Is Jesus the Son of God?

[Islam4all]

One of the fundamental beliefs in Christianity is the literal sonship of Jesus Christ to God. This belief comes from the verse in John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Also in I John 5:1 “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.” these verses clearly state that Jesus is the only begotten, and born Son of God.

Let us look at other verses from the Bible to find out whether Jesus was the only begotten son of God, or that there were more than one. Also let us investigate whether Jesus was the only one born of God. Finally, let us investigate whether the word begotten is to be taken literally.
Was Jesus the only begotten son of God?
In the book of Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.” David, in this verse, is saying that God had told him he was the son of God and God has begotten him. Clearly Jesus is not the only begotten son of God.

Of course, one could say that although Jesus was not the only begotten son of God, he had no human father in contrast to David who had a human father. That is true! Since Jesus had no human father it makes the relationship between him and God a closer one. The question is what about Adam? Adam had no human father nor a human mother, and according to the Bible he too was the son of God. The Bible says, “And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.” (Luke3:23) The Bible goes on to mention the supposed genealogy of Jesus Christ. At the end of this genealogy the Bible comes to Adam, and it says, “Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.” (Luke 3:38). So Adam is also the son of God. According to the assumption: “because Jesus had no human father then he is closer to God than David who had a human father,” we can safely conclude that Adam is better than Jesus because he did not have a human father or mother.

The truth is Jesus and Adam do not differ in God’s sight. They were a mere creation of God. The Holy Quran says in clear terms, “Verily, similitude of Jesus with God is as the similitude of Adam; He created him out of dust then said He unto him BE, and he became.” (Ch 3: Vr 59).
Was Jesus the only born son of God or the only son of God?
The verse in I John 5:1 says, “...Jesus is the Christ is born of God....” This indicates that Jesus was born of God, but was Jesus the only born son of God? Let us look at what the Bible says:

God talking to Moses:

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Exodus 4:23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

Also, God talking about David:

Psalms 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

In both Exodus 4:22-23 and Psalms 89:27 Israel and David, respectively, were regarded as the first born sons of God. This means that Jesus was not the only born son of God. This means that the word “born” does not mean conception. It’s just a form of expression God used to show the closeness of people to Him.

Finally, there were many other people mentioned in the bible as sons of God, and one of them was Solomon:

I Chronicles 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.
I Chronicles 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.

Also, remember that some of these verses are taken from the Old Testament, and that this book was originally written in Hebrew. Had the word born or son meant born or son in a literal sense then the Jews would have been ahead of everyone else in claiming their literal sonship to God, or in claiming the literal sonship of Solomon to God. The Jews know their language, and they know what son means. They know that the word “son” should not be taken literally.

The Quran says in chapter 112 “In the name of God the Beneficent the Merciful. Say: ‘He, God, is ONE (alone). God, the Absolute, He begetteth not, nor is He Begotten, And there is none like unto Him.’” God does not beget, and does not need to beget. He is ONE and only ONE, and nothing is equal to Him.
What does begotten mean?
If Jesus is not the only begotten son of God and not the only born son of God, then what does begotten or born mean? Should the two words be taken literally? The only way we can justify these words is by looking at the Bible again. In I Peter 1:3 the Bible says, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.” The word begotten is also used here. God can beget us unto lively hope. Does the word “begotten” here mean conception? No. It is a form of expression. This word means “gave rise to” or “brought”.

Also in Job 38:28 the Bible says, “Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?” Can the drops of dew be begotten? No. It’s just a form of expression. Rain does not have a father nor are drops of dew begotten in a literal sense.

If we cannot take the word begotten in literal sense with David, the drops of dew, or “us unto a lively hope” then why should we take Jesus as the literal begotten son of God?

Finally, in the book Revelation 1:5 says, “And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.” Why is it that when Jesus is mentioned as being begotten of God it is taken literally, and when he is mentioned that he is begotten from the dead it is not taken literally? The truth is because the word begotten here does not mean any one could be conceived of the dead; it is a form of expression. The same thing with God, He begets not, and this word “begotten” is only a form of expression.
Who was Jesus if not the literal son of God?
According to the Bible in Matthew 21:11 “And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.” This was Jesus. He was a prophet of God. He was sent like other prophets to deliver the message of his ONE and only ONE God (glory be to Him). Also, in Luke 24:19 the Bible says “And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people.”

