Classic Akatsuki Battle Royale (OFFICIAL THREAD) [Archive]

0ba

11-03-2008, 09:00 PM

Sasori easily got beated up by a kid and an old women, so I have to go with vane's post.Naw, he wasn't easily beaten. Sakura had an antidote for the poison after healing Kankuro. Chiyo taught him how to use puppets, and knew Hiruko and his other puppets and also knew about his weak spot and had chakra shields. None of the Akatsuki would have such knowledge about Sasori, he NEVER even leaves his Hiruko puppet. At most, Deidara would know that Hiruko has a poisoned tail. :S
He used the 1000 puppets to conquer a nation, the Iron sand can move very fast, and once he created a dome-like thingy around you, it can't be escaped, and every single attack is dripping with poison.

Sasori has an instant advantage over Itachi, he doesn't have the 5 senses, he can't feel as he said, neither does he have a brain, so, that cancels out genjutsu. One hit and Itachi's dead. Hidan is a pushover. I doubt he'd be able to revive himself when he's poisoned. And it makes you weak, so he could be easily killed after, have his head chopped off. Kakuzu might be troublesome, having 5 lives, but still, it wouldn't take too long before he'd killed with the iron sand. Kisame might be a chakra beast, but well, poison does that to you, and since it's a free for all, he only seems very good individually, the same problem Itachi has. Now, Deidara might make this all a tie or take away an easy win, but Sasori's puppets can fly as high as Deidara's bird can, but Deidara could end it all with his suicide blast, but we haven't seen how effective his mini-bombs are, since Sasuke neutralized them, but he has the potential to make this a tie (where everybody dies) or he drops a suicide clone and fly very high and win. And he could probably blow away the iron sand too. Konan can't fight when she's wet. (In more ways than one. :xd: )
And with Kisame here, she has a very low chance of winning. Pein could be poisoned by Sasori's 1000 puppets or iron sand, don't see him surviving, or doing much to counter it.
But touching Tobi's the hard part. And if he's got any good attacks, he could take this, since with his sharingan, he can see Sasori's weak spot, and not be hit by the iron sand with his time/space jutsu.
And Zetsu? :blink:
I still think Sasori or Tobi would win.

Jackums

11-03-2008, 09:26 PM

That's seriously flawed logic man.
Chiyo and Sakura had knowledge of Sasori's poisons and had preparation time, and still were perfect opponents with an advantage over Sasori's techniques (Chiyo's experience with puppets, Sakura's antidote).
On top of all, they would have lost had Sasori not let them win.
Sasori is not the strongest Akatsuki member, but he is definitely in top 5.

As for the topic I would definitely say Madara because as the guy who founded Akatsuki and the most apparent final villain he has to be the strongest among all other villains, thus Akatsuki members.

Agreed.

Naw, he wasn't easily beaten. Sakura had an antidote for the poison after healing Kankuro. Chiyo taught him how to use puppets, and knew Hiruko and his other puppets and also knew about his weak spot and had chakra shields. None of the Akatsuki would have such knowledge about Sasori, he NEVER even leaves his Hiruko puppet. At most, Deidara would know that Hiruko has a poisoned tail. :S
He used the 1000 puppets to conquer a nation, the Iron sand can move very fast, and once he created a dome-like thingy around you, it can't be escaped, and every single attack is dripping with poison.

Sasori has an instant advantage over Itachi, he doesn't have the 5 senses, he can't feel as he said, neither does he have a brain, so, that cancels out genjutsu. One hit and Itachi's dead. Hidan is a pushover. I doubt he'd be able to revive himself when he's poisoned. And it makes you weak, so he could be easily killed after, have his head chopped off. Kakuzu might be troublesome, having 5 lives, but still, it wouldn't take too long before he'd killed with the iron sand. Kisame might be a chakra beast, but well, poison does that to you, and since it's a free for all, he only seems very good individually, the same problem Itachi has. Now, Deidara might make this all a tie or take away an easy win, but Sasori's puppets can fly as high as Deidara's bird can, but Deidara could end it all with his suicide blast, but we haven't seen how effective his mini-bombs are, since Sasuke neutralized them, but he has the potential to make this a tie (where everybody dies) or he drops a suicide clone and fly very high and win. And he could probably blow away the iron sand too. Konan can't fight when she's wet. (In more ways than one. :xd: )
And with Kisame here, she has a very low chance of winning. Pein could be poisoned by Sasori's 1000 puppets or iron sand, don't see him surviving, or doing much to counter it.
But touching Tobi's the hard part. And if he's got any good attacks, he could take this, since with his sharingan, he can see Sasori's weak spot, and not be hit by the iron sand with his time/space jutsu.
And Zetsu? :blink:
I still think Sasori or Tobi would win.

So true. And yes. I agree. Either Sasori or Tobi. Itachi is very disadvantaged against Sasori.

X-Drake

11-03-2008, 10:01 PM

Naw, he wasn't easily beaten. Sakura had an antidote for the poison after healing Kankuro. Chiyo taught him how to use puppets, and knew Hiruko and his other puppets and also knew about his weak spot and had chakra shields. None of the Akatsuki would have such knowledge about Sasori, he NEVER even leaves his Hiruko puppet. At most, Deidara would know that Hiruko has a poisoned tail. :S
He used the 1000 puppets to conquer a nation, the Iron sand can move very fast, and once he created a dome-like thingy around you, it can't be escaped, and every single attack is dripping with poison.

Sasori has an instant advantage over Itachi, he doesn't have the 5 senses, he can't feel as he said, neither does he have a brain, so, that cancels out genjutsu. One hit and Itachi's dead. Hidan is a pushover. I doubt he'd be able to revive himself when he's poisoned. And it makes you weak, so he could be easily killed after, have his head chopped off. Kakuzu might be troublesome, having 5 lives, but still, it wouldn't take too long before he'd killed with the iron sand. Kisame might be a chakra beast, but well, poison does that to you, and since it's a free for all, he only seems very good individually, the same problem Itachi has. Now, Deidara might make this all a tie or take away an easy win, but Sasori's puppets can fly as high as Deidara's bird can, but Deidara could end it all with his suicide blast, but we haven't seen how effective his mini-bombs are, since Sasuke neutralized them, but he has the potential to make this a tie (where everybody dies) or he drops a suicide clone and fly very high and win. And he could probably blow away the iron sand too. Konan can't fight when she's wet. (In more ways than one. :xd: )
And with Kisame here, she has a very low chance of winning. Pein could be poisoned by Sasori's 1000 puppets or iron sand, don't see him surviving, or doing much to counter it.
But touching Tobi's the hard part. And if he's got any good attacks, he could take this, since with his sharingan, he can see Sasori's weak spot, and not be hit by the iron sand with his time/space jutsu.
And Zetsu? :blink:
I still think Sasori or Tobi would win.

Kisame has a huge sword which could smash his puppets and who knows, maybe the sword would suck the chakra strings needed to control the puppets since the sword absorbs chakra.

Itachi has amatarasu which burns everything so that include's the pupets sasori, his scrolls for his puppets, everything.

Tobi, sshhhh, this is the subbed so none of them jutsus.

Deidara I don't know but maybe.

Zetsu, too mysterious.

Hidan, well he can't die so I don't know what the poison can do but he can't get sasori's blood to do the ritual.

Kazuku, has five live's and a powerfull hardening jutsu which would destroy the puppets like he did to the shrine wall.

Butter

11-03-2008, 10:40 PM

It would then be itachi,pein and madara.Then madara.

0ba

11-03-2008, 10:54 PM

Kisame has a huge sword which could smash his puppets and who knows, maybe the sword would suck the chakra strings needed to control the puppets since the sword absorbs chakra.

Itachi has amatarasu which burns everything so that include's the pupets sasori, his scrolls for his puppets, everything.

Tobi, sshhhh, this is the subbed so none of them jutsus.

Deidara I don't know but maybe.

Zetsu, too mysterious.

Hidan, well he can't die so I don't know what the poison can do but he can't get sasori's blood to do the ritual.

Kazuku, has five live's and a powerfull hardening jutsu which would destroy the puppets like he did to the shrine wall.Suck a 1000 puppets' string? He uses more than 1 string for each puppet, so that's MANY strings he has to cut, all while avoiding all their poisoned projectiles.

Amaterasu can't pass through anything. It could be easily blocked by a puppet. And Sasori can look him directly in the eye.

True, I'll leave Tobi aside.

And since this is subbed, Deidara can only use his clay bombs and suicide clone. No C3 or C4, so, that makes him much weaker.

Sasori would know that Hidan's head should be chopped off. Asuma thought of it quite quickly.

But Kakuzu would still get poisoned, and might not be able to evade the iron sand, so he loses too.

vane

11-03-2008, 11:02 PM

^^ Again Sasori doesnt have 1000 puppets

X-Drake

11-03-2008, 11:10 PM

Suck a 1000 puppets' string? He uses more than 1 string for each puppet, so that's MANY strings he has to cut, all while avoiding all their poisoned projectiles.

Amaterasu can't pass through anything. It could be easily blocked by a puppet. And Sasori can look him directly in the eye.

True, I'll leave Tobi aside.

And since this is subbed, Deidara can only use his clay bombs and suicide clone. No C3 or C4, so, that makes him much weaker.

Sasori would know that Hidan's head should be chopped off. Asuma thought of it quite quickly.

But Kakuzu would still get poisoned, and might not be able to evade the iron sand, so he loses too.

Amaratrasu is said to burn anything the eye wants it to. It beat a bijuu, jiraya's ultimate defence and burned on top of water. Puppets would get in the way and burn, they are wood still compared to fire said to be from hell.

Kazuku's body is too hard to penetrate only a very strong electric attack like Raikari as he says what powerfull Raiton jutsu is this.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/333/16-17/

So how can the poison penetrate him.

Doctor Octogonapus

11-03-2008, 11:14 PM

It would then be itachi,pein and madara.Then madara.

So it goes
Itachi
Pein
Madara
Madara
???
1, You mean Tobi, not Madara.
I'm always gonna correct people on this until this is finally proven, but at least in the subbed section he's just Tobi.

0ba

11-03-2008, 11:15 PM

^^ Again Sasori doesnt have 1000 puppetsHuh? Why do you say so? :S
The ones he used to conquer a nation? That he was jumping between before he finally got himself killed? That Chiyo fought with her own 8 super puppets?

Amaratrasu is said to burn anything the eye wants it to. It beat a bijuu, jiraya's ultimate defence and burned on top of water. Puppets would get in the way and burn, they are wood still compared to fire said to be from hell.

Kazuku's body is too hard to penetrate only a very strong electric attack like Raikari as he says what powerfull Raiton jutsu is this.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/333/16-17/

So how can the poison penetrate him.True, I didn't say it wouldn't burn the puppets, if there's a puppet in between him and Itachi, the Amaterasu can't pass through and reach Sasori INSIDE a puppet.

vane

11-03-2008, 11:16 PM

^^ Chiyo had 10 like she said and Sasori had 100 like he said he had.

X-Drake

11-03-2008, 11:23 PM

Yup

Chiyo
Shirahigi • Jikki Chikamatsu no Shuu - White Secret Technique • Ten Puppet Collection of Chikamatsu

Sasori
Akahigi • Hyakki no Souen - Red Secret Technique • Performance of the Hundred Puppets

0ba

11-03-2008, 11:37 PM

^^ Chiyo had 10 like she said and Sasori had 100 like he said he had.True, true, true, it was 100, my bad. But still, that's enough. :p

And X, what does Kakuzu do if he's trapped in a poison gas cloud?
And the iron sand can be manipulated into shapes and fired at him, all poisoned too.

vane

11-03-2008, 11:44 PM

^^Oh I agree its enough, I just dont think puppets will work on Pein. But as Drake said earlier this is subbed and I dont even like participating in subbed battles :/

X-Drake

11-03-2008, 11:44 PM

True, true, true, it was 100, my bad. But still, that's enough. :p

And X, what does Kakuzu do if he's trapped in a poison gas cloud?
And the iron sand can be manipulated into shapes and fired at him, all poisoned too.
Are you forgeting kazaku's speed. He was hit with Raikari and when kakashi fired another and went for hidan, kazuku apeared and kicked him back into the wall. I just saw it when i got the link.

Plus shika could hardley see his movements. More hearts, more beats, more blood, more oxygen, higher stamina. He is very fast to catch past full speed kakashi with raikari.

So he could just dodge and give a power punch to break the puppet.

Smiley

11-03-2008, 11:48 PM

True, true, true, it was 100, my bad. But still, that's enough.

Sasori can use 100 puppets at a time, but has around 300 in total.

0ba

11-03-2008, 11:56 PM

Are you forgeting kazaku's speed. He was hit with Raikari and when kakashi fired another and went for hidan, kazuku apeared and kicked him back into the wall. I just saw it when i got the link.

Plus shika could hardley see his movements. More hearts, more beats, more blood, more oxygen, higher stamina. He is very fast to catch past full speed kakashi with raikari.

So he could just dodge and give a power punch to break the puppet.Speed? Sasori's puppets and attacks are quite fast too. And I think that's only with one of the masks. Because he definitely didn't show his speed when he got hit by Naruto's Rasenshuriken.

Stamina doesn't mean much when you're poisoned, and more oxygen, that'd mean he'd inhale even MORE gas if he's trapped in the poison cloud.

Don't forget there are 100 puppets, and getting so close is dangerous, since they're all poisoned.

Vane- I just think they'll be easier to use and harder for him to manipulate since they're not full of chakra.

X-Drake

11-03-2008, 11:59 PM

Kazuku has got speed, when naruto hit him he was to late as he was dealing with clones. He past kakashi and kicked kakashi back but he was fighting naruto's clones when frs hit.

But thats manga so I declare this over.

Jackums

11-04-2008, 06:09 AM

Kisame has a huge sword which could smash his puppets and who knows, maybe the sword would suck the chakra strings needed to control the puppets since the sword absorbs chakra..

not likely.

Itachi has amatarasu which burns everything so that include's the pupets sasori, his scrolls for his puppets, everything..

And you think itachi will have the time to do that while being attacked by the other akatsuki members? no. most of Itachi's abilities work best in one-on-one combat.

Deidara I don't know but maybe..

naa. he'd most likely get killed. he might kill somone if he used the suicide bomb thing though.

Zetsu, too mysterious..

Agreed.

Hidan, well he can't die so I don't know what the poison can do but he can't get sasori's blood to do the ritual..

He might be a challenge. but in the end, i doubt he'd win.

Kazuku, has five live's and a powerfull hardening jutsu which would destroy the puppets like he did to the shrine wall.

He'd most likely lose all five lives by the time he destroyed all of Sasori's puppets.

True, I didn't say it wouldn't burn the puppets, if there's a puppet in between him and Itachi, the Amaterasu can't pass through and reach Sasori INSIDE a puppet.

True.

True, true, true, it was 100, my bad. But still, that's enough. :p

And X, what does Kakuzu do if he's trapped in a poison gas cloud?
And the iron sand can be manipulated into shapes and fired at him, all poisoned too.

Very true. the iron sand is a very fatal ability of Sasori's. And I agree, I doubt Sasori would need more than 100 puppets. And even if he does, he could use the rest he has. Like L said, he has around 300 in total. But can only use 100 at a time.

Speed? Sasori's puppets and attacks are quite fast too. And I think that's only with one of the masks. Because he definitely didn't show his speed when he got hit by Naruto's Rasenshuriken.

Stamina doesn't mean much when you're poisoned, and more oxygen, that'd mean he'd inhale even MORE gas if he's trapped in the poison cloud.

Don't forget there are 100 puppets, and getting so close is dangerous, since they're all poisoned.

Vane- I just think they'll be easier to use and harder for him to manipulate since they're not full of chakra.

Also agreed.

But thats manga so I declare this over.

This isn't your thread. You can't say that it's ended. People are still entitled to post their opinions here, irreguardless of what you say. If you don't want to discuss this anymore, don't post. But don't try say that this discussion has ended.

Anyway, I'd say it would be like this, based on all of the above reasons.

1- Tobi
2- Sasori
3- Pein

note: that was just a random order.

D.I.Y Death

11-04-2008, 06:27 AM

0ba

11-04-2008, 06:37 AM

This isn't your thread. You can't say that it's ended. People are still entitled to post their opinions here, irreguardless of what you say.What he said makes sense, since we haven't seen Pein, Tobi, or Kakuzu fight in the subbed so it doesn't make any sense debating about them. And Deidara's got some better jutsus later on too.

Pein or Deidara would take this.
Why Deidara you ask? Well because he can kill everyone in one giant explosion.Well, that'd be a tie, since he'll die as well.
And it it's to 'destroy everything in a particular radius as he said', it didn't do much to Manda, only killed him, you never know, maybe Iron sand would protect Sasori, because I don't think Manda's scales are tougher than a dome of Iron sand covering Sasori. And Tobi would use time/space jutsu and it wouldn't affect him.

Or he can infect everyone with microscopic bombs and blow them apart from the inside. Hell even if he's about to die he can kill off everyone there besides Pein (no clue if his ultimate art would stop him from regenerating/healing)This is subbed, unfortunately.
And we haven't seen that being used, we don't know how effective it is (the mini bombs).
Probably not, Pein would be blown to pieces.

D.I.Y Death

11-04-2008, 06:43 AM

What he said makes sense, since we haven't seen Pein, Tobi, or Kakuzu fight in the subbed so it doesn't make any sense debating about them. And Deidara's got some better jutsus later on too.

Well, that'd be a tie, since he'll die as well.
And it it's to 'destroy everything in a particular radius as he said', it didn't do much to Manda, only killed him, you never know, maybe Iron sand would protect Sasori, because I don't think Manda's scales are tougher than a dome of Iron sand covering Sasori. And Tobi would use time/space jutsu and it wouldn't affect him.

This is subbed, unfortunately.
And we haven't seen that being used, we don't know how effective it is (the mini bombs).
Probably not, Pein would be blown to pieces.

The mini bombs would the the real killer. But if we go by whats been seen in the subbed Sasori would probably win with his mass numbers/poison.

Jackums

11-04-2008, 07:03 AM

Pein or Deidara would take this.
Why Deidara you ask? Well because he can kill everyone in one giant explosion. Or he can infect everyone with microscopic bombs and blow them apart from the inside. Hell even if he's about to die he can kill off everyone there besides Pein (no clue if his ultimate art would stop him from regenerating/healing)

very good point. But many of the Akatsuki members are very fast, and wouldn't allow him the time to use certain techniques. Especially if they saw him as a threat. Which they obviously would. Anyway, I wonder if Sasori would survive Deidra's suicide explosion if he was inside his puppet, surrounded by his 100 puppets, plus covered in his iron sand???

EDIT: Haha, I only just realised those posts. lol. But yea, I'd say that Sasori would definately take this, since we're going by the subbed. Hence it being in the "subbed" section.

D.I.Y Death

11-04-2008, 07:08 AM

very good point. But many of the Akatsuki members are very fast, and wouldn't allow him the time to use certain techniques. Especially if they saw him as a threat. Which they obviously would. Anyway, I wonder if Sasori would survive Deidra's suicide explosion if he was inside his puppet, surrounded by his 100 puppets, plus covered in his iron sand???

Considering the explosion has a diameter of about 10 kilometers I highly doubt it.
The only reason why Sauske made it out of thatwas because he hid in Manda's corpse.

Jackums

11-04-2008, 07:24 AM

Considering the explosion has a diameter of about 10 kilometers I highly doubt it.
The only reason why Sauske made it out of thatwas because he hid in Manda's corpse.

