Sharingan vs. Byakugan vs. Rinnegan (OFFICIAL THREAD)

[NarutoWooohoooo]

The Three Powerful Eye Techniques in Naruto's World, Which Eye Sight will Win??

Let Me Know your opinion, and why they should win

[Doctor Octogonapus]

...
It's been said.
It's not opinion.
It's Rinnegan

[The8tailed1]

...
It's been said.
It's not opinion.
It's Rinnegan
don't be so mean he just started on this forum and didn't know.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

i wasn't trying to be mean.
I was just rushing through it because I'm balancing, Forum, Work, and School all at the same time and It's kinda hard :)

No disrespect intended NarutoWooooHoooo. xDDD Awesome name btw. xD

[Super Luigi]

...
It's been said.
It's not opinion.
It's Rinnegan

HELL NO sharingan is the best

[Summer.]

HELL NO sharingan is the best

sharingan maybe looks cooler, but it's weaker than rin'negan. pure fact.

[Doctor Octogonapus]

Yep. Agreed.

[Xinobi]

Ok... Devil's advocate here. What can the Rin'negan actually do besides see what the clones can see eliminating blind spots? Hardly more powerful...

[Super Luigi]

I take that back rinnegan is better i just look it up

[Kakashi18]

Ok... Devil's advocate here. What can the Rin'negan actually do besides see what the clones can see eliminating blind spots? Hardly more powerful...

^^I Agree..but then again I don't know exactly what Rinnegan does..but if its just that^^Sharingan's cooler/better/Itachi(which kills all)/kakashi(which can look cooler than you no matter what the circumstance)..so I say sharingan..

[Super Luigi]

^^I Agree..but then again I don't know exactly what Rinnegan does..but if its just that^^Sharingan's cooler/better/Itachi(which kills all)/kakashi(which can look cooler than you no matter what the circumstance)..so I say sharingan..

thats what i thought to but look it up

[Summer.]

Ok... Devil's advocate here. What can the Rin'negan actually do besides see what the clones can see eliminating blind spots? Hardly more powerful...

you think that we already saw everything that rin'negan can do?
I don't think so... otherwise they wouldn't named it 'the most powerful eye techinque' ...

[NarutoWooohoooo]

i wasn't trying to be mean.
I was just rushing through it because I'm balancing, Forum, Work, and School all at the same time and It's kinda hard :)

No disrespect intended NarutoWooooHoooo. xDDD Awesome name btw. xD

Talk you Majinsharingan

[GangstaKage]

I change my mind...Rinnegan would win.Eve though i dont know that much about Rinnegan and what it does I still think it would win.

[Xinobi]

I read up on it and nothing I read told me what the Rin'negan can really do. I mean no one would know because Masashi Kishimoto hasn't really wrote anything about it to my knowledge. All we really know is that Jiraiya said it was the greatest of all eye techniques. There was something about a secret, if Jiraiya found out the secret he would have won. It even says it in the chapter, 383 page 13. What is this secret? His secret identity? In that fight with Jiraiya, Pein really didn't do anything special, just fight with his clones or whatever you call them. I want to see the real power of the Rin'negan. If it is fighting with clones then I guess it is greater because it is really unfair. No blind spots and you have everyone working off of one mind. Maybe we will see this special power further explained when he corner's Naruto and he is forced to complete the Jutsu that the 4th intended (according to Jiraiya in chapter 370 in the middle somewhere). I am willing to accept it because of what Jiraiya said about the Rin'negan, however I am waiting to know WHY it is the greatest...

BTW...

Byakugan 4 Life! Not better but by far my fav...

[Minato]

i agree with Xinobi btw ill stick with Rinnegan & Sharingan.

[Night_Shade]

This is something that I've been arguing with many of my associates. Who will win??? To make it fair, all of the people fighting are the best known of their respective clans. Byakugan will be represented by Hinata's father, Rinnegan obviously represented by Pein, and Sharingan is represented by Madara Uchiha.
:tobi: :hinata: :itachi:

[vane]

I say Rin'negan. If Jiraiya said it then it must be true. I can already tell there are going to be people saying the Byakugan is the best but Jiraiya knows more than most shinobi. He is very experienced with the Sharingan and the Byakugan, and to turn around and say the Rin'negan is the best of the 3. That must mean a lot.

[Uzuki]

All we know about Ring eye is that it lets the user see from multiple perspectives, and that it was the original eye technique.

Sharingan seems to be far more powerful than that.

[vane]

All we know about Ring eye is that it lets the user see from multiple perspectives, and that it was the original eye technique.

Sharingan seems to be far more powerful than that.

Then why would Jiraiya who has been around for 50 sum odd years and who has been around people possesing the sharingan for atleast 40 say that the strongest eye tech is the Rin'negan. The facts are there. Just read them. Its not even much of a debate since it was even said in the series. Like I said Jiraiya the man who has traveled the world and seen almost everything has said it so somewhere in there the Rin'negan has to be far superior to that of the others. The only thing that Jiraiya didnt know was probably the EMS since only one man has achieved it. But even still he might have some knowledge of that since there are a couple people who know who Madara is.

[Super Luigi]

Sharingan fact is if Rinnegan is stonger then sharingan then why aint pein leader of akatsuki

[vane]

Sharingan fact is if Rinnegan is stonger then sharingan then why aint pein leader of akatsuki

Because Madara started it. Madara has been around for over 100 years and started Akatsuki. Then he wants good,strong people to join. He recruits some people takes the strongest one of the bunch and puts him as the unofficial leader.
If that is the case why wasnt Rambo president in the movie Rambo if he is such a bad a$$. Maybe someone else has better plans. Or maybe Pein likes Madara and wanted to be around him. Just because someone is stronger than someone else it doesnt mean they should be leader.

[Muffin]

Sharingan fact is if Rinnegan is stonger then sharingan then why aint pein leader of akatsuki

Pein is the leader. Hence why Tobi/Madara said that as the leader his failure will not be tolerated.

And there's all the stuff Jiraiya said about Rinnegan being the strongest of all the Eye techniques.

[~Nel Tu~]

Rin'negan because it is the most powerful of the three great eye techniques. the eyes grant a higher-frame, high accuracy insight surpassing the Sharingan and gives the user three times the normal human visual range, making it a rival of both the Sharingan and the Byakugan.

[rushballen2]

I agree with Vane

[Night_Shade]

I think that pein has a better chance. tobi/madara has alot of skill but, there is 6 of pein...... unlike shadow clones, all of his bodies are capable of their own techniques....... rinnegan is also wut started tha ninjutsu every1 uses....... byakugan is useless to me, hand 2 hand guy vs mid - long range fighter = butt whup........ sharingan is all around good........

[hyugamaster]

ok im just going from strict info tht i hav gathered from my excessive reading of manga
hiashi is no where near able to even leave a scratch on madara or pein
now from wat i kno
pein takes orders from tobi(madara uchiha)
so i imagine tobi is the stronger of them

[vane]

ok im just going from strict info tht i hav gathered from my excessive reading of manga
hiashi is no where near able to even leave a scratch on madara or pein
now from wat i kno
pein takes orders from tobi(madara uchiha)
so i imagine tobi is the stronger of them

As said before. It doesnt matter who the leader is. Pein follows Madara because his plan helps to further Pein's plan. When Pein and Madara's plan splits at the end. Pein will take his leave of Madara and pursue his own ideas.

[Sakuralover]

well in the end out off all the eyes techniques they all die, cuz naruto surpass them. "it is narutos story after all" but i think rasengan is cooler looking.

[XuchihaXsasukeX]

I agree with Vane..
Pein is only working with madara now for his own benefits..
Pein doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would take orders for no reason w/o benefit to himself in the end

[sHaoLin_ruGby]

getting back on topic... (which i won't)

sharingan and rinnegan are over done !

i mean come on 6 bodies as one being, aLL of them being tougher than akatsuki members

and EMS? power to controL 9 taiLs? that is over done ! both of them are for gankers !

and why is konoha so cooL that it has 2 of the 3 dojutsu's ?

