Madara your gonna look like a fool. I'm not saying it's 100% Obito. Your saying it's 100% Madara, because of what? ONE statement which was clearly misunderstood
It seems you claim not to be 100% yet you're contradicting yourself by stating you can't wait till i look like a fool! if for somehow he's not madara, i'll be like "shiiiiiiit" and then..... well life goes on!

3. Obito coming back brings conflict into, Kakashi main character and Kakashi's storyline
no can do! not happening!

Madara coming back...doesn't really have any twists. Since he's just a name in the series, he hasn't been seen at all...everyone knows he's dead.
i already answer this, meaning you're repeating yourself!

Obito coming back....everyone will be like WTF i though he was dead! That brings the biggest twist in the storyline
it would be predictible there would be no suspense since most of you guys seem to agree with the tobi=obito, so....... aren't you like against it???

[Doctor Octogonapus]

I'm not gonna even bother.
There's no evidence at all to back it up.
Tobi is clearly in his 20's or 30's, Madara is 115. OH MAYBE HE WENT BACK IN TIME BROUGHT THE TIME MACHINE AND GAVE IT TO THE YOUNG HIM! That would make about as much sense as the rest of the theory.
He's not Madara.
I'm tired.
I don't even care anymore. It's just too much work, believe what you believe, I know it's not him.
Thank you amsterdam, Goodnight....

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

I'm not gonna even bother.
There's no evidence at all to back it up.
Tobi is clearly in his 20's or 30's, Madara is 115. OH MAYBE HE WENT BACK IN TIME BROUGHT THE TIME MACHINE AND GAVE IT TO THE YOUNG HIM! That would make about as much sense as the rest of the theory.
He's not Madara.
I'm tired.
I don't even care anymore. It's just too much work, believe what you believe, I know it's not him.
Thank you amsterdam, Goodnight....

I thought you were anxious to hear from me??. If oruchimaru a hopeless species compare to madara can make himself immortal and someone(Madara) who summond an immortal(kyuubi), you're telling me that there's no way Madara could it had survive all those years???

[Doctor Octogonapus]

That's right! I am! You know why. Cause what's the point! What is the point of bringing back Madara THERE IS NO POINT! It's stupid. It's random. There's no storyline twist that alters a character like it would if Tobi was Obito. Orochimaru developed the immortality jutsu and finally perfected it 12 years after the summoning.
Kyuubi was no doubt summoned by Madara.
But Madara can't live forever BY SUMMONING SOMETHING.
Enma's immortal, WHERES THE 3rd HOKAGE
Shukaku's immortal, GAARA STILL DIED!
Gammabunta, Minato died.
Summoning something doesn't make you immortal, why the hell would it?
Also even if Madara was immortal...why'd he get so dumb? Why'd he CRY for DEIDARA when Deidara couldnt be seen? That's not Madara Uchiha, i know it's not.

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

Summoning something doesn't make you immortal, why the hell would it?
Appearently you're not getting the point and you never will, this has nothing nothing nothing to do with the summoning it only reflect the high level skill of it's user, which in this case would be Madara, who else can summon someone that powerfull?. You just somehow i do not know why you find it impossible for madara to survive that long unlike Jaraiya find it as a second nature, it is not that impossible as you constantly keep claiming.

Also even if Madara was immortal...why'd he get so dumb? Why'd he CRY for DEIDARA when Deidara couldnt be seen? That's not Madara Uchiha, i know it's not.
Madara claim he was undercover for what? is yet unknown but it's clearly stated he was under cover untill somehow that fight with sasuke woke him up, he's raleted to sasuke as the kyuubi himself state and that's probelly why both itachi and sasuke are above average. Tobi was just like naruto, do you see naruto becoming evil?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Wtf.
That makes no sense. You were agueing AGAINST yourself. Tobi was a good little boy, like Obito.
Also, Gaara summoned something that powerful. Strange, I don't see him living for 115 years.

[Cinaed Delaney]

We get the point Majin, summoning kyuubi does not make him immortal, but what in the world does that have to do with anything? There might be other ways, than the ones used by Orochimaru and Kakuzu, to become "immortal". You dont know if Madera could have figured out a way to become immortal. But dont get me wrong, i dont think that Madera is Tobi, but you cant prove that he is not. We just have to wait and see.

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

Wtf.
That makes no sense. You were agueing AGAINST yourself. Tobi was a good little boy, like Obito.
Also, Gaara summoned something that powerful. Strange, I don't see him living for 115 years.
Gaara's demon was transmitted into him by chiyo, he did not create the beast, now did he?? besides that's not my point and you only look silly
You gone mad child, this is the third time you state the same shit. Also explain how am i arguing against myself? Obito has no reason to turn evil, there isn't evidence at all that proves he'll turn evil or even that he even survive, now contrasting Madara you can clearly see more facts, he summoned the kyuubi and he's currently hunting those demons, he mysteriously disappear after he got beat and then years later came the 9tails, his 115 years old has make him the most powerful character of them all it's only reasonable that there's no one better fit to be akatasuki boss than Madara himself and that's precisely why Pein respect him and look up to him. Founder of the Uchihas and the Leaf-along with the 1st(leaf only).

[Yellow_Flash]

lol only thing that matches all 5 hokages is Pein others can't

Yondaime will come rushing threw and kill all of them, Itachi can't even match the speed of Yondaime, and Itachi's Illusions are not going to work on all 5 kages, Itachi will get beatin up by all of them. Pein can probaly match all 5 kages. Also Tobi.

Tobi = Madara Uchiha ;)

Oh ya forgot about the whole Madara thing.. btw 1st hokage... 2nd?... beat Madara a LONG LONG time ago. there statues were at the waterfall where sasuke+ naruto fought.

[Incendiary]

Okay, Deadpool.
Like that your active in the battle dome.
but please, for the love of god. Stop with the character biographies. We all know what they can do.
I don't mean to be rude, but i don't wanna scroll all the way down, and I don't know what I should read and shouldnt'.


In Deadpool's defense, I think the biographies are actually fine the way they are, because often people need to be reminded of any details and that's even more annoying.

Anyhow, I think Yondaime alone has the ability to finish all of them off. With the help of others he will avoid Itachi's genjutsu effotlessly and he is much quicker than him. So I say Hokages would win against Akatsuki, even though I <3 them all to death.

As for Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan, you're contradiciting yourself. Wow, I just wasted five minutes of my time attempting to decipher what you are trying to get across. If you get any more cryptic, my eyes will burn. Just saying. ;)

Gaara's demon was transmitted into him by chiyo, he did not create the beast, now did he?? besides that's not my point and you only look silly

What is your point?

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

What is your point?
It's pretty self explanatory! what's the point that you along with that other dude(or "duda") are not getting? You guys keep claiming that i'm contradicting myself yet you guys also refuse to answer my question when i ask you "how am i contradicting myself?", you see i highly doubt you along with that other person are not getting my message? If you would bother eneough and tell me how am i contradicting myself i would be happy re-explain it to you the simplest way possible.

[Incendiary]

Excuze-moi, quit the repetiteveness and get on with stating your point.

Please.

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

Excuze-moi, quit the repetiteveness and get on with stating your point.

Please.
what are you not getting?

[Incendiary]

Your point.

[Deadpool]

Comon Pein, Tobi, and all other akatuskis could killall hokages what i mean is Only Pein and Tobi could kill 3 hokages then when all akatuskis come well, hehe...

[hyugamaster]

if all the hokages were alive then ofcourse they would own but if its just tsunade its over

[iRob]

i guess but the hokages are no normal ninja there the elite of elite the leader not saying the akatsuki isnt that great its that there in there own league im not really sure on what to go to in the short run im going with the hokages just

[Sasori[RedSand]]

WOW have u read manga 377 now im sure akatsuki would win that pein guys is
strong.There is no way u can get close to him he can see you from 3 points of view,he can prepare your defenses before u even perform attack.Also did u see that clone he summoned it apsorbed ultimate rasengan.And that trick with summoning 2 persons is cool its like having a byakugan.I couldn't stop laughing when i saw how he neutralize all jirayas attacks in hermit mode with so little effort.And also majin im not sure could second beat kisame cause kisame has far more chakra supply then him.As for Sasori and Deidara they both matched 2 of kazekages solo.Deidara defeated gaara and Sasori defeated 3rd.So Deidara and Sasori are equal to kage level.And we know itachi owned deidara and he owned orochimaru the person who defeated 3rd hokage.And still we haven't saw Itachi full potential,that goes for kisame too.
There is also kakuzu who sad he fought first hokage and stand on equal ground with him.This time kakuzu would have help from hidan so they can defeat first.I'm not sure for konan if origami is all that she have then that seems pretty weak.And to not forget about Zetsu and tobi the 2 members who are complete mistery.
So my conclusion is Akatsuki punch hokages in the face

[Deadpool]

Thanks i was going to say that, cause nobody could touch pein... Pein is very strong somthing like the 4ths streinght, but all hokages*live+ and all akutusks+live+

[hyugamaster]

if everyone is alive it would be a good match but the hokages would come out on top

[Megaman123]

Akatsuki all the way. Just look how freaking tough Itachi is himself. It's amazing! This would be no competition, Akatsuki has got it all the way.