And you think that Manda's corpse is stronger than being inside a puppet using it as a shell (like Sasori does), whilst being in a cacoon of iron sand, plus being surrounded by an army of 100 puppets? :blink:

D.I.Y Death

11-04-2008, 07:34 AM

And you think that Manda's corpse is stronger than being inside a puppet using it as a shell (like Sasori does), whilst being in a cacoon of iron sand, plus being surrounded by an army of 100 puppets? :blink:

Well if you want to get down to the sheer physics of it it inertia from the blast is mostly absorbed by the squishy flesh of Manda. The inertia in Iron sand or a wooden puppet would still be transferred directly to the person hiding in it. Sasori's body would be in so many pieces after that he'd be useless even if he did have his core in tact. Madara could evade it completely though since that prick can't be hit by anything. Thats where the microscopic bombs would come into effect since they teleport and go out of sync with him.

Jackums

11-04-2008, 07:53 AM

Well if you want to get down to the sheer physics of it it inertia from the blast is mostly absorbed by the squishy flesh of Manda. The inertia in Iron sand or a wooden puppet would still be transferred directly to the person hiding in it. Sasori's body would be in so many pieces after that he'd be useless even if he did have his core in tact. Madara could evade it completely though since that prick can't be hit by anything. Thats where the microscopic bombs would come into effect since they teleport and go out of sync with him.

So you're saying that flesh is stronger than a layer of iron sand, a puppet shell, and a hundred puppets layered all on top of Sasori? That's a quite ridiculous theory :blink: If anything, it would be at least as strong as Manda's flesh. Anyway, like we've already said, Deidra doesn't have the minibombs in this battle, since we're going off the subbed. Hence this thread being in the "Subbed" section.

D.I.Y Death

11-04-2008, 07:59 AM

So you're saying that flesh is stronger than a layer of iron sand, a puppet shell, and a hundred puppets layered all on top of Sasori? That's a quite ridiculous theory :blink: If anything, it would be at least as strong as Manda's flesh. Anyway, like we've already said, Deidra doesn't have the minibombs in this battle, since we're going off the subbed. Hence this thread being in the "Subbed" section.

...that's not theory its science. The flesh absorbs the impact because it's not a rigid structure like metal and to a lesser extent: wood. They teach this shit in grade 6...
Basically then he's limited to his c2 clone explosion c3 and his bird. His bird alone removes almost all opposition since they can't hit him as he flies above. Tobi is probably the only one who can survive c3 (maybe Pein as well but we don't know Pein's weakness yet so can't say for sure either way). After that it boils down to Bombs vs Guy that can't be hit by anything vs 6 bodies that have unique abilities which augment and protect the other bodies.

Jackums

11-04-2008, 08:05 AM

...that's not theory its science. The flesh absorbs the impact because it's not a rigid structure like metal and to a lesser extent: wood. They teach this shit in grade 6...

Um, this is naruto, not science :blink: do you seriously think that all of the rules of reality apply to the Naruto world. I highly doubt that a layer of flesh would be as effective as a layer of iron sand, wood, and a layer of 100 puppets. :susp:
And no, he doesn't have c2 or c3. yet again i say, this is subbed.

Smiley

11-04-2008, 11:37 AM

Gaara blocked C3 with his sand, Sasori should be able to do the same with Satetsu.
As for C4, Sasori doesn't breathe so it won't affect him.

Jackums

11-04-2008, 11:52 AM

Gaara blocked C3 with his sand, Sasori should be able to do the same with Satetsu.
As for C4, Sasori doesn't breathe so it won't affect him.

Thankyou! Finally, someone :lol:

D.I.Y Death

11-04-2008, 08:12 PM

Gaara blocked C3 with his sand, Sasori should be able to do the same with Satetsu.
As for C4, Sasori doesn't breathe so it won't affect him.

Wood is porous. Bombs can still get in since breathing isn't the only entry.
Gaara's chakra enhanced sand stopped it and if you notice how it stops the explosion is expanding with the explosion to absorb all its inertia. It doesn't simply act as a wall because that's totally ineffective. That's demonstrated by his sand shield exploding from within from c1 and since C1 is basically just a smaller version of C3 this is a logical explanation.

Um, this is naruto, not science :blink: do you seriously think that all of the rules of reality apply to the Naruto world. I highly doubt that a layer of flesh would be as effective as a layer of iron sand, wood, and a layer of 100 puppets. :susp:
And no, he doesn't have c2 or c3. yet again i say, this is subbed.

# C-1: Deidara's most basic and versatile form of clay created from a single palm mouth. These are small animated dolls that often resemble small birds or insects. They have an explosive power similar to that of a hand grenade. Despite being his weakest bombs they can still be lethal at close range and are very mobile and agile.
# C-2 "Ryuu": These are large living clay statues, created by using both palm mouths together. The best example seen was a giant dragon that could create numerous other explosives from its own body; Tobi's reaction implies that the dragon is significantly more powerful than other C-2 level explosives.
# C-3 "Ohako": His most powerful large scale bomb, this was an large immobile clay statue that drops on targets from above. Its explosive power was great enough to apparently destroy an entire hidden village.

C1 and c3 were used. He also has "Suicide Bombing Clone" which is said to be powerful enough to level an entire forest as well as his clay bird.

C3 was used in the sand village. C1 was used everywhere. Clay Clone was used against Kakashi and the bird was used against Naruto/Kakashi.

So again. Deidara can simply drop c3 on everyone's head and kill off 3/4ths off. Pein Deidara and Tobi will be left standing. Iron sand doesn't have enough to protect Sasori from an explosion that can level a massive "village" in one explosion. But hey if I'm wrong prove to me it can stand up to C3. I'm sure since you're going on about Sasori surviving you have some proof that he can survive an explosion like that.

Jackums

11-04-2008, 09:27 PM

Wood is porous. Bombs can still get in since breathing isn't the only entry.
Gaara's chakra enhanced sand stopped it and if you notice how it stops the explosion is expanding with the explosion to absorb all its inertia. It doesn't simply act as a wall because that's totally ineffective. That's demonstrated by his sand shield exploding from within from c1 and since C1 is basically just a smaller version of C3 this is a logical explanation.

C1 and c3 were used. He also has "Suicide Bombing Clone" which is said to be powerful enough to level an entire forest as well as his clay bird.

C3 was used in the sand village. C1 was used everywhere. Clay Clone was used against Kakashi and the bird was used against Naruto/Kakashi.

So again. Deidara can simply drop c3 on everyone's head and kill off 3/4ths off. Pein Deidara and Tobi will be left standing. Iron sand doesn't have enough to protect Sasori from an explosion that can level a massive "village" in one explosion. But hey if I'm wrong prove to me it can stand up to C3. I'm sure since you're going on about Sasori surviving you have some proof that he can survive an explosion like that.

The only solid proof I could give, would be if it happened in an episode. And it obviously hasn't. So no. you won't be getting your "proof" today. Either way, you can't provide proof either. And what's with you saying "you need proof", on these opinion threads? seriously. There's a reason it asks who you "think" would win. This isn't some mass debate.

Anyway. Yes, I think Sasori could defeat Deidra in this battle. All of the other Akatsuki members would most likely go for Deidra first, unless they were completely brain dead. Knowing that he has bombs that could, in theory, wipe them all out, they would obviously target him first.
I'm not saying Sasori would win. I'm saying he would have a chance. But since we don't know enough about some of the Akatsuki members, it would just be a possible scenario kind of situation.

Smiley

11-04-2008, 09:28 PM

Jackums

11-04-2008, 09:29 PM

Also valid points. Very good points actually.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 04:31 AM

The only solid proof I could give, would be if it happened in an episode. And it obviously hasn't. So no. you won't be getting your "proof" today. Either way, you can't provide proof either. And what's with you saying "you need proof", on these opinion threads? seriously. There's a reason it asks who you "think" would win. This isn't some mass debate.

Anyway. Yes, I think Sasori could defeat Deidra in this battle. All of the other Akatsuki members would most likely go for Deidra first, unless they were completely brain dead. Knowing that he has bombs that could, in theory, wipe them all out, they would obviously target him first.
I'm not saying Sasori would win. I'm saying he would have a chance. But since we don't know enough about some of the Akatsuki members, it would just be a possible scenario kind of situation.

Thats what I'm saying as well. Deidara has a chance to obliterate everyone. Doesn't mean it will happen it simply means it can happen.

I said that he would block it with Satetsu, which is Iron sand, not wood.

Deva Pein could also send it back to Deidara with Shinra Tensei, and Itachi could seal it away with Totsuka no Tsurugi before it reaches the ground.

I totally agree with Pein but you're stretching Itachi's abilities to retarded levels.

Jackums

11-05-2008, 05:00 AM

Thats what I'm saying as well. Deidara has a chance to obliterate everyone. Doesn't mean it will happen it simply means it can happen.

Obviously. Since it never will happen, because Sasori is dead.

I totally agree with Pein but you're stretching Itachi's abilities to retarded levels.

And what about Sasori? You didn't reply to what L said. Maybe because of the "mistake" you made..

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 05:06 AM

And what about Sasori? You didn't reply to what L said. Maybe because of the "mistake" you made..

I totally missed out on that. Where did "L' say something to me?

Jackums

11-05-2008, 05:58 AM

I totally missed out on that. Where did "L' say something to me?

lol. correction. Smiley. The avatar messed me up :lol:

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 06:22 AM

Jackums

11-05-2008, 06:28 AM

Oh. I didn't bother getting into that because Smiley knows everything without knowing anything. He makes a lot of assumptions and usually I disagree with 90% of what he says. That was one of those points I avoided talking about because he's talking out of his ass. There isn't enough Iron sand to nullify C3. We can accurately gauge the amount of sand needed to stop C3 by how much sand Gaara used and its huge amount. Now when we look at how much Iron Sand was available through the 3rd Kazekage there wasn't nearly enough and even if he was able to produce more his chakra is limited and cannot be renewed since he's a puppet. This limits how much Iron Sand he can use and how long he can use it.

yes. but he also has the puppet army, plus his puppet shell. [I've said that like, five times:lol: ] haha. I still think he could survive it. Anyway, even if not, as long as his heart survives, he can transfer it into a new body. Plus, you said flesh is better at absorbing the impact, right? Well, 103 of Sasori's puppets are human bodies. And since he can control 100 at a time, he can easily absorb the impact of the explosion, along with his puppet shell, and iron sand.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 06:52 AM

yes. but he also has the puppet army, plus his puppet shell. [I've said that like, five times:lol: ] haha. I still think he could survive it. Anyway, even if not, as long as his heart survives, he can transfer it into a new body. Plus, you said flesh is better at absorbing the impact, right? Well, 103 of Sasori's puppets are human bodies. And since he can control 100 at a time, he can easily absorb the impact of the explosion, along with his puppet shell, and iron sand.

Well the flesh absorbs the recoil better but it doesn't mean the flesh goes unscathed. Manda didn't have any limbs to be blown off since its a snake but puppets have limbs and weak points such as necks elbow knees or anywhere else that articulates. Unless you have one big meat shield space/time jutsu or some way to absorb all the shock and flames of c3 you will die since you can't escape from it. So Sasori would die if he took a hit from C3...just like anything else.

Jackums

11-05-2008, 07:00 AM

Well the flesh absorbs the recoil better but it doesn't mean the flesh goes unscathed. Manda didn't have any limbs to be blown off since its a snake but puppets have limbs and weak points such as necks elbow knees or anywhere else that articulates. Unless you have one big meat shield space/time jutsu or some way to absorb all the shock and flames of c3 you will die since you can't escape from it. So Sasori would die if he took a hit from C3...just like anything else.

What you just said, was simply an assumption. or possible scenario. i'd still say Sasori could survive the impact. Like I said, he only needs his heart to survive. With his heart in a puppet shell, covered in iron sand, with 100 fleshy puppets over him, I'd say that his heart, at the least, would survive the impact.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 07:34 AM

What you just said, was simply an assumption. or possible scenario. i'd still say Sasori could survive the impact. Like I said, he only needs his heart to survive. With his heart in a puppet shell, covered in iron sand, with 100 fleshy puppets over him, I'd say that his heart, at the least, would survive the impact.

And where would the heart go after a bomb that could level a small city was dropped? Flesh can't withstand an explosion like that and metal buckles under large explosions like that. Stop with the stupid Sasori hard on b.s. Yes he's cool and normally he's impossibly hard to beat but when it comes to giant explosions he's screwed. Just think about what you're saying for 30 seconds because ti makes NO SENSE.

Jackums

11-05-2008, 07:49 AM

And where would the heart go after a bomb that could level a small city was dropped? Flesh can't withstand an explosion like that and metal buckles under large explosions like that. Stop with the stupid Sasori hard on b.s. Yes he's cool and normally he's impossibly hard to beat but when it comes to giant explosions he's screwed. Just think about what you're saying for 30 seconds because ti makes NO SENSE.

I can read it clearly, and it easily makes sense to me. I don't know if you have reading difficulties, but i think most people could understand that. Anyway, I don't have a "Sasori Hard on" thing. He's just an average character to me. But if Sasuke could survive it by being in Manda, and Gaara could survive with sand, I'd definately assume that Sasori could survive the impact. Anyway, I couldn't care less what you say anymore. Every time we have a "discussion", you can never consider the other person's opinion. I mean, yes, sasori COULD die from the impact. But, compared to the other survivors, it's just as likely he could survive. I know this isn't going to get anywhere, so I'll leave it at that. bai.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 08:34 AM

I can read it clearly, and it easily makes sense to me.
Instead of insulting you I'm just going to smile and nod.

I don't know if you have reading difficulties, but i think most people could understand that.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/699/115800872small3hp2lc.jpg
So you're saying a tiny bit of iron sand and puppets can protect him from that?
If people understand that they've spent too much time sniffing glue as a child.

Anyway, I don't have a "Sasori Hard on" thing. He's just an average character to me.
Then why the hell are you so hell bent on Sasori being able to survive such a gigantic explosion when he doesn't have the ability to survive it.

But if Sasuke could survive it by being in Manda, and Gaara could survive with sand, I'd definately assume that Sasori could survive the impact.
Why? Sauske used his summon to save his ass and Gaara used a deserts worth of sand to protect the village from the explosion. Sasori has no summons to hide inside and doesn't have a deserts worth or sand/iron sand to use.

Anyway, I couldn't care less what you say anymore. Every time we have a "discussion", you can never consider the other person's opinion.
I always consider the other persons opinion. However I don't let people have opinions based on sheer stupidity.
I mean, yes, sasori COULD die from the impact.
Your mean probably would die.

But, compared to the other survivors, it's just as likely he could survive.

That's stupid since Sasori doesn't have a contract to summon anything (like Sauske did).
And the last option is comparing him to Gaara. Now this is the ONLY one with any plausibility since he has the 3rd kazekage as a puppet.
Gaara has a demon of the sand which allows him to control vast amounts of sand. No one else in the history of the sand village...not even their strongest kazekage had that kind of ability which makes Gaara's sand techniques unique.
Next the 3rd Kazekage's Iron Sand technique did not produce massive amounts of iron sand. It was enough to make 2 large shapes and the size cannot be compared what so ever to Gaara's massive amount of sand that he used to protect the sand village.

Here's a picture or Iron Sand.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/ironsand.jpg
Here's a picture of the sand Gaara needed to stop C3
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/gaarasand.jpg

Could you possibly see why I'm not taking you seriously? Your point is absurd and quite frankly if I went out of my way (like I just did) to prove everyone wrong who had a stupid and blatantly wrong opinion I'd be here all day.

I know this isn't going to get anywhere, so I'll leave it at that. bai.
If you still have the same opinion after this post you need to get a lobotomy because you obviously have something wrong upstairs.

0ba

11-05-2008, 08:50 AM

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 09:18 AM

Gaara used that much sand to protect the WHOLE village. Sasori only needs to make a ball of iron sand around himself bcause he's protecting ONLY himself, not the whole village, unlike Gaara. Sasori would allow it to obliterate everything else, it doesn't matter to him. If Gaara was alone there, he'd have made a ball around himself. He was protecting the village. The main reason Deidara dropped that bomb in the first place.

But you need that amount of sand to stop yourself from being thrown with the explosion. Hell C1 nearly made Gaara's chakra enhanced sand blow out (when gaara was hit by Deidara) Now multiply that force by 1000 and you have C3.

See C1 took a perfect sphere of sand and did this to it:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/gaaradead.jpg

Now if a tiny explosion did that what would this do to a tiny sphere of sand?

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/artisablast.jpg

Jackums

11-05-2008, 09:23 AM

Instead of insulting you I'm just going to smile and nod.

Good for you.

So you're saying a tiny bit of iron sand and puppets can protect him from that?
If people understand that they've spent too much time sniffing glue as a child.

Yes. Yes, I do. The amount of iron sand doesn't matter, as long he's only using it to protect himself. I'm sure he'd have enough.

Then why the hell are you so hell bent on Sasori being able to survive such a gigantic explosion when he doesn't have the ability to survive it.

You don't know that he doesn't have the ability to survive it. That's your assumption. And it's not a matter of being "hell bent" on it. It's a matter of arguing my opinion of this scenario, over yours. Besides, I can't say that you can talk. You seem to be more "hell bent" on the situation than me. A bit self-contradictary there.

Why? Sauske used his summon to save his ass and Gaara used a deserts worth of sand to protect the village from the explosion. Sasori has no summons to hide inside and doesn't have a deserts worth or sand/iron sand to use.

Exactly. He only needed that much sand to protect the village. If he was only protecting himself, he wouldn't need nearly as much.

I always consider the other persons opinion. However I don't let people have opinions based on sheer stupidity.

You can't stop ANYONE from having an opinion. You do know the meaning of opinion, right? I think someone has an over-sized ego.

Your mean probably would die.

No. I don't recall saying that. And no, I don't mean that either. I mean what i said.

That's stupid since Sasori doesn't have a contract to summon anything (like Sauske did).

That has nothing to do with this. We're not comparing who has the widest range of jutsu in their arsenal.

And the last option is comparing him to Gaara. Now this is the ONLY one with any plausibility since he has the 3rd kazekage as a puppet.
Gaara has a demon of the sand which allows him to control vast amounts of sand. No one else in the history of the sand village...not even their strongest kazekage had that kind of ability which makes Gaara's sand techniques unique.

Yet again, that has nothing to do with it. Sasori doesn't NEED to be able to make large amounts of iron sand. He only needs enough to cover himself. Just like Gaara would've needed if he wasn't protecting the village.

Next the 3rd Kazekage's Iron Sand technique did not produce massive amounts of iron sand. It was enough to make 2 large shapes and the size cannot be compared what so ever to Gaara's massive amount of sand that he used to protect the sand village.

Exactly. To PROTECT THE VILLAGE. Sasori ISN'T protecting a village. Just himself.

Could you possibly see why I'm not taking you seriously? Your point is absurd and quite frankly if I went out of my way (like I just did) to prove everyone wrong who had a stupid and blatantly wrong opinion I'd be here all day.

And the over-sized ego is back. -sigh-

If you still have the same opinion after this post you need to get a lobotomy because you obviously have something wrong upstairs.

Speak for yourself :rolleyes:

Gaara used that much sand to protect the WHOLE village. Sasori only needs to make a ball of iron sand around himself bcause he's protecting ONLY himself, not the whole village, unlike Gaara. Sasori would allow it to obliterate everything else, it doesn't matter to him. If Gaara was alone there, he'd have made a ball around himself. He was protecting the village. The main reason Deidara dropped that bomb in the first place.

Exactly.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 09:27 AM

But you need that amount of sand to stop yourself from being thrown with the explosion. Hell C1 nearly made Gaara's chakra enhanced sand blow out (when gaara was hit by Deidara) Now multiply that force by 1000 and you have C3.

See C1 took a perfect sphere of sand and did this to it:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/gaaradead.jpg

Now if a tiny explosion did that what would this do to a tiny sphere of sand?

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/artisablast.jpg

AHEM

Yes. Yes, I do. The amount of iron sand doesn't matter, as long he's only using it to protect himself. I'm sure he'd have enough.
You think so eh? Well he does have enough to cover himself in a sphere along with the 3rd Kazekage. But if C1 nearly took out that sand C3 most likely will since its a lot stronger.