[Deadlocked]

Rin'negan killed Jiraiya. So it wins.

[U_Man]

i dont know i cant chose between the sharingan and the Riniegan

[XuchihaXsasukeX]

We don't know much on the rinnegan except you have different angles while fighting ...from the ACTUAL info we have i'd say Sharingan wins. but it's been said that the Rinnegan is the strongest of the three..
but the drawback of that is the fact that Jiraya doesn't know all there is to know about the Sharingan such as Permanent Mangkyo sharingan

[Uzumaki Naruto 13]

will i dont know that who will win

[vane]

Well the Rin'negan was still regaurded as the strongest dojutsu. It is only known to be possesed by 2 people. The CREATOR of the ninja world and Pein. Where as EMS can be achieved by any Uchiha who has knowledge on it. Currently the only person who has achieved EMS was Madara but as I have said any Uchiha can obtain this, as long as they have a sibling(under the right circumstances).

[mike_perez]

i think the rinnegan is at a disadvantage. who's to say that pein, being the only known representative of the rinnegan, is the all time strongest rinnegan holder?

sucks to be a byakuganite. :D

[vane]

i think the rinnegan is at a disadvantage. who's to say that pein, being the only known representative of the rinnegan, is the all time strongest rinnegan holder?

sucks to be a byakuganite.
What do you mean a disadvantage. Rin'negan actually has the biggest advantage (6 actual bodies that fight with all their own jutsu). Also what do you mean by sucks to be a byakuganite. By the way what is a byakuganite.

[mike_perez]

byakuganite - pardon my use of this word. i got tired of using rinnegan holder/user ot byakugan user/holder or sharingan user/holder. i trust you'll understand. :D

when i said that "i think the rinnegan is at a disadvantage" i meant that the rinnegan, having only pein as the concrete example (the other one we know of, albeit less concrete, is the ninjutsu founder mentioned by jiraiya), is really hard to judge. i think that can't really tell if is the most powerful rinnegan user/holder (rinneganite? i know this word is wrong :P) since he's the only one we know of.

an analogy would be this: imagine if we discover an animal that is the last of its kind. we know absolutely nothing about it. how can we tell if this animal is the typical example of its kind? is it big for its kind or is it small? is its tail larger than usual or smaller? is its color really like that or is this last survivor an albino of its kind? we can't really tell since its the last one.

running through the same vein i think we can't tell if pein is the strongest or weakest of the rinnegan users/holders since we can't compare him to others of his "kind", thus it is my humble opinion that the rinnegan is at a disadvantage when being compared to the byakugan and sharingan, since byakugan and sharingan have quite a few examples and therefore many levels of strength and power. maybe pein's rinnegan is the weakest version, who knows. or maybe it's the most powerful. once again who knows.

i do hope i explained my opinions properly :)

[vane]

running through the same vein i think we can't tell if pein is the strongest or weakest of the rinnegan users/holders since we can't compare him to others of his "kind", thus it is my humble opinion that the rinnegan is at a disadvantage when being compared to the byakugan and sharingan, since byakugan and sharingan have quite a few examples and therefore many levels of strength and power. maybe pein's rinnegan is the weakest version, who knows. or maybe it's the most powerful. once again who knows.

i do hope i explained my opinions properly

You explained well. But the fact that we have already seen Pein in action and have seen a little of what it can do so far surpasses what we have seen the Byakugan do. I wont say surpasses what sharingan can do because of the fact that it has so many levels. But from the abilities we have seen so far it is superior to that of the other 2. I understand what you are getting at with only having one being that posses's it at the moment but Jiraiya who is 50 something years old has encountered both the sharingan and the byakugan and more than likely has his ways of dealing with their abilities. But the Rin'negan is new. Nobody really knows how to counter what the Rin'negan can do. But it was enough to beat Jiraiya, and Jiraiya has already said it was the strongest of the 3.

[Devilking6550]

I can tell ya what the Rinnegan can do. its a rebirth eye jutsu. and those aren't clones. Those are separate bodies that the user has killed or somethin like that. but the user of the rinnegan can see through the eyes of the bodies. Pein has seven other bodies meaning he can be in either on any time. also meaning he has seven rings around his eyes. I think they call the rinnegan the best because you can summon other bodies that arent clones and see through each bodies eyes. also meaning that you can see and attack from any angle. Get it?
Sorry im new to this place but i saw this forum and I've always liked the Rinnegan. Here's my opinion on the ranking of the three grate eyes

Strongest: Rinnegan
Weakest: Byakugan because its the least useful
Coolest: Sharingan for its many stages
my fav: Rinnegan

[vane]

Actually Xinobi. Summer said it all. Rin'Negan is considered the strongest of the three eye's. So that by default makes them better. Makes them the most powerful.

[WhiteFang]

I hate to say it... but this is Rinnegan by default.

[hyuga_fan]

rinnegan because it was the CREATOR of all eye techs

and it gives u power to use ALL the elements

and on top of that i dont think that pein has to kill for his bodies

konan was sitting next to him while he was talking to madara

and then as soon as madara left konan(pein) came out

he might just take there spirit or soul or maybe just there image and place on another body(like the filler episode of naruto when they were "cloned")

[vane]

rinnegan because it was the CREATOR of all eye techs

and it gives u power to use ALL the elements

and on top of that i dont think that pein has to kill for his bodies

konan was sitting next to him while he was talking to madara

and then as soon as madara left konan(pein) came out

he might just take there spirit or soul or maybe just there image and place on another body(like the filler episode of naruto when they were "cloned")

Aaaawwww not again. Konan is not a body of Pein. He doesnt have to tell himself to come on. Had it been a Pein body they share the same mind so he doesnt have to tell himself to come on. Konan was sitting beside Pein the entire time. She never got up and went behind the curtains to chage into a Pein. So no Konanis not a Pein now. She is still Konan. Heck the body didnt even really look like Konan's. It looked younger and had a totally different hair change (not color but style). Also her lip ring was gone. Also the new Pein body is wearing a head band. Konan doesnt wear a head band. Konan has the origami flower in her hair. That is gone also. But the deal is with the headband. Konan is not a path of Pein. I wish people actually understood this.

[Tsugaga]

Rinnegan is the ultimate eye tech.

[FmAkilla]

of course rennegan

[FmAkilla]

of course rennegan

[mangekyou913]

^dude, u double posted

[xhac]

rinnegan is no doubt the strongest dojutsu lol..

[darkninjaIII]

rinnegan is the strongest. but i kinda thinks it ultimately depends on the user, but thats not part of the thread so, rinnegan.

[MinatoNamikaze]

I know rinnegan has been stamped as teh best doujutsu, but to me it seems kind of use less. It only gives the user the ability to use all elements, and see what its other bodies see. The sharingan can track enemy movement, copy moves/jutsus, unleash genjutsu, eveolve, see basic chakra flow and dish out some of the most powerful jutsu in the naruto world. IMO and is obviously not a fact, but I think the sharingan is the strongest/ most handy. I would much rather have a shringan in a battle than a rinnegan personally. :)

[WhiteFang]

^^ I agree with what you say. However, we have not seen the full extent of the Rinnegan's power and it is fact that it is the strongest eye.

[vane]

I know rinnegan has been stamped as teh best doujutsu, but to me it seems kind of use less. It only gives the user the ability to use all elements, and see what its other bodies see. The sharingan can track enemy movement, copy moves/jutsus, unleash genjutsu, eveolve, see basic chakra flow and dish out some of the most powerful jutsu in the naruto world. IMO and is obviously not a fact, but I think the sharingan is the strongest/ most handy. I would much rather have a shringan in a battle than a rinnegan personally.


Why so you can get trashed? Does 6 bodies against 1 Sharingan user not make a difference. Oh you also forgot about the black sword looking things that disrupt chalra flow if pierced through the body. That is a pretty decent thing to have.