Jesus was a true messenger of God Almighty. He was sent by Him to deliver His will. The Bible says in John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” These are the true characteristics of a prophet. They do as they are commanded. They are sent to deliver a message, and the only difference between them and other humans is their utmost righteousness, “mighty in deed and word” (Luke 24:19). They are the best of all the people of their time. They are the only ones who could bear and act upon the commandments of God completely and fully. They are loved by God because of that, and their nearness to God comes from that.

The same applies to all other prophets. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, Jonah, Moses, Jesus, Jonas, Muhammad and all the other prophets shared the same qualities. The qualities of those who could withstand all forms of tribulations in God’s name. They all fully abided by what God has commanded them. The Quran says, “Say: (O’ Our Apostle Muhammad!) (unto the People) ‘We believe in God, and what hath been sent down to us, and what hath been sent down to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Tribes, and what was given to Moses, and Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord, we make no difference between any of them, and we unto Him are muslims’” (CH 3: Vr 84). (Note that “what was given to Moses, and Jesus” is not the same as the current Bible written by Paul, John, Luke, Matthew, and so on. Rather they were the true books of Moses and Jesus. These are not to be found today.)

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

i believe jesus is the son of god.....it says so like, EVERYWHERE in the bible...

[Akamaru]

Think of this though who created God.

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

...i unno.....mayb he just.....hhmmm....mayb he just formed as the very first like, God, and created everything...thats a tough question..the bible starts off with god creating the world, but it never says anything about how God came 2 be...thats weird...

[majinsharingan]

I believe that to, but just for the record this isn't a place for spamming religious beliefs all over.

[Tsukiko]

I believe that He is the son of God. His only son whom he sent to save us all.

I dont feel like going into detail, I dont like religious talk, so thats all I'll say and leave.

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

I believe that to, but just for the record this isn't a place for spamming religious beliefs all over.

ur totally rite there, ummm...i think this place is called TalkNaruto.Com...xD i dont realli like 2 spoil great places like this with talk about god and religion...i dont like 2 talk much about that stuff 2 much either

I believe that He is the son of God. His only son whom he sent to save us all.

I dont feel like going into detail, I dont like religious talk, so thats all I'll say and leave.

.....that 2...its like, u believe what you believe...if u think that jesus is the son of god, then u just do, but if u dont then, u dont....thats all there is 2 it

[Xinobi]

I am itching to get into this... Marked for later...

[Ceji]

I believe Jesus is the one and only son of God.

[majinsharingan]

I am itching to get into this... Marked for later...

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Too much Spam and too much religion!
I feel like this is the 24 Hour Jesus/Satan network and I HAVE THAT NETWORK ON MY TV IT IS A SCARY CHANNEL!

[Incendiary]

I believe he is the son of God.

But I think some people might find this thread offensive, and the thread-creater's username, in my opinion, is also a bit abhorrent, don't you think?
I agree with Majin on this one.

[Ido]

Actully were all Gods son and daughters, and we are all brothers and sisters.

And jesus is son of god i believe.

[KaitouSai100]

NO!
I feel like this is the 24 Hour Jesus/Satan network and I HAVE THAT NETWORK ON MY TV IT IS A SCARY CHANNEL!

I've read Jesus/Satan before. It was amazing.
Other than that, there's no reason that we shouldn't have religion in our forum, so long as we are not pushing our religion down on each other.
Really, it's fine to debate. And this is the serious discussion part of the forum, why should we exclude religion when it's great to debate?

(Not for me though, I hardly know the bible, therefore I'll probably be crushed when I try to debate it.)

[Xinobi]

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Too much Spam and too much religion!
I feel like this is the 24 Hour Jesus/Satan network and I HAVE THAT NETWORK ON MY TV IT IS A SCARY CHANNEL!

Matt, I like ya but here is the thing... If you don't like the topic then do not come in and bash it. Stay out if you do not have any positive feedback. Right now you are spamming a topic I am interested in. Back off...