[hyugamaster]

this isnt some genin or chunin these are full blown hokages at thier strongest you should stop lying to yourself wat itachi does is mere childsplay compared to the hokages

[hyugamaster]

Hokages all the way

[Doctor Octogonapus]

this isnt some genin or chunin these are full blown hokages at thier strongest you should stop lying to yourself wat itachi does is mere childsplay compared to the hokages

1. No it's not. Itachi is stronger than the 5th Hokage.
2. Stop double posting.

[hyugamaster]

that may be true but whose to say that tsunade and itachi will face off it may be someone else

[Doctor Octogonapus]

that may be true but whose to say that tsunade and itachi will face off it may be someone else

Agreed.
The 1st can beat the two Uchiha's, cause only the 1st is able to beat the Sharingan.

The 1st'll beat Itachi and Tobi.(The 1st can beat the sharingan)
The 2nd'll beat Konan and Deidara(Water shuts down paper and explosives)
The 3rd'll beat Kisame and Zetsu(Fire beats Plants. Earth beats Fish)
The 4th and 5th'll beat Hidan and Kakuzu(Gammabunta can stomp Hidan into the ground, the 5th can heal them and disable Kakuzu and Hidan's arms and legs and muscles.)

And all 5 can beat Pein.

Hokage's win.

[hyugamaster]

good job youve got it all figured out but why would pein sit around and watch his comrads fall

[Doctor Octogonapus]

good job youve got it all figured out but why would pein sit around and watch his comrads fall

Cause he doesn't care.
He sat around and let them do the dirty work.

[hyugamaster]

agreed

[hyugamaster]

how can someone be so heartless

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Quit double posting.
Cause he has no heart.

[hyugamaster]

sorry for trying to make a point

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Kakuzu would stand on equal ground with first hokage if Hidan helps him they would kill him,sasori and deidara would do a rampage against second,
pein would kill minato,Itachi and kisame would kill 3rd hokage and konan and tobi would kill tsunade.

[Sasuke Uchiha #1 Fan]

There's no way and i mean no way that all hokages are gonna beat akatsukis, akatsuki is higher than hokage level. Prove- Diadara did beat the hell out of Gaara, Oruchimaru -even though he quit the akatsuki- did kill sarutobi. Those akatsuki i just mention are weak compare to Itachi who's stronger than both Oruchimaru and Diadara and Itachi is a rooky compare to Madara Uchiha and Pein. You can even throw Jariaya to the Hokage team they would still loose.

[BK-nin]

i vote for hokages. u got shodai, with wood release, nidaime who can use water jutsu without any source of water, sarutobi the god of shinobi because he can do every jutsu introduced to konoha, minato who can summon gamabunta created rasengan and can summon shinigami, and tsunade-hime who summons slugs can use medical ninjutsu better than anyone ever and is super strong

[Doctor Octogonapus]

There's no way and i mean no way that all hokages are gonna beat akatsukis, akatsuki is higher than hokage level. Prove- Diadara did beat the hell out of Gaara, Oruchimaru -even though he quit the akatsuki- did kill sarutobi. Those akatsuki i just mention are weak compare to Itachi who's stronger than both Oruchimaru and Diadara and Itachi is a rooky compare to Madara Uchiha and Pein. You can even throw Jariaya to the Hokage team they would still loose.

Deidara - Gaara and the sand village are weak! Naruto beat Gaara. Tsunade owned Naruto up the ass and 7 ways to sunday.

Orochimaru - Didn't kill Sarutobi. Sarutobi killed himself.
Itachi and Tobi(NOT FUCKING MADARA!!!!!!!!!!!!) - The 1st can beat cause the first beat Madara which means he can get past the Sharingan.
Pein - The 1st and 4th could beat him. The 4th is stronger than Jiriaya.

Zetsu and Kisame are beaten by the 3rd because of fire and earth.
Konan and Deidara are beaten by the 2nd because clay gets soggy in water, and paper does too.
Itachi and Tobi are beaten by the 1st because the 1st can beat the sharingan, and I'll even humor you, don't say, "But Madara beat him before". Cause 1, he ain't Madara. and to Madara is 112, the Hokage is brought back in his prime.

[Sasori[RedSand]]

majin u forgot about sasori hidan and kakuzu and we know kakuzu onced fought with first hokage and stand with eqal ground with him.
First is useless in this fight 2 uchihas who are specialists in fire jutsu,pein who can use all five elements(that means fire) and kakuzu can use fire element so first secret jutsu wouldn't work(fire burns wood).Nidaime can fight second hokage cause they are both water type ninjas and they can use water jutsus without water supply near by but still kisame has a lot more chakra supply then Nidaime.Sasori can kill Tsunade Deidara and hidan can kill 3rd and yondaime is no match for pain with assistance with konan.
So Akatsuki is victorious!!!

[Doctor Octogonapus]

;56411']majin u forgot about sasori hidan and kakuzu and we know kakuzu onced fought with first hokage and stand with eqal ground with him.
First is useless in this fight 2 uchihas who are specialists in fire jutsu,pein who can use all five elements(that means fire) and kakuzu can use fire element so first secret jutsu wouldn't work(fire burns wood).Nidaime can fight second hokage cause they are both water type ninjas and they can use water jutsus without water supply near by but still kisame has a lot more chakra supply then Nidaime.Sasori can kill Tsunade Deidara and hidan can kill 3rd and yondaime is no match for pain with assistance with konan.
So Akatsuki is victorious!!!

Yes, but no one made match ups.
So I'm making the match ups.

The 1st and beat the two uchiha's cause he can beat the sharingan.
The 2nd beats Konan and Deidara because clay gets soggy and paper does too
The 3rd beats Kisame and Zetsu because Earth beats Fish. Fire beats Grass.
The 4th beats Pein because Jiriaya and Pein are on equal grounds it looks like, and the 4th was much stronger than Jiriaya.
Then they can all beat Kakuzu and Hidan.

[Ceji]

The 3rd beats Kisame and Zetsu because Earth beats Fish.


lol. earth beats fish...kisame can breath out of the water you know...lol

[Doctor Octogonapus]

lol. earth beats fish...kisame can breath out of the water you know...lol

yes but he still uses the gills!
Earth clogs gills!
xD

[BK-nin]

Yes, but no one made match ups.
So I'm making the match ups.

The 1st and beat the two uchiha's cause he can beat the sharingan.
The 2nd beats Konan and Deidara because clay gets soggy and paper does too
The 3rd beats Kisame and Zetsu because Earth beats Fish. Fire beats Grass.
The 4th beats Pein because Jiriaya and Pein are on equal grounds it looks like, and the 4th was much stronger than Jiriaya.
Then they can all beat Kakuzu and Hidan. im not to sure about the minato part. but why don't you utilize tsunade-hime

[Sasori[RedSand]]

Majin second can't beat deidara did u see when deidara captured that turtle bijuu he maked bomb fish )) water doesn't disrupt deidaras art

[BK-nin]

;58962']Majin second can't beat deidara did u see when deidara captured that turtle bijuu he maked bomb fish )) water doesn't disrupt deidaras art the sanbi(three tails) iz the weakest bijuu, that's not an accomplishment

[Doctor Octogonapus]

the sanbi(three tails) iz the weakest bijuu, that's not an accomplishment

actually the Shukaku is the weakest, taken down by Naruto....

[Hyorinmaru10]

Ya the 1 tails is the weakest the 9-tails is the strongest... the only reason the 3-tails was so easy was it did not have the intecllegence of a shinobi like the 9 or 1 tails.

[BK-nin]

Ya the 1 tails is the weakest the 9-tails is the strongest... the only reason the 3-tails was so easy was it did not have the intecllegence of a shinobi like the 9 or 1 tails.

actually the Shukaku is the weakest, taken down by Naruto.... no even in the actual legend of the 9 bijuu the sanbi was the weakest. the ichibi (shukaku tanuki) was the third weakest, it tried to fight the kyuubi but then it ran cuz kyuubi's the strongest

[jiraiya_sama]

actually tobi is madara and the first beat madara at the valley of the end in chapter 370 it says that atleast i think is is 370 so besides the fact that you think madara isnt tobi i think well almost know ur wrong majin but i do know that the hokages would whip akatsuki ass if they all fought there majin is 100% right i mean majin even broke it down into strenghts vs weaknesses *gives majin rep.* i mean besides madara itachi and pein all the othe akatsuki arent that impressive

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Thank you for the rep.
But your wrong.
Madara is not Tobi.
I can see how you would assume that but it's not true.
All the evidence points it to Obito Uchiha, being possessed by Madara.
Every single thing that boy, also, notice my phrasing, BOY, because Tobi is a BOY. So that immediately rules out it's Madara, 115 years old is not a boy.