But Jiraiya already said Rin'Negan was the strongest eye so it is deemed fact.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/373/02/
Here is the chapter that says it. So regardless they are still the strongest eye's until Kishimoto says they are not.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Why so you can get trashed? Does 6 bodies against 1 Sharingan user not make a difference. Oh you also forgot about the black sword looking things that disrupt chalra flow if pierced through the body. That is a pretty decent thing to have.

But Jiraiya already said Rin'Negan was the strongest eye so it is deemed fact.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/373/02/
Here is the chapter that says it. So regardless they are still the strongest eye's until Kishimoto says they are not.


Oh ya, I already know it is said to be the strongest I was just saying that I would rather have the sahringan because in my eyes (no pun inteneded) it is the most useful. But I thought that sword was just another weapon. I dont think its part of Rinnegan is it? Also we dont know if this is the only case where rinnegan can be transfered to 6 bodies becasue as far as we know the the first ninja only had one body, so maybe its just one of Peins abilites. Its too hard to make an informed decision with the information we have now. Other than the fact that Jiriya and Kishi said it was the strongest.

[rush rush]

Rinnegan is the strongest eye technique

[MinatoNamikaze]

Rinnegan is the strongest eye technique

Ya

[vane]

But I thought that sword was just another weapon. I dont think its part of Rinnegan is it?
The black swords are like the piercings in his face. Also if you remember the chapter where Pein stuck Jiraiya with the black sword thing and his chakra got all dirupted and Peins eyes showed up behind Jiraiya. Meaning that it is some form of Pein.

Also we dont know if this is the only case where rinnegan can be transfered to 6 bodies becasue as far as we know the the first ninja only had one body,
Actually the first ninja was known as the sage of the six paths. So that kinda hints ot us that he had something to do with six paths and since there is six Peins that is kinda the clue saying that the sage of the six paths means six bodies.

And from what we have seen it is fairly powerful. And I believe having 6 bodies all with the same mind and share each others vision is a highly great thing to have. Also being capable of useing all forms of nature manipulation is pretty handy.

[MinatoNamikaze]

True but maybe the "Sage of 6 paths" was just able to use all six while in one body but we will never know so theres no point in even statring a debate :D

[MinatoNamikaze]

I ahve to say althoug it has been stated Rinnegan is the strongest, it is almost impossible to say which one actually is. We have not seen EMS and Rinnegan all out (actually we havent even seen EMS) so we dont tknow their full capabilities.

[Muffin]

Bumping this thread.

Anyone still want to disagree on the Rinnegan's supremacy as the strongest eyes?

[WhiteFang]

I wouldn't.
Anyways, for those who say that the Rinnengan has no techs, I'd like to point out that Pein Rikudou is a tech itself, which managed to completely annihilate Konoha. Beat that.

[Suzuka]

I'd say that the Rinnegan is the strongest of the three. One who has it can use six different bodies that can see through each others eyes. Then they have the ability to use all 6 forms of elemental chakra and any special bloodlines the controlled bodies themselves may have, so the Rinnegan's techniques are nearly boundless in terms of power, visibility, technique, and bloodlines.

Though most ninjas would hate to face any of the three Doujutsu

[vane]

Bumping this thread.

Anyone still want to disagree on the Rinnegan's supremacy as the strongest eyes?
I second this point. The Rin'Negan has more than proved its abilities over recent chapters.

I wouldn't.
Anyways, for those who say that the Rinnengan has no techs, I'd like to point out that Pein Rikudou is a tech itself, which managed to completely annihilate Konoha. Beat that.
Not only that Rin'Negan itself unlocks hella abilities. It doesnt itself have to have techiniques when it has abilities like it has.
All explained here pretty well
I'd say that the Rinnegan is the strongest of the three. One who has it can use six different bodies that can see through each others eyes. Then they have the ability to use all 6 forms of elemental chakra and any special bloodlines the controlled bodies themselves may have, so the Rinnegan's techniques are nearly boundless in terms of power, visibility, technique, and bloodlines.

Though most ninjas would hate to face any of the three Doujutsu
So yeah Sharingan and Byakugan dont seem to stack up to the abilities of Rin'Negan.

[Bushido Brown]

here is a thread that is very good. For those who think the Rin'Negan is limited or weak


http://mangashare.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11271

[MinatoNamikaze]

here is a thread that is very good. For those who think the Rin'Negan is limited or weak


http://mangashare.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11271

Thats just saying wait and see which I agree with. Wait and see the rinnegan at full power and also wait and see the EMS at full power. Then well know for sure

I second this point. The Rin'Negan has more than proved its abilities over recent chapters.

No, PEIN has more than proven his ability. Rinnegan has done nothing for him except in his little battle against naruto as this was the ifrst time pein was all together and fought together. When he was fighting seperatly against everyone, the rinnegan wasnt even used, the pein bodies were just strong

Not only that Rin'Negan itself unlocks hella abilities. It doesnt itself have to have techiniques when it has abilities like it has.
All explained here pretty well

It gives you multiple vantage points, and unknown powerup, and acces to all elements. Thats all. Good but should we list all the thigns MS and EMS can do?? Three of the most powerful techs EVER in one doujutsu for heaven sake!!!

So yeah Sharingan and Byakugan dont seem to stack up to the abilities of Rin'Negan.

Rinnegna has 3 abilities, sharingan has more than 5 all of which are extreemly potent compared to rinnegans. People are making the mistake that Peins power isint the rinnegains, its PEINS. He just works so well because they are connected by the rinnegan.



Anyway, I say we hold off on this debate until we see EMS and rinnegan full power. The well know for sure. What do you say? Cause were just going around in circles now stating the same things

[Bushido Brown]

Thats just saying wait and see which I agree with. Wait and see the rinnegan at full power and also wait and see the EMS at full power. Then well know for sure

I know, people are coming to concludion that Byukugan and Shiringan are stronger, but havent see the full power of the Rin'neggan

[vane]

Thats just saying wait and see which I agree with. Wait and see the rinnegan at full power and also wait and see the EMS at full power. Then well know for sure



No, PEIN has more than proven his ability. Rinnegan has done nothing for him except in his little battle against naruto as this was the ifrst time pein was all together and fought together. When he was fighting seperatly against everyone, the rinnegan wasnt even used, the pein bodies were just strong



It gives you multiple vantage points, and unknown powerup, and acces to all elements. Thats all. Good but should we list all the thigns MS and EMS can do?? Three of the most powerful techs EVER in one doujutsu for heaven sake!!!



Rinnegna has 3 abilities, sharingan has more than 5 all of which are extreemly potent compared to rinnegans. People are making the mistake that Peins power isint the rinnegains, its PEINS. He just works so well because they are connected by the rinnegan.



Anyway, I say we hold off on this debate until we see EMS and rinnegan full power. The well know for sure. What do you say? Cause were just going around in circles now stating the same things

Funny you say that when the Rin'Negan is the cause of all those abilities being able to be used like that :rolleyes: dont forget that if he didnt have the Rin'Negan then he wouldnt have the extra bodies to do that stuff. So yes Rin'Negan has proven itself highly. Having those 6 bodies is an ability of the Rin'Negan, being able to use all elements is an ability of the Rin'Negan, being able to see the chakra barrier around Konoha was a Rin'Negan ability, and more.

Also Rin'Negan has a more success rate. ONe person in he history of all Sharingan has achieved EMS. As EMS is great and all only one can say he achieved that ability. Also it only gives you a couple techniques which I we dont even know what techiniques it can use yet but still has to be around the same power (not saying the same technique) as a MS. All it really is (as explained so far) is a MS that never loses sight from blindness. And MS definetly isnt better because it makes you go blind. So only EMS can come close but I still dont see it as being able to compare with having the ability to control 6 bodies and all the elements and such.