[Deadlocked]

I think Jesus is God reincarnated. Though I know nothing about religion..>_>

[Summer.]

I believe there was one person (call him jesus if you like) who was capable of doing miracles and was some kind of peace-maker. I also believe he was sent here with a good reason. sent by other, almighty force (call him god if you like).

so... I could say I believe in jesus.

[Kiwi]

I believe there was one person (call him jesus if you like) who was capable of doing miracles and was some kind of peace-maker. I also believe he was sent here with a good reason. sent by other, almighty force (call him god if you like).

so... I could say I believe in jesus.

You are right my brother Jesus was actually sent by god ! but he isnt god.. comeon show me one verse where he asks you to worship him? this is all a misconception, Jesus was able to perform miracle only with gods leave, god made him do it ! just like the other messengers i mean they could perform miracles too... As for who created god (ALLAH) and how he existed.... think of it as this way... He just did exist and created us... its pretty simple. You might find it hard to think of it just because we're used to the fact that everything is created... And i just cant get this, how u guys dare to insult god and compare him to a human being... he is nothing like what he created he is far more superior and unimaginable ...

Also.... you will find the term "son" not only used on jesus, its just a term meant to show that the person is a close friend to god almighty, someone special with a special relationship with god almighty... a messenger, or what we call a prophet, someone sent to send god's message to the people... as i said, its all a misconception.. you misunderstood.

Take a look at what my dear brother wrote

"I Chronicles 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever."

"Also, remember that some of these verses are taken from the Old Testament, and that this book was originally written in Hebrew. Had the word born or son meant born or son in a literal sense then the Jews would have been ahead of everyone else in claiming their literal sonship to God, or in claiming the literal sonship of Solomon to God. The Jews know their language, and they know what son means. They know that the word “son” should not be taken literally"

Thank you very much for reading and may ALLAH guide you to the right path, his religion, not a man-made one - -'

[majinsharingan]

Matt, I like ya but here is the thing... If you don't like the topic then do not come in and bash it. Stay out if you do not have any positive feedback. Right now you are spamming a topic I am interested in. Back off...

I'm not bashing it, I'm fine with this one and a few others but he's spamming up the debate central with all the religious debates, some aren't even debates.
And I believe that as well.

[Xinobi]

I wish I had the time to type a very involved post but I do not... I am not going to bash other's beliefs because I believe that the word of God should be discussed happily and openly with like minded people. I will try to pry some time away tonight.

[Kiwi]

Please do :@

[BK-nin]

Jesus's real name is Micheal(no seriously, jesus is his earth name) he is not only God's son but he is a part of God. and he was black:)

[Xinobi]

I do believe Jesus is the Son of God in a literal sense. God had to break things down so humans can understand him and his way. I do not believe Jesus and God are two different people. Before the New Testament days, when people needed God they called him Jehovah. There were different combinations along with that and you can look that up on your own time. You can click on this link and it will have several. Jehovah Titles (http://homepage.idx.com.au/fdowsett/titles.html)
Jesus is the saving name of God. No one has to call Jehovah anymore. We can call Jesus and he is whatever we need at the present time.

If you read in John 1:1 I think it says "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word WAS God."

Let me deviate really fast. The power of life and death is in the power of the tongue. People can tell you that you mean nothing all your life but if you speak it you can be it. You can bodily harm anyone but words can cut deeper than any knife. This is why words are so powerful. God's word is POWERFUL. He spoke creation into existence (if you believe God created everything instead of the big bang and us evolving into what we are today.

John 1:14 "and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us"

People can take that to mean a lot of things. I take it to mean God had to redeem us back to himself so we could just ask forgiveness rather than finding a blood sacrifice to atone for our sins. Read the old testament if this is new to you. Back in the old days people would sacrifice lambs or livestock to atone for the sins they commited. The only perfect sacrifice was God himself. No human could do it. No livestock would be enough. He needed a spotless vessel. He found a virgin who was an up right woman and he leaped into her would and wrapped HIMSELF in flesh to be our sacrifice.