[jiraiya_sama]

hmm you know what know that i think about it obito did loose his left sharingan eye and gave it to kakashi and if you look at his mask it only shows his right sharingan eye hmm well i apologise i think i was wrong lol but then why does tobi dress just like that guy ?

[Doctor Octogonapus]

he doesn't.
If you look closely...Tobi isn't dressed like a Drag Show Queen in Vegas...
Tobi has metal bolts all across his body...from the fight....

[jiraiya_sama]

as far as i notice he had the same boots on and same forearm protectors all black he just talked more intellegent like a real leader wuld not tobi who was dumb and clumbsy

[jiraiya_sama]

maybe he lost his chest piece in the explosion from diedra?

[hyugamaster]

it may be obito just possesed by madara, we need kakashi to tell if this is true, and wat happened to that medical ninja that was on kakashi and obitos team???

[jiraiya_sama]

rin hmm i do not know what happened to her i dont ever think it said anything about her yea maybe kakashi will know im not sure....

[rush rush]

I say the 5 hokages cause Yondaime.

[Smiley]

Akatsuki.
Hokages are completely out-numbered.
Especially if you by "Akatsuki" mean both old and new Akatsuki.

[rush rush]

new akatsuki
and also dont forget yondaime the 4th hokage

[Smiley]

new akatsuki

What about it?

and also dont forget yondaime the 4th hokage

What about him?

[WhiteFang]

All the 5 hokages in their prime could actually completely destroy Akatsuki.

[Smiley]

Explain.
Ok, we have 5 hokages and:

-Kisame
-Itachi
-Sasori
-Deidara
-Hidan
-Kakuzu
-Tobi
-Sasuke
-Suigetsu
-Karin
-Juugo
-Pain(7 of them)
-Konan

First off, it's 20 people vs. 5. That's the main advantage they've got.
Meaning that each hokage would have to fight four people.

If someone doubts that that four Akatsuki members can defeat any hokage then I'm gonna continue.

[rush rush]

yondaime destroyed a whole army on his own!And by the way Sasori is dead so he should not be in that list

[Smiley]

Half of people on the list is dead.
That's why I asked if it's old or new Akatsuki.. or both.
Without old, well.. They're a lot weaker.
And the army you're referring to most likely wasn't nearly Akatsuki level.

[rush rush]

i said new and yondaime can beat half of the akatsuki and the other hokages will do the rest

[_Zetsu_]

akatsuki would win

[rush rush]

i think since the legendery yondaime is a hokage i say the hokages

[_Zetsu_]

ya you said it 4 times well Pein could take out probaly 2 hokages

[Smiley]

i said new and yondaime can beat half of the akatsuki and the other hokages will do the rest

Aww.. sorry, I didn't see that you opened the thread.
Cause there was no signature in your first post xD
'Kay so it's new Akatsuki.
Yet, I'm still with Akatsuki.

So, they've got the following members:

-Suigetsu
-Juugo
-Karin
-Sasuke
-Kisame
-Tobi
-Konan
-Pain(7)

Pain can probably beat any hokage one on one.
Rest of the members can do two on one battlest (except Tobi, as the strongest who would do the one on one battle).
So, when Pain finishes off his hokage, he can heal the bodies he loses and get on the second.
And so on.. Other members just have to hold off the hokages until Pain gets to them.

[_Zetsu_]

you forgot Zetsu

[Smiley]

Yeah.. him too.
Then they all can do two on one fights.

[mangekyou913]

i think it would be really clese but the akatsuki would win

[_Zetsu_]

no one would barley die in the akatsuki

[WhiteFang]

Ok. So lets analyze this:
Current akatsuki:
-Suigetsu
-Juugo
-Karin
-Sasuke
-Kisame
-Tobi
-Konan
-Pain(7)

First of all, the 1st Hokage destroyed Tobi/Madara once, he can definitely do it again. And without the Kyuubi in the picture as it is sealed in Naruto... the 1st would wipe the floor with him.
Yondy can kill Konan and Karin in a split second... hell, any Hokage could do that so they are not even in the picture.
Yondaime wiped armies in the blink of an eye... he and the 1st can easily take out Pein.
Sarutobi can take out Sasuke.
The 2nd can take care of Kisame.
Tsunade can destroy Juugo and Suigetsu.

[Smiley]

Ok. So lets analyze this:
Current akatsuki:
-Suigetsu
-Juugo
-Karin
-Sasuke
-Kisame
-Tobi
-Konan
-Pain(7)
-Zetsu

First of all, the 1st Hokage destroyed Tobi/Madara once, he can definitely do it again. And without the Kyuubi in the picture as it is sealed in Naruto... the 1st would wipe the floor with him.
Yondy can kill Konan and Karin in a split second... hell, any Hokage could do that so they are not even in the picture.
Yondaime wiped armies in the blink of an eye... he and the 1st can easily take out Pein.
Sarutobi can take out Sasuke.
The 2nd can take care of Kisame.
Tsunade can destroy Juugo and Suigetsu.

You don't know if that would be the fights.
But say that you're right.
It's nine Akatsukis vs. five hokages.
Tobi has already lost to 1st once, I doubt he'd get in the fight alone again. And Kyuubi was in their last fight controlled by both 1st and Madara, so it technically wasn't on anyone's side.
He would have someone on his side, let's say Zetsu.
Okay so it's 1st vs. Zetsu and Tobi
Let's say that 1st would win, even if he does, he would be all out and wouldn't have chakra to get in the fight with Pain.
So, all three of them are out.
2nd vs. Kisame
There was already a topic on this and people agreed that Kisame would win. But fine, let's say that he wouldn't, that he would beat Kisame, he would be tired and wouldn't be able to fight anymore.
3rd vs. Sasuke
How would 3rd beat Mangekyou..?
I'll leave this one for later.
Fourth vs. Karin and Konan - I doubt they'd put the two weakest members in one team. But it doesn't matter, let's say you're right. Fourth beats Karin and Konan.
Now comes 4th's second fight, against Pain.
1st is already out of chakra because of his last fight. He can't fight anymore.
It's 4th(not at 100% hence he already went through one fight) vs. Pain.
Pain wins, repairs his lost bodies and he's at 100% again.
And at the end we have Tsunade vs. Suigetsu and Juugo. Okay, Tsunade wins, I agree on this.

Now let's get back to 3rd vs. Sasuke.
I would say that Sasuke wins this. But okay, if you don't think he wouldn't, since Pain survived the fight with Yondaime he can come at help Sasuke.
And at the end we're left with
Pain and tired Sasuke vs. tired Tsunade.
Pain is the only guy left standing, so Akatsuki wins.

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your right i guess the hokages are to outnumbered

[Smiley]

First it's tired Yondaime, not Yondaime at 100%.
And second, no he wouldn't. Technically, no one can beat Pain without knowing his secret.

[D.I.Y Death]

First it's tired Yondaime, not Yondaime at 100%.
And second, no he wouldn't. Technically, no one can beat Pain without knowing his secret.

the 3rd with death reaper sealing technique would OWN Pein and his bodies.
ALl he needs to do is use Shadow clones and then use them to take out Peins bodies as well. No bodies=no Pein. That evens the odds out a whole lot right there. (Konan and Tobi would still be a problem)

[Smiley]

Pain wouldn't allow him to use the technique.
I'm not sure if I remember well but against Oro he used it with the sword already pierced through his body and the two of them standing in front of each other.
And explain how would third beat Sasuke.
Third looks him in the eyes, and he's already beaten.

[D.I.Y Death]

Pain wouldn't allow him to use the technique.
I'm not sure if I remember well but against Oro he used it with the sword already pierced through his body and the two of them standing in front of each other.
And explain how would third beat Sasuke.
Third looks him in the eyes, and he's already beaten.

Well first of all thats Team Hawk, not Akatsuki. Secondly a Hokage wouldn't be dumb enough to look into the eyes of a Sharingan user, otherwise they simply wouldn't be Hokage.

[Smiley]

It is new Akatsuki, meaning the remaining Akatsuki members + Hawk as the thread opener stated.
Third can use the sealing technique, but Pain wouldn't reveal all of his bodies at once, same as he didn't in fight with Jiraiya. He even has one body that he never uses in fight so even if Third seals 6 of his bodies, he always has one or more that he doesn't use in a fight.

[rush rush]

We would actualy see the fight of the 5 hokages v.s the 7 akatsuki to be sure right

[vane]

Rest of the members can do two on one battlest (except Tobi, as the strongest who would do the one on one battle).

Im glad you say this as fact even though he is not. I have already explained this on many threads that he doesnt even have the EMS anymore or it is damaged in some way. (Plus Hashirama already beat him when he did have it so it is pointless).

So, when Pain finishes off his hokage, he can heal the bodies he loses and get on the second.
And so on.. Other members just have to hold off the hokages until Pain gets to them
Actually like Whitefang has already stated. Minato had a flee on sight issue out for him in the third great ninja war. Meaning he was powerful and knew how to take care of a group of people at once. So Pein isnt just going to defeat him all that easily and fast. That fight would last longer than the rest of the fights.