Dont get me wrong EMS gives you more than a few techniques, like enhanced sight and all the other stuff that goes with it (most know what its abilities are so I dont think I have to explain) but they just dont seem to add up to Rin'Negan to me =/\

And I say thats always a good idea. Its always a good idea to find even footing until more facts present themselves.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Funny you say that when the Rin'Negan is the cause of all those abilities being able to be used like that :rolleyes: dont forget that if he didnt have the Rin'Negan then he wouldnt have the extra bodies to do that stuff. So yes Rin'Negan has proven itself highly. Having those 6 bodies is an ability of the Rin'Negan, being able to use all elements is an ability of the Rin'Negan, being able to see the chakra barrier around Konoha was a Rin'Negan ability, and more.

Also Rin'Negan has a more success rate. ONe person in he history of all Sharingan has achieved EMS. As EMS is great and all only one can say he achieved that ability. Also it only gives you a couple techniques which I we dont even know what techiniques it can use yet but still has to be around the same power (not saying the same technique) as a MS. All it really is (as explained so far) is a MS that never loses sight from blindness. And MS definetly isnt better because it makes you go blind. So only EMS can come close but I still dont see it as being able to compare with having the ability to control 6 bodies and all the elements and such.

Yes but it is only because of pein that they have those techs. Rinnegan gives them the ability to use the elemental jutsu but its up to the user to capitalize.

We also dont know if it is the rinnegan or the transmitters that gives pein 6 bodies. It sounded like the originaluser only had one body but who knows, again well have to wait and see.

Think about this, if 9 tails was around and MS controled it, pein would be finished as controling it is one of MS techs

Dont get me wrong EMS gives you more than a few techniques, like enhanced sight and all the other stuff that goes with it (most know what its abilities are so I dont think I have to explain) but they just dont seem to add up to Rin'Negan to me =/\

I guess you could say EMS comes with everything attached while rinnegan gives you the ability to become very strong. In pure destructive force, MS is king because it actually has techs in it.

And I say thats always a good idea. Its always a good idea to find even footing until more facts present themselves.

Ya so i say we stop debating and wait for some more evidence :D :lol:

[Muffin]

Yes but it is only because of pein that they have those techs. Rinnegan gives them the ability to use the elemental jutsu but its up to the user to capitalize.

We also dont know if it is the rinnegan or the transmitters that gives pein 6 bodies. It sounded like the originaluser only had one body but who knows, again well have to wait and see.

Think about this, if 9 tails was around and MS controled it, pein would be finished as controling it is one of MS techs
The reason they're even Pein the first place is because of the Rinnegan...

Of course it's the Rinnegan that gives him the ability to use 6 bodies. Why else would they share vision? Why would they share thoughts? They're all zombies being tugged around by the Rinnegan user.

If the 9 tails was around then Pein would've sealed him away and wouldn't even have to worry about it..


I guess you could say EMS comes with everything attached while rinnegan gives you the ability to become very strong. In pure destructive force, MS is king because it actually has techs in it.
While at the same time out of all the powerful Mangekyo techniques no one with mangekyo has ever crushed two villages the same as Pein did.

[Suicide]

well what sharingan are we talking about kakashi's itachi's or madara's if its kakashi's then the rinnegan will kill both if its itachis then itachi will barely win and if it is madara's no contest madara wins big time.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

One thing about the difference between the Sharingan and Rinnegan.
While on the surface they appear to be about equal.
The Rinnegan has the most Potential IMO.
It allows access to all the chakras
It allows multiple bodies.
Its able to somehow be transferred between bodies
it allows incredible amounts of powers to be used.

The Sharingan also has powerful techs but unlike the Rinegan these come at huge prices.
Sharingan is weak at firts (Two Tomoe)
it takes extreme circumstances to evolve (Three Tomoe)
MS requires something extreme (Killing those closest to you0
MS tech take alot of Chakra and so are extremely limited.
MS leads to blindness.
EMS is unknown.

So while the Sharingan may in fact win in terms of sheer Power and Techs
Rinnegan has none of the extremely harmful side effects and has a much wider range of applications.

[MinatoNamikaze]

The reason they're even Pein the first place is because of the Rinnegan...

Of course it's the Rinnegan that gives him the ability to use 6 bodies. Why else would they share vision? Why would they share thoughts? They're all zombies being tugged around by the Rinnegan user.

If that was true, then why would he need chakra transmiters?? If control multiple bodies was a normal tech of rinnegan it would have a built in method of transmitting chakra

If the 9 tails was around then Pein would've sealed him away and wouldn't even have to worry about it..

Pein cant seal it alone....


While at the same time out of all the powerful Mangekyo techniques no one with mangekyo has ever crushed two villages the same as Pein did.

Theyve never wanted to. Madara was going to until Itachi stoped him with his compromise.

Amatertsu coudl EASILY single handedly take out an entire village as was proven in the ITachi vs sasuke battle. Theres that argument out the window

[Muffin]

If that was true, then why would he need chakra transmiters?? If control multiple bodies was a normal tech of rinnegan it would have a built in method of transmitting chakra
Through the transmitters he transfers his chakra to the bodies and controls them with the Rinnegan. Are you seriously trying to argue the paths of Pein aren't a result of the Rinnegan?


Pein cant seal it alone....
Minato sealed it...Why can't Pein?

Not to mention Hashirama also managed to stop the Kyuubi. So obviously when a shinobi is strong enough they can handle the Kyuubi well enough.

Theyve never wanted to. Madara was going to until Itachi stoped him with his compromise.

Madara wanted to until he got his ass handed to him by Hashirama. What compromise are you even talking about..? The only thing close to anything we know Itachi did to stop Madara was tell him he won't touch Konoha.

Amatertsu coudl EASILY single handedly take out an entire village as was proven in the ITachi vs sasuke battle. Theres that argument out the window

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Itachi used Amaterasu in a village and the village was just fine afterwards.

How was it proven in the Itachi and Sasuke battle it could take out an entire village..? What are they gonna stand there and watch the slow moving black flames incinerate theirs houses and homes and continue to drink tea and play scrabble?

[MinatoNamikaze]

Through the transmitters he transfers his chakra to the bodies and controls them with the Rinnegan. Are you seriously trying to argue the paths of Pein aren't a result of the Rinnegan?

Ya im saying theres a chance it may not be. Why wasnt there 6 bodies when the original shinobi was shown?? Also why cant rinnegan transmit chakra?? If controling 6 bodies was its function, youd think it would be able to transmit it. Without the black chakra transmitters, rinigen is useless. That doesnt seem logical to me

Minato sealed it...Why can't Pein?

Minato used a high level self sacrficing seal that was only known to him and sarutobi. Pein has no such tech. Besides he needs to put kyubi into the statue, he doesnt want to make it disappear....

Not to mention Hashirama also managed to stop the Kyuubi. So obviously when a shinobi is strong enough they can handle the Kyuubi well enough.

Mokuten. He could only do so because he had a kekkei genkai.

Madara wanted to until he got his ass handed to him by Hashirama. What compromise are you even talking about..? The only thing close to anything we know Itachi did to stop Madara was tell him he won't touch Konoha.

Itachi struck a deal with madara to allow him to help Itachi kill the uchiha clan if he left the rest of the village alone. Common are you seriuosly telling me you didnt know about that :blink:


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Itachi used Amaterasu in a village and the village was just fine afterwards.

How was it proven in the Itachi and Sasuke battle it could take out an entire village..? What are they gonna stand there and watch the slow moving black flames incinerate theirs houses and homes and continue to drink tea and play scrabble?

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Here is the REAL amateratsu, the unextinguishable flame's true power http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/394/11/
try and tell me this wouldnt destroy a village v.v And that is from a nearly dead and blind Itachi.

[Muffin]

Ya im saying theres a chance it may not be. Why wasnt there 6 bodies when the original shinobi was shown?? Also why cant rinnegan transmit chakra?? If controling 6 bodies was its function, youd think it would be able to transmit it. Without the black chakra transmitters, rinigen is useless. That doesnt seem logical to me


Rikudou was shown as only one for story purposes. Not to mention he was called sage of the 6 paths, sounds kinda similar to 6 paths of Pein eh?