You don't know that he doesn't have the ability to survive it. That's your assumption.
This isn't Indiana Jones. Sasori can't jump in a fridge and hope for the best.

And it's not a matter of being "hell bent" on it. It's a matter of arguing my opinion of this scenario, over yours. Besides, I can't say that you can talk. Your opinion is shit. It doesn't make sense when dealing with the basic physics of an explosion...you know...bigger boom means more damage.

You seem to be more "hell bent" on the situation than me. A bit self-contradictary there.
Just to be a dick I'm going to correct your spelling from now on.
"contradictory"
There's nothing I can say to this obscene comment other than STOP IGNORING PHYSICS.

Exactly. He only needed that much sand to protect the village. If he was only protecting himself, he wouldn't need nearly as much.
This is c3 we are talking about he only has enough Iron Sand to protect himself much like Gaara's absolute defense.

You can't stop ANYONE from having an opinion. You do know the meaning of opinion, right? I think someone has an over-sized ego.
You certainly are entitled to your own opinion. Doesn't mean its right or based on facts though.

That has nothing to do with this. We're not comparing who has the widest range of jutsu in their arsenal.
You just compared Sasori's ability to survive C3 with people who have survived C3 and up and then you say this? Wow.

Yet again, that has nothing to do with it. Sasori doesn't NEED to be able to make large amounts of iron sand. He only needs enough to cover himself.
And increase the density of his sand by compacting it.

Just like Gaara would've needed if he wasn't protecting the village.

If Gaara was hit directly with C3 he'd need more sand then just that tiny bit that C1 almost took out.

I cut out the redundant stupid posts you had and addressed the core aspects.

0ba

11-05-2008, 09:37 AM

Jackums

11-05-2008, 09:41 AM

AHEM

There's my answer. And yes, of course it would be destroyed, since the bomb was on the inside :rolleyes: But, it wouldn't be on the inside. So no. That post was pointless. And yes Oba, the c3 is only classed as better because of its larger radius. Not destructive power.

I'm sure the sand should be tougher on the outside. Because when Deidara was throwing the same bombs at the outside, it wasn't affecting it at all.

And I thought the C3 just had a bigger radius? Correct me if I'm wrong.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 09:57 AM

I'm sure the sand should be tougher on the outside. Because when Deidara was throwing the same bombs at the outside, it wasn't affecting it at all.
How would it be tougher on the outside? Its compacted sand and making it less compacted on the inside effects its ability to take hits. Structural integrity FTW! :P
Deidara used C1 on Gaara twice.
This was the first time:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/gaarac1.jpg
He escaped Gaara's orb of sand by using that so obviously C1 can penetrate the sand.
Second time was when he hit Gaara with like 3 C1's which knocked Gaara out.Here is that pic.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/gaaradead.jpg

And I thought the C3 just had a bigger radius? Correct me if I'm wrong.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/c3.jpg

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 10:01 AM

There's my answer. And yes, of course it would be destroyed, since the bomb was on the inside :rolleyes: But, it wouldn't be on the inside. So no.
So why wouldn't it work on the outside? Is the inside made of cupcakes while the outside is made of compacted sand? This kind of defeats the whole integrity of the shield according to how you would set it up.

That post was pointless. And yes Oba, the c3 is only classed as better because of its larger radius. Not destructive power.

Just proved that wrong with my post above. A comparison would be like using dynamite for one bomb and plutonium for another. Theres a difference in size and power. Wait...if you've been wrong about pretty well every major point you have does this mean your opinion isn't based off of fact?

Jackums

11-05-2008, 10:06 AM

How would it be tougher on the outside? Its compacted sand and making it less compacted on the inside effects its ability to take hits. Structural integrity FTW! :P

Yes.. Your point. It's just common knowledge that something is more vulnerable from the inside, than the outside. The interior is much weaker than the exterior.

Deidara used C1 on Gaara twice.
This was the first time:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/gaarac1.jpg
He escaped Gaara's orb of sand by using that so obviously C1 can penetrate the sand.
Second time was when he hit Gaara with like 3 C1's which knocked Gaara out.Here is that pic.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/gaaradead.jpg

Yes. Yet again i say it is more weaker in the interior than the exterior. If deaidra were to use his c1 on the outside, it would've had a lot less effect.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/c3.jpg

Yes. That doesn't prove anything. His c3 is infused with his highest level of chakara, to increase the radius. Not to increase its destructive power :rolleyes:

0ba

11-05-2008, 10:08 AM

How would it be tougher on the outside? Its compacted sand and making it less compacted on the inside effects its ability to take hits. Structural integrity FTW! :P
Deidara used C1 on Gaara twice.
This was the first time:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/gaarac1.jpg
He escaped Gaara's orb of sand by using that so obviously C1 can penetrate the sand.
Second time was when he hit Gaara with like 3 C1's which knocked Gaara out.Here is that pic.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/gaaradead.jpg
Well, didn't he use the same clay on the outside, and he couldn't blow it away?

From what I remember, he put his clay in Gaara's sand when Gaara crushed his arm with desert funeral. Then Gaara used that clay to protect himself, that's how the clay got inside.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/Lord-of-Lies/c3.jpgHighest level of chakra... couldn't that also mean a larger radius? :S

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 10:13 AM

Yes.. Your point. It's just common knowledge that something is more vulnerable from the inside, than the outside. The interior is much weaker than the exterior.
[quote]
We are dealing with compacted sand not a building where it has support beams and C1 doesn't have a large enough explosion radius to cause rapid compression on the inside when only one is used. (hence the effect of the first explosion vs the compression of the second explosion.)

[quote]
Yes. Yet again i say it is more weaker in the interior than the exterior. If deaidra were to use his c1 on the outside, it would've had a lot less effect.

So you're going to stick with the idea that the inside of Gaara's Absolute defense is made with the hopes and dreams he lost during childhood?

Yes. That doesn't prove anything. His c3 is infused with his highest level of chakara, to increase the radius. Not to increase its destructive power :rolleyes:
So c1 which had no fire (indicating it worked more like a grenade) all of a sudden turns into a giant ball of fire explosion and the only thing that's changed is the size of the explosion? Do you know ANYTHING about explosives? Because this implies you don't.

Well, didn't he use the same clay on the outside, and he couldn't blow it away?
He uses sand for his shield. The sand doesn't change to anything other than sand and there isn't anything other than chakra that's holding the sand in place so it can't be weaker on the inside since there isn't a support structure on the inside.

From what I remember, he put his clay in Gaara's sand when Gaara crushed his arm with desert funeral. Then Gaara used that clay to protect himself, that's how the clay got inside.

Yep he also had more than 1 c1 get inside. Thats why that sand ball looked weird after the bombs exploded. The compression forced the shape to look like that because the air moved by the explosion was pushing against the walls too hard. The first time he used C1 didn't look like that because he didn't use as many bombs and yet it blew a hole in the sand.

Highest level of chakra... couldn't that also mean a larger radius? :S
Doesn't explain how an explosion that looks like a grenade explosion looks like a hydrogen bomb explosion through a larger radius.
If this was true it would just look like a bigger C1 explosion and not that big ball of fire.

Smiley

11-05-2008, 10:30 AM

I totally agree with Pein but you're stretching Itachi's abilities to retarded levels.

What's wrong with him sealing it away with Susano'o?

Jackums

11-05-2008, 10:36 AM

We are dealing with compacted sand not a building where it has support beams and C1 doesn't have a large enough explosion radius to cause rapid compression on the inside when only one is used. (hence the effect of the first explosion vs the compression of the second explosion.)

Either way, it's just obvious that the interior of a ball of hardened sand is dramatically weaker than the exterior :rolleyes:

So c1 which had no fire (indicating it worked more like a grenade) all of a sudden turns into a giant ball of fire explosion and the only thing that's changed is the size of the explosion? Do you know ANYTHING about explosives? Because this implies you don't.

Common sense. Of course there's going to be fire if the radius has multiplied and grown dramatically larger. Jeez. Even my 8 year old sister could figure that out :rolleyes:

He uses sand for his shield. The sand doesn't change to anything other than sand and there isn't anything other than chakra that's holding the sand in place so it can't be weaker on the inside since there isn't a support structure on the inside.

Irreguardless. Its just common knowlege that something like a sphere of hardened sand is weaker on the interior. If you hadn't noticed, from the inside, the sphere walls curve inwards, giving them less support from the inside. And from the outside, the sands sphere's walls curve away, obviously giving them more resistance to impact.

Doesn't explain how an explosion that looks like a grenade explosion looks like a hydrogen bomb explosion through a larger radius.
If this was true it would just look like a bigger C1 explosion and not that big ball of fire.

Of course if something creates an extremely larger radius, it's going to make fire. :rolleyes:

0ba

11-05-2008, 10:42 AM

Common sense. Of course there's going to be fire if the radius has multiplied and grown dramatically larger. Jeez. Even my 8 year old sister could figure that out :rolleyes:Then your 'common sense' is uncommon. And after what you just said, that's a good thing. 8)

Of course if something creates an extremely larger radius, it's going to make fire. :rolleyes:Goodness. :S

I agree with DIY now. But then, Pein could easily send it back to Deidara. Or Itachi sealing it away with Susano'o, or just being inside Susano'o if it explodes and kills everyone else but him, Tobi and Deidara. Then Tobi would win.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 10:45 AM

What's wrong with him sealing it away with Susano'o?

I really don't think that's an option. I have nothing to really base that on...I just think that would be the lamest thing to ever happen if it did happen.

Jackums

11-05-2008, 10:52 AM

Then your 'common sense' is uncommon. And after what you just said, that's a good thing. 8)

Goodness. :S

I agree with DIY now. But then, Pein could easily send it back to Deidara. Or Itachi sealing it away with Susano'o, or just being inside Susano'o if it explodes and kills everyone else but him, Tobi and Deidara. Then Tobi would win.

omg, how typical. We're having an argument on another thread, so you decide to use this argument to your advantage :rolleyes: you seriously DO need a life. At least DIY has a more "fair" argument, and sticks to his opinion. omg. ROFL.

And this is for you, DIY. Just to explain what i was saying, in an easier, and more clear way.

http://i38.tinypic.com/34e57xs.jpg

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 10:57 AM

Either way, it's just obvious that the interior of a ball of hardened sand is dramatically weaker than the exterior :rolleyes:
[quote] The only time that comes into play is if the displacement from the explosion happens to be larger than the sphere itself.

[quote]
Common sense. Of course there's going to be fire if the radius has multiplied and grown dramatically larger. Jeez. Even my 8 year old sister could figure that out :rolleyes:

Well I have a certification for transportation of Dangerous Goods and they make you read a text book on different types of explosions.
One that even you could understand would be a depth charge or a compressed gas cylinder. Both have various sizes and as they increase in size if an explosion occurs here is no fire in either explosion. Its caused by compressed gasses being released at an extreme rate.

Irreguardless. Its just common knowlege that something like a sphere of hardened sand is weaker on the interior. If you hadn't noticed, from the inside, the sphere walls curve inwards, giving them less support from the inside. And from the outside, the sands sphere's walls curve away, obviously giving them more resistance to impact.
The only time this is applicable is if the displacement is larger than the sphere. If it is smaller the integrity is the same on the outside as the inside as demonstrated by the pictures I provided.

Of course if something creates an extremely larger radius, it's going to make fire. :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion
You're not too bright are you?

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 10:58 AM

0ba

11-05-2008, 11:02 AM

omg, how typical. We're having an argument on another thread, so you decide to use this argument to your advantage :rolleyes: you seriously DO need a life. At least DIY has a more "fair" argument, and sticks to his opinion. omg. ROFL.

And this is for you, DIY. Just to explain what i was saying, in an easier, and more clear way.

http://i38.tinypic.com/34e57xs.jpg:lol:

We've been having that 'argument' as you call it for a while. Wasn't I agreeing with you earlier even though we weren't agreeing in the other thread? There's no connection between the threads, and I don't have any hard feelings for you. 8)

Sticking to your opinion is stupid when in your case, it's ignorant and wrong. Not every explosion creates fire, large radius or not. DIY is right, because I wasn't agreeing with him earlier doesn't mean I won't when he's proven that he's right. And besides, I still think Sasori or Tobi would win, as I said in the same post.

And as you just said, change my opinion even after seeing what I believe to be true shows stubbornness. And you shouldn't lecture me, don't tell me what to do.

You know nothing about me, don't tell me to get a life.

omg. ROFL.

Jackums

11-05-2008, 11:32 AM

Either way, it's just obvious that the interior of a ball of hardened sand is dramatically weaker than the exterior :rolleyes:
The only time that comes into play is if the displacement from the explosion happens to be larger than the sphere itself.

That might apply in this world, but this is Naruto we're talking about. Big difference.

Well I have a certification for transportation of Dangerous Goods and they make you read a text book on different types of explosions.
One that even you could understand would be a depth charge or a compressed gas cylinder. Both have various sizes and as they increase in size if an explosion occurs here is no fire in either explosion. Its caused by compressed gasses being released at an extreme rate.

That had absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. A bunch of big words, and a certification for transport of dangerous goods, doesn't make your argument right :rolleyes:

The only time this is applicable is if the displacement is larger than the sphere. If it is smaller the integrity is the same on the outside as the inside as demonstrated by the pictures I provided.

You may be right, but either way, it doesn't mean Deaidra's bombs would've worked as effectively on the outside as the inside. Yet again, i say this is NARUTO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion
You're not too bright are you?

That web page proved absolutley nothing. send me a link, and think i won't read it? that has nothing to do with this whatsoever. :rolleyes:

Anyway, i think you're missing the point of my debate. Sasori could survive the blast. That was my simple point this whole time. I think you're getting a bit too serious, and determined to prove your point. it's quite pathetic actually.

:lol: We've been having that 'argument' as you call it for a while. Wasn't I agreeing with you earlier even though we weren't agreeing in the other thread? There's no connection between the threads, and I don't have any hard feelings for you. 8)

There is a connection. You're obviously pathetic enough to resort to "ganging up", since you couldn't win the debate on the other thread. :rolleyes:

Sticking to your opinion is stupid when in your case, it's ignorant and wrong. Not every explosion creates fire, large radius or not. DIY is right, because I wasn't agreeing with him earlier doesn't mean I won't when he's proven that he's right. And besides, I still think Sasori or Tobi would win, as I said in the same post.

Did i ever say that Sasori would win? no. i was explaining that he could survive Deaidra's bombs. I actually did say that i think Pein, or Tobi would win. And i'm sticking to my opinion that Sasori could survive the impact of the bombs. Not that he could win. I do recall you saying that he could survive the impact. What's with the sudden change?

And as you just said, change my opinion even after seeing what I believe to be true shows stubbornness. And you shouldn't lecture me, don't tell me what to do.

When exactly did i tell you what to do?

You know nothing about me, don't tell me to get a life.

omg. ROFL.

um. i do recall you telling me to get a life in the other thread. and also telling me not to be hypocrtical. omg, surprise. you just contradicted yourself again.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 11:48 AM

That might apply in this world, but this is Naruto we're talking about. Big difference.
What a cheap way to back out of an argument you're losing.

That had absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. A bunch of big words, and a certification for transport of dangerous goods, doesn't make your argument right :rolleyes:
*facepalm* What are you some degenerate redneck? Those weren't big words and the certificate means I know what I'm talking about vs you who is pretending to know what he's talking about.

You may be right, but either way, it doesn't mean Deaidra's bombs would've worked as effectively on the outside as the inside. Yet again, i say this is NARUTO.
Contradictory to the post above as well as trying to save face for looking like an idiot.

That web page proved absolutley nothing. send me a link, and think i won't read it? that has nothing to do with this whatsoever. :rolleyes:
And yet you're the one saying big explosions=fire so I give you a link disproving that and you say it isn't relevant? *epic facepalm*

Anyway, i think you're missing the point of my debate. Sasori could survive the blast. That was my simple point this whole time.
And yet after Ive just proved you wrong on every point you have you still stick to your opinion.

I think you're getting a bit too serious, and determined to prove your point. it's quite pathetic actually.
Fuck now you're just making me angry. Please cut your hands off so I don't have to read your stupidity at 3 am in the morning.

There is a connection. You're obviously pathetic enough to resort to "ganging up", since you couldn't win the debate on the other thread. :rolleyes:
Yes its a big conspiracy to show you who's the boss around here and you're the victim. Go cry to some who cares to hear your obscene theories.

Did i ever say that Sasori would win? no. i was explaining that he could survive Deaidra's bombs.
And failed so horribly you resorted to the "real life doesn't apply to Naruto" and the ever so lame "they are all out to get me" conspiracy defenses.

I actually did say that i think Pein, or Tobi would win.
Wow a half decent opinion coming out of your mind...who would have thought?

And i'm sticking to my opinion that Sasori could survive the impact of the bombs.
Wow. You lost an argument and you still stick to your guns. You're about 70 years ahead of the curb with all those old farts who are so set in their ideals that they can't see anything but their own version of the truth.

Not that he could win.
Maybe there's hope for you yet...probably not though.

I do recall you saying that he could survive the impact. What's with the sudden change?
That's what happens when someone who is objective sees proof of a new opinion. That's a common trait that good debaters share: objectivity.

Um. i do recall you telling me to get a life in the other thread. and also telling me not to be hypocrtical. omg, surprise. you just contradicted yourself again.
You should probably keep that to pms. I don't want to know about your e drama.

Jackums

11-05-2008, 12:07 PM

What a cheap way to back out of an argument you're losing.

I didn't continue in this argument to win. Just to prove my simple point. Which you seem to be so "hell bent", against.

*facepalm* What are you some degenerate redneck? Those weren't big words and the certificate means I know what I'm talking about vs you who is pretending to know what he's talking about.

I really don't need to pretend. you're truly pathetic. I'm not sure i should waste the rest of my night arguing with the likes of you :rolleyes:

Contradictory to the post above as well as trying to save face for looking like an idiot.

Trying to "save face"?! ROFL. There's a reason I put "may" in bold. :rolleyes:

And yet you're the one saying big explosions=fire so I give you a link disproving that and you say it isn't relevant? *epic facepalm*

No. I actually said that the bigger the radius, the more likely the possibility of fire will increase.

And yet after Ive just proved you wrong on every point you have you still stick to your opinion.

No. you've given me a lecture about explosives and fire generating. Not particularly related to Naruto.

Fuck now you're just making me angry. Please cut your hands off so I don't have to read your stupidity at 3 am in the morning.

Don't get snappy :lol:

Yes its a big conspiracy to show you who's the boss around here and you're the victim. Go cry to some who cares to hear your obscene theories.

Do you know the meaning of conspiracy? obviously not. I don't think i have to say much more.

And failed so horribly you resorted to the "real life doesn't apply to Naruto" and the ever so lame "they are all out to get me" conspiracy defenses.

Read above.

Wow. You lost an argument and you still stick to your guns. You're about 70 years ahead of the curb with all those old farts who are so set in their ideals that they can't see anything but their own version of the truth.

A well put together sentence. It still doesn't prove anything.

Maybe there's hope for you yet...probably not though.

patheic, -sigh-

That's what happens when someone who is objective sees proof of a new opinion. That's a common trait that good debaters share: objectivity.

Thanks for the lecture :p

You should probably keep that to pms. I don't want to know about your e drama.

I do recall quoting HIM on that. Not you :rolleyes:

Anyway, i really don't care what you say anymore. You really are pathetic. And giving me lectures about explosives doesn't change anything. My point this whole time was "Sasori could survive the impact". And whether you call that "losing the argument" or not, I really don't care. In other words you're saying that it's 100% impossible for Sasori to survive. Since you didn't once consider my side once. Whereas (being a good debater), I considered your side. not out of weakness or loss of rebuttals. in conclusion, I give Sasori a 50/50 chance of survival.
Thanks for the "long and interesting" discussion :rolleyes:
bai. and don't be surprised if i don't reply. have a nice life.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 12:16 PM

I didn't continue in this argument to win. Just to prove my simple point. Which you seem to be so "hell bent", against.