You don't know if that would be the fights.

Yes and neither do you so this can go that way since it is strategy and a way of winning.

no one would barley die in the akatsuki

If this isnt the most pointless and false post here yet. Then I dont know what is. Your taking a group of people who are still young (like Juugo ,Karin, Suigetsu, and Konan against the 5 Hokages. This group will be wiped out fairly fast and it will even their numbers fairly good.

It's nine Akatsukis vs. five hokages.

Yes to which 4 of the Akatsuki will be wiped out fairly fast as they are nowhere near that of a Hokage. (any of them at that). And the fight is down to just about even (not including Pein 6 bodies) (also you need to stop saying 7 as we dont know that yet and is only an assumption).

Tobi has already lost to 1st once, I doubt he'd get in the fight alone again. And Kyuubi was in their last fight controlled by both 1st and Madara, so it technically wasn't on anyone's side.

Technically if you look at that fight again you will notice that the Kyuubi was against the 1st there. Plus Hasirama beat Madara when he still had the EMS. Now that Madara's EMS is either damaged or just not there anymore it would be a fairly easy fight for Hashirama.

He would have someone on his side, let's say Zetsu.

And when you tell me something that Zetsu can do to help Madara win then you might have a fight. But you dont know what Zetsu can do and neither does anyone else. So technially he is just dead weight here until proven what he can do.

Let's say that 1st would win, even if he does, he would be all out and wouldn't have chakra to get in the fight with Pain
Actually as I have already stated Madara is weaker than he use to be so Hashirama would be fine to take on another opponent if necissary.

3rd vs. Sasuke
How would 3rd beat Mangekyou..?
I'll leave this one for later.

I dont know maybe being the professor of jutsu helps. Maybe knowing every single non blood line jutsu in Konoha helps.

Fourth vs. Karin and Konan - I doubt they'd put the two weakest members in one team. But it doesn't matter, let's say you're right. Fourth beats Karin and Konan.
Now comes 4th's second fight, against Pain.

Either way these 2 are going to be taken out easily who ever they fight. So they are just minor annoyances for the Hokages. ( I mean really minor).

1st is already out of chakra because of his last fight. He can't fight anymore.

I already cleared this up that Hashirama would still have plenty of chakra to do another fight as Madara wouldnt wear him out now since Madara's EMS isnt there or is damaged now.

It's 4th(not at 100% hence he already went through one fight) vs. Pain.

Actually it would be 4th and Hashirama. Who are both exceptional at fighting multiple enemies at once.

Pain wins, repairs his lost bodies and he's at 100% again.

Not if all the bodies are taken out before they can be revived.

And at the end we have Tsunade vs. Suigetsu and Juugo. Okay, Tsunade wins, I agree on this.Im glad. Then that leaves another Hokage in to fight against Pein.

Now let's get back to 3rd vs. Sasuke.
I would say that Sasuke wins this. But okay, if you don't think he wouldn't, since Pain survived the fight with Yondaime he can come at help Sasuke.

Actually no. Pein is still fighting Minato. And possibly Hashirama at this point.

Pain and tired Sasuke vs. tired Tsunade.
Pain is the only guy left standing, so Akatsuki wins.No actually we're left with a Minato, Hashirama, Sarutobi, and Tsunade. (dont know about Nidaime). Against Pein and Sasuke. I say that pretty much goes to the Hokages.

[rush rush]

So do I!!!!!!!!!!!! it definenitley looks like

[D.I.Y Death]

It is new Akatsuki, meaning the remaining Akatsuki members + Hawk as the thread opener stated.
Third can use the sealing technique, but Pain wouldn't reveal all of his bodies at once, same as he didn't in fight with Jiraiya. He even has one body that he never uses in fight so even if Third seals 6 of his bodies, he always has one or more that he doesn't use in a fight.

Thats retarded, but ok. My point still stands what kind of leader would look into the eyes of a bloodline genjutsu master? Thats like saying "Hi I'm the strongest guy in my village! Please kill me."

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thats true im mean why would the 3rd hokage the smartest and strongest one in the village do that?

[Smiley]

Im glad you say this as fact even though he is not. I have already explained this on many threads that he doesnt even have the EMS anymore or it is damaged in some way. (Plus Hashirama already beat him when he did have it so it is pointless).


That was one of my first posts, I changed that later.
And I never said he has EMS, his time/space with no hand signs and ability to teleport any part of his body whenever and wherever he wants is enough of advantage.


Actually like Whitefang has already stated. Minato had a flee on sight issue out for him in the third great ninja war. Meaning he was powerful and knew how to take care of a group of people at once. So Pein isnt just going to defeat him all that easily and fast. That fight would last longer than the rest of the fights.

Those were incredibly weak. We're talking about Pain here.

Yes and neither do you so this can go that way since it is strategy and a way of winning.


I don't, but I took his assumptions so we can have fights to begin with, it's pointless to even think about this thing if we don't assume some match-ups.


Technically if you look at that fight again you will notice that the Kyuubi was against the 1st there. Plus Hasirama beat Madara when he still had the EMS. Now that Madara's EMS is either damaged or just not there anymore it would be a fairly easy fight for Hashirama.

That was only one picture of their who-knows how long fight.
KYuubi was with Madara, but it's completely useless against Hashirama who as well has control of it.

And when you tell me something that Zetsu can do to help Madara win then you might have a fight. But you dont know what Zetsu can do and neither does anyone else. So technially he is just dead weight here until proven what he can do.


Anything he does is of use, he is in Akatsuki, they wouldn't just put him in there if can't fight.

Actually as I have already stated Madara is weaker than he use to be so Hashirama would be fine to take on another opponent if necissary.

Hashirama.. was Madara's rival. He wouldn't have been his rival if the difference between them was that big.
Plus, we here have the other Akatsuki member on Madara's side. I'm still not saying Hashirama would lose, but he definitely wouldn't be able to fight Pain after fighting his greatest rival teamed up with one of Akatsuki members.



I dont know maybe being the professor of jutsu helps. Maybe knowing every single non blood line jutsu in Konoha helps.


Kakashi's knowledge of 1000+ jutsus didn't help him when he fell into Itachi's genjutsu.

[rush rush]

All right then

[vane]

That was one of my first posts, I changed that later.
And I never said he has EMS, his time/space with no hand signs and ability to teleport any part of his body whenever and wherever he wants is enough of advantage.

Ok and what makes you think he didnt have time/space jutsu then? He more than likely had that and the EMS then. So now that Madara doesnt have EMS this fight between the 2 would be pretty fast. And Hashirama would not be all worn out as you think he would.

Those were incredibly weak. We're talking about Pain here.

Ok we're talking about 40 or so Jounin to 6 Pein. Ok yes they are weaker but their numbers are great. Minato knows how to take on groups of enemies at once. Pein wont take him down so fast or easy. Pein would win in the long run but not anytime soon in the battle.

That was only one picture of their who-knows how long fight.
KYuubi was with Madara, but it's completely useless against Hashirama who as well has control of it.

Its still a picture that summarized that fight. That Madara had better control over it than Hashirama did since Madara was shown riding it. But anyways. Hashirama wouldnt have that much trouble anyways to the fact that Madara doesnt have the Kyuubi here and he doesnt have the EMS. So Hashirama would fight Madara win and come to the aid of Minato who is currently fighting Pein. Then 2 Hokages against Pein would even out the odds greatly. As both of them have awesome techs that can easily attack multiple foes at once.

Anything he does is of use, he is in Akatsuki, they wouldn't just put him in there if can't fight.

Actually they probably would considering he is an excellent tracker. He can watch battles without people knowing he is there, retrieve bodies after battles, and is the best at relaying information. So if I only wanted strong people in my group I would love to have the best information gatherer in the show, even if he isnt even strong at all.

Hashirama.. was Madara's rival. He wouldn't have been his rival if the difference between them was that big.
Plus, we here have the other Akatsuki member on Madara's side. I'm still not saying Hashirama would lose, but he definitely wouldn't be able to fight Pain after fighting his greatest rival teamed up with one of Akatsuki members.

Ok and during their rivalry Madara fought him with the EMS and the Kyuubi and lost.. Miserably. So now that Madara doesnt have the Kyuubi nor the EMS he doesnt stand a chance at all and Hashirama would be able to assist other Hokages in their fights after he is finished slamming Madara's face into a tree.

Kakashi's knowledge of 1000+ jutsus didn't help him when he fell into Itachi's genjutsu.
Ok but that was Kakashi. Not Sarutobi. Kakashi got fatheaded in that fight also. He thought he couldnt be put into Tsukiyomi if he only looked at Itachi with his Sharingan eye. Proves how dumb a mistake that was. But also regular genjutsu wont work on Sarutobi as he can break it fairly easy. Since Jiraiya can do it easily so can Sarutobi because he was Jiraiya's teacher and is known as the professor of jutsu. And since we dont have proof that Sasuke can actually use Tsukiyomi then regular genjutsu wont work. But I give credit that we do know that Sasuke has some sort of powerful Genjutsu from his MS. But so long as Sarutobi knows not to look into his eyes he is fine.