The eye is literally called the Samsara eye. Which is a directly related to the 6 realms of reincarnation (e.g. God, Demon, hungry ghost, human, animal and hell). That is why the 6 paths are directly related to the Rinnegan because it literally translates to mean Samsara eye. Anymore questions?


Minato used a high level self sacrficing seal that was only known to him and sarutobi. Pein has no such tech. Besides he needs to put kyubi into the statue, he doesnt want to make it disappear....
Pein was able to steal some one's soul by grabbing them on the head and not die. Also there is no way to prove that the Dead demon sealing was a technique Minato created or that only he and Sarutobi knew. It's quite possible the other villages used the same or similar techniques to seal their bijuu's inside their hosts.


Mokuten. He could only do so because he had a kekkei genkai.
And what can't Pein simply use his gravity to throw the kyuubi around or simply kill the Mangekyo user?


Itachi struck a deal with madara to allow him to help Itachi kill the uchiha clan if he left the rest of the village alone. Common are you seriuosly telling me you didnt know about that :blink:
More like completely forgot :facepalm:



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Here is the REAL amateratsu, the unextinguishable flame's true power http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/394/11/
try and tell me this wouldnt destroy a village v.v And that is from a nearly dead and blind Itachi.

It only got that big because it was left to burn without anyone even trying to put it out. Some one could simply seal the Amaterasu once it starts burning just like Jiraiya did. If Amaterasu was enough to wipe out an entire village don't you think Madara would've snuck into konoha after he was kicked out and just burnt the place to the ground?

[Nikushimi]

Rinnegan was stated to be the strongest, but I'm thinking that statement is was either made in ignorance of Mangekyou Sharingan or that Jiraiya was on crack when he said it, because so far Rinnegan has been thoroughly unimpressive. The majority of Pain's power has come from abilities that were completely unrelated to the eyes. The eyes themselves have only given him a broad field of vision, which is insignificant compared to all the hax afforded to users of the Byakugan and the Sharingan. You'd think something as hyped as the Rinnegan would shoot flaming gorillas or create pocket dimensions or some broken shit, but no, it just widens the user's line of sight.

Based on what's been shown so far, I'm inclined to believe that at least Mangekyou Sharingan and Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan are stronger. Or at least, Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan definitely is.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

The majority of Pain's power has come from abilities that were completely unrelated to the eyes. The eyes themselves have only given him a broad field of vision,
Rinnegan does alot more thn expand his line of sight.
Rinnegan allows him to perform any Ninjutsu he wants and allows affinity for any chakra type as well.
there are also other things that are derived from the abilities of the Rinnegan such as allowing multiple bodies and perceptions and simultaneous control of multiple bodies and techniques.

[Nikushimi]

Rinnegan does alot more thn expand his line of sight.
Rinnegan allows him to perform any Ninjutsu he wants and allows affinity for any chakra type as well.
there are also other things that are derived from the abilities of the Rinnegan such as allowing multiple bodies and perceptions and simultaneous control of multiple bodies and techniques.

Right, but...those aren't direct powers of the eyes. The Rinnegan allows him to use any type of Jutsu. It could be a killer S-Rank Jutsu that is extremely powerful, but it could also be a weak little Academy-level Jutsu that does next to nothing. The eyes themselves don't have a power. Byakugan can see for miles and miles and through obstructions, and gives the user a near-360-degree field of vision. Sharingan enhances the perception of motion and allows moves to be copied. Mangekyou Sharingan even has its own techniques, all of which are extremely powerful. The linked eyesight for Rinnegan only works when there's more than one pair. If you had just one Rinnegan user with no techniques fighting just one Byakugan user or just one Sharingan user, both with no techniques as well, the Rinnegan user gets beaten down.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Right, but...those aren't direct powers of the eyes.
Direct derivatives of the eyes which would be impossible without them.
The Rinnegan allows him to use any type of Jutsu. It could be a killer S-Rank Jutsu that is extremely powerful, but it could also be a weak little Academy-level Jutsu that does next to nothing.
I guess but the potential is there for both at equal ease.
The eyes themselves don't have a power. Byakugan can see for miles and miles and through obstructions, and gives the user a near-360-degree field of vision.
However without any further advancements of techniques this is all it can do.
Juukenis like Peins techniques a derivative that is impossible without it but only possible with it.
Sharingan enhances the perception of motion and allows moves to be copied. Mangekyou Sharingan even has its own techniques, all of which are extremely powerful.
howeve both would require a proficiency in chakra manipulation.
The linked eyesight for Rinnegan only works when there's more than one pair. If you had just one Rinnegan user with no techniques fighting just one Byakugan user or just one Sharingan user, both with no techniques as well, the Rinnegan user gets beaten down.
Not necessarily.
Sure the Byakugan user can see but at base that is all it can do (AS juuken is a seperate derived technique of Byakugan).
The only advantage in basic shnobi would be the tracking of the Sharingan.
The Sharinga/Byakugan and Rinnegan all require an extensive set of extra abilities derived from their basic forms or extra skills and abilities (Such as chakra manipulation skills etc) before they become effective.
it is when you take into account these extra derivatives that are possible that the potential of the Rinnegan begins to exceed that of the other Doujutsu.

[MinatoNamikaze]

One thing about the difference between the Sharingan and Rinnegan.
While on the surface they appear to be about equal.
The Rinnegan has the most Potential IMO.
It allows access to all the chakras
It allows multiple bodies.
Its able to somehow be transferred between bodies
it allows incredible amounts of powers to be used.

The Sharingan also has powerful techs but unlike the Rinegan these come at huge prices.
Sharingan is weak at firts (Two Tomoe)
it takes extreme circumstances to evolve (Three Tomoe)
MS requires something extreme (Killing those closest to you0
MS tech take alot of Chakra and so are extremely limited.
MS leads to blindness.
EMS is unknown.

So while the Sharingan may in fact win in terms of sheer Power and Techs
Rinnegan has none of the extremely harmful side effects and has a much wider range of applications.

Thats a fair comparison. Id say MS > Rinnegan however RInnegan doesnt give you the nasty side effects. SO in that aspect in an idividual battle MS>Rinnegan but in the long run Rinnegan>Sharigan. However EMS negates the nasty side effects so EMS>MS=rinnegan

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Thats a fair comparison. Id say MS > Rinnegan however RInnegan doesnt give you the nasty side effects. SO in that aspect in an idividual battle MS>Rinnegan but in the long run Rinnegan>Sharigan. However EMS negates the nasty side effects so EMS>MS=rinnegan

Mostly agreed.
Yes in a one on one fight the rinnegan user would be at a huge disadvantage cos the rinnegans power comes from multiple sources so i agree wholeheartedly.
However as far as we knw the EMS only negates one side effect of the MS (The blindness) so i would say that the Rinegan still has a fair shot at being stronger in terms of potential.

[Nikushimi]

Direct derivatives of the eyes which would be impossible without them.

But the eyes themselves are not powerful, it's a benefit associated with the eyes.

I guess but the potential is there for both at equal ease.

Not really "equal ease"; Rinnegan just makes it possible to use the Jutsu, nothing has been said about it making the Jutsu easier to use or learn.

However without any further advancements of techniques this is all it can do.
Juukenis like Peins techniques a derivative that is impossible without it but only possible with it.

Jyuuken can be performed without Byakugan; it's just chakra injection. The only difference is that it needs Byakugan to see what it is hitting inside of the target. Still, Byakugan itself allows the user to see even the Tenketsu and target them. Where's Pain's super-ultra-hax-weakpoint-finding vision?

howeve both would require a proficiency in chakra manipulation.

Anything requires proficiency in chakra manipulation to some degree. Only this is a Kekkei Genkai we're talking about, it's a natural physical attribute of members of that clan. Sasuke hasn't had any practice and he has shown the ability to use at least Amaterasu (albeit with poor control).

Not necessarily.
Sure the Byakugan user can see but at base that is all it can do (AS juuken is a seperate derived technique of Byakugan).
The only advantage in basic shnobi would be the tracking of the Sharingan.
The Sharinga/Byakugan and Rinnegan all require an extensive set of extra abilities derived from their basic forms or extra skills and abilities (Such as chakra manipulation skills etc) before they become effective.
it is when you take into account these extra derivatives that are possible that the potential of the Rinnegan begins to exceed that of the other Doujutsu.