I really don't need to pretend. you're truly pathetic. I'm not sure i should waste the rest of my night arguing with the likes of you :rolleyes:

Trying to "save face"?! ROFL. There's a reason I put "may" in bold. :rolleyes:

No. I actually said that the bigger the radius, the more likely the possibility of fire will increase.

No. you've given me a lecture about explosives and fire generating. Not particularly related to Naruto.

Don't get snappy :lol:

Do you know the meaning of conspiracy? obviously not. I don't think i have to say much more.

Read above.

A well put together sentence. It still doesn't prove anything.

patheic, -sigh-

Thanks for the lecture :p

I do recall quoting HIM on that. Not you :rolleyes:

Anyway, i really don't care what you say anymore. You really are pathetic. And giving me lectures about explosives doesn't change anything. My point this whole time was "Sasori could survive the impact". And whether you call that "losing the argument" or not, I really don't care. In other words you're saying that it's 100% impossible for Sasori to survive. Since you didn't once consider my side once. Whereas (being a good debater), I considered your side. not out of weakness or loss of rebuttals. in conclusion, I give Sasori a 50/50 chance of survival.
Thanks for the "long and interesting" discussion :rolleyes:
bai. and don't be surprised if i don't reply. have a nice life.

Hey look a long post that takes a generally neutral stance which contradicts the last X amount of posts regarding this argument.

I'll have a very nice life now that you're not in it.

Smiley

11-05-2008, 12:30 PM

DIY, Iron sand can be used to stop and re-direct C3.

Considering that Sasori's puppets including Sandaime Kazekage can fly, he can easily get in range with Deidara and attack with Satetsu Shiguri, most likely ending the fight, hence Deidara hasn't shown the supersonic reaction speed.

Besides, Deidara himself said Sasori was stronger. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/265/11/)

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 12:47 PM

DIY, Iron sand can be used to stop and re-direct C3.
I just went though an entire argument disproving that and did a damn good job at it. if you want to start you better read the entire argument and then make comments.
Don't pull that lame ass crap you did in the Itachi vs Jir thread either. I'm starting to get not so annoyed with you and the last thing I want to see is you act like a dick head outside of that thread as well.

Considering that Sasori's puppets including Sandaime Kazekage can fly, he can easily get in range with Deidara and attack with Satetsu Shiguri, most likely ending the fight, hence Deidara hasn't shown the supersonic reaction speed.
I never said they couldn't. Deidara would lose in the end but he'd kill off pretty well everyone but the strongest along with himself.

Besides, Deidara himself said Sasori was stronger. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/265/11/)

Deidara could own Sasori like no one else given the right opportunity. The nature of Deidara's powers make him extremely dangerous and not to be taken lightly. Like I said before: this doesn't mean he will win it simply means he will take out 3/4th of the members and himself in the process.

Smiley

11-05-2008, 01:26 PM

I just went though an entire argument disproving that and did a damn good job at it. if you want to start you better read the entire argument and then make comments.

I said use Iron sand to REDIRECT it not protect Sasori from the explosion.

D.I.Y Death

11-05-2008, 07:15 PM

I said use Iron sand to REDIRECT it not protect Sasori from the explosion.

That would definitely work for c1 but c3 it a massive ball of fire. Sasori would have to redirect the flames and the shockwave created. I don't think Sasori could redirect it but I'm assuming he's close to the epicenter of the explosion and not by the edge of it. Maybe thats why I don't thik Sasori could redirect it.

Kyuubi.

11-05-2008, 11:35 PM

Tobi and pein.
tobi = madara, like everyone should know
he was the one that summoned teh kyuubi.
pretty strong if you think about it.
pein= 6 ppl that kill jiraiya
jiraiya is a sannin and.. just is supposed to be the strongest one. pein kills him, which means that he's higher than sannin level. BUT if naruto was to fight them, he would win xD

Suicide

11-07-2008, 02:48 AM

Jackums

11-07-2008, 11:43 AM

yeah i would agree with you because madara's eternal mangekyou sharingan can bend space and time and can dodge amaretsu so madara is the strongest akatsuki member

lol. obviously. there's a reason he's the leader :lol:

Katsumi

11-07-2008, 06:04 PM

Yeah, but he can't be perfect all his techniques.
Everybody has a weak point, you know.

D.I.Y Death

11-07-2008, 08:21 PM

Madara would technically in since no one can hit him. Even if they manage to find something he just teleports away and laughs as they get frustrated.

MinatoNamikaze

11-07-2008, 09:00 PM

Pein becasue without a secret he cant be beat by ANYONE. However take out Pein, and Itachi has it.

Muffin

11-08-2008, 04:23 AM

Pein becasue without a secret he cant be beat by ANYONE. However take out Pein, and Itachi has it.

Itachi doesn't have the stamina to outlast the rest of Akatsuki. Pein, Kakazu and Sasori are the only ones with realistic chances to win.

Jackums

11-08-2008, 11:05 AM

Itachi doesn't have the stamina to outlast the rest of Akatsuki. Pein, Kakazu and Sasori are the only ones with realistic chances to win.

ha! and a mod says Sasori has a chance. Well there you go, DIY. :lol:

Butter

11-08-2008, 12:58 PM

^^That doesnt neccessarily meen that your automaticly right.If a mod says something,you shouldnt prove to other members that your right and thier wrong.Maybe te mod was wrong,im just sayin dont do that.

SAM#1

11-08-2008, 05:37 PM

Maybe it would be better if we ranked them instead? (i.e strongest, 2nd, 3rd ect.) Its obvioust that Pein would win otherwise.

Jackums

11-09-2008, 01:06 AM

MinatoNamikaze

11-09-2008, 02:43 AM

Itachi doesn't have the stamina to outlast the rest of Akatsuki. Pein, Kakazu and Sasori are the only ones with realistic chances to win.

Actaully he is smarter and stronger than all of these people combined. He wouldnt be drawn into a fight of 8 vs 1. He would go after people he could easily beat. He is by far the best in akatsuki minus Pein becasue of his secret, thats obviuos to anyone who is not an Anti-Itachi fan, its undeniable. Besides, Itachi doesnt have terrible stamina. He is better than kakashi so he has enough to defeat a few akatsuki memebrs which is all he has to do. Think about sasuno. He only needs it for about 3-5 minutes and he can easily kill or force all other akasuki memebrs to retreat. ANy remaining members would be destroyed by amateratsu or tsukiyomi. Noone has any defence against those. Itachi has this. He is the #1 non-governing ninja in the organization.

vane

11-09-2008, 03:14 AM

MinatoNamikaze

11-09-2008, 03:21 AM

^^ Susanoo is a last resort technique for Itachi. He wont be able to use Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi after using it because if he is forced to bring it out then he is at his last and doesnt have enough chakra to keep using either of those 2 massive chakra drainers.

If he needed to he could use Sasuno first. He is smart. He could gauge whether or not he needs to. Besides he can use 2 amateratsu and a tsukiyomi after anyway. He has been proven to be able to do that. Besides he can just do them in reverse. 2 amateratsus and one tsukiyomi and 3 memebrs are dead, and sasuno would finish the other 5 off easily. And thats thinking that it will be 8 vs 1 against Itachi which wouldnt happen. So while Itachi kills the first THREE singlehandedly (the two immortals and maybe sasori) the other 5 memebrs would be fighting each other. say 2 die in that fight, Itachi has 3 to kill with sasuno. Itachi can easily do that with sasuno and boom, end of Akatsuki

vane

11-09-2008, 03:26 AM

If he needed to he could use Sasuno first
Never. Has never happened, will never happen. No ninja anywhere starts off using his strongest technique. Especially one that drains your life force to use.

Besides he can use 2 amateratsu and a tsukiyomi after anyway. He has been proven to be able to do that.
After using Susanoo :huh:? No he ony used Susanoo once and died shortly after. So he cant use anything afterwards as it weakens himself to much to use.

And I must say this thread is lucky seeing as its in subbed and Pein cant be threw into it with his full powers.

MinatoNamikaze

11-09-2008, 03:37 AM

Never. Has never happened, will never happen. No ninja anywhere starts off using his strongest technique. Especially one that drains your life force to use.

thats caus noones ever had to. If they did they would. Its also a show so they wouldnt but if we took this fight for real and not in entertainment value purposes he woudl if he had to. We cant say they just wouldnt.

After using Susanoo :huh:? No he ony used Susanoo once and died shortly after. So he cant use anything afterwards as it weakens himself to much to use.

If he had enough to do all those techs, it doesnt matter what order they are in, he can do it again. Its like swimming 100 meters, then 500 meters, then 300 meters and then 2000 meters. If you can do that, you can swim 2000meters, 300 meters, 500 meters, and 100 meters. The order is unimportant.

And I must say this thread is lucky seeing as its in subbed and Pein cant be threw into it with his full powers.

Agreed but it really doesnt matter cause you cant beat pein anyway without his secret Thats kinda why hes been unofficially excluded from the fight :p

Muffin

11-09-2008, 09:46 AM

Actaully he is smarter and stronger than all of these people combined. He wouldnt be drawn into a fight of 8 vs 1. He would go after people he could easily beat. He is by far the best in akatsuki minus Pein becasue of his secret, thats obviuos to anyone who is not an Anti-Itachi fan, its undeniable. Besides, Itachi doesnt have terrible stamina. He is better than kakashi so he has enough to defeat a few akatsuki memebrs which is all he has to do. Think about sasuno. He only needs it for about 3-5 minutes and he can easily kill or force all other akasuki memebrs to retreat. ANy remaining members would be destroyed by amateratsu or tsukiyomi. Noone has any defence against those. Itachi has this. He is the #1 non-governing ninja in the organization.

:lmao: Oh boy. You're funny i almost thought you were serious for a second there oh man that's a good one.

But seriously Itachi's a 1-1 kinda fighter unless he bunkers down and pretends to be dead he's not gonna out last Sasori, Kakazu, Pein or especiallyTobi seeing as how he cannot be touched by anything.

Jackums

11-09-2008, 10:14 AM

MinatoNamikaze

11-09-2008, 07:32 PM

:lmao: Oh boy. You're funny i almost thought you were serious for a second there oh man that's a good one.

But seriously Itachi's a 1-1 kinda fighter unless he bunkers down and pretends to be dead he's not gonna out last Sasori, Kakazu, Pein or especiallyTobi seeing as how he cannot be touched by anything.

well he wouldnt. Thats what i was trying to imply by not turning into an 8 vs 1 battle. But 1 v 1 with the execption of Pein, he can beat any of them. But I gave a scenario that he could beat everyone if he had to (minus Pein of course)

P.s. Muffin, Im not even going to start to get into a debate with you concerning Itachi cause we know where that leads us :p :D

Muffin

11-10-2008, 03:34 AM

well he wouldnt. Thats what i was trying to imply by not turning into an 8 vs 1 battle. But 1 v 1 with the execption of Pein, he can beat any of them. But I gave a scenario that he could beat everyone if he had to (minus Pein of course)

P.s. Muffin, Im not even going to start to get into a debate with you concerning Itachi cause we know where that leads us :p :D

Itachi wouldn't win. It's not 1-1 against any of the other Akatsuki. It's a free for all meaning only the ones with the most stamina and variation in attacks will win. Kakazu has a good chance to win because he has to be killed 5 times, Sasori can attack everyone at once, Pein is just better than everyone in Akatsuki and i'm not even gonna go into Tobi's ability. Itachi sucks against more than one opponent and he will more than likely be one of the first to die (along with Konan and Deidara).

Plus i'm not gonna bother arguing with you about anything when it comes to Itachi because you block out all facts and reason.

Jackums

11-10-2008, 10:18 AM

Yea. I agree with Muffin. The final 3 would probably be Pein, Tobi & Sasori.

D.I.Y Death

11-10-2008, 10:57 AM

Itachi wouldn't win. It's not 1-1 against any of the other Akatsuki. It's a free for all meaning only the ones with the most stamina and variation in attacks will win. Kakazu has a good chance to win because he has to be killed 5 times, Sasori can attack everyone at once, Pein is just better than everyone in Akatsuki and i'm not even gonna go into Tobi's ability. Itachi sucks against more than one opponent and he will more than likely be one of the first to die (along with Konan and Deidara).

Plus i'm not gonna bother arguing with you about anything when it comes to Itachi because you block out all facts and reason.

Eh we don't know anything about Konan's jutsu yet. All we have seen is her turn into paper.
I seriously doubt Deidara will be one of the first to die. He definitely won't win but if he can lose two limbs and still dodge and perform jutsu including using an exploding clay clone he's going to mess a ton of people up before someone above his pay grade kills him.

Itachi is screwed. He's a 1vs1 god and this is a ffa. As soon as you take away his 1vs1 MS advantage he's nothing special.

Muffin

11-10-2008, 11:36 AM

Eh we don't know anything about Konan's jutsu yet. All we have seen is her turn into paper.
I seriously doubt Deidara will be one of the first to die. He definitely won't win but if he can lose two limbs and still dodge and perform jutsu including using an exploding clay clone he's going to mess a ton of people up before someone above his pay grade kills him.

Itachi is screwed. He's a 1vs1 god and this is a ffa. As soon as you take away his 1vs1 MS advantage he's nothing special.

Konan is fighting against Kisame. Kisame can absolutely drench the battlefield rendering her useless.

Deidara doesn't have much going for him defensively. A scratch from Sasori, one grab from Kakazu, one drop of blood eaten by Hidan etc. Not saying Deidara won't cause some massive damage before he goes, but he will be one of the first to die imo.

Jackums

11-10-2008, 11:43 AM

MinatoNamikaze

11-10-2008, 05:11 PM

D.I.Y Death

11-10-2008, 08:38 PM

Konan is fighting against Kisame. Kisame can absolutely drench the battlefield rendering her useless.

Deidara doesn't have much going for him defensively. A scratch from Sasori, one grab from Kakazu, one drop of blood eaten by Hidan etc. Not saying Deidara won't cause some massive damage before he goes, but he will be one of the first to die imo.

Waaaaaay to early to say anything about Konan. Sure that can happen but maybe thats less of an issue than you think it is. I don't know you don't know.

Deidara is a pure long range offensive support type. If the others don't focus on him immediately chances are Deidara will be one of the last ones to to die since he is incredibly clever and destructive.
Who can hit Deidara has he flies hundreds of feet in the air?
Tobi
Pein
maybe Sasori (Deidara has dodges multiple targets at once while formulating a plan via Gaara battle)

The rest simply won't be able to hit him...he's too agile and quick witted.
He also can kill pretty much everyone with a single bomb except for Tobi.
c3 would kill anyone caught off guard and c4 would kill anyone infected. Tobi can phase out or teleport away so he's unaffected. Pein's bodies won't survive blowing up from the inside out since there won't be anywhere for the chakra receivers to be(unless he hasn't summoned all his bodies he's done for). Susano might save Itachi but its not a direct attack so maybe not. Kakuzu won't have a place for his 5 hearts if his body blows up from the inside out. The rest are screwed unless Konan has some awesome skill we haven't seen yet.

This isn't saying Deidara will win but he was definitely one of the strongest and most destructive members of Akatsuki.

MinatoNamikaze

11-10-2008, 11:18 PM

Waaaaaay to early to say anything about Konan. Sure that can happen but maybe thats less of an issue than you think it is. I don't know you don't know.

Deidara is a pure long range offensive support type. If the others don't focus on him immediately chances are Deidara will be one of the last ones to to die since he is incredibly clever and destructive.
Who can hit Deidara has he flies hundreds of feet in the air?
Tobi
Pein
maybe Sasori (Deidara has dodges multiple targets at once while formulating a plan via Gaara battle)

The rest simply won't be able to hit him...he's too agile and quick witted.
He also can kill pretty much everyone with a single bomb except for Tobi.
c3 would kill anyone caught off guard and c4 would kill anyone infected. Tobi can phase out or teleport away so he's unaffected. Pein's bodies won't survive blowing up from the inside out since there won't be anywhere for the chakra receivers to be(unless he hasn't summoned all his bodies he's done for). Susano might save Itachi but its not a direct attack so maybe not. Kakuzu won't have a place for his 5 hearts if his body blows up from the inside out. The rest are screwed unless Konan has some awesome skill we haven't seen yet.

This isn't saying Deidara will win but he was definitely one of the strongest and most destructive members of Akatsuki.

Deidara dosent stand a chance against Deidara, Tobi, or Itachi. Deidara can attack with his puppets, Tobi can teleport behind him, and Itachi has amateratsu, tsukiyomi, and sasuno to kill him with and block his bombs.

D.I.Y Death

11-11-2008, 12:48 AM

Deidara dosent stand a chance against Deidara, Tobi, or Itachi. Deidara can attack with his puppets, Tobi can teleport behind him, and Itachi has amateratsu, tsukiyomi, and sasuno to kill him with and block his bombs.

So susano now stops Itachi from breathing eh? Let me guess its now a time bubble where he creates his own atmosphere that can sustain life! And Sasori (not Deidara) has pores for c4 to enter (wood/flesh is porous). Tobi is a given and I pointed that out.

caleb08

11-11-2008, 12:51 AM

Pein would of course win!

but are we reffering to when itachi and the others were alive or are we talking about the current akatsuki?

sorry if you have said it recently i didn't want to read the entire thread!

Muffin

11-11-2008, 03:55 AM

well I agree Itahci is "a 1v1 god" (not my words Muffin). But if you think about it, he is also good at 1 v ?. He helped wipe out the uchiha clan meaning he faced at least 10 shinobi at once for the whole massacre. Als as I have stated before, if he uses 2 amateratsu and one tsukiyomi, thats a succesful 1 vs 3 victory and once he uses sasuno, theres a few more powerful shinobi down the drain. Besides, he wouldnt be the leader of anbu at 13 if he could only figth 1v1 battles. We NEVER saw him at FULL stregnth at any point during the series.

Your comments are stricken from the record because of the following:
1. Itachi is not vsing a bunch of amateurs he's vsing some people who wiped out entire countries and are kage level in their abilities.
2. You make too many assumptions.
3. Itachi couldn't have taken out the Uchiha's without Madara.
4. Sasuke confirmed that there was no way Itachi could've made it past Anbu alone, while Akatsuki are way above Anbu.
5. Your a rabid Itachi fanboy and disregard too many facts.

Waaaaaay to early to say anything about Konan. Sure that can happen but maybe thats less of an issue than you think it is. I don't know you don't know.

Deidara is a pure long range offensive support type. If the others don't focus on him immediately chances are Deidara will be one of the last ones to to die since he is incredibly clever and destructive.
Who can hit Deidara has he flies hundreds of feet in the air?
Tobi
Pein
maybe Sasori (Deidara has dodges multiple targets at once while formulating a plan via Gaara battle)

The rest simply won't be able to hit him...he's too agile and quick witted.
He also can kill pretty much everyone with a single bomb except for Tobi.
c3 would kill anyone caught off guard and c4 would kill anyone infected. Tobi can phase out or teleport away so he's unaffected. Pein's bodies won't survive blowing up from the inside out since there won't be anywhere for the chakra receivers to be(unless he hasn't summoned all his bodies he's done for). Susano might save Itachi but its not a direct attack so maybe not. Kakuzu won't have a place for his 5 hearts if his body blows up from the inside out. The rest are screwed unless Konan has some awesome skill we haven't seen yet.

This isn't saying Deidara will win but he was definitely one of the strongest and most destructive members of Akatsuki.

Like i said Deidara will easily heavily damage before he goes, but in all likelihood he's gonna be one of the first to die in my opinion. There are plenty of variables in the battle but i just can't see Deidara lasting very long at all. Not taking anything away from Deidara (he's one of my favourite characters) i simply can't see him out lasting Kakazu, Sasori or Pein.

Just to add on wood isn't affected by C4, the forest Deidara used it in was fine so Sasori's puppets would be fine aswell.