How is this possible? He is GOD... He is omnipresent and Omnipotent and all knowing... When you steal that piece of candy from the convenience store he saw it. When you curse your parents out and storm out of the house he saw it. When you are doing the nasty under the bleachers at school, he saw that too. The only thing is we can ask forgiveness for our sins rather than find a sheep to put on an alter. Forgiveness is not just saying your sorry and then do it again. It is being so sorry that you have no desire to do it again. That is a true sign of having a repentant heart and that you want to live for Jesus. No one is perfect. I slip myself. I do not claim to be religious because I do not believe in it. I believe in the bible and I believe in God. I have a strong belief in God and I am spiritual. I do not bound myself by rules of religion and if I am ever in a Church service I go to a church that is non-denominational and has like-minded or very simular views as my own. I want my family to be free thinkers, not religious drones who can not think for themselves.

I got side tracked...

Is he the son of God? Yes. I agree though with the first guy that it was literal. Jesus is God. When we die, if I was a betting man I would bet we would not see God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit sitting around there. I think we will only see one. He was and still is God in creation, son in redemption of Mankind, the holy spirit that lives INSIDE of us and whispers in our ear when we are thinking of doing wrong or doubting ourselves. God helps us help ourselves, also every so often he does the impossible. My Aunt was diagnosed with Cancer. She should be dead but she at the very last minute made a full recovery. They can find no trace of cancer anywhere and her kidneys are just fine. Luck? Miracle? Call it what you want but I believe God gave that situation a little nudge. I myself have been in a church service and I was troubled and I felt a warm welcoming feeling as the church began to praise God and though my problems didn't go away, when I left the service I believe God gave me grace to get through my storm and I was blessed with twice as more when I came out of my ordeal.

You can also look at it this way. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are 3 titles...
I am a father, I am also a Son, when I die I believe my spirit will live on. But if you say father, many men will look. If you call out Son, many boys will stop playing to see who called. Everyone has a spirit. But if you say Jay, You will get only me (if I am the only Jay there).

It is the same in this situation.

Technically we all are sons and daughters of God. I can say I am the son of God and I would not be lying because he created us and he is the father of us all. Jesus is the son of God because I guess you can say God created his own body and picked out his own name. I think it was literal though because unless you are a god, you can not understand God-like things so he simplifies it. Sadly, mankind still gets it confused and I doubt when it comes to talks about God, mankind will not agree 100%.

[Sports6789]

jesus is son of mary isn't he...

[shikamaru]

but just for the record this isn't a place for spamming religious beliefs all over.



i agree.

[shikamaru]

Jesus's real name is Micheal(no seriously, jesus is his earth name) he is not only God's son but he is a part of God. and he was black:)

i might have to say...this is one of the most out there theroies i have heard in a long while.

[Super Luigi]

I believe that He is the son of God. His only son whom he sent to save us all.

I dont feel like going into detail, I dont like religious talk, so thats all I'll say and leave.

me to

[Tohno Takaki]

ill just say no

[hinata]

there is a japanese mary. and i dont believe jesus is black tho. im a japanese catholic girl. christianity and cathlicism is totally different!

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

True, Catholicism and Christianity are two different religeons. If someone tells you they aren't, they obviously aren't religeous.

Jesus is the son of God, who came to earth as a mortal man, who died on the cross for our sins so that we wouldn't have to live in eternal darkness. (He died for our sins so we wouldn't all go to Hell)


HE WAS NOT BLACK; he was from a Middle Eastern country, so he was obviously had an Arabian look to him. I haven't seen him, lawl, but he is depicted in the bible.

(Joseph and Mary were not black)

[Thomas60]

My opinion is that Jesus existed, and that "Jesus is the son of God" is an unknowable perception to which I both disbelieve and dislike.

In laymens terms; I disbelieve in the supernatural, but choose not to say the word Atheism as our own beliefs are never fully depicted by one religion.

actually i must have spent over an 1 hr just on this post deciding whether I should say more or less... because whatever I seem to say has so much context It would take very long comprehend and then write what I mean.

So Instead, I will say I believe a virtuous life can exist without God, but that scriptures are good guidlines. However the imperfect being that I am, I only try to do what is accepted as much as I want.