That's not what I mean, though. I mean, like...if you have one Rinnegan user, fighting one Byakugan user in the forest, the Byakugan user can see the Rinnegan user from miles away, and lay traps in advance, or ambush. Even if they meet on open terrain, the Byakugan user can target weakpoints in the body with physical blows. Without techniques or extra bodies, the Rinnegan user's eyes are worthless. It's even worse when stacked against a Sharingan user, who has the benefit of heightened perception.

[Jackums]

That's not what I mean, though. I mean, like...if you have one Rinnegan user, fighting one Byakugan user in the forest, the Byakugan user can see the Rinnegan user from miles away, and lay traps in advance, or ambush. Even if they meet on open terrain, the Byakugan user can target weakpoints in the body with physical blows. Without techniques or extra bodies, the Rinnegan user's eyes are worthless. It's even worse when stacked against a Sharingan user, who has the benefit of heightened perception.Thats a fair comparison. Id say MS > Rinnegan however RInnegan doesnt give you the nasty side effects. SO in that aspect in an idividual battle MS>Rinnegan but in the long run Rinnegan>Sharigan. However EMS negates the nasty side effects so EMS>MS=rinnegan

I agree with both of the above. I'm going to go with Sharingan. The MS is definately best in short term. But in the long run, it's obviously ~ Rinnegan >>> MS. But if you go as far as to bring EMS into it, it definately stomps the competition. So yeah:
Long Run- Rinnegan
Short Term- MS
Over all- EMS

[duckofdoom99]

Thats a fair comparison. Id say MS > Rinnegan however RInnegan doesnt give you the nasty side effects. SO in that aspect in an idividual battle MS>Rinnegan but in the long run Rinnegan>Sharigan. However EMS negates the nasty side effects so EMS>MS=rinneganBut we don't know anything about EMS techniques. At this point all we know is it gets rid of side effects but nothing ever said you also keep your techniques. We haven't seen any EMS techniques so it is, at the moment, the weakest in terms of what we know it can do. Yes, it has potential, but it is all unknown.

But if you go as far as to bring EMS into it, it definately stomps the competition. So yeah:How would we know this? Have we seen EMS against rinnegan? Have we seen a single EMS technique?....No and no.

At this point rinnegan trumps all with the mastery of all chakra types, the ability to control multiple bodies through one perspective, and transferable eye.

[Jackums]

Wtf are you talking about? o.O

EMS just allows you to constantly use MS techniques like Kamui, Ameterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo without any side effects [like going blind]. Hence the name Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. So far as we know, it doesn't give any new techniques. It's purely a way of preventing side effects and blindness. But Madara apparently used it to "control the kyuubi like a pet". So it's highly likely it's very powerful. I doubt Rinnegan would have the slightest chance of controlling the Ninetailed fox.

[duckofdoom99]

Wtf are you talking about? o.O

EMS just allows you to constantly use MS techniques like Kamui, Ameterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo without any side effects [like going blind]. Hence the name Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. So far as we know, it doesn't give any new techniques. It's purely a way of preventing side effects and blindness. But Madara apparently used it to "control the kyuubi like a pet". So it's highly likely it's very powerful. I doubt Rinnegan would have the slightest chance of controlling the Ninetailed fox.Do you have proof? Nope. We can assume, but can't know for sure. So, until proof all EMS can do is make you not go blind. Not exactly a good eye technique. Sasuke aslo exhibited some control over kyuubi without MS so we don't know that it requires EMS.

[Jackums]

Control. When was this? If you're referring to the time he was "inside" Naruto; He wasn't controlling it in any way. He was merely supressing its chakra. That was in no way even comparible to controlling a fully free nine-tailed fox. And why exactly do you think Sasuke was able to supress the Kyuubi's chakra? It probably wasn't because of his smexiness. Let me think.. Oh yeah. The Sharingan maybe?

[Peinsagod]

Rinnengan by far (yes i read every page and what was said throughly)

because it was said in the manga that Sharingan and Byakugan came from the original Rinnengan which was used by the first shinobi ever to create modern ninjas

We don't know all rinnengans powers but it says it allows the user to learn any and all ninjutsus and (this is just a guess) since the manga says that Byakugan and Sharingan came from the children of people with Rinnengan who had children with those without it i would say that there is a possibility that Rinnrngan could have all Byakugan and Sharingans abilities if used correctly or at a high enough lvl

[Jackums]

So what you just said was a whole history lesson, which is just an assumption. We're looking at the abilities of the three, and what they're capable of. Not where they came from, or how they were made. So all that isn't completely valid. Am I right?

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

But the eyes themselves are not powerful, it's a benefit associated with the eyes.
But it is power of the eyes that make it possible.
No eyes=no power
Not really "equal ease"; Rinnegan just makes it possible to use the Jutsu, nothing has been said about it making the Jutsu easier to use or learn.
jiraiya stated that nagato was able to use the rinnegan to quickly learn any jutsu when he trained him.
So it does seem to make it easier.
Jyuuken can be performed without Byakugan; it's just chakra injection. The only difference is that it needs Byakugan to see what it is hitting inside of the target. Still, Byakugan itself allows the user to see even the Tenketsu and target them.
Basically the difference between a scalpel and a blunt stick. Juuken is pointless without Byakugan
Where's Pain's super-ultra-hax-weakpoint-finding vision?
his is more Weakpoint eliminating by allowing multiple vision perspectives.
Anything requires proficiency in chakra manipulation to some degree. Only this is a Kekkei Genkai we're talking about, it's a natural physical attribute of members of that clan. Sasuke hasn't had any practice and he has shown the ability to use at least Amaterasu (albeit with poor control).
True but at their Base without any idea of chakra control they are about equal
That's not what I mean, though. I mean, like...if you have one Rinnegan user, fighting one Byakugan user in the forest, the Byakugan user can see the Rinnegan user from miles away, and lay traps in advance, or ambush. Even if they meet on open terrain, the Byakugan user can target weakpoints in the body with physical blows. Without techniques or extra bodies, the Rinnegan user's eyes are worthless. It's even worse when stacked against a Sharingan user, who has the benefit of heightened perception.
This is true.
But then that is why I say potential.
Because as Nagato showed there won't necessarily be 1 Rinnegan user fighting but several or as many as half a dozen.
this is where the potential of the rinnegan begins to shine through.
multiple bodies.
Multiple benefits.
multiple strengths.
That is the power of the Rinnegan.

Kinda the difference between putting all your eggs in one or multiple baskets.

[Nikushimi]

But it is power of the eyes that make it possible.
No eyes=no power

But it's not the power of the eyes themselves.

jiraiya stated that nagato was able to use the rinnegan to quickly learn any jutsu when he trained him.
So it does seem to make it easier.

He never said it was because of Rinnegan. He just said Nagato mastered every technique he was taught.

Basically the difference between a scalpel and a blunt stick. Juuken is pointless without Byakugan

Not really. It still attacks the inside, only the user is basically fighting blind.

his is more Weakpoint eliminating by allowing multiple vision perspectives.

That's only if he has multiple bodies.

True but at their Base without any idea of chakra control they are about equal

Who is equal?

This is true.
But then that is why I say potential.
Because as Nagato showed there won't necessarily be 1 Rinnegan user fighting but several or as many as half a dozen.
this is where the potential of the rinnegan begins to shine through.
multiple bodies.
Multiple benefits.
multiple strengths.
That is the power of the Rinnegan.

But, that's not the Rinnegan's power, that's Nagato's power. The bodies just all happen to have Rinnegan.

Kinda the difference between putting all your eggs in one or multiple baskets.