D.I.Y Death

11-11-2008, 07:38 AM

Your comments are stricken from the record because of the following:
1. Itachi is not vsing a bunch of amateurs he's vsing some people who wiped out entire countries and are kage level in their abilities.
2. You make too many assumptions.
3. Itachi couldn't have taken out the Uchiha's without Madara.
4. Sasuke confirmed that there was no way Itachi could've made it past Anbu alone, while Akatsuki are way above Anbu.
5. Your a rabid Itachi fanboy and disregard too many facts.

Like i said Deidara will easily heavily damage before he goes, but in all likelihood he's gonna be one of the first to die in my opinion. There are plenty of variables in the battle but i just can't see Deidara lasting very long at all. Not taking anything away from Deidara (he's one of my favourite characters) i simply can't see him out lasting Kakazu, Sasori or Pein.

Just to add on wood isn't affected by C4, the forest Deidara used it in was fine so Sasori's puppets would be fine aswell.

Not to nit pick too much since we essentially have the same view but C4 infects through the respiratory system and through the pores.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Exploding_Clay
Its also stated in the manga but I'm not digging through chapters to find that specific page so I'll just link to a reliable site for all your Naruto information.

Jackums

11-11-2008, 12:09 PM

Not to nit pick too much since we essentially have the same view but C4 infects through the respiratory system and through the pores.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Exploding_Clay
Its also stated in the manga but I'm not digging through chapters to find that specific page so I'll just link to a reliable site for all your Naruto information.

omg. you're seriously still going on about that? Deidra would be one of the first to die. The Akatsuki KNOW that he'd be an extremely large threat to them, if they allowed him to become airbourne, or use any of his bombs. The Akatsuki aren't revered just for their power. Also because of their intelligence. The other members would defiantely target Deidra first, knowing that they would most likely die, if they didn't. Unless they had a death wish. I really don't see why you're still arguing for him. Seriously, they're not a bunch of wild dogs. Deidra would be at the top of their hit list the moment the battle commenced, knowing that once they killed him, they'd have a chance of survival. And with all of the Akatsuki member's individual/unique abilities, Deidra would drop like a fly. End of story.

Butter

11-11-2008, 12:25 PM

Smiley

11-11-2008, 01:47 PM

4. Sasuke confirmed that there was no way Itachi could've made it past Anbu alone, while Akatsuki are way above Anbu.

What?
Are you suggesting Itachi is anbu-level..?

Muffin

11-11-2008, 01:59 PM

What?
Are you suggesting Itachi is anbu-level..?

No i meant that Sasuke said that Itachi couldn't have gotten away from Anbu without someone elses help. The odds of him lasting long against 9 other people who are all kage level doesn't bode well for him.

Smiley

11-11-2008, 02:11 PM

No i meant that Sasuke said that Itachi couldn't have gotten away from Anbu without someone elses help. The odds of him lasting long against 9 other people who are all kage level doesn't bode well for him.

Ah.
Sorry, I misinterpreted it.

I agree, he can't win this, but can take out at least a few members before wearing out completely imo.

MinatoNamikaze

11-11-2008, 08:36 PM

Your comments are stricken from the record because of the following:

stricken from the record, lol, muffin you never cease to make me laugh.

1. Itachi is not vsing a bunch of amateurs he's vsing some people who wiped out entire countries and are kage level in their abilities.

It doesnt matter what level you are. Even a Kage would be desimated by amateratsu. The 8 tails was easily destroyed by it.

2. You make too many assumptions.

I dont assume anything

3. Itachi couldn't have taken out the Uchiha's without Madara.

nobody could, not even madara so I dont see your point

4. Sasuke confirmed that there was no way Itachi could've made it past Anbu alone, while Akatsuki are way above Anbu.

What are you talking about. I dont understand what your trying to say.

5. Your a rabid Itachi fanboy and disregard too many facts.

And your a "rabid" ANTI-Itachi fanboy and disregard all facts that make Itachi so powerful.

D.I.Y Death

11-11-2008, 09:11 PM

omg. you're seriously still going on about that? Deidra would be one of the first to die. The Akatsuki KNOW that he'd be an extremely large threat to them, if they allowed him to become airbourne, or use any of his bombs. The Akatsuki aren't revered just for their power. Also because of their intelligence. The other members would defiantely target Deidra first, knowing that they would most likely die, if they didn't. Unless they had a death wish. I really don't see why you're still arguing for him. Seriously, they're not a bunch of wild dogs. Deidra would be at the top of their hit list the moment the battle commenced, knowing that once they killed him, they'd have a chance of survival. And with all of the Akatsuki member's individual/unique abilities, Deidra would drop like a fly. End of story.

Its a ffa not a collaboration to take out the most powerful first. You're listing a scenario. So unless you have proof they are all going to team up to kill Deidara first shut up :)

stricken from the record, lol, muffin you never cease to make me laugh.

It doesnt matter what level you are. Even a Kage would be desimated by amateratsu. The 8 tails was easily destroyed by it.

I dont assume anything

nobody could, not even madara so I dont see your point

What are you talking about. I dont understand what your trying to say.

And your a "rabid" ANTI-Itachi fanboy and disregard all facts that make Itachi so powerful.
Guy...Itachi won't make it until the end. He doesn't have enough chakra and he's meant for 1vs1. Not a ffa. He'll definitely mess a few up but then someone is going to mess him up.

MinatoNamikaze

11-12-2008, 03:45 AM

Its a ffa not a collaboration to take out the most powerful first. You're listing a scenario. So unless you have proof they are all going to team up to kill Deidara first shut up :)

Guy...Itachi won't make it until the end. He doesn't have enough chakra and he's meant for 1vs1. Not a ffa. He'll definitely mess a few up but then someone is going to mess him up.

Well you right in one sense. If he doesnt defeat EVERYONE after he uses 2 amateratsu's a tsukiyomi and sasuno then he wont make it for sure, but if he managaes to finish everyone off with sasuno then he could win. He would at least take out by far the most people

D.I.Y Death

11-12-2008, 04:08 AM

Well you right in one sense. If he doesnt defeat EVERYONE after he uses 2 amateratsu's a tsukiyomi and sasuno then he wont make it for sure, but if he managaes to finish everyone off with sasuno then he could win. He would at least take out by far the most people

He won't finish everyone off. The odds against him are astronomical. Just like Deidara he will kick his fair share of ass and then die to someone stronger.

Jackums

11-12-2008, 08:52 PM

Its a ffa not a collaboration to take out the most powerful first. You're listing a scenario. So unless you have proof they are all going to team up to kill Deidara first shut up :)

You can't tell me to shut up because you don't agree with my opinion. And stop using the "you need proof" excuse to reason your way out of what i said. Its got nothing to do with a scenario, since in almost every scenario, i am 99% sure, they will go for Deidra. If he attempts to go airbourne, they know he's going to use his clay bombs, and would definately target him, unless they had a death wish. If he didn't go airbourne, then he's one of the weakest members, since his power lyes in his clay bombs. Which will also make him a target, knowing that once he's gone they don't have to worry about some mass explosion that would kill most/all of them. And irreguardless of the fact that you interpret this as a scenario doesn't matter. Since this would fit into any scenario/battle. Deidra is easily going to be the first target in ANY battle. So don't use the "That's just a scenario" excuse. You know i'm right. And you can be as stubborn as you want. Either way, I made my point.

Well you right in one sense. If he doesnt defeat EVERYONE after he uses 2 amateratsu's a tsukiyomi and sasuno then he wont make it for sure, but if he managaes to finish everyone off with sasuno then he could win. He would at least take out by far the most people

I agree that he could defeat a few people. It just depends on who targets him first. If it's a weaker member, he'll most likely kill a few of the other members. But if he gets targeted by a stronger member at the beginning of the battle, he won't really have a chance to kill anyone.

D.I.Y Death

11-13-2008, 12:03 AM

You can't tell me to shut up because you don't agree with my opinion. And stop using the "you need proof" excuse to reason your way out of what i said. Its got nothing to do with a scenario, since in almost every scenario, i am 99% sure, they will go for Deidra. If he attempts to go airbourne, they know he's going to use his clay bombs, and would definately target him, unless they had a death wish. If he didn't go airbourne, then he's one of the weakest members, since his power lyes in his clay bombs. Which will also make him a target, knowing that once he's gone they don't have to worry about some mass explosion that would kill most/all of them. And irreguardless of the fact that you interpret this as a scenario doesn't matter. Since this would fit into any scenario/battle. Deidra is easily going to be the first target in ANY battle. So don't use the "That's just a scenario" excuse. You know i'm right. And you can be as stubborn as you want. Either way, I made my point.

So let me get this straight a bunch of back stabbing assholes are going to pause in a ffa say "lets kill him first" and all team up and not one of them is going to use that chance to back stab? Sasori Hidan Madara Itachi and Kakuzu are the smart ones. Madara won't care since he won't be effected. Pein most likely won't die. That leaves 2 smart members who don't care that would probably back stab the two smart ones who do care. And the two who don't care are stronger than the ones who do care. Plant boy just watches everything. Hidan will back stab the first chance he gets since he's so stupid it isn't even funny. Kisame doesn't seem smart or stupid but he does seem especially vicious and like the kind of guy who would take advantage of any situation to win.

Point being the moment someone turns their back they are going to get killed. They aren't boy scouts and this isn't Sunday with the Pentecostals.

You're thinking is far too logical for flawed minds and you're removing the human aspect from this battle by assuming they are all smart and well mannered. That is where your logic fails.

MinatoNamikaze

11-13-2008, 12:35 AM

He won't finish everyone off. The odds against him are astronomical. Just like Deidara he will kick his fair share of ass and then die to someone stronger.

well its not astronomical odds. Three people die with three attacks 3/8 down (I think theres 9 total with tobi and Pein, correct me if Im wrong). Say sasuno takes out three more, everyone in akasuki is dead except Tobi and Madara and Itachi. Obviously Itachi doesnt stand a chance at killing those two if he kills everyone else first with his MS, so ya he dies and madara and Pein battle it out. Sasuno couldnt beat Madara becasue madara knows about it and can counter it (well hes had 100 + years to figure out how to) and Itachi isint anywhere near capable of even thinking of fighting anyone, especialy pein after using his MS techs like that, so I agree he wouldnt win, but he could "easily" tkae out all of akatsuki minus the leaders. Like smiley said earlier hes a shiobi meant for quick fights, so all this would go down extreemly fast (10 minutes tops IMO)

D.I.Y Death

11-13-2008, 01:14 AM

well its not astronomical odds. Three people die with three attacks 3/8 down (I think theres 9 total with tobi and Pein, correct me if Im wrong). Say sasuno takes out three more, everyone in akasuki is dead except Tobi and Madara and Itachi. Obviously Itachi doesnt stand a chance at killing those two if he kills everyone else first with his MS, so ya he dies and madara and Pein battle it out. Sasuno couldnt beat Madara becasue madara knows about it and can counter it (well hes had 100 + years to figure out how to) and Itachi isint anywhere near capable of even thinking of fighting anyone, especialy pein after using his MS techs like that, so I agree he wouldnt win, but he could "easily" tkae out all of akatsuki minus the leaders. Like smiley said earlier hes a shiobi meant for quick fights, so all this would go down extreemly fast (10 minutes tops IMO)

You're just listing scenarios though. There's 1000 ways for everything to go down. Itachi isn't suited for battles like this since he's a genjutsu master. The general fact is Itachi is screwed because he can't hit them all at once.

Muffin

11-13-2008, 03:27 AM

well its not astronomical odds. Three people die with three attacks 3/8 down (I think theres 9 total with tobi and Pein, correct me if Im wrong). Say sasuno takes out three more, everyone in akasuki is dead except Tobi and Madara and Itachi. Obviously Itachi doesnt stand a chance at killing those two if he kills everyone else first with his MS, so ya he dies and madara and Pein battle it out. Sasuno couldnt beat Madara becasue madara knows about it and can counter it (well hes had 100 + years to figure out how to) and Itachi isint anywhere near capable of even thinking of fighting anyone, especialy pein after using his MS techs like that, so I agree he wouldnt win, but he could "easily" tkae out all of akatsuki minus the leaders. Like smiley said earlier hes a shiobi meant for quick fights, so all this would go down extreemly fast (10 minutes tops IMO)

Itachi ain't gonna kill most of Akatsuki with his techniques. Tsukiyomi won't even affect a few of them. Amaterasu can be blocked. and noone is dumb enough to let Itachi hit them with Susanoo. He'll be lucky to hit off one Amaterasu before someone like Sasori hits him with a poison needle or something and kills him.

vane

11-13-2008, 04:25 AM

Sasuno couldnt beat Madara becasue madara knows about it and can counter it (well hes had 100 + years to figure out how to)
Now Im not saying Madara doesnt know about it but he hasnt had 100 plus years to have figured out a way to beat it. He's only had since Itachi awoke it on that night to figure it out. Because going by what you just said, you would be saying Madara has it since Itachi wasnt there over 100 years ago. But we cant just assume he ahs it unless theres proof he does.

Jackums

11-13-2008, 09:52 AM

So let me get this straight a bunch of back stabbing assholes are going to pause in a ffa say "lets kill him first" and all team up and not one of them is going to use that chance to back stab? Sasori Hidan Madara Itachi and Kakuzu are the smart ones. Madara won't care since he won't be effected. Pein most likely won't die. That leaves 2 smart members who don't care that would probably back stab the two smart ones who do care. And the two who don't care are stronger than the ones who do care. Plant boy just watches everything. Hidan will back stab the first chance he gets since he's so stupid it isn't even funny. Kisame doesn't seem smart or stupid but he does seem especially vicious and like the kind of guy who would take advantage of any situation to win.

Point being the moment someone turns their back they are going to get killed. They aren't boy scouts and this isn't Sunday with the Pentecostals.

You're thinking is far too logical for flawed minds and you're removing the human aspect from this battle by assuming they are all smart and well mannered. That is where your logic fails.

Tone down the language. I'm guessing President of TN needs to set an example for other members, correct?

Anyway, it doesn't matter if all of them aren't intelligent. They just need common sense. eg. Bombs=Bad.
And like you said earlier, THAT is just a scenario you made up. You don't know WHO will "backstab" who. On the other hand, my "scenario is almost definate, and much more accurate.

Seriously. They're not going to need to be rocket scientists to know that Deidra should be at the top of the hit list. And i never said they'd work together. But most members would have a shot at him, and most definately succeed. Although, I don't doubt SOME of them would try attck the others at this time. but either way, they'll know that a guy with bombs that could level cities, is worst then a guy with a sword, trying to cut you. You can make all of the excuses and snappy comebacks you want, but i'm right. and you know it. Get over the fact that you're not always right. and tone down that ego a bit, it's filling up this forum :rolleyes:

D.I.Y Death

11-13-2008, 10:28 AM

Tone down the language. I'm guessing President of TN needs to set an example for other members, correct?

Its called real life. If you are offended by some moderately harsh language that isn't directed at you I suggest a reality check. Or are you one of those types that gets sensitive to certain things in order to frustrate people and give yourself a false sense of superiority?

Anyway, it doesn't matter if all of them aren't intelligent. They just need common sense. eg. Bombs=Bad.
6 bodies=bad
dozens of poisoned puppets=bad
MS/EMS=bad

I could go on if you would like but I'm pretty sure you get the point.

And like you said earlier, THAT is just a scenario you made up. You don't know WHO will "backstab" who. On the other hand, my "scenario is almost definate, and much more accurate.
So what makes your scenario more accurate exactly? At least mine is backed up by Deidara using his clay bird in every fight he's been in as well as C3 or more powerful explosives.

Seriously. They're not going to need to be rocket scientists to know that Deidra should be at the top of the hit list. And i never said they'd work together.
That's what you're implying. You're also implying that they will all go after Deidara.

But most members would have a shot at him, and most definately succeed.
Proof?

Although, I don't doubt SOME of them would try attck the others at this time.
You're dealing with criminals who are trying to profit off of war. Pein and madara aren't in any danger so they won't care about Deidara's bombs. Hidan just wants to kill. Kisame Sasori Itachi Zetsu and Konan are the only ones left who would even think of stopping Deidara. The rest simply don't care because they are either too stupid or won't die from the bombs. Now if we look at this in a rational way Pein has 6 bodes plus summons. That alone will have everyone occupied and you're suggesting that they all focus on and kill the guy who lost both arms and still managed to create an exploding clay clone and nearly kill a team of highly skilled ninja? Sorry but if anything your expectations are unrealistic for very obvious reasons and completely based off of a scenario.

but either way, they'll know that a guy with bombs that could level cities, is worst then a guy with a sword, trying to cut you.
Only one has a sword and it doesn't cut: it shaves.

You can make all of the excuses and snappy comebacks you want, but i'm right. and you know it.
No you're blatantly wrong and stubborn about it. Just because you think a bunch of criminals who want to profit off of human misery will team up to take out the biggest threat doesn't mean its going to happen.

Get over the fact that you're not always right.
You don't even know me and you're presuming that I think I'm always right? Even when smiley pisses me off he doesn't pull this kindergarten kiddie crap so stop trying to antagonize me because eventually its going to work.

and tone down that ego a bit, it's filling up this forum :rolleyes:
My ego has nothing to do with this. But nice passive aggressive remark if it wasn't so typical and ironic I might actually think you had some form of wit.

Smiley

11-13-2008, 12:45 PM

That's what you're implying. You're also implying that they will all go after Deidara.

Well there's Sasori who knows about Deidara's fighting style and even experienced C3 first-hand.

Also he can deal with multiple opponents at the same time, so he can defend himself from the incoming attacks while sending his puppets to poison Deidara.

D.I.Y Death

11-13-2008, 12:56 PM

Well there's Sasori who knows about Deidara's fighting style and even experienced C3 first-hand.

Also he can deal with multiple opponents at the same time, so he can defend himself from the incoming attacks while sending his puppets to poison Deidara.

He's pretty well the only one who can though and the only one that knows exactly how screwed he is if Deidara manages to unleash C3 or above. But that being said there's dozens of different ways this could go down. Chances are Deidara won't be the first to die considering the guy has lost limbs and laughed about it and still managed to win a fight against a superior opponent only to lose another limb and nearly kill off some of the strongest shinobi kohona has to offer while managing to escape. He sure as hell won't win but he'll be one of the last ones standing 9/10 times.

MinatoNamikaze

11-14-2008, 12:05 AM

Itachi ain't gonna kill most of Akatsuki with his techniques. Tsukiyomi won't even affect a few of them. Amaterasu can be blocked. and noone is dumb enough to let Itachi hit them with Susanoo. He'll be lucky to hit off one Amaterasu before someone like Sasori hits him with a poison needle or something and kills him.

Tsukiyomi affects EVERYONE. Until we have physical PROOF (and not just assumptions) that it does not, it does affect everyone. But to appease you well say it cant affect sasori. Itachi uses tsukiyomi on say deidara. 1 down. Two quick shots of Amateratsu on Hidan and Kakuzu (spl), 3 down. Sasuno is summoned, it strikes kisame, zetsu and sasori. Thats leaves Pein and Madara. Like I said before he cant beat them with sasuno becasue hell be completely wiped out at this point, so no he doesnt win but he puts madara against Pein (epic showdown). Tsukiyomi lasts less than a second, hidan and kakazu cant dodge amateratsu, and the others cant dodge sasuno's lighting fast sword.

Muffin

11-14-2008, 01:08 AM

Tsukiyomi affects EVERYONE. Until we have physical PROOF (and not just assumptions) that it does not, it does affect everyone. But to appease you well say it cant affect sasori. Itachi uses tsukiyomi on say deidara. 1 down. Two quick shots of Amateratsu on Hidan and Kakuzu (spl), 3 down. Sasuno is summoned, it strikes kisame, zetsu and sasori. Thats leaves Pein and Madara. Like I said before he cant beat them with sasuno becasue hell be completely wiped out at this point, so no he doesnt win but he puts madara against Pein (epic showdown). Tsukiyomi lasts less than a second, hidan and kakazu cant dodge amateratsu, and the others cant dodge sasuno's lighting fast sword.

Two things: first you forgot Konan. Second it baffles me how you seem to think Itachi is gods gift to Akatsuki and that no other member is strong, fast or smart or something. :confused:

Assuming Itachi can even land Tsukiyomi on anyone (which chances are slim because noone going to stop to look Itachi in the eyes with all the attacks flying around). Hidan will just get off on Tsukiyomi, Sasori feels no pain, Kakazu has more than 1 chakra system in his body, Deidara has actually worked to break sharingan genjutsu, Zetsu knows way too much about all of Itachi's attacks to get hit by any of them and Pein is freaking Pein 'nuff said.

Why would Amaterasu finish off Kakazu....? He survived an attack on a cellular level i doubt some flames would break his body beyond repair when he still has hearts left. Susanoo won't hit Zetsu because he'll more than likely just hide in the ground until he gets his opportunity to do whatever he does. You also seem to forget that none of Akatsuki are Orochimaru so they're not going to let them hit them either. Everyone will just dodge Susanoo. Itachi won't make it anywhere near the end.

Jackums

11-14-2008, 09:45 AM

Its called real life. If you are offended by some moderately harsh language that isn't directed at you I suggest a reality check. Or are you one of those types that gets sensitive to certain things in order to frustrate people and give yourself a false sense of superiority?

Did i say anyone would be offended? no. i said you should be setting an example, being president of TN. Get your facts right.

6 bodies=bad
dozens of poisoned puppets=bad
MS/EMS=bad

Yes. But can any of them kill every member of the Akatsuki at once? I don't think so. That was an extremely bad comparison. Since none of those abilities have the destructive capabilities that c3 does.

I could go on if you would like but I'm pretty sure you get the point.

I get that your points are wrong.

So what makes your scenario more accurate exactly? At least mine is backed up by Deidara using his clay bird in every fight he's been in as well as C3 or more powerful explosives.

Can you read? My post about the akatsuki members going for Deidra first unless they wanted to die, explains it all.

That's what you're implying. You're also implying that they will all go after Deidara.

Are you stupid? [retorical question] There's a difference between having the same goal, and going about it individually, as opposed to working together to complete that goal. So what you're saying is, is that because most of the akatsuki members are trying to kill Deidra, they're working together? Um..no. You can individually go for the same person without being on a "team" or working together :rolleyes:

Proof?

That proof excuse is getting old. How can we give proof of a battle scenario that we're making up right now? :rolleyes:

You're dealing with criminals who are trying to profit off of war. Pein and madara aren't in any danger so they won't care about Deidara's bombs. Hidan just wants to kill. Kisame Sasori Itachi Zetsu and Konan are the only ones left who would even think of stopping Deidara. The rest simply don't care because they are either too stupid or won't die from the bombs. Now if we look at this in a rational way Pein has 6 bodes plus summons. That alone will have everyone occupied and you're suggesting that they all focus on and kill the guy who lost both arms and still managed to create an exploding clay clone and nearly kill a team of highly skilled ninja? Sorry but if anything your expectations are unrealistic for very obvious reasons and completely based off of a scenario.

Yet again i say, read my other posts. I've given you the "scenario" [as you keep saying]. And yes, that's exactly WHY they'd go for him. Because they know he can survive a lot. Best to kill the one that's the biggest threat first, right? And yes, Pein & Madara are obviously bigger threats. But it's obvious none of the other members could kill them. And they know that. Either way, they'd still go for Deidra. Also, i see you're quite the hipocrit....

""Pein's bodies won't survive blowing up from the inside out since there won't be anywhere for the chakra receivers to be(unless he hasn't summoned all his bodies he's done for).""

Your words. Weren't you JUST saying that Pein wouldn't be worried about Deidra since he could survive the impact of c3?

Only one has a sword and it doesn't cut: it shaves.

It was a metaphor. Learn it.

No you're blatantly wrong and stubborn about it. Just because you think a bunch of criminals who want to profit off of human misery will team up to take out the biggest threat doesn't mean its going to happen.

And just because you dis-agree with my opinion, it doesn't mean you're right either.

You don't even know me and you're presuming that I think I'm always right? Even when smiley pisses me off he doesn't pull this kindergarten kiddie crap so stop trying to antagonize me because eventually its going to work.

I've had enough arguments with you to know that you're up yourself. And a few members have told me you're an ass, and you have an immensly over-sized ego. but i won't be a snitch & give out names. I don't want them to have to put up with this as well. :rolleyes:

My ego has nothing to do with this. But nice passive aggressive remark if it wasn't so typical and ironic I might actually think you had some form of wit.

How was that ironic? I'm not stupid. I know what ironic means, so don't go throw together a bunch of big words & think that i'll go along with it.

Smiley

11-14-2008, 11:56 AM

Everyone will just dodge Susanoo. Itachi won't make it anywhere near the end.

You're making it seem like Totsuka no Tsurugi is incredibly easy to dodge.
It ripped Orochimaru's strongest technique apart in matter of seconds, and hit Oro before he could even finish his sentence.
Even if he was being "cocky" it was clear from his expression that he didn't see it coming.

He can beat any of them(except Madara and Pein) individually with this thing.
But I agree he won't last long here due to low chakra capacity.

SAM#1

11-14-2008, 04:20 PM

Inspired by the Akatsuki thread in the Subbed section, but this each member going 1 on 1 with another one until they have all fought.

Note: Orochimaru still has fit arms and isn't sick, Hidan can still be beaten, just not killed, Deidara still has his arms.

I'm not including Pein, Madara, Zetzu or Konan as they are either too strong, not 'fighters' or we haven't seen enough of them in battle.

Anyway here goes, just copy and paste this and put the winner's name besides each fight:

Orochimaru vs Sasori
Hidan vs Kakuzu
Itachi vs Kisame
Kisame vs Hidan
Sasori vs Itachi
Deidara vs Orochimaru
Kakuzu vs Kisame
Itachi vs Orochimaru
Sasori vs Deidara
Hidan vs Orochimaru
Kisame vs Sasori
Itachi vs Deidara
Hidan vs Sasori
Kakuzu vs Deidara
Itachi vs Hidan
Kisame vs Orochimaru
Hidan vs Deidara
Sasori vs Kakuzu
Kakuzu vs Itachi
Kisame vs Deidara
Orochimaru vs Kakauzu

HAWK aren't included.

MinatoNamikaze

11-14-2008, 09:43 PM

Two things: first you forgot Konan. Second it baffles me how you seem to think Itachi is gods gift to Akatsuki and that no other member is strong, fast or smart or something. :confused:

Ok so thourgh Konan in there somwhere. And yes Itachi is Gods gift to Akatsuki. As you have said he is a "god" at 1v1. Minus Pein and presumably Tobi, he is the strongest member so yes he is gods gift to Akatsuki. They all fear Itachis MS.

Assuming Itachi can even land Tsukiyomi on anyone (which chances are slim because noone going to stop to look Itachi in the eyes with all the attacks flying around). Hidan will just get off on Tsukiyomi, Sasori feels no pain, Kakazu has more than 1 chakra system in his body, Deidara has actually worked to break sharingan genjutsu, Zetsu knows way too much about all of Itachi's attacks to get hit by any of them and Pein is freaking Pein 'nuff said.

FIrst off, Gai is the only person that can combat tsukiyomi. He is the only one specially trained to fight someone just by watching thier feet. Deidara counters regualr sharingnan genjutsu not tsukiyomi so Itahci could use tsukiymomi on him. Sasori not feeling pain has nothign to do with tsukiyomi. He can see, smell, adn hear and thus is affected by tsukiyomi. Until there is manga evidence he cant be affected he can. Your not alouf to make assumptions to help your cause and say they are factual. And for zetsu it doesnt matter if he knows about it if he cant fight without looking at Itachis feet. Only Gai can. I dont really remeber much about kakuzu so I dont recall him having multiple chakra systems. I remeber different herats for sure but not systems. Could you give me a link if you have one. And finally Hidan cant get out of it at all. He has no way of doing that. SO theres 4/6 of your invulnerablities to tsukiyomi flushed down the toilet.

Why would Amaterasu finish off Kakazu....? He survived an attack on a cellular level i doubt some flames would break his body beyond repair when he still has hearts left.

Amateratsu burns until there is nothing left to burn. Nothing survivs. There is NO body left to repair. It simply turns to ashes. So Hes dead.

Susanoo won't hit Zetsu because he'll more than likely just hide in the ground until he gets his opportunity to do whatever he does.

What are Zetsus attacks. I havent seen him lift a finger. As far as we know he can only go underground so he can only run for now.

You also seem to forget that none of Akatsuki are Orochimaru so they're not going to let them hit them either. Everyone will just dodge Susanoo. Itachi won't make it anywhere near the end.

Your problem is you EXTREMELY underestimate sasuno. You always say oh well theyll just dodge it. Why didnt the snakes dodge it. Its lighting fast, has not shape and is more deadly than sasoris blades. You cant dodge sasuno for long. Its arguably one of the strongest justsu every. Noone in akatsuki can counter it.

D.I.Y Death

11-14-2008, 10:43 PM

Doctor Octogonapus

11-14-2008, 11:33 PM

Did i say anyone would be offended? no. i said you should be setting an example, being president of TN. Get your facts right.

Yes. But can any of them kill every member of the Akatsuki at once? I don't think so. That was an extremely bad comparison. Since none of those abilities have the destructive capabilities that c3 does.

I get that your points are wrong.

Can you read? My post about the akatsuki members going for Deidra first unless they wanted to die, explains it all.

Are you stupid? [retorical question] There's a difference between having the same goal, and going about it individually, as opposed to working together to complete that goal. So what you're saying is, is that because most of the akatsuki members are trying to kill Deidra, they're working together? Um..no. You can individually go for the same person without being on a "team" or working together :rolleyes:

That proof excuse is getting old. How can we give proof of a battle scenario that we're making up right now? :rolleyes:

Yet again i say, read my other posts. I've given you the "scenario" [as you keep saying]. And yes, that's exactly WHY they'd go for him. Because they know he can survive a lot. Best to kill the one that's the biggest threat first, right? And yes, Pein & Madara are obviously bigger threats. But it's obvious none of the other members could kill them. And they know that. Either way, they'd still go for Deidra. Also, i see you're quite the hipocrit....

""Pein's bodies won't survive blowing up from the inside out since there won't be anywhere for the chakra receivers to be(unless he hasn't summoned all his bodies he's done for).""

Your words. Weren't you JUST saying that Pein wouldn't be worried about Deidra since he could survive the impact of c3?

It was a metaphor. Learn it.

And just because you dis-agree with my opinion, it doesn't mean you're right either.

I've had enough arguments with you to know that you're up yourself. And a few members have told me you're an ass, and you have an immensly over-sized ego. but i won't be a snitch & give out names. I don't want them to have to put up with this as well. :rolleyes:

How was that ironic? I'm not stupid. I know what ironic means, so don't go throw together a bunch of big words & think that i'll go along with it.

You've been given a warning.
It may be reversed and given as a full blown infraction if the rest of the staff aren't feeling nice today.
A few things, and no this isn't a rant this is more like a statement.
1, Stop. That's probably the most important of the things I have to say. I can safely say you lose this debate. Regardless of where you are now, I know you will lose this debate just by that one sad excuse for a post you made.
2, Do not insult other members. That's self-explanatory.
3, I infracted you for a battledome related incident instead of insulting another member because even though you did insult DIY, you also broke various battledome rules such as the stubbornness and pointless debating rule which in case no one knew, there's a stubbornness and pointless debating rule(and that's one rule, not two) because idk about you but dealing with people like Jakk is not fun. This eliminates the possibility that you would have to. So now that that's up in the air you can report for breaking that rule although I must ask that you do so after at least 3 posts of the person breaking the rule.
4, I just plain don't like you. No, no I'm kidding of course, I don't know who you are xD. Drop the attitude. This could fall under the first statement as well but this was important enough to make into a different statement. Drop the attitude because I can safely say that the only thing you're proving is how much of an ass you can make out of yourself. Not only that, but don't insult DIY like that. There are few people(if any although I think I'm one of them at times) on this forum who can out jackass DIY, don't try and beat him at that xD(no offense of course).
5, This has nothing to do with what you said but just in general...Yes I know this long of a post regarding one pointless post is well...pointless. But I was rather bored, I felt that this would be more fun than a quick "Stop doing this" because you're correct I do enjoy doing this, and also because I felt like it.
Anyway to sum up, stop breaking the rules, you've been warned.

caleb08

11-15-2008, 01:36 AM

wre talking about the subbed,not the manga.

if we are talking about the subbed version then why is Pein or Madara in this when we know absolutely nothing about them.

Doctor Octogonapus

11-15-2008, 02:30 AM

You can't tell me to shut up because you don't agree with my opinion.

I swear to God I am one step away from having Venus shut down the forum and make a test on what the word opinion means and if you can't get back into the forum until you pass it because this is just SAD.

If it's arguable, it's not an opinion.

And stop using the "you need proof" excuse to reason your way out of what i said.

:facepalm:
DIY, I'm terribly sorry, it seems my curse has spread to you.

You need proof is not an excuse.
You will use proof in this section.
End of story.
If you don't like that you go to the bookstore where the most I can do is bitch at you.
You need proof is not an excuse and he's not reasoning away from anything, you are by saying demanding proof is an excuse when he wouldn't of demanding proof had you said something logical.

Its got nothing to do with a scenario, since in almost every scenario, i am 99% sure, they will go for Deidra.

You have no proof.

If he attempts to go airbourne, they know he's going to use his clay bombs, and would definately target him, unless they had a death wish.

Logical but no proof to back it up.
Especially since there's one in the air, and 15 on the ground.

So don't use the "That's just a scenario" excuse. You know i'm right. And you can be as stubborn as you want. Either way, I made my point.

You're right.
You made your point.
But he's correct.
That's a scenario, a scenario which cannot be proved so it should not be treated as proof.
Once again, drop the attitude.

I agree that he could defeat a few people.

He could defeat any and all of them.
C5 would without a doubt destroy anyone of them.

Jackums

11-15-2008, 04:45 AM

I stopped reading at
You've been reported and I'm not feeding this troll any longer.

I'm glad you did. Because now i don't have to argue a pointless debate with an ass like you. And as minjasharingan told me, verbal abuse is allowed. So i guess i get to speak up for the people who have been dieing to say that.

Doctor Octogonapus

11-15-2008, 04:48 AM

I'm glad you did. Because now i don't have to argue a pointless debate with an ass like you. And as minjasharingan told me, verbal abuse is allowed. So i guess i get to speak up for the people who have been dieing to say that.

You just got yourself an infraction!
Verbal abuse is allowed but once again insulting another member is not.
Saying you're making an ass out of yourself is alright.
Saying you're an asshole is not.
:lmao:
That made my day.

Jackums

11-15-2008, 07:28 AM

You just got yourself an infraction!
Verbal abuse is allowed but once again insulting another member is not.
Saying you're making an ass out of yourself is alright.
Saying you're an asshole is not.
:lmao:
That made my day.

And you just made an ass of yourself. For those of you who don't know, the following quotes were taken out of messages that majinsharingan sent me.

MAJINSHARINGAN -
Verbal abuse is not against the rules.
Insulting other members, that is.

JACKK15 -
Verbal abuse and insulting are generally the same.

MAJINSHARINGAN -
I know for a fact that they're the same thing.

Well, you just contradicted yourself, and gave an un-justified infraction. Since you told me yourself that verbal abuse wasn't against the rules, and that insulting & verbal abuse were the same thing.

D.I.Y Death

11-15-2008, 07:39 AM

And you just made an ass of yourself. For those of you who don't know, the following quotes were taken out of messages that majinsharingan sent me.

MAJINSHARINGAN -

JACKK15 -

MAJINSHARINGAN -

Well, you just contradicted yourself, and gave an un-justified infraction. Since you told me yourself that verbal abuse wasn't against the rules, and that insulting & verbal abuse were the same thing.
Arguing with mods is stupid and rules can be stretched to fit whatever they feel like stretching them to fit. This being said you can only stretch a rule so far before you break it. Let this be a lesson not to piss off mods. Oh Majin how do I tell someone to to fuck off and die without breaking the rules? Obviously I wouldn't say that to anyone on this forum but if I ever felt the need to I'd like to be extremely politically correct about it.

Jackums

11-15-2008, 07:48 AM

Arguing with mods is stupid and rules can be stretched to fit whatever they feel like stretching them to fit. This being said you can only stretch a rule so far before you break it. Let this be a lesson not to piss off mods. Oh Majin how do I tell someone to to fuck off and die without breaking the rules? Obviously I wouldn't say that to anyone on this forum but if I ever felt the need to I'd like to be extremely politically correct about it.

I'm not even going to bother reading what you said and I'm not arguing with you anymore, DIY. So don't communicate with me, in any way. Bye.

D.I.Y Death

11-15-2008, 08:07 AM

I'm not even going to bother reading what you said and I'm not arguing with you anymore, DIY. So don't communicate with me, in any way. Bye.

That's too bad I found your antics hilarious and your opinions amusing.

Since the competition is out I'll say my opinion again:
The final 3 will be:
Tobi/Madara/whateveryouwanttocallhim
Reason: You can't hit him and he can use space time jutsu to avoid any technique. even the undodgable Amaretsu.
Pain/Pein
Reason: 6 bodies +summons with unique abilities to either neutralize or absorb incoming jutsu along with strong offensive jutsu/rinnegan shared line of sight with all 6 bodies and summons.
Deidara
Reason:C3 can level a city. C4 can kill anything with lungs or pores and cannot be stopped once activated unless you run electricity through yourself. Exploding Clone works as a deadly trap. Clay bird gives an Arial advantage and Ultimate Art creates an explosion 10 kilometers in diameter which incinerates anything caught in the blast.

Jackums

11-15-2008, 08:18 AM

I never said i wasn't going to reply to this thread. I said i wasn't going to reply to you. With an exception to what i just said, obviously.

Anyway, here's my opinion:
Madara or Pein take this for me. For similar reasons to DIY [i can't believe i just said that].

I'm not sure how Pein could even touch Madara since he has time/space jutsu. But, he is quite powerful, and i beleive he has a good chance. A bit more info on Madara and his abilities would be good. But i guess we'll just have to wait for that :lol:

Doctor Octogonapus

11-15-2008, 07:29 PM

And you just made an ass of yourself.

Better to act like an ass than a child.
You should remember that.

MAJINSHARINGAN -

JACKK15 -

MAJINSHARINGAN -

Well, you just contradicted yourself, and gave an un-justified infraction. Since you told me yourself that verbal abuse wasn't against the rules, and that insulting & verbal abuse were the same thing.

I didn't contradict myself at all.
I played the cards into your hands and you foolishly took them.
You said what DIY did in this thread was verbal abuse. So ACCORDING TO YOU, verbal abuse is allowed to a certain extent, when in fact verbal abuse is nothing like what DIY did, you made the mistake of thinking that. If what DIY did was verbal abuse then yes, Verbal abuse is allowed to a certain extent. However, what he did wasn't truly verbal abuse, I was(once again) humoring you. You foolishly believed me and went and insulted him, when I clearly stated several times that it was not allowed. You were a fool to act upon that, especially when I made it pretty damn clear that insulting wasn't allowed. There's not a single person here to blame but yourself. You can go ahead and cover your ears and scream all you want, but we're not babysitting you. This is big-boy time junior, grow up, or leave. I'm not changing any more of your diapers.

Oh Majin how do I tell someone to to fuck off and die without breaking the rules?

Buy him a ticket to Newark.

Jackums

11-16-2008, 06:12 AM

Better to act like an ass than a child.
You should remember that.

I didn't contradict myself at all.
I played the cards into your hands and you foolishly took them.
You said what DIY did in this thread was verbal abuse. So ACCORDING TO YOU, verbal abuse is allowed to a certain extent, when in fact verbal abuse is nothing like what DIY did, you made the mistake of thinking that. If what DIY did was verbal abuse then yes, Verbal abuse is allowed to a certain extent. However, what he did wasn't truly verbal abuse, I was(once again) humoring you. You foolishly believed me and went and insulted him, when I clearly stated several times that it was not allowed. You were a fool to act upon that, especially when I made it pretty damn clear that insulting wasn't allowed. There's not a single person here to blame but yourself. You can go ahead and cover your ears and scream all you want, but we're not babysitting you. This is big-boy time junior, grow up, or leave. I'm not changing any more of your diapers.

Buy him a ticket to Newark.

Thanks for the lecture. Stuff's been sorted out. And, you got my pm? :lol: Thanks.

D.I.Y Death

11-17-2008, 02:06 PM

Buy him a ticket to Newark.
Gold!

Its too bad no one posts in this thread anymore. Ever since myself saying Deidara can kick the crap out of 3/4ths of Akatsuki there hasn't been anything interesting here.

Muffin

11-17-2008, 02:21 PM

Gold!

Its too bad no one posts in this thread anymore. Ever since myself saying Deidara can kick the crap out of 3/4ths of Akatsuki there hasn't been anything interesting here.

Because people replying to something as ludicrous as that would only make it seem possible :p

SAM#1

11-17-2008, 04:26 PM

D.I.Y Death

11-17-2008, 05:12 PM

Because people replying to something as ludicrous as that would only make it seem possible :p

So you're saying microscopic bombs that can only be diffused by electricity aren't going to kill nearly every member?

Orochimaru vs Sasori-Oro
Hidan vs Kakuzu-Kakuzu
Itachi vs Kisame-Itachi
Kisame vs Hidan-Hidan
Sasori vs Itachi-Sasori
Deidara vs Orochimaru-Deidara/tie
Kakuzu vs Kisame-Kakuzu
Itachi vs Orochimaru-Itachi
Sasori vs Deidara-Sasori
Hidan vs Orochimaru-Oro
Kisame vs Sasori-Sasori
Itachi vs Deidara-Deidara
Hidan vs Sasori-Sasori
Kakuzu vs Deidara-Deidara
Itachi vs Hidan-Itachi
Kisame vs Orochimaru-Oro
Hidan vs Deidara-Deidara
Sasori vs Kakuzu-Sasori
Kakuzu vs Itachi-Itachi
Kisame vs Deidara-Deidara
Orochimaru vs Kakauzu-Oro

Itachi pwns anyone 1vs1 except for Deidara since Deidara's trained his eye to counter sharingan genjutsu.

MinatoNamikaze

11-17-2008, 06:04 PM

So you're saying microscopic bombs that can only be diffused by electricity aren't going to kill nearly every member?

Orochimaru vs Sasori-Oro
Hidan vs Kakuzu-Kakuzu
Itachi vs Kisame-Itachi
Kisame vs Hidan-Hidan
Sasori vs Itachi-Sasori
Deidara vs Orochimaru-Deidara/tie
Kakuzu vs Kisame-Kakuzu
Itachi vs Orochimaru-Itachi
Sasori vs Deidara-Sasori
Hidan vs Orochimaru-Oro
Kisame vs Sasori-Sasori
Itachi vs Deidara-Deidara
Hidan vs Sasori-Sasori
Kakuzu vs Deidara-Deidara
Itachi vs Hidan-Itachi
Kisame vs Orochimaru-Oro
Hidan vs Deidara-Deidara
Sasori vs Kakuzu-Sasori
Kakuzu vs Itachi-Itachi
Kisame vs Deidara-Deidara
Orochimaru vs Kakauzu-Oro

Itachi pwns anyone 1vs1 except for Deidara since Deidara's trained his eye to counter sharingan genjutsu.

Deidara only counters regular sharingan genjutsu not Tsukiyomi. He cant even beat sasuke so he doesnt stand a chance against Itachi. Itachi brang him to his knees in no time before and that was just with regualr sharingan

Doctor Octogonapus

11-17-2008, 10:18 PM

Orochimaru vs Sasori

Could go either way, but without knowing more about what Orochimaru can do, I'd say Sasori.

Hidan vs Kakuzu

Logically Hidan would win, because he technically cannot be killed. However I'm guessing Kakuzu knows a way around that so I'd say Kakuzu.

Itachi vs Kisame

Could go either way, I don't wanna get into it.

Kisame vs Hidan

Kisame. Regardless of your mortality, you don't have infinite chakra or stamina.

Sasori vs Itachi

Itachi. Ameratsu, Fire Jutsu, and Genjutsu take this for him.

Deidara vs Orochimaru

For some reason my instincts tell me Deidara. I'm not quite sure how this one would go down so I'll say Deidara.

Kakuzu vs Kisame

Could go either way...

Itachi vs Orochimaru

Itachi already won this.

Sasori vs Deidara

Deidara. Deidara uses explosives, Sasori uses puppets made from thin wood. Common sense tells you who wins this.

Hidan vs Orochimaru

Orochimaru.

Kisame vs Sasori

Kisame.
Samehada takes this for him.

Itachi vs Deidara

Itachi already beat Deidara.

Hidan vs Sasori

Not sure what the poison would do to Hidan, so I'm not sure.

Kakuzu vs Deidara

Could go either way. Regardless of how many hearts you have, an explosion can take out all five.

Itachi vs Hidan

Ameratsu would no doubt destroy Hidan for good, I'll give this to Itachi.

Kisame vs Orochimaru

*getting lazy*

Could go either way.

Hidan vs Deidara

Could go either way.

Sasori vs Kakuzu

Sasori.

Kakuzu vs Itachi

Could go either way.

Kisame vs Deidara

Kisame.

Orochimaru vs Kakauzu

Kakuzu

D.I.Y Death

11-17-2008, 11:37 PM

Deidara only counters regular sharingan genjutsu not Tsukiyomi. He cant even beat sasuke so he doesnt stand a chance against Itachi. Itachi brang him to his knees in no time before and that was just with regualr sharingan
Where did it specify that he trained it to beat only the regular sharingan?
Oh by the way the ONLY reason why Sauske won was because of his affinity for lightning jutsu which is earth's weak point. His C4 would have killed Sauske if he didn't run a chidori through his body. Thats probably the absolute worst person Deidara could ever face: a shinobi with lightning a element affinity and a sharingan considering his clay can be disarmed and his element of surprise is totally gone.

Doctor Octogonapus

11-17-2008, 11:40 PM

^^And explain how Itachi is any different?
Itachi is family, so we have to assume they have the same affinity(it's been proven 1 for 2, lightning hasn't been but they are family). Not only that but Itachi has a much better mastery of the sharingan than Sasuke did.

Smiley

11-17-2008, 11:42 PM

Where did it specify that he trained it to beat only the regular sharingan?

He was defeated by Itachi's regular Sharingan genjutsu, then trained his eye in order to be able to overcome it.
He never experienced Tsukoyomi.

MinatoNamikaze

11-17-2008, 11:45 PM

Where did it specify that he trained it to beat only the regular sharingan?
Oh by the way the ONLY reason why Sauske won was because of his affinity for lightning jutsu which is earth's weak point. His C4 would have killed Sauske if he didn't run a chidori through his body. Thats probably the absolute worst person Deidara could ever face: a shinobi with lightning a element affinity and a sharingan considering his clay can be disarmed and his element of surprise is totally gone.

^^ that and the fact that when he said that to sasuke sasuke didnt have MS and didnt have tsukiyomi so he wasnt talking about it. He was merely talking about regular sharingan and also he never experienced tsukiyomi.

Muffin

11-18-2008, 01:20 AM

So you're saying microscopic bombs that can only be diffused by electricity aren't going to kill nearly every member?
Deidara can't beat Sasori, Kakazu, Itachi, Pein, Madara or even konan your giving him way too much credit :S

Deidara only counters regular sharingan genjutsu not Tsukiyomi. He cant even beat sasuke so he doesnt stand a chance against Itachi. Itachi brang him to his knees in no time before and that was just with regualr sharingan

Sasuke's stronger than Itachi. Sasuke has better fire jutsu, various chidori attacks, Mangekyo sharingan genjutsu just as strong as Itachi's. Sasuke's surpassed Itachi right now.

Orochimaru vs Sasori
Quite frankly i have no idea, unless Sasori's poison can kill Orochimaru faster than he can spit out a new body, i'd sway towards Orochimaru.

Hidan vs Kakuzu
Kakazu.

Itachi vs Kisame
Itachi.

Kisame vs Hidan
Kisame

Sasori vs Itachi
Like i said in the Itachi vs Sasori topic, Itachi will never defeat Sasori.

Deidara vs Orochimaru
Orochimaru.

Kakuzu vs Kisame
Kakazu can use earth element. Earth element > everything Kisame can use. Not to mention Kakazu is one badass mofo.

Itachi vs Orochimaru
Itachi.

Sasori vs Deidara
Fools. Deidara admitted Sasori was stronger than he was. C4 does not effect wood. Sasori would kill him before he could even get far.

Hidan vs Orochimaru
Seeing as Orochimaru likely knows something about Hidan's ritual he's not going to play his usual cocky style and let hidan stab him so i would say Orochimaru.

Kisame vs Sasori
Samehada won't win this. Once he cuts the chakra strings Sasori can just reattach them or just use his real body and mark some shark fin soup.

Itachi vs Deidara
Itachi.

Hidan vs Sasori
Sasori wins due to whole not having blood.

Kakuzu vs Deidara
Kakazu will slaughter Deidara. Not only is he faster, stronger, more durable. Deidara won't be able to get away because Kakazu can just go long range on his ass.

Itachi vs Hidan
Itachi.

Kisame vs Orochimaru
Orochimaru. Kisame's upfront and brutal fighting style is just what Orochimaru is great against.

Hidan vs Deidara
Deidara.

Sasori vs Kakuzu
No idea. I'm kinda leaning towards Kakazu, but that's why i made the Sasori vs Kakazu topic.

Kakuzu vs Itachi
Kakazu. I don't feel like explaining why.

Kisame vs Deidara
Deidara.

Orochimaru vs Kakauzu
Kakazu.

^^And explain how Itachi is any different?
Itachi is family, so we have to assume they have the same affinity(it's been proven 1 for 2, lightning hasn't been but they are family). Not only that but Itachi has a much better mastery of the sharingan than Sasuke did.

Itachi is inclined to fire and water. He doesn't have any lightning skills and can't flow lightning through his body like Sasuke. Not to mention Sasuke's sharingan is better than Itachi's now. There's no reason to ever say Itachi can use lightning jutsu.

Jackums

11-18-2008, 05:37 AM

Deidara can't beat Sasori, Kakazu, Itachi, Pein, Madara or even konan your giving him way too much credit :S

Exactly my point through the whole debate i had a while back with DIY. loll. How come you people always come late, :lol:

D.I.Y Death

11-18-2008, 07:19 AM

Deidara can't beat Sasori, Kakazu, Itachi, Pein, Madara or even konan your giving him way too much credit :S

I agree completely on Pein and Madara.

Can Sasori survive Ultimate Art? At best its a tie unless Deidara is killed instantly...which Sasori isn't designed to do.

Kakazu has a heart for lightning. That's a HUGE disadvantage to Deidara since all his techniques can be nullified by lightning.

Itachi has one major advantage: His shargingan. Nothing will ever surprise him so Deidara's only hope is C4. One that's used Itachi can't win since he has no way of avoiding/disarming it. Susano reflects attacks but Itachi is breathing in bonbs and bombs are entering through his pores. Unless Susano stops Itachi from breathing and reflects attacks coming from inside Itachi's body he has absolutely no way to avoid/disarm C4.

LOL Konan? We don't even know anything about her powers other than the fact she can turn into paper.

^^And explain how Itachi is any different?
Itachi is family, so we have to assume they have the same affinity(it's been proven 1 for 2, lightning hasn't been but they are family). Not only that but Itachi has a much better mastery of the sharingan than Sasuke did.

This is a really weird post coming from you. Usually you don't make comments like this without solid proof.
Just because your brother is a good mechanic doesn't mean you will be too.

I don't know why everyone under estimated Deidara so damn much? His destructive power is unparalleled. He's agile and incredibly resilient (lost 2 arms and still was fighting) His only major weak points is he doesn't seem good at taijutsu has a limited amount of clay and lightning jutsu screws over his earth based exploding clay by disarming it. His strengths are nightmarish for most Shinobi and his flaws can only be severely exploited by those with an affinity for lightning....which is what...3 ninja so far out of how many?

Muffin

11-18-2008, 09:09 AM

Can Sasori survive Ultimate Art? At best its a tie unless Deidara is killed instantly...which Sasori isn't designed to do.

Sasori isn't designed to kill quickly? The poison he uses paralyzes the victim and they die very soon after no to mention the dude kills people for shits and giggles' He's not gonna let him even use the Ultimate art (which by the way is called the CO). Once Sasori get's the iron sand out and wrecks him like he did to Sakura, Deidara is finished.

Kakazu has a heart for lightning. That's a HUGE disadvantage to Deidara since all his techniques can be nullified by lightning.
Yea i thought that Sasuke's plot device no jutsu was retarded aswell.

Itachi has one major advantage: His shargingan. Nothing will ever surprise him so Deidara's only hope is C4. One that's used Itachi can't win since he has no way of avoiding/disarming it. Susano reflects attacks but Itachi is breathing in bonbs and bombs are entering through his pores. Unless Susano stops Itachi from breathing and reflects attacks coming from inside Itachi's body he has absolutely no way to avoid/disarm C4.
Deidara has what to defend against Amaterasu?

LOL Konan? We don't even know anything about her powers other than the fact she can turn into paper.
She can suffocate Deidara with her uber paper ;)

I don't know why everyone under estimated Deidara so damn much? His destructive power is unparalleled. He's agile and incredibly resilient (lost 2 arms and still was fighting) His only major weak points is he doesn't seem good at taijutsu has a limited amount of clay and lightning jutsu screws over his earth based exploding clay by disarming it. His strengths are nightmarish for most Shinobi and his flaws can only be severely exploited by those with an affinity for lightning....which is what...3 ninja so far out of how many?

Of course he's not weak. I certainly never said he was. He's just not gonna be able to survive an onslaught from the other members of Akatsuki for very long.

Jackums

11-18-2008, 09:24 AM

D.I.Y Death

11-18-2008, 05:39 PM

Sasori isn't designed to kill quickly? The poison he uses paralyzes the victim and they die very soon after no to mention the dude kills people for shits and giggles' He's not gonna let him even use the Ultimate art (which by the way is called the CO). Once Sasori get's the iron sand out and wrecks him like he did to Sakura, Deidara is finished.

Sasori's poison kills over time. It doesn't have immediate effect which proves my point considering what I consider a fast kill is taking a rasengan to the face.

Deidara has what to defend against Amaterasu?

Clones and earth decapitation. They both can exploit each others weaknesses easily. Itachi is a 1vs1 god and Deidara can kill pretty well anything as long as he has 30 seconds to prepare. In a 1vs1 fight Itachi would mess Deidara up thanks to MS but in a ffa Itachi is at a massive disadvantage since outside influence becomes a major factor(which is stated by the series the best way to take down a sharingan user)....which aids Deidara since he needs time to unleash his crazily over powered bombs.

Of course he's not weak. I certainly never said he was. He's just not gonna be able to survive an onslaught from the other members of Akatsuki for very long.
I totally agree. Deidara can't beat them all. His best and only bet it to use C4 and die to Pein/Madara/whoever manages not to die from that jutsu (which won't be many)

All of which were my points in the discussion with DIY and Oba. And also in this thread too. Maybe i was just saying it wrong.. lol. but yea.

Like i was saying before the "infraction" matter; Deidra couldn't survive various attacks from the other Akatsuki members, especially Amaterasu. And Deidra would be an obvious target because of his destructive capabilities. I'm not saying he's weak, because he certainly isn't. And that's why he would be killed early in the battle. Pretty much all of the Akatsuki members would be after him, besides Pein & Madara [because they're pretty much invulnerable]. But i don't want to get into another argument, so don't take this the wrong way. I still hold my opinion, and believe that Deidra would be killed quickly because of the reasons stated above, and because of the points Muffin stated.

I think your opinion is more valid in a tournament style "ffa" because then Deidara couldn't take advantage of the back stabbing and confusion. The only major issue I have with your opinion is it automatically assumes Everyone is going to look at Deidara and say "lets kill him first".
If that was to happen wouldn't it make more sense to gang up on Madara or Pein or Itachi since he can seal everyone but Madara with Susano? Its just too logical for such a gong show battle where pretty well anything can happen within reason.

MinatoNamikaze

11-18-2008, 05:47 PM

@ Muffin

Im not going to get into a big debate on this thread but sasuke hasnt quite surpassed Itachi yet. Itachi is still smarter, faster handseals, more knowledge and experience in battle and with his MS. Sasukes close and will very soo surpass him , but from what we have seen not quite. Itachi would have had No problem handling the 8-tails. But your right, soon he will because someone said sasukes sharingan is stronger than Itachi's.

SAM#1

11-18-2008, 11:22 PM

My opinions:

Orochimaru vs Sasori - Orochimaru

Hidan vs Kakuzu - Kakuzu

Itachi vs Kisame - Itachi

Kisame vs Hidan - Kisame

Sasori vs Itachi - Itachi

Deidara vs Orochimaru - Orochimaru

Kakuzu vs Kisame - Kakuzu

Itachi vs Orochimaru - Itachi

Sasori vs Deidara - Sasori

Hidan vs Orochimaru - Orochimaru

Kisame vs Sasori - Kisame (unless the poisen can work in water)

Itachi vs Deidara - Deidara

Hidan vs Sasori - Sasori

Kakuzu vs Deidara - Kakuzu

Itachi vs Hidan - Itachi

Kisame vs Orochimaru - Orochimaru

Hidan vs Deidara - Deidara

Sasori vs Kakuzu - Sasori

Kakuzu vs Itachi - Itachi

Kisame vs Deidara - Deidara

Orochimaru vs Kakuzu - Orochimaru

Doctor Octogonapus

11-19-2008, 12:31 AM

Deidara can't beat Sasori, Kakazu, Itachi, Pein, Madara or even konan your giving him way too much credit :S

I agree with Itachi, Pein, and Madara. But Sasori and Konan are common sense.
Kakuzu is arguable, skill wise Kakuzu clearly has him beat but there are certain situations that would allow Deidara to win.

Konan however uses paper for God's sake.
I mean come on, I can understand Sasori because he has more techniques and skill than Deidara but Konan? You're taking away all his credit that's perfectly clear.
Sasori I'll argue but Konan is obviously an extreme misunderstanding of what Deidara does.

Sasori uses puppets with thin wood. That alone proves Deidara would win. How? Deidara uses EXPLOSIVES.
Unless you honestly think that Sasori could get out of his suit(which took a while might I add) before Deidara is even ready then this debate might as well be over.

Sasuke's stronger than Itachi. Sasuke has better fire jutsu, various chidori attacks, Mangekyo sharingan genjutsu just as strong as Itachi's. Sasuke's surpassed Itachi right now.

(in order)

Right after he got his ass kicked, put into a box with colorful wrapping and frilly lace, and given to him as a birthday present? Come on Muffin. I know you're better than that.

Itachi has fire jutsu.

All of which failed to do anything to Itachi.

No proof to back that up. Itachi has Mangekyo as well.

Clearly, he has not.

Like i said in the Itachi vs Sasori topic, Itachi will never defeat Sasori.

Fire>Wood 10 out of 10 times.

Itachi has genjutsu as well as Ameratsu.
The cards point in Itachi's favor.
It'll be over before he gets out of his suit.

Fools. Deidara admitted Sasori was stronger than he was. C4 does not effect wood. Sasori would kill him before he could even get far.

I'm done.
You're logic is gone.
Deidara vs. Sasori has turned me completely off of Akatsuki debates because for some reason, common sense is a lost item in that debate.
C4 doesn't affect wood?
Preposterous.
Common sense proves that Deidara would beat Sasori.

And as a side note, Deidara SAID Sasori was stronger than him.
That means nothing for two reasons.

1, There's no proof to back it up. And the only way to truly know who's stronger than who is an all out fight, in which one if not both of them would be dead.

2, I could point a gun at The Rock. He sure as hell is stronger than me but what I have is better than what he has. That's the case in the Deidara and Sasori fight.
The gun being the bombs. The puppets being The Rock's nothing which Sasori might as well have.

Seeing as Orochimaru likely knows something about Hidan's ritual he's not going to play his usual cocky style and let hidan stab him so i would say Orochimaru.

You're deciding this on the basis that Orochimaru doesn't get stabbed?
Come on Muffin, you're better than this...

Sasori wins due to whole not having blood.

Throughout his body.
He has blood, in that container of his.

Kakazu will slaughter Deidara. Not only is he faster, stronger, more durable. Deidara won't be able to get away because Kakazu can just go long range on his ass.

The basis of a biased debate. No logic, just buffing up one character and striking down another. Not to mention countering an obvious advantage with something that isn't valid at all.

This is a really weird post coming from you. Usually you don't make comments like this without solid proof.
Just because your brother is a good mechanic doesn't mean you will be too.

No, it's actually more like twins running in your family.
It's not certain you will have twins but without further proof we don't know weather you will or not.

Muffin

11-19-2008, 02:06 AM

Sasori's poison kills over time. It doesn't have immediate effect which proves my point considering what I consider a fast kill is taking a rasengan to the face.
Sasori says the body becomes instantly numb and immobile. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/270/15/) It will easily give Sasori the chance to move in if he wants and kill the opponent.

Clones and earth decapitation. They both can exploit each others weaknesses easily. Itachi is a 1vs1 god and Deidara can kill pretty well anything as long as he has 30 seconds to prepare. In a 1vs1 fight Itachi would mess Deidara up thanks to MS but in a ffa Itachi is at a massive disadvantage since outside influence becomes a major factor(which is stated by the series the best way to take down a sharingan user)....which aids Deidara since he needs time to unleash his crazily over powered bombs.

You know..i really have no idea why i'm arguing with you about Deidara. You seem to agree he won't be one of the last combatants (or you do and that's why we're arguing) but Itachi sure as hell isn't making it to end. So i'm going to offer to simply comply with your wishes....Unless you know if i'm arguing about something else.

@ Muffin

Im not going to get into a big debate on this thread but sasuke hasnt quite surpassed Itachi yet. Itachi is still smarter, faster handseals, more knowledge and experience in battle and with his MS. Sasukes close and will very soo surpass him , but from what we have seen not quite. Itachi would have had No problem handling the 8-tails. But your right, soon he will because someone said sasukes sharingan is stronger than Itachi's.

He has. Prove to me otherwise. 8-Tail's would've messed up Itachi just as bad as he would've Sasuke.

I agree with Itachi, Pein, and Madara. But Sasori and Konan are common sense.
Kakuzu is arguable, skill wise Kakuzu clearly has him beat but there are certain situations that would allow Deidara to win.

Konan however uses paper for God's sake.
I mean come on, I can understand Sasori because he has more techniques and skill than Deidara but Konan? You're taking away all his credit that's perfectly clear.
Sasori I'll argue but Konan is obviously an extreme misunderstanding of what Deidara does.

Sasori uses puppets with thin wood. That alone proves Deidara would win. How? Deidara uses EXPLOSIVES.
Unless you honestly think that Sasori could get out of his suit(which took a while might I add) before Deidara is even ready then this debate might as well be over.

So Konan can't turn herself into paper and scatter herself over the battle field just to appear near the end? Deidara would need to use the C3 at the very beginning of the battle while Sasori's in Hiruko for you argument to be valid. Deidara did state that C3 was his highest chakra mixture in his explosive so he's not going to be willing to just throw it out when there's no guarantee he'll die.

(in order)

Right after he got his ass kicked, put into a box with colorful wrapping and frilly lace, and given to him as a birthday present? Come on Muffin. I know you're better than that.

Itachi has fire jutsu.

All of which failed to do anything to Itachi.

No proof to back that up. Itachi has Mangekyo as well.

Clearly, he has not.

That was Sasuke before he had Mangekyo. Itachi was being overwhelmed by Sasuke's fire jutsu when they fought and was lucky Amaterasu saved his own ass. And no proof to back what up? You're naive if you don't think Sasuke has surpassed or at the very least equaled Itachi now.

Fire>Wood 10 out of 10 times.

Itachi has genjutsu as well as Ameratsu.
The cards point in Itachi's favor.
It'll be over before he gets out of his suit.

And iron sand > fire. Itachi will be dead as soon as Sasori uses the Satetsu Kahou.

I'm done.
You're logic is gone.
Deidara vs. Sasori has turned me completely off of Akatsuki debates because for some reason, common sense is a lost item in that debate.
C4 doesn't affect wood?
Preposterous.
Common sense proves that Deidara would beat Sasori.

And as a side note, Deidara SAID Sasori was stronger than him.
That means nothing for two reasons.

1, There's no proof to back it up. And the only way to truly know who's stronger than who is an all out fight, in which one if not both of them would be dead.

2, I could point a gun at The Rock. He sure as hell is stronger than me but what I have is better than what he has. That's the case in the Deidara and Sasori fight.
The gun being the bombs. The puppets being The Rock's nothing which Sasori might as well have.

Oh it's quite funny how you don't even know what C4 is :p

Deidara only has 1 C4 attack and it's the C4 Garuda which had no effect at all on an entire forest. It only effected the animals in the area so it has no effect on wood. Deidara wasn't just trying to blow smoke up Sasori's ass when he said he was stronger he didn't like the fact that Sasori was stronger. Deidara's words > yours.

You're deciding this on the basis that Orochimaru doesn't get stabbed?
Come on Muffin, you're better than this...
I'm basing it on Orochimaru knowing Hidan's fighting style seeing as he did write a book on the members of Akatsuki.

Throughout his body.
He has blood, in that container of his.
Sasori's not gonna let it get hit anyway. If Hidan hit it Sasori would die anyway :S

The basis of a biased debate. No logic, just buffing up one character and striking down another. Not to mention countering an obvious advantage with something that isn't valid at all.
It is logical. Kakazu would have no trouble with Deidara. Deidara needs long range. Kakazu won't even let him get away. He could use heart demons to distract him while he moves in to grab him with the tendrils and tear his heart out. Kakazu is not being given enough credit.

No, it's actually more like twins running in your family.
It's not certain you will have twins but without further proof we don't know weather you will or not.

Twins aren't born years apart. Itachi is inclined to water. That doesn't mean Sasuke is inclined to water now does it? Itachi can only use water and fire, that makes him different from Sasuke.

Oh Majin how i missed you :hug:

Doctor Octogonapus

11-19-2008, 02:49 AM

So Konan can't turn herself into paper and scatter herself over the battle field just to appear near the end?

Um...what?

Deidara would need to use the C3 at the very beginning of the battle while Sasori's in Hiruko for you argument to be valid.

A C2 or possibly even a C1 would subdue against a puppet.

That was Sasuke before he had Mangekyo. Itachi was being overwhelmed by Sasuke's fire jutsu when they fought and was lucky Amaterasu saved his own ass. And no proof to back what up? You're naive if you don't think Sasuke has surpassed or at the very least equaled Itachi now.

I think he's on par with him, but definitely not surpassed.
You don't just magically grow stronger than someone who was years above you in one day, which you are making it seem like you do.

And iron sand > fire. Itachi will be dead as soon as Sasori uses the Satetsu Kahou.

And who's to say Sasori won't already be dead?

Deidara only has 1 C4 attack and it's the C4 Garuda which had no effect at all on an entire forest. It only effected the animals in the area so it has no effect on wood. Deidara wasn't just trying to blow smoke up Sasori's ass when he said he was stronger he didn't like the fact that Sasori was stronger. Deidara's words > yours.

Lemme get this straight, that entire attack which decimated an entire forest, had no affect on the forest?
It may be Deidara's words>Mine. But in this case, it seems to be The manga's words>yours

Sasori's not gonna let it get hit anyway. If Hidan hit it Sasori would die anyway :S

Once again, saying someone won't let themselves be hit is not the basis of a valid argument.

Kakazu would have no trouble with Deidara. Deidara needs long range. Kakazu won't even let him get away. He could use heart demons to distract him while he moves in to grab him with the tendrils and tear his heart out. Kakazu is not being given enough credit.

Ah, but it is Deidara who's having credit taken from him.
I know what Kakuzu can do. And I know he cannot survive a C4 attack.

Itachi is inclined to water.

Since when?

That doesn't mean Sasuke is inclined to water now does it? Itachi can only use water and fire, that makes him different from Sasuke.

Oh Majin how i missed you :hug:

:hug:
I missed you too xD
You need to come in the staff section more often.
Go to the thread with Section Mods in the title(should be near the top) and I'll explain what's going on :D

Jackums

11-19-2008, 03:25 AM

Sasori's poison kills over time. It doesn't have immediate effect which proves my point considering what I consider a fast kill is taking a rasengan to the face.

Yes, it actually does take effect immediately.

I think your opinion is more valid in a tournament style "ffa" because then Deidara couldn't take advantage of the back stabbing and confusion. The only major issue I have with your opinion is it automatically assumes Everyone is going to look at Deidara and say "lets kill him first".
If that was to happen wouldn't it make more sense to gang up on Madara or Pein or Itachi since he can seal everyone but Madara with Susano? Its just too logical for such a gong show battle where pretty well anything can happen within reason.

I didn't mean EVERYONE would go for him immediately. But it will only take 1 or 2 members to take Deidra down. And i'm sure that more than 2 members will go after him at the beginning of the battle. I mean, they're not going to go for Madara or Pein, because they know they can't take them down. It's just logical that if they want to survive that they're going to have to kill the guy with the bombs that can destroy whole villages. I'm not saying that it will be easy, but there's not much chance Deidra's going to get the time to use his clay bombs.

Sasori uses puppets with thin wood. That alone proves Deidara would win. How? Deidara uses EXPLOSIVES.
Unless you honestly think that Sasori could get out of his suit(which took a while might I add) before Deidara is even ready then this debate might as well be over.

Fire>Wood 10 out of 10 times.

Itachi has genjutsu as well as Ameratsu.
The cards point in Itachi's favor.
It'll be over before he gets out of his suit.

I'm done.
You're logic is gone.
Deidara vs. Sasori has turned me completely off of Akatsuki debates because for some reason, common sense is a lost item in that debate.
C4 doesn't affect wood?
Preposterous.
Common sense proves that Deidara would beat Sasori.

To answer to all of that, I say:
Correction. Only some of Sasori's puppets are wood. As a matter of fact, Sasori has a collection of 298 HUMAN puppets. Meaning they're obviously not wood. Although he can only control 100 at a time, it doesn't matter. They're human bodies. And I'm guessing Sasori's smart enough to NOT bring wooden puppets into a battle with other member's that have fire techniques. Therefore the points you stated above aren't valid, IF Sasori used his human puppets. They're still valid, but only if Sasori were to use his wooden puppets.

So Konan can't turn herself into paper and scatter herself over the battle field just to appear near the end?

ROFL!. That was epic mufiin. you made my day, :lol:

D.I.Y Death

11-19-2008, 04:19 AM

Yes, it actually does take effect immediately.

Three people prove this wrong. Kankuro Sakura and Chiyo.

I didn't mean EVERYONE would go for him immediately. But it will only take 1 or 2 members to take Deidra down. And i'm sure that more than 2 members will go after him at the beginning of the battle. I mean, they're not going to go for Madara or Pein, because they know they can't take them down. It's just logical that if they want to survive that they're going to have to kill the guy with the bombs that can destroy whole villages. I'm not saying that it will be easy, but there's not much chance Deidra's going to get the time to use his clay bombs.
Deidara took on Kakashi and Naruto and made out out alive. I seriously doubt Deidara will be one of the first to die and because even his weakest C1 attack is devastating he'll kill off more than just one member.

Jackums

11-19-2008, 04:29 AM

Three people prove this wrong. Kankuro Sakura and Chiyo.

Yes. but we don't know it will be the same case with Deidra. The poison can be put aside, as it's a dead debate.

Deidara took on Kakashi and Naruto and made out out alive. I seriously doubt Deidara will be one of the first to die and because even his weakest C1 attack is devastating he'll kill off more than just one member.

Yes. But they didn't have Ameterasu, or Iron sand, or an Army of puppets, or any of the abilites that some of the akatsuki members have. They might be strong, but that's a completely different scenario to this. And like you said, even his weakest attack can kill of a few members. That's exactly why he'd be targeted.

Muffin

11-19-2008, 06:06 AM

Um...what?
Yea i donno either i retract the statement of Konan actually surviving.

A C2 or possibly even a C1 would subdue against a puppet.
Which aren't strong enough to completely destroy Hiruko and Sasori's true body either.

I think he's on par with him, but definitely not surpassed.
You don't just magically grow stronger than someone who was years above you in one day, which you are making it seem like you do.
With Mangekyo Sharingan you do. Sasuke matched Itachi's speed and genjutsu in their fight and overpowered Itachi's Katon attacks. The only thing giving Itachi the edge was Mangekyo Sharingan, which Sasuke now possesses.

And who's to say Sasori won't already be dead?
The fact genjutsu, Itachi's main fighting style is useless against Sasori.

Lemme get this straight, that entire attack which decimated an entire forest, had no affect on the forest?
It may be Deidara's words>Mine. But in this case, it seems to be The manga's words>yours
You're confusing CO (Deidara's self destruct attack) with C4 which unleashes thousands of tiny bombs into a large area.

Once again, saying someone won't let themselves be hit is not the basis of a valid argument.
Sakura and Chiyo in all their team work and agility could not hit Sasori's heart. Hidan's scythe is made to cut and scrape so he can drink blood, not to hit a tiny circular container.

Ah, but it is Deidara who's having credit taken from him.
I know what Kakuzu can do. And I know he cannot survive a C4 attack.
CO is Deidara's only explosive powerful enough to actually kill Kakazu seeing as he is able to harden his body to the point where he could literally palm off explosive scrolls.

Since when?

He used water clones when he first came into the leaf village if i recall correctly.

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I missed you too xD
You need to come in the staff section more often.
Go to the thread with Section Mods in the title(should be near the top) and I'll explain what's going on :D

I shall need to frequent the staff section more i don't seem to check there often enough :S

Smiley

11-19-2008, 10:58 AM

With Mangekyo Sharingan you do. Sasuke matched Itachi's speed and genjutsu in their fight and overpowered Itachi's Katon attacks. The only thing giving Itachi the edge was Mangekyo Sharingan, which Sasuke now possesses.

Except Sasuke now lost CS2 and Orochimaru. His Katons aren't that powerful anymore, he is not as fast as he used to be and has less stamina. True, he got Mangekyou but he is still a noob when it comes to using it, plus we don't know if he got Susano'o.

Sasuke will surpass Itachi eventually but he's not there yet.

Muffin

11-19-2008, 11:53 AM

Except Sasuke now lost CS2 and Orochimaru. His Katons aren't that powerful anymore, he is not as fast as he used to be and has less stamina. True, he got Mangekyou but he is still a noob when it comes to using it, plus we don't know if he got Susano'o.

Sasuke will surpass Itachi eventually but he's not there yet.

You know i feel like a raging retard because i completely forgot that Sasuke has the curse seal during that fight. :lmao:

Jackums

11-19-2008, 12:23 PM

You know i feel like a raging retard because i completely forgot that Sasuke has the curse seal during that fight. :lmao:

lol. don't worry Muffin. I forgot too, xD

D.I.Y Death

11-19-2008, 04:52 PM

CO is Deidara's only explosive powerful enough to actually kill Kakazu seeing as he is able to harden his body to the point where he could literally palm off explosive scrolls.

This statement has absolutely nothing to back it up. As we have seen time and time again one explosion doesn't=another one. He blocked an exploding tag but that doesn't mean he can take a bunch of C1 explosions C2 C3 or C4. He'd be wise to use electricity to disarm them rather than try to take a blast which could level a village. On a similar note all those C4 micro bombs blowing up inside of him would cause some major internal damage from the sheer force its exerting (kind of like putting dry ice in a water bottle that's full and screwing the cap back on).

Doctor Octogonapus

11-19-2008, 09:42 PM

Which aren't strong enough to completely destroy Hiruko and Sasori's true body either.

C1 probably isn't although C2 could very well be powerful enough.

With Mangekyo Sharingan you do. Sasuke matched Itachi's speed and genjutsu in their fight and overpowered Itachi's Katon attacks. The only thing giving Itachi the edge was Mangekyo Sharingan, which Sasuke now possesses.

Sasuke beat Itachi's speed.
Nearly fell victim to Itachi's genjutsu.
Itachi MASTERED the MS, Sasuke has had it for a few days and clearly has less mastery of it than Itachi.
Not to mention the fact that the only reason Sasuke didn't die was because of the Curse Seal, which he no longer has.

The fact genjutsu, Itachi's main fighting style is useless against Sasori.

Itachi has Ameratsu and other fire jutsu.
However we're once again at a disagreement regarding the genjutsu.
Sasori is technically alive therefore can fall victim to genjutsu.

Sakura and Chiyo in all their team work and agility could not hit Sasori's heart.

I don't believe they focused on it...

Hidan's scythe is made to cut and scrape so he can drink blood, not to hit a tiny circular container.

A knife is meant to stab but if you cut an apple vertically do you not reach the center?

He used water clones when he first came into the leaf village if i recall correctly.

Kakashi has used Earth techniques, lightning techniques, water techniques, and I believe an occasional fire and/or wind technique.
Go ahead and explain how he can use those techniques without the affiliation.
You're answer to my question, is my answer to this case.

I shall need to frequent the staff section more i don't seem to check there often enough :S

You should. :D

You know i feel like a raging retard because i completely forgot that Sasuke has the curse seal during that fight. :lmao:

Now you see why I found that statement so absurd. :p

0ba

11-19-2008, 10:03 PM

Sasuke beat Itachi's speed.
Nearly fell victim to Itachi's genjutsu.
Itachi MASTERED the MS, Sasuke has had it for a few days and clearly has less mastery of it than Itachi.
Not to mention the fact that the only reason Sasuke didn't die was because of the Curse Seal, which he no longer has.Well, he is faster than Itachi, and is immune to MS genjutsu too, right? He didn't fall victim, that's what's important.
Itachi mastered it HOW? They both don't take much time to use Amaterasu, they can both use Tsukuyomi, it isn't shown whose is more powerful, but they are probably the same, but Sasuke hasn't been shown to use Susano'o, who we don't know if he'd need to sign a contract with, but I doubt that anyway. And Sasuke can put out the fire, Itachi wasn't shown doing that, showing that Sasuke did master the MS techs. to an extent. But it hasn't been shown how Itachi mastered the MS that Sasuke didn't when they use the same techniques in the same way.

Itachi has Ameratsu and other fire jutsu.
However we're once again at a disagreement regarding the genjutsu.
Sasori is technically alive therefore can fall victim to genjutsu.He cannot feel. He has no brain. Therefore Tsukuyomi has no effect on him. Tsukuyomi is you poking him repeatedly with a sword in a world where time is slowed considerably for 3 days, no? How does it affect him when he's being poked and he can't feel it? It would just be a waste of chakra, imo.

I don't believe they focused on it...I think they did, especially the first time when they saw it jump to another body. They didn't kill him by mistake, they knew it was his living part, and the one they had to destroy.

A knife is meant to stab but if you cut an apple vertically