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jutsu then? He more than likely had that and the EMS then. So now that Madara doesnt have EMS this fight between the 2 would be pretty fast. And Hashirama would not be all worn out as you think he would.

Yes, he would. The only way Hashirama won their first fight was with his ability to control Kyuubi. Otherwise, he would have definitely lost, how else could he have beat Kyuubi? No way, it's got the infinite amount of chakra and no living human can fight against that.
He had to use his bloodline, and that wasn't a problem for him. He controlled KYuubi like a pet.


Ok we're talking about 40 or so Jounin to 6 Pein. Ok yes they are weaker but their numbers are great. Minato knows how to take on groups of enemies at once. Pein wont take him down so fast or easy. Pein would win in the long run but not anytime soon in the battle.

Ok. I've never even said he'd win fast.

Its still a picture that summarized that fight. That Madara had better control over it than Hashirama did since Madara was shown riding it. But anyways. Hashirama wouldnt have that much trouble anyways to the fact that Madara doesnt have the Kyuubi here and he doesnt have the EMS. So Hashirama would fight Madara win and come to the aid of Minato who is currently fighting Pein. Then 2 Hokages against Pein would even out the odds greatly. As both of them have awesome techs that can easily attack multiple foes at once.

Then how did Hashirama beat Kyuubi if he didn't use his ability?


Actually they probably would considering he is an excellent tracker. He can watch battles without people knowing he is there, retrieve bodies after battles, and is the best at relaying information. So if I only wanted strong people in my group I would love to have the best information gatherer in the show, even if he isnt even strong at all.


Ok and during their rivalry Madara fought him with the EMS and the Kyuubi and lost.. Miserably. So now that Madara doesnt have the Kyuubi nor the EMS he doesnt stand a chance at all and Hashirama would be able to assist other Hokages in their fights after he is finished slamming Madara's face into a tree.


I explained about Kyuubi above.
And the only difference between EMS and MS is that you don't get blind with EMS.
Itachi fought the following battles in NAruto, used his MS and had no problem with blindness:
-Killing the Uchiha clan
-Kakashi battle
-Sasuke battle(when Sasuke got owned)
-Fight against Naruto and Kakashi
-His blindness started coming in fight against Sasuke, meaning that he fought and won over 5(because killing the Uchiha clan most likely took more than one fight) batles and didn't go blind.
Tobi so far hasn't even once used MS.
And everyone thought he was retarded when he joined Akatsuki, I doubt he had fights we haven't seen.

We come to conclusion that he has can perfectly well control of MS if he doesn't use it much.
AND I'm pretty sure Zetsu can do stuff, but we don't need him here.
You can't doubt that Hashirama would be worn-out after fighting Madara.

And one more thing, Tobi knows Hashirama is stronger, if Zetsu can't anyhow help, he would get other Akatsuki member's help.
For instance, Juugo, or Karin.


k but that was Kakashi. Not Sarutobi. Kakashi got fatheaded in that fight also. He thought he couldnt be put into Tsukiyomi if he only looked at Itachi with his Sharingan eye. Proves how dumb a mistake that was. But also regular genjutsu wont work on Sarutobi as he can break it fairly easy. Since Jiraiya can do it easily so can Sarutobi because he was Jiraiya's teacher and is known as the professor of jutsu. And since we dont have proof that Sasuke can actually use Tsukiyomi then regular genjutsu wont work. But I give credit that we do know that Sasuke has some sort of powerful Genjutsu from his MS. But so long as Sarutobi knows not to look into his eyes he is fine.

Sasuke was trained by Orochimaru who wanted to takeover his body later.
Sasuke learned almost every jutsu Orochimaru knows.
Sarutobi was killed by Orochimaru.
I don't wanna jump to conclusions that Sasuke is stronger than 3rd(although, that's what I believe) but he can hold him off long enough for Pain to arrive.
Not to mention Minato isn't at his 100% because that is his second fight that day.

[vane]

I would just like to add a coment before breaking your post down again that almost every but of what you wrote did not make sense. But I am going to break it down anyways.

Yes, he would. The only way Hashirama won their first fight was with his ability to control Kyuubi. Otherwise, he would have definitely lost, how else could he have beat Kyuubi? No way, it's got the infinite amount of chakra and no living human can fight against that.
He had to use his bloodline, and that wasn't a problem for him. He controlled KYuubi like a pet.

Total assumption. You are spreading around assumptions as facts and that is not fact. Hashirama didnt beat Madara because Madara was using the Kyuubi. On fact that would give Madara the upper hand. But when Hashirama beat Madara the Kyuubi wasnt controlled by Madara anymore and probably did his own thing. But basically what you just said in this part was that the only reason Hashirama won was because he supposedly took control over the Kyuubi when Madara had control and then turned the Kyuubi around and beat Madara. Now that just doesnt make sense. But I will retype what happened.

Madara came to take the title Hokage for himself from Hashirama. Hashirama got pissed (probably said some stuff about Madara's mom) and the 2 fought. madara used the Kyuubi and his EMS abilities. And Hashirama just slapped Madara around anyways. Then after all said and done Hashirama stuck a sword through Madara and it was supposedly over. Hashirama still won regardless. End of point here. So now that Madara has neither he will lose twice as fast and twice as easy. No if's and's or but's about it. Madara loses.

Ok. I've never even said he'd win fast.
I know but the fact still stands that Hashirama would have enough time to go and help Minato out and even up the sides here. So now the fight is just getting started with Pein.

Then how did Hashirama beat Kyuubi if he didn't use his ability?
What the hell are you talking about? Of course Hashirama used his ability. He used his Mokuton. His wood nature manipulation. And he still beat Madara (and probably insulted Madara's mother once he was finished stomping on Madara).

I explained about Kyuubi above.

Actually you didnt. You didnt make any comment on Kyuubi other than Madara got beat by his own pet. Which is false I might add. But if that isnt what you said then it sure sounded that way and you might want to start working on grammer and speech to make your points come across a little better.

And the only difference between EMS and MS is that you don't get blind with EMS.

Actually you are wrong here again. The EMS also gave birth to a new Sharingan tech as it reads in the Manga almost word for word. And also think about it. When you basically fuse something you cant make it back the way it was before. So if you fuse 2 Sharingans basically, you cant seperate them and use just MS because you dont want to use EMS at the moment. Basically what I am saying is that Madara use to have EMS. He fused his MS with his brother MS and had EMS. So now he couldnt use MS now since he already has EMS. But since his EMS is damaged or not there at all he cant use either (until proven otherwise).

Itachi fought the following battles in NAruto, used his MS and had no problem with blindness:

Again another post made that is false. Every time Itachi used MS his eyes went a little more blind each time. That is the rule to using it. Or did you miss that?

-Killing the Uchiha clan

Which Madara helped because Itachi couldnt do it alone.

-Kakashi battle
Because Kakashi got fat headed and thought that the only way he wouldnt be put into Tsukiyomi was if he looked at Itachi with only his own Sharingan. Which was stupid.

-Sasuke battle(when Sasuke got owned)

Sasuke was a kid that was blinded by rage and charged in like a blinded bull not knowing what was going to happen.

-Fight against Naruto and Kakashi
He didnt even use MS here because that wasnt the real Itachi. And that Itachi was only at 30% chakra.

-His blindness started coming in fight against Sasuke, meaning that he fought and won over 5(because killing the Uchiha clan most likely took more than one fight) batles and didn't go blind.

Ok and just to prove you wrong again each time on the above fights he went a little more blind by using the MS. It wasnt just something that randomly happened. He knew it ever since he awakened it and it started affecting his eyesight ever since he achieved it. So your point isnt valid and you did all that typing for nothing.

Tobi so far hasn't even once used MS.

Because he doesnt have MS. He had EMS which he doesnt have now because it is either damaged or just not there.

And everyone thought he was retarded when he joined Akatsuki, I doubt he had fights we haven't seen.

Ok this is a pointless post because we know he helped Itachi kill the clan. We didnt actually see that one. But apparently he might not have had his EMS there either. (But that is an assumption. He might have had it there but we dont know. But we do know he doesnt have it now.)

We come to conclusion that he has can perfectly well
Wow I was barely able to catch what you just said here. It helps to think out what you type then type it. It just sounds to me like you wanted to sound smart here. But let the PWN commence.

We come to conclusion that he has can perfectly well control of MS if he doesn't use it much.
No we come to THE conclusion that Madara doesnt even have MS since he had EMS and somehow lost it or damaged it. So no it is not perfectly well, since he doesnt have it (until proven otherwise).

AND I'm pretty sure Zetsu can do stuff, but we don't need him here.

No we dont because anywhere he goes he is going to get PWNED.

You can't doubt that Hashirama would be worn-out after fighting Madara.

I guess what you wanted to say was "You cant doubt that Hashirama wouldnt be worn-out after fighting Madara". Because what I ouoted above actually says you are agreeing with me that Hashirama wouldnt be to tired to fight another battle. Which he would. Also please stop trying to use big words. You are making yourself sound even worse. Your post's are begining to not make sense anymore. And it started when you started trying to sound smart. So just type and talk the way you do with people in real life.

And one more thing, Tobi knows Hashirama is stronger, if Zetsu can't anyhow help, he would get other Akatsuki member's help.
For instance, Juugo, or Karin.

Juugo or Karin would be enough to stop Hashirama from beating a weakened Madara. Both would just get branch slapped. But we will just go ahead and say it was Juugo and Madara and Juugo now stand a better chance but will still lose. The only thing Juugo has shown to be good at is being powerful.

Sasuke was trained by Orochimaru who wanted to takeover his body later.
Sasuke learned almost every jutsu Orochimaru knows.

Theres your key word "almost".

Sarutobi was killed by Orochimaru.
I don't wanna jump to conclusions that Sasuke is stronger than 3rd(although, that's what I believe) but he can hold
First off Sasuke is not stronger than Orochimaru. Orochimaru is just a freak and was able to avoid having his soul sucked out of him. Also Sasuke is far from capable of defeating Sarutobi. So your whole little point here is just false and not smart at all. Maybe you should read the manga a little better. Because then you would see that Sasuke barely beat a weakened Orochimaru, who in turn barely was able to slip away from Sarutobi taking his soul. So that makes Sarutobi stronger than Sasuke by far.

but he can hold him off long enough for Pain to arrive.

Peins not going to arrive. he is to busy fighting the best Hokages. Hashirama and Minato. Pein has his hands full at the moment.

Not to mention Minato isn't at his 100% because that is his second fight that day.
Again with the pointless post. Minato has only been fighting Pein this entire time. He never fought anyone else. So who his 2 fights are with and where you got that from is beyond me.

But I have just broken down all your points and proved that over half was pointless or just didnt make any sense at all.

[WhiteFang]

Yes, he would. The only way Hashirama won their first fight was with his ability to control Kyuubi. Otherwise, he would have definitely lost, how else could he have beat Kyuubi? No way, it's got the infinite amount of chakra and no living human can fight against that.
He had to use his bloodline, and that wasn't a problem for him. He controlled KYuubi like a pet.
Actually, if you read the manga, the 1st kicked Madara's ass when he was in his prime... EMS and all. And as the current situation stands... Madara has just one 3-tomoe sharingan left... that's all. As vane has already proved in other threads... Madara currently is much much weaker than that. The 1st would own him and still have sufficient chakra left.


Ok. I've never even said he'd win fast.
yeah, and while Minato holds him off for a while.. the 1st will arrive for assistance and then they'll kick Pein's butt.


I explained about Kyuubi above.
And the only difference between EMS and MS is that you don't get blind with EMS.
Invalid. We don't exactly know what the powers of the EMS are.. I'll requote myself:
What's common to all the MS users though, is that they all are going blind gradually. And the process is supposedly hastened by excessive MS use.
The EMS:
The EMS, obtained by taking your brother's eyes prevents the aforementioned blindness. The abilities of EMS are unknown though... whether the user retains his original abilities or gets the abilities of his brother or gains an entirely new set of powers is yet to be shown.

Itachi fought the following battles in NAruto, used his MS and had no problem with blindness:
-Killing the Uchiha clan
-Kakashi battle
-Sasuke battle(when Sasuke got owned)
-Fight against Naruto and Kakashi
-His blindness started coming in fight against Sasuke, meaning that he fought and won over 5(because killing the Uchiha clan most likely took more than one fight) batles and didn't go blind.
Tobi so far hasn't even once used MS.
And everyone thought he was retarded when he joined Akatsuki, I doubt he had fights we haven't seen.
Comparing Itachi in this situation is pointless. And Tobi/Madara is the same person. And as proved above, right now he technically has nothing but one 3-tomoe sharingan eye. No MS or EMS.

We come to conclusion that he has can perfectly well control of MS if he doesn't use it much.
AND I'm pretty sure Zetsu can do stuff, but we don't need him here.
You can't doubt that Hashirama would be worn-out after fighting Madara.

No we don't come to this conclusion.

No Zetsu can't do stuff. As of now he can just stand and watch till he is shown using some techs. Till then we can't assume things. He is versatile as vane pointed out and is probably there in Akatsuki for running errands. High profile criminal organizations generally have specialist spies and that's what Zetsu is till he shows some fighting skills.

The 1st will NOT be exhausted after beating Tobi/Madara.


And one more thing, Tobi knows Hashirama is stronger, if Zetsu can't anyhow help, he would get other Akatsuki member's help.
For instance, Juugo, or Karin.
Oh but Juugo is dealing with Tsunade and Karin has already been killed by Minato. Actually Karin and Konan are really really minor kind of flies... They have no effect in this fight.

Sasuke was trained by Orochimaru who wanted to takeover his body later.
Sasuke learned almost every jutsu Orochimaru knows.
Sarutobi was killed by Orochimaru.
I don't wanna jump to conclusions that Sasuke is stronger than 3rd(although, that's what I believe) but he can hold him off long enough for Pain to arrive.
Not to mention Minato isn't at his 100% because that is his second fight that day.

Wow. Nice conclusion you have here. The only reason Oro won, but still lost his hands... was because he summoned the 1st and 2nd. Sarutobi fought and defeated them together and also took Oro's arms. All this at 69. The third is very very powerful... he would definitely beat Sasuke.
Pein is getting the crap beaten out of him by Minato and the 1st. He can't assist Sasuke.

And Kisame and the 2nd is a tie.

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Here is my point of Madara-Kyuubi-Hashirama stuff that @Vane misunderstood.
Both Hashirama and Madara had control of Kyuubi's chakra on their own ways, now that there is no Kyuubi, Hashirama doesn't have much bigger advantage.

I know but the fact still stands that Hashirama would have enough time to go and help Minato out and even up the sides here. So now the fight is just getting started with Pein.

Now you are spreading assumptions as facts.
You don't know if he would or wouldn't be worn out after fighting Madara.
To me, more logically it seems that he WOULD be.
But hence we can't be sure if Tobi has EMS, if it's weakened, or if he does or doesn't have MS at all - to prevent myself from "throwing assumptions as facts" I'm not going any further on this.


Again another post made that is false. Every time Itachi used MS his eyes went a little more blind each time. That is the rule to using it. Or did you miss that?

No, I didn't miss that. But as long he is able to see at least a little he can fight.



No we come to THE conclusion that Madara doesnt even have MS since he had EMS and somehow lost it or damaged it. So no it is not perfectly well, since he doesnt have it (until proven otherwise).

You don't know if he has or doesn't have MS.


I guess what you wanted to say was "You cant doubt that Hashirama wouldnt be worn-out after fighting Madara". Because what I ouoted above actually says you are agreeing with me that Hashirama wouldnt be to tired to fight another battle. Which he would. Also please stop trying to use big words. You are making yourself sound even worse. Your post's are begining to not make sense anymore. And it started when you started trying to sound smart. So just type and talk the way you do with people in real life.

No, I wanted to say: "You can't doubt that Hashirama would be worn-out after fighting Madara" which means that he would be worn-out and not able to fight anymore.
And I'm not gonna call you stupid, or say that you're trying to act wise like you did to me.


First off Sasuke is not stronger than Orochimaru. Orochimaru is just a freak and was able to avoid having his soul sucked out of him. Also Sasuke is far from capable of defeating Sarutobi. So your whole little point here is just false and not smart at all. Maybe you should read the manga a little better. Because then you would see that Sasuke barely beat a weakened Orochimaru, who in turn barely was able to slip away from Sarutobi taking his soul. So that makes Sarutobi stronger than Sasuke by far.


If you read my previous post better, you would know that I didn't say Sasuke is stronger than Orochimaru.
Although, now with his MS I think is.


Again with the pointless post. Minato has only been fighting Pein this entire time. He never fought anyone else. So who his 2 fights are with and where you got that from is beyond me.

No, Minato had a fight before Pain.
And again I'm not gonna call you stupid and tell you that you should read more carefully.

Wow I was barely able to catch what you just said here. It helps to think out what you type then type it. It just sounds to me like you wanted to sound smart here. But let the PWN commence.

I wasn't.
And I wasn't able to understand what I meant to say there either.
Probably that as long as Tobi doesn't use mangekyousharingan much he won't go blind.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok heres how I would structure the fight

-Suigetsu
-Juugo
-Karin vs Yondaime
-Sasuke


-Kisame vs 2nd Hokage


-Tobi
-Konan vs 1st


-Pain(7) vs third and 5th, and eventually help from Yondaime as he would easily win his fight.

Hokage win every confrentation. 2nd easily beats Kisame at least with his current power (Kishi will make him more powerful now becasue he is going to be one of the last villains.)

[vane]

Now you are spreading assumptions as facts.

Well its not much of an assumption since Hashirama wouldnt have a hard time taking Madara.

You don't know if he would or wouldn't be worn out after fighting Madara.

Well if he got wore out after fighting him the first time when Madara was a LOT stronger. Then now he shouldnt get to tired. because it would be that much easier.

To me, more logically it seems that he WOULD be.

Im not saying it like he wouldnt even break a sweat. But if he beat him before then this time around would be easier as Madara is so much weaker than he was.

But hence we can't be sure if Tobi has EMS, if it's weakened, or if he does or doesn't have MS at all - to prevent myself from "throwing assumptions as facts" I'm not going any further on this.

He doesnt have it. It is said on chapter 364 pages 17 and 18. He says he wants to make things the way they should be. Then says the Sharingans true power. We know that the Sharingans true power is the EMS. And since the EMS is a fusion of the 2 how is he going to use MS. Because it is already fused into EMS (which he either doesnt have or is damaged) instead of MS.

No, I didn't miss that. But as long he is able to see at least a little he can fight.

Ok but that isnt what you said before. You said it never affected him before. But it has.

You don't know if he has or doesn't have MS.

As I stated above. EMS is a fusion of his and his brothers MS. So if it is fused then the chances are that they cant be unfused. But that is more of an assumption and I wont call it as fact. But it makes more sense as to why he hasnt ever showed his lately since he has worn the mask.

And I'm not gonna call you stupid, or say that you're trying to act wise like you did to me.

Im not trying to act wise. But when you started using more complicating sentences your post's stopped making sense. And your grammer started to fail.

If you read my previous post better, you would know that I didn't say Sasuke is stronger than Orochimaru.
Although, now with his MS I think is.

But you still said Sasuke is stronger than Sarutobi in your opinion. Which isnt true. Because Sasuke barely beat a weakened Orochimaru. Who barely escaped getting his soul sealed by Sarutobi. And Sarutobi isnt goin to be beat by Sasuke who has just now achieved his MS and isnt all that experienced with it.

No, Minato had a fight before Pain.
And again I'm not gonna call you stupid and tell you that you should read more carefully.

No actually if you remembered this debate from the begining you would remember that we agreed that Minato would go directly to Pein. Did we not. Now you change your mind and say that he already had a fight before. So you wouldnt even have the right to call me stupid. because you even agreed from the begining that Minato would start fighting Pein. So no Minato wouldnt already be tired or not 100% when fighting Pein because Pein was the first one Minato started with.

I wasn't.
And I wasn't able to understand what I meant to say there either.
Probably that as long as Tobi doesn't use majinsharingan much he won't go blind.
You mean Mangekyou Sharingan? Or the even easier term MS? Or was that a funny you were trying to make? ( In terms so my grammer can not be asked about. Or were you trying to make a joke).

[Smiley]

Well its not much of an assumption since Hashirama wouldnt have a hard time taking Madara.
Well if he got wore out after fighting him the first time when Madara was a LOT stronger. Then now he shouldnt get to tired. because it would be that much easier.
Im not saying it like he wouldnt even break a sweat. But if he beat him before then this time around would be easier as Madara is so much weaker than he was.


And Tobi who knows well that Hashirama is stronger wouldn't have the guts to fight him alone, especially knowing that he is a lot weaker now than he used to be.

He doesnt have it. It is said on chapter 364 pages 17 and 18. He says he wants to make things the way they should be. Then says the Sharingans true power. We know that the Sharingans true power is the EMS. And since the EMS is a fusion of the 2 how is he going to use MS. Because it is already fused into EMS (which he either doesnt have or is damaged) instead of MS.

I was referring to MS, not EMS.
I agree that he doesn't have EMS anymore too.


Im not trying to act wise. But when you started using more complicating sentences your post's stopped making sense. And your grammer started to fail.

But you're trying to make me look like an idiot.
And I saw your great grammar and your way of getting into complicated sentences when you wanted to prevent me from using "big words" in your last post.



But you still said Sasuke is stronger than Sarutobi in your opinion. Which isnt true. Because Sasuke barely beat a weakened Orochimaru. Who barely escaped getting his soul sealed by Sarutobi. And Sarutobi isnt goin to be beat by Sasuke who has just now achieved his MS and isnt all that experienced with it.

Yes, that's what I wrote in a bracket as a side comment, so it's my opinion, and hence I knew you would doubt that, I only stated that he'd be able to hold him off long enough for Pain to arrive.


No actually if you remembered this debate from the begining you would remember that we agreed that Minato would go directly to Pein. Did we not. Now you change your mind and say that he already had a fight before. So you wouldnt even have the right to call me stupid. because you even agreed from the begining that Minato would start fighting Pein. So no Minato wouldnt already be tired or not 100% when fighting Pein because Pein was the first one Minato started with.

WhiteFang in one of his firsts posts said that Yondaime would first fight Karin and Konan.
And I replied that I doubt that they would put the two weakest Akatsuki members against the (possibly) strongest hokage.

And of course I meant mangekyou, and I corrected myself as soon as I re-read my post.

[vane]

And Tobi who knows well that Hashirama is stronger wouldn't have the guts to fight him alone, especially knowing that he is a lot weaker now than he used to be.

So who else would Madara bring to tip the odds in his favor? The only one I could see that would absolutely be able to tip the odds are Sasuke or Pein. Anyone else wouldnt be to great of a help as Hashirama's ability is really good at fighting muliple enemies.

I was referring to MS, not EMS.
I agree that he doesn't have EMS anymore too.

But its the same difference. I know its more of an assumption here on my part. But since Madara had EMS then it kinda seems like he wouldnt have MS anymore because he already has (really had) EMS.

But you're trying to make me look like an idiot.

No I was just reccomending you slow down and type more carefully. Because a lot of what you were posting wasnt making sense.

And I saw your great grammar and your way of getting into complicated sentences when you wanted to prevent me from using "big words" in your last post.

Same as above. I wasnt actually trying to call you stupid. More like your posts wasnt making sense when you started useing more complicating sentences and bigger fancier words.

Yes, that's what I wrote in a bracket as a side comment, so it's my opinion, and hence I knew you would doubt that, I only stated that he'd be able to hold him off long enough for Pain to arrive.

How is Pein going to arrive if he is to busy fighting Minato? Minato isnt going to let Pein run off and join in another fight.

WhiteFang in one of his firsts posts said that Yondaime would first fight Karin and Konan.
And I replied that I doubt that they would put the two weakest Akatsuki members against the (possibly) strongest hokage.

And you agreed that Minato would go straight to Pein after that. Because those 2 would be needed else where (in another fight where they are actually needed).

And of course I meant mangekyou, and I corrected myself as soon as I re-read my post.
I just had to make sure.

[Smiley]

So who else would Madara bring to tip the odds in his favor? The only one I could see that would absolutely be able to tip the odds are Sasuke or Pein. Anyone else wouldnt be to great of a help as Hashirama's ability is really good at fighting muliple enemies.

How do you figure?
Because he beat both Kyuubi and Madara at once?

But its the same difference. I know its more of an assumption here on my part. But since Madara had EMS then it kinda seems like he wouldnt have MS anymore because he already has (really had) EMS.


But he lost his EMS cause he lost his body, and MS can be obtained easily by killing the closest person.
So yeah, he probably does have MS.

No I was just reccomending you slow down and type more carefully. Because a lot of what you were posting wasnt making sense.


It didn't seem like it, you were more like "stop being a smartass when you're actually a moron that fails to use "big fancy words".
But fine, I don't wanna fight about this anymore.

Same as above. I wasnt actually trying to call you stupid. More like your posts wasnt making sense when you started useing more complicating sentences and bigger fancier words.


Same as what I said in my last post.
And I suppose by a fancy word you mean worn? Wow.
And I admit I often make grammar errors in my posts(you sometimes do too, but I never tried to be a wise guy and correct them), but no one ever complained that he had trouble understanding what I meant to say.

How is Pein going to arrive if he is to busy fighting Minato? Minato isnt going to let Pein run off and join in another fight.

'Kay let's say Sasuke isn't stronger than Oro but he is definitely around his level.
His fighting style is very similar to Oro's cause he was trained by him, and Oro vs. Third was a pretty long fight. Would Sasuke hold off Sarutobi long enough for Pain to beat Minato, that's a question.
AND even if Sasuke doesn't beat Sarutobi, you can't say he wouldn't make any damage to him.

And you agreed that Minato would go straight to Pein after that. Because those 2 would be needed else where (in another fight where they are actually needed).

You mean Karin and Konan?

[vane]

How do you figure?
Because he beat both Kyuubi and Madara at once?

I figure because Madara is weaker and would need help to actually even wear Hashirama out. And no I didnt mean because he beat both the Kyuubi and Madara at once. More like Hashirama beat Madara when Madara was 100%. Now Madara is weaker and would need someone like Sasuke or Pein to win this fight. Any other one person will not win this fight because there arent to many Akatsuki members that are even close to being able to compete with Hokages.

But he lost his EMS cause he lost his body, and MS can be obtained easily by killing the closest person.
So yeah, he probably does have MS.
Exactly he lost his EMS. Which means he more than likely doesnt have either. How is he going to obtain it again? He hasnt had anymore friends since before he fought Hashirama. Mostly because Itachi was the only one who knew he was still alive. Which hints that Madara never had contact with any other people (unless he was fighting but even then no one would be left to know he was still alive). So he cant get MS again. And he lost EMS. That is why he is searching for all the Bijuu. To make things the way it is suppose to be His EMS.

It didn't seem like it, you were more like "stop being a smartass when you're actually a moron that fails to use "big fancy words".
But fine, I don't wanna fight about this anymore.

Its not a fight. Its not even a debate. It is pointless argueing. So after these posts I wont comment on them again.

Same as what I said in my last post.
And I suppose by a fancy word you mean worn? Wow.

No not worn. And its not necissarily big words. Its more how you used them. but point is dropped now.

'Kay let's say Sasuke isn't stronger than Oro but he is definitely around his level.
His fighting style is very similar to Oro's cause he was trained by him, and Oro vs. Third was a pretty long fight. Would Sasuke hold off Sarutobi long enough for Pain to beat Minato, that's a question.
AND even if Sasuke doesn't beat Sarutobi, you can't say he wouldn't make any damage to him.

Actually Sasuke doesnt fight like Orochimaru anymore. He doesnt have the snakes anymore. Also he lost Orochimaru's soul that he had kept in himself. So no more snake techs. But also Sasuke wont be able to last in a fight with Sarutobi. Sarutobi was Hokage. He was Hokage for a reason. Also you keep bringing up the point where Orochimaru won the fight with Sarutobi. Really he just got lucky that only his arms were sealed and not his whole soul. Also Orochimaru had to summon the first 2 Hokages to help him fight. So technically Orochimaru cant win in a 1 on 1 fight with Sarutobi, so neither can Sasuke.

You mean Karin and Konan?
Yes I mean Karin and Konan. We agreed early on that they would help someone else who actually needs the help. Pein doesnt need the help. Also having one of those 2 around would prohibit Pein from using some of his more wild techs. Like summoning and having those summons go crazy like he did with Jiraiya. Konan and Karin would get in the way.

[Smiley]

Let's settle the Sarutobi/Sasuke thing.
Why do you think Sasuke can't beat him?
Sarutobi uses fire and earth elements.
Lightning > Earth.
Sasuke can copy any other jutsu Sarutobi uses on him.
He's got MS. We agreed that 3rd wouldn't be stupid enough to look him in the eyes but that's probably not the only technique his MS has.
3rd is old, and doesn't have nearly as much chakra as he once did.
True, he has a lot more battle experience but that's the only advantage I can see.

You convinced me about Tobi/MS/EMS stuff. But this thing is going to be a different story once he re-obtains them.

[vane]

I just dont feel that Sasuke is on a level of that of a Hokage. Also we dont full know what Sasuke's MS can do. We dont know if it was Tsukiyomi that Sasuke used on the guy t oget the info on the last chapter. The genjutsi Sasuke used then seemed to have different effects than what Tsukiyomi has. So like I said about Sasuke's MS. We just dont know what it is fully capable of right now. And with everything else Sasuke has I just dont see him beating a Hokage. I can see him competeing with Sarutobi but not actually beating him. But I agree that when both are done they will be pretty worn out.

And the thing about Tobi/Madara reobtaining his EMS is that he is going for all the Bijuu to get it back. So he has to get the 8th and the 9th. The 9th is sealed in Naruto. So basically he has to get the one sealed in Naruto to get his EMS back or restore it (which ever problem he has with it). So unless they get the Kyuubi out of Naruto I (from what Madara has already said) dont see him getting his EMS back. But on the flip side. Say if he does get it back and we debate on this. Then yes I would agree that Hashirama would have more of a fight on his hands.

[Smiley]

You know how Kyuubi's chakra is split in two halves - Yin and Yang.
Possibly they'll get its Yin chakra?

[Poketto Kunoichi]

You don't know if that would be the fights.
But say that you're right.
It's nine Akatsukis vs. five hokages.
Tobi has already lost to 1st once, I doubt he'd get in the fight alone again. And Kyuubi was in their last fight controlled by both 1st and Madara, so it technically wasn't on anyone's side.
He would have someone on his side, let's say Zetsu.
Okay so it's 1st vs. Zetsu and Tobi
Let's say that 1st would win, even if he does, he would be all out and wouldn't have chakra to get in the fight with Pain.
So, all three of them are out.
2nd vs. Kisame
There was already a topic on this and people agreed that Kisame would win. But fine, let's say that he wouldn't, that he would beat Kisame, he would be tired and wouldn't be able to fight anymore.
3rd vs. Sasuke
How would 3rd beat Mangekyou..?
I'll leave this one for later.
Fourth vs. Karin and Konan - I doubt they'd put the two weakest members in one team. But it doesn't matter, let's say you're right. Fourth beats Karin and Konan.
Now comes 4th's second fight, against Pain.
1st is already out of chakra because of his last fight. He can't fight anymore.
It's 4th(not at 100% hence he already went through one fight) vs. Pain.
Pain wins, repairs his lost bodies and he's at 100% again.
And at the end we have Tsunade vs. Suigetsu and Juugo. Okay, Tsunade wins, I agree on this.

Now let's get back to 3rd vs. Sasuke.
I would say that Sasuke wins this. But okay, if you don't think he wouldn't, since Pain survived the fight with Yondaime he can come at help Sasuke.
And at the end we're left with
Pain and tired Sasuke vs. tired Tsunade.
Pain is the only guy left standing, so Akatsuki wins.

Thank you. :) You win this thread. Because of what you said was able to change my opinion, I agree with you. ^^

[Smiley]

That was just one way of how the fight would go.
It much depends on the opinion who would win this, but almost no one on this thread agreed with me =/

[vane]

You know how Kyuubi's chakra is split in two halves - Yin and Yang.
Possibly they'll get its Yin chakra?

It is impossible to get the Yin chakra. It was sealed with Minato's Shiki Fuujin. Unless someone in Akatsuki has the ability to resurect something like dead chakra then they cant get it. Its sealed away forever.

Thank you. You win this thread. Because of what you said was able to change my opinion, I agree with you. ^^
To bad it takes more than one person to agree with someone to actually win a thread (if there even is such a thing as winning a thread) :confused:

[rush rush]

i dont know but you can be co owner

[vane]

^^ What does this have to do with the thread. Co-owner of what.

[rush rush]

i was joking forget it

[SAM#1]

1st Hokage
2nd Hokage
3rd Hokage
4th Hokage
5th Hokage

vs the Akatsuki

Pain
Konan
Zetsu
Itachi
Kisame
Hidan
Kakuzu
Deidara
Sasori
Tobi (include him if you want)

??

[MinatoNamikaze]

Already made thread but Its a no contest anyway. Hokages are the dtrongest int he world. the hokages would take it without breaking a sweat (almost)

[SAM#1]

Already made thread but Its a no contest anyway. Hokages are the dtrongest int he world. the hokages would take it without breaking a sweat (almost)

Oh right, I didn't see it. Although the question was more 'as we saw them' so for instance when I said the 3rd Hokage I meant when he was as strong as he was when he faced Oro, not when he was at his peak.

I think it would be close to be honest.

[MinatoNamikaze]

well if you do it liek that I still think Hokages woudl take this. If Minato knew pein secret, it wouldnt last very long and he could go help someone else. ANd putting Itahci in there isint really fair cause hes not REALLY an Akatsuki. His MS is very stong and could to a hell of alot of damage.He would easily beat sarutobi at that age.

I would do it liek this:

Deidara, sasori, kisame, and Zetsu vs Yondaime/Minato

Hidan vs 2nd

Konan vs Tsunade

Tobi vs First

Pein vs third

Tsunade woudl easily win, and help the third. Second hokage would also win and help sarutobi, as would Minato and the first. So it would come down to all the hokages vs pein.

[naruwiskers^_^]

i think the hokages would win eventually, but it would be one heck of a fight!
+ not all the hokages would come out alive.
and hardly any of the akatsuki

[MinatoNamikaze]

i think the hokages would win eventually, but it would be one heck of a fight!
+ not all the hokages would come out alive.
and hardly any of the akatsuki

Agreed. it would bethe best possible fight. It would be very intense:D

[KyubiiRage]

hokages wuld win since they got sandaime who beat madara/tobi already so tobi s out.Tsunade takes out konan.Yondaime takes out kakuzu hidan and diedara sarutobi will take out KISAME AND TACHI AND TSUNADE WILL TAKE OUT ZETSU.AND PEIN cant beat all five hokges so hokages wins