But, Rinnegan is like the basket; no eggs, no luck.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

But it's not the power of the eyes themselves.
But that is the same for all of the Kekkei Genkai. None have a power in and of themselves (Except perhaps tracking by the Sharingan).
The power of the kekkei Genkai comes from what they let the user do.
He never said it was because of Rinnegan. He just said Nagato mastered every technique he was taught.
Jiraiya said
"As a kid the eyes of the "sage of the six paths" enabled him to master every technique I taught him"
"But on top of that, they led him to do something wholly unprecedented in the Shinobi world- Master the use of all six types of chakra manipulation completely by himself"
(Note this varies by translations and others say that he was able to learn anything Jiraya taught him and use them proficiently by the age of Ten but all mention the eyes of the "Sage of the Six Paths" as one of the reasons why this is possible)
Not really. It still attacks the inside, only the user is basically fighting blind.
like I said before with the scalpel and blunt stick.
Scapel provides precision
Stick just randomly hits
That's only if he has multiple bodies.
Which is the potential of the rinnegan
But, that's not the Rinnegan's power, that's Nagato's power. The bodies just all happen to have Rinnegan.
Thats the point.
the Rinnegans Potential is in the multiple bodies.
The Rinnegan was made for Multiple bodies.
That is the Rinnegans strength (Among others)
In a way the you need to move past the idea if comparing Rinnegan as a one on one fight between doujutsu users.
Rinnegan is a 1vs 6 fight and that is the Rinnegans strength.
But, Rinnegan is like the basket; no eggs, no luck.
?????
Rinnegan is like 6 baskets each with one egg.
Different bodies
Different Powers (From what we have seen of Pein who specializes bodies)
Sharingan is everything in one basket.

Rinnegan loses one body- no big loss
Sharingan loses one bodie- Its all over.

[MinatoNamikaze]

But that is the same for all of the Kekkei Genkai. None have a power in and of themselves (Except perhaps tracking by the Sharingan).
The power of the kekkei Genkai comes from what they let the user do.

Amateratsu, tsukiyomi, sasuno.......

Jiraiya said
"As a kid the eyes of the "sage of the six paths" enabled him to master every technique I taught him"
"But on top of that, they led him to do something wholly unprecedented in the Shinobi world- Master the use of all six types of chakra manipulation completely by himself"
(Note this varies by translations and others say that he was able to learn anything Jiraya taught him and use them proficiently by the age of Ten but all mention the eyes of the "Sage of the Six Paths" as one of the reasons why this is possible)

My interpretation is that it allowed him to learn them all cause he could use all the elements


Which is the potential of the rinnegan

Thats the point.
the Rinnegans Potential is in the multiple bodies.
The Rinnegan was made for Multiple bodies.
That is the Rinnegans strength (Among others)
In a way the you need to move past the idea if comparing Rinnegan as a one on one fight between doujutsu users.
Rinnegan is a 1vs 6 fight and that is the Rinnegans strength.

true but whats the difference between that and narutos bushins??? The only one is that they share visions

[duckofdoom99]

Control. When was this? If you're referring to the time he was "inside" Naruto; He wasn't controlling it in any way. He was merely supressing its chakra. That was in no way even comparible to controlling a fully free nine-tailed fox. And why exactly do you think Sasuke was able to supress the Kyuubi's chakra? It probably wasn't because of his smexiness. Let me think.. Oh yeah. The Sharingan maybe?I know it was sharingan. Did you read what I said? I said even without EMS he can supress, supress is a form of control. So it is unclear whether EMS is a requirement to control the kyuubi.

Amateratsu, tsukiyomi, sasuno.......All techniques. Not the eye themselves. They are techniques the same as multiple body control.

true but whats the difference between that and narutos bushins??? The only one is that they share visionsThey share vision and they aren't the same as each other. Naruto's bunshins are all the same. His bodies are different and each one specializes in a different area which can't be done with bunshins.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Amateratsu, tsukiyomi, sasuno.......
All derived from the base effects of the Sharingan and requie something beyond the sharingans base use.

My interpretation is that it allowed him to learn them all cause he could use all the elements
He was able to learn and be proficient in it at age Ten.
All jutsu
All Chakras
All attributed to the "Eyes of the Sage of the Six Paths"

true but whats the difference between that and narutos bushins??? The only one is that they share visions
Rinnegan bodies have more co-ordination, control and are more then just say five individuals like clones are.

[Jackums]

I know it was sharingan. Did you read what I said? I said even without EMS he can supress, supress is a form of control. So it is unclear whether EMS is a requirement to control the kyuubi.

You're just proving my point even further. But no. Supress is nothing like control. Look it up in a dictionary. Supressing the chakra is completely different than controlling it.

+ Even without EMS or even MS, Sasuke was able to supress the Kyuubi's chakra. This displays the power of the Sharingan. And like I said, it would take a hell of alot of power to control a fully free Kyuubi. Which Madara apparently did. But we haven't yet received proof of this. So it remains speculated. And in conclusion, this is why i say Sharingan >>> Rinnegan.

[MinatoNamikaze]

All derived from the base effects of the Sharingan and requie something beyond the sharingans base use.

Yes..... and? Were not just argueing sharingan with 1 tomoe. All the sharigan reg up to EMS

He was able to learn and be proficient in it at age Ten.
All jutsu
All Chakras
All attributed to the "Eyes of the Sage of the Six Paths"

Yes

Rinnegan bodies have more co-ordination, control and are more then just say five individuals like clones are.

Yes they let you coordinate and see multiple POV. Clones are just a little less valuable

[Muffin]

Yes..... and? Were not just argueing sharingan with 1 tomoe. All the sharigan reg up to EMS
I would consider Sharingan much easier to claim than Rinnegan considering only 2 people in the history of the Narutoverse have gotten it.




Yes they let you coordinate and see multiple POV. Clones are just a little less valuable

Lol wut?

Clones die after being smacked once. Pein's bodies have better teamwork, better abilities and are monstrously powerful.

Lol @ comparing them to clones.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Yes..... and? Were not just argueing sharingan with 1 tomoe. All the sharigan reg up to EMS
My answer was in response to the fact that none of the eyes have "Power in and of themselves" (except perhaps the Tracking of the Sharingan) and that the power of all doujutsu comes from the thing they allow the user to do (Such as Tsukyomi, Juuken, Multiple bodies)
And it is here that the Rinnegan excels and stands above the other two in terms of potential
Yes they let you coordinate and see multiple POV. Clones are just a little less valuable
Clones are individuals, Peins bodies are a cohesive fighting unit.

[MinatoNamikaze]

My answer was in response to the fact that none of the eyes have "Power in and of themselves" (except perhaps the Tracking of the Sharingan) and that the power of all doujutsu comes from the thing they allow the user to do (Such as Tsukyomi, Juuken, Multiple bodies)
And it is here that the Rinnegan excels and stands above the other two in terms of potential

Yes but tracking with sharingan, 360 view of byakugan and viewing all vantage points and acces to all elements are all added abilities that dont physically help with offence (in the sense you cant directly hurt them with it). Sharingan however unlike the other 2 actually has jutsu (amateratsu, tsukiyomi, and sasuno) all of which are among the strongest ever and will kill anyone with one touch or eye contact. That was what i was getting at. Rinnegan and byakugan cant kill you but sharingan sure as all hell can.

I would consider Sharingan much easier to claim than Rinnegan considering only 2 people in the history of the Narutoverse have gotten it.

?? What are you talking about?? Claiming the sharingan :blink:

Lol wut?

Clones die after being smacked once. Pein's bodies have better teamwork, better abilities and are monstrously powerful.

Lol @ comparing them to clones.