[Super Luigi]

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Too much Spam and too much religion!
I feel like this is the 24 Hour Jesus/Satan network and I HAVE THAT NETWORK ON MY TV IT IS A SCARY CHANNEL!

shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People could be getting saved from this by seeing how many people believe in GOD so stop complaining.

[Neji'sEyes]

Thats wat i think

[majinsharingan]

shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People could be getting saved from this by seeing how many people believe in GOD so stop complaining.

No.
People won't get saved by yelling out their beliefs to other people.
That does no good.
If they believe.
They believe.

[Super Luigi]

if u blieve that then u dont believe what the bible says

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

The kid above me is a Christian Missionary on Talk Naruto.
(Not really, but seems like it)

He is just trying to help people on this site, can't you see that? And he wants to stand up for God and say he isn't afraid to be religeous and be a son of Jesus Christ, our savior. So if you can't bear the fact he won't lose a religeous conversation/debate, don't mess with him please. :)

[Super Luigi]

thank u man

[Drums]

I believe religion a load of bullshit.
If u have read the da vinci code.
You will know that Constantine was pagan he jumped on the bandwagon and put togethor stories for the bible
Uhear that a Pagan put ur bible together.
There were also many stories about jesus where he want the son of god most of them in fact.
He just decided to ignore those stories.
Also u might say well this is just from a story.
Well Dan brown did his research before writing his book.
I cant find the book but when i do ill check up on this.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

I read the Davinci Code(good story but not to be taken seriously)
And Yes, Jesus is the son of God.

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

I believe religion a load of bullshit.
If u have read the da vinci code.
You will know that Constantine was pagan he jumped on the bandwagon and put togethor stories for the bible
Uhear that a Pagan put ur bible together.
There were also many stories about jesus where he want the son of god most of them in fact.
He just decided to ignore those stories.
Also u might say well this is just from a story.
Well Dan brown did his research before writing his book.
I cant find the book but when i do ill check up on this.

You're 13, you don't know anything. Don't suppose religeon is bullshit because you are "all knowing", and probably an athiest.

[sharinganuser]

im christan so i dont need to say anything:D

[Soul]

we all have different beliefs. i believe jesus is the son of god. if you dont believe it oh well, to bad. theres nothing you can do to convince us otherwise.

[sharinganuser]

yup.:D

[A-Bomb]

i still don't see how jesus and god are the same person if god is jesus's father

[akatsukigirl300]

I believe He`s the son of God. And that they`re the same person. its just difficult to explain.

Here`s the legendary ice cream comparing thing.

God is
The Father
The Son
The Holy Spirit
And they`re all ONE.

Like Ice cream!

Ice cream is
Strawberry
Chocolate
Vanila

And they`re all in ONE box.

That`s what I believe. <.<

[majinsharingan]

Nice Analogy. :D xDDD God = Neapolitan Ice Cream Now.

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

I love Neopolitan Ice Cream. :p

[sharinganuser]

now dont go off the topic

Topic:yes

[Drums]

i'm gettin confuzzled at thus so i might get told ill go to hell because im an athiest but im not allowed to call religion a load of bullshit.
Also what i said i realise now is just one theory but i like that theory.
It made a good book:D.
And im almost 14 ;].
While im being hated i might as well become a communist too.lol
I've always thought that heaven is communist ill explain after i get i bit of flamage.

[akatsukigirl300]

Nice Analogy. :D xDDD God = Neapolitan Ice Cream Now.

Yeah I know. XD

[kstylegunz]

Yes, definately.

[Konoha's Warrior]

OMG!!! It Say's in the Bible like 1000 Times!!! Yes He Is...LOL

[A-Bomb]

i still have a hard time believing this

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

A lot of people do, but they don't have to, but I DO! he is.

[TheBirthOfMyDemise]

No, Jesus isn't the son of God. Jesus isn't even a deity. He was made a divine being during Constintine II reign. Thus meaning, the Bible was re-writen, all women were damned through Eve and Jesus' wife was made into a whore. They wanted to make him less human and more God-like. He isn't Jehova's son, thus, he isn't a God himself.

[Senwyn]

I'm not a christian. Therefore, my answer will be a great resounding NO.
Whether I am right or not is another matter. So no verbal attacks!!
I don't doubt that he existed though. Apparently there is evidence for his existence. Just none for him being the son of God.

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

No, Jesus isn't the son of God. Jesus isn't even a deity. He was made a divine being during Constintine II reign. Thus meaning, the Bible was re-writen, all women were damned through Eve and Jesus' wife was made into a whore. They wanted to make him less human and more God-like. He isn't Jehova's son, thus, he isn't a God himself.

I respect your opinion, but I still think you are a sad, sad soul.

[kstylegunz]

No, Jesus isn't the son of God. Jesus isn't even a deity. He was made a divine being during Constintine II reign. Thus meaning, the Bible was re-writen, all women were damned through Eve and Jesus' wife was made into a whore. They wanted to make him less human and more God-like. He isn't Jehova's son, thus, he isn't a God himself.

I take stupid answers from stupid idiots like you and if you could take a few deep breaths and smell your own breath, you'd realize that you've spending too much time kissing your mom's ass.
Btw, jesus is son of god if u dont believe go suicide bomb or go race after penny on the floor which i dropped just now

[KaitouSai100]

Well...he does have a point. The Bible was rewritten if Jesus is mentioned in it. Jesus existed after the bible, there's no way his personal name could be included in it if he came after the bible. Unless it only vaguely mentions him w/o a name, then I suppose the connection could be made.

[Xinobi]

I believe Jesus IS God. Why couldn't it be true if God can do supposedly anything. An all powerful deity can put on a body of flesh, live as a man, die for us, then go back to being God without breaking a sweat while STILL being God at the same time. That is just my opinion. I do not believe in Trinity, I think God exist as one doing everything as one.

My name is Jay
I am a father
I am a son
I have a soul
I am all these things but I am one person.


God is the father of all
In how I believe he made himself into a baby and became the (son of God).
He lives inside people who accept him as their savior

In how I believe there is one God.


I am not saying anyone is wrong, I am just sharing my belief. If you think about it, we all are sons and daughters of God. I think Jesus was speaking figuratively sometimes. The bible does that a lot.

I also want to say if you haven't read the warning I put in the parent directory of Global Central then you really should read it, especially if you love to flame people if they do not believe in the same way you do.

[Shikamaru_ShadowNara]

wait i think jesus is either god or he is the son of god

[KingTW]

Personally, I think this question is a bit 2 deep for debate, becuz this clashes with so many beliefs of others. Where as Christians believe Jesus is the son of god, Jewish people don't believe that, but believe that he was a prophet, something along those lines n e ways.

As for my opinion, I really don't know what I believe xD

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

Jews believe he was a prophet, not the son of God. That is why only 144,000 will be saved during the Rapture.

[caseclosedchild(narurakue]

i think he is not and is..

umm can the next poster come to my fan club or the poster above me

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

Lol, I will join. What FC?

[iRob]

yea im with shrike here

anyways he was a prophet to them not the son of God

[KingTW]

Jews believe he was a prophet, not the son of God. That is why only 144,000 will be saved during the Rapture.

that's what I said lol.

This thread contradicts the beliefs of 2 many religions, this is a bit deep of a topic 2 debate on, becuz it could get rly offending to sum1 without a person even trying 2 b

[KaitouSai100]

That's the entire point of debate. Clash. If we could get some evidence going, we could have a full on debate goin'.

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

Read the Bible.

There's your most evidence.

[Chocolate]

It depends, if your Christian you'd most likely believe that Jesus is the son of god. If your Muslim, you'll just believe that he is a very good person that helped people but isnt the son of god. And if your Jewish, you'd most likely wont believe that.
But, im not sure if he is the Son of God or not.

[Senwyn]

Read the Bible.

There's your most evidence.

Well, not really. You have no way of knowing whether the bible is fabricated or not. It could just be ancient propoganda. Same with other holy books.
Of course, that doesn't mean it isn't true. It's just as likely to be true as false.
But there is still the possibility that it is false, as we can't actually check what's in the bible with the events that occured. Unless there are other records. In which case, I'm wrong and you can use the bible as accurate evidence.
It's just that as many editions have been made, there could be mistakes or alterations from the original text. So it'd probably be better to use.. for example.. the dead sea scrolls.
It doesn't matter either way. The important thing is belief.
I've studied four arguments for the existence of god in philosophy and they won't convince me about it. Even though they're logical and well constructed. Because I don't believe in god.

(I'm quite scared I'm going to be flamed now. I'm not saying there is or isn't a god or Jesus or whatever you believe in. Just that the bible on it's own is not the best evidence in the world if you don't believe already.)

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

Okay, I am so sure it was written to mislead. I am sure that over a billion people in the world that believe in Christianity don't just read the bible to be wrong and be mislead.

[majinsharingan]

while i somewhat agree.
The bible was written like when....2000 years ago?
In a language different from ours.
Then it was translated from that language to Latin, Italian, German, French, Spanish, then English.
People could of translated wrong.

[Senwyn]

Okay, I am so sure it was written to mislead. I am sure that over a billion people in the world that believe in Christianity don't just read the bible to be wrong and be mislead.

Billions of people believe in aliens. Does that mean they can't possibly be wrong and mislead?
And of course they don't read the bible to be mislead. They read it because they believe in it. And that's very important. I was just saying that objectively, it isn't the best evidence because it was written by people who do believe in Jesus, so it could be biased. And because there aren't many sources written at the time to compare the bible to, it's very difficult to know if all it's points are correct. Not to mention the first part was written about forty years after Jesus was supposed to have died. So it's entirely possible that it's exaggerated in places. So not the best evidence.
Note I said possible. That doesn't mean I'm right or wrong. Or that the bible is right or wrong. I was just looking at it objectively.

while i somewhat agree.
The bible was written like when....2000 years ago?
In a language different from ours.
Then it was translated from that language to Latin, Italian, German, French, Spanish, then English.
People could of translated wrong.
Exactly.

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

You forgot the fact that King James was one of the first.

That was in english. It was a direct translation.

[Senwyn]

You forgot the fact that King James was one of the first.

That was in english. It was a direct translation.
Good point.
It is still a translation though. I'm pretty sure some mistakes were probably made at some point.

[KaitouSai100]

English has evolved over many many many years. Even if it were translated into english very early on, if we tried to read it today, we wouldn't be able to understand it.

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

Exactly, King James is the hardest version of the Bible to read. Go out and try to read it. It's very complicated.

[majinsharingan]

I haven't read any versions.

[kstylegunz]

It doesn't matter if it's translated wrong it gives the same message, they always make different bibles on purpose

[Senwyn]

It doesn't matter if it's translated wrong it gives the same message, they always make different bibles on purpose
The message is fine. I'm not saying the message is bad. I'm just saying that the bible is not good evidence because there are translation mistakes. That's like saying... bbc is good evidence because even though it said fifty people died (and really five did) the message is still there. Sure people still died so the message is the same. But there's a big difference between five and fifty people. So it can't be taken as reliable evidence. (I seem to like analogies at the moment, sorry!)
Like I said already, it's belief that matters. If you believe and it helps you to believe in Jesus and god then go ahead. If you don't you don't. It's not like we're ever going to be able to prove it while we're alive anyway.

[TheBirthOfMyDemise]

Firstly, for those of you who do not pay attention to words in the first place, I never said I didn't believe in God. I said quite clearly, that I didn't think Jesus was the son of God. There is a clear difference...pay close attention to wording next time yeah. And secondly, it is written clearly in the Bible that man is supposed to question their faith. Believing is one thing, but questioning is another.

Secondly, most of you (and I'm not saying all of you) are unaware that Christianity has only existed for a thousand years. If you don't believe me, put the Bible down and research some religious history on your own.

And thirdly, this Thread is based on opinion, not fact. But if you do read the Bible, do me a favor...take notes and see how many times the Bible contradicts itself. Deconstruct or analyze the Bible like you would a history book...you might not be able to do it; but try it anyways and then we'll talk.

Have fun with it. Its a challenge to increase your own knowledge and wisdom about Christianity.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

lo, I read the bible may times, and I have to say it really does go a little---odd---on some parts.
i still belive that Jesus was the son of good though.:)