Well the pein bodies are obvi more valuable but they are actually quite similar. The clones are just weaker and dont share vantage points but can share info when destroyed

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Yes but tracking with sharingan, 360 view of byakugan and viewing all vantage points and acces to all elements are all added abilities that dont physically help with offence (in the sense you cant directly hurt them with it). Sharingan however unlike the other 2 actually has jutsu (amateratsu, tsukiyomi, and sasuno) all of which are among the strongest ever and will kill anyone with one touch or eye contact. That was what i was getting at. Rinnegan and byakugan cant kill you but sharingan sure as all hell can.
Ok we are talking two different things here. (I get what ur saying as well)
However the eyes on their own have no power.
The power all stems from the user
Their strength stems from their users ability to manipulate these advantages.
The Rinnigan IMO is stronger in that it allows the user to do so much more then the other Doujutsu.
It's got a much wider range and less limits and drawbacks.
Sure Sharingan gives you some superjutsu but at an extremely High cost.
Rinnegan doesn't suffer the same enormous drawbacks at times.
?? What are you talking about?? Claiming the sharingan :blink:
I think she meant the claim that Sharingan is strongest
Well the pein bodies are obvi more valuable but they are actually quite similar. The clones are just weaker and dont share vantage points but can share info when destroyed
Theres the kicker.
When destroyed and as far as we know that only goes for Shadowclones.
All other clones are just pale copied individuals

[MinatoNamikaze]

Ok we are talking two different things here. (I get what ur saying as well)
However the eyes on their own have no power.
The power all stems from the user
Their strength stems from their users ability to manipulate these advantages.
The Rinnigan IMO is stronger in that it allows the user to do so much more then the other Doujutsu.
It's got a much wider range and less limits and drawbacks.
Sure Sharingan gives you some superjutsu but at an extremely High cost.
Rinnegan doesn't suffer the same enormous drawbacks at times.

Ok i see what youre saying. I think that in the long run rinnegan is better because it wont make you blind and doesnt have side effects that are confirmed, however look at nagato..... i dont think he would normally be that physically deformed but thats for another thread. Anyway, id say MS is better in a sinlge battle type scenario but not too good in the long run cause of its drawbacks as you mentioned. HOWEVER EMS based on the info we have on it, doesnt have those negatives so technically it has all the MS power and some, and without any drawbacks as far as we know

I think she meant the claim that Sharingan is strongest

lol ya i think so to, im just asking for clarification :lol:

Theres the kicker.
When destroyed and as far as we know that only goes for Shadowclones.
All other clones are just pale copied individuals

Ya i was just pointing out similarities :D

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Ok i see what youre saying. I think that in the long run rinnegan is better because it wont make you blind and doesnt have side effects that are confirmed, however look at nagato..... i dont think he would normally be that physically deformed but thats for another thread. Anyway, id say MS is better in a sinlge battle type scenario but not too good in the long run cause of its drawbacks as you mentioned. HOWEVER EMS based on the info we have on it, doesnt have those negatives so technically it has all the MS power and some, and without any drawbacks as far as we know


Well until we find out about EMS apart from vague hints and references the Rinnegan is still the top IMO.
As for Nagato lots of that deformity looks like it was done willingly.

[MinatoNamikaze]

Well until we find out about EMS apart from vague hints and references the Rinnegan is still the top IMO.
As for Nagato lots of that deformity looks like it was done willingly.

Ok but we can verify that EMS negates the blindness. Theres a 90% chance it does more but i wont get into that cause ill gt my head blown off in a debate going in based soley on speculation, especially by someone as good as yourself.

As for it being willingly, idk the rods yes, but the whole caseing thing is a mystery which will be solved very soon anyway dso theres no point in debating:lol:

[Smiley]

Regarding Jiraiya stating Rin'negan is the most powerful of the doujutsu.

I noticed that your translation changed from "revered" to "venerated" to "illustrious" now. Hisshouburaiken translated it as "most powerful". Could you give some clarification on the line?
Yes: it does not say most powerful. 崇高, the term used, means ... well, "of a dignified nature, worthy of admiration." So revered, venerable and illustrious were my attempts to get it just right. Illustrious, defined as "brilliantly outstanding because of dignity," seemed best to me, in the end.


Source:
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=561007#post561007

[MinatoNamikaze]

Also the argument that says that if the sharingan user is attacked from behind they are skrewed is nullified by this http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/02/

No look snipe by Itachi. I think what they mean by attacking from behind is that the sharingan cant see there but the user is still capable of defending themself like any other ninja.

This point deasnt really fit here like it would in an Itachi debate but it relates to sharingan in a way

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Regarding Jiraiya stating Rin'negan is the most powerful of the doujutsu.
Source:
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=561007#post561007
Interesting.
however as I've posted just recently
"Translation is an art not a science."
In this case lets look at those Kanji 崇高
Various translators give
-Sublimex2
-Supreme
-noble
-dignified
-respect
-revere
-worship
-honor
Different translators will interpret in different ways and come up with different meanings at times.

Also the argument that says that if the sharingan user is attacked from behind they are skrewed is nullified by this
not really.
A clumsy attack that was foiled doesn't mean anything.
If you took say Sage mode Naruto who is moving even faster with better attack that probably would have been alot more effective.
In the end the Sharingan can only track what it can see making attacks from behind very useful.

[Masterofdeath]

The rinnegan is powerful, but I personally believe that each technique can be unbeatable if used in the right way by the right person.

[vane]

The rinnegan is powerful, but I personally believe that each technique can be unbeatable if used in the right way by the right person.

Im a little confused of what you mean here. Do you mean each technique of the Rin'Negan? If so then I dont understand the unbeatable part. Just trying to see what your getting at is all.

And I agree with Adam here. The whole bit about attacking sharingan from behind is skrewed is still correct. Like Adam said the Sharingan can only track what is in its sight. If an attack comes from behind and the Sharingan didnt see it to begin with then he wont know its coming. Now there is still basic instinct though. Like hearing it when it happens. So the Sharingan user doesnt see it but sometimes knows its coming from hearing it or just the sense and sometimes may be fast enough to react in time.

[Masterofdeath]

No, sorry I mean each doujutsu is unbeatable if used in the rignt way.

[Peinsagod]

Also the argument that says that if the sharingan user is attacked from behind they are skrewed is nullified by this http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/02/

No look snipe by Itachi. I think what they mean by attacking from behind is that the sharingan cant see there but the user is still capable of defending themself like any other ninja.

This point deasnt really fit here like it would in an Itachi debate but it relates to sharingan in a way

sry not trying to be mean but this is a fail because the very next page says he already had naruto in a genjutsu so he knew eveything that was going on the whole time.

hehe :turtle: ur a good debater :hug:

[SunnyWave]

I would say the Rinnegan is stronger, since it created Ninjutsu and everything. But in the end I'll rather prefer the sharingan.

[MinatoNamikaze]

sry not trying to be mean but this is a fail because the very next page says he already had naruto in a genjutsu so he knew eveything that was going on the whole time.

hehe :turtle: ur a good debater :hug:

lol good call. It was a weak argument anyway :lol: A counter argument would be that Itachi put him into genjtusu after that but its really irrelevant to this debate cause its well known that sharingan's weakness is an attack from behind. It comes down to the individual whenther or not tha attack can be avoided

[Smiley]

sry not trying to be mean but this is a fail because the very next page says he already had naruto in a genjutsu so he knew eveything that was going on the whole time.

hehe :turtle: ur a good debater :hug:

That wasn't genjutsu. This is the point where genjutsu started. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/05/)

Itachi has been shown somehow sensing people standing behind him on several other occasions as well.

[MinatoNamikaze]

That wasn't genjutsu. This is the point where genjutsu started. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/05/)

Itachi has been shown somehow sensing people standing behind him on several other occasions as well.

Ya thats what i was thinking too but i didnt know if that was just me. :lol:

[Muffin]

Also the argument that says that if the sharingan user is attacked from behind they are skrewed is nullified by this http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/366/02/

No look snipe by Itachi. I think what they mean by attacking from behind is that the sharingan cant see there but the user is still capable of defending themself like any other ninja.

This point deasnt really fit here like it would in an Itachi debate but it relates to sharingan in a way

That has nothing to do with the sharingan. That could simply be attributed to Naruto's lack of sneaking and Itachi's skill.

[MinatoNamikaze]

That has nothing to do with the sharingan. That could simply be attributed to Naruto's lack of sneaking and Itachi's skill.

lol ya thats what i said at the end of the post i think. :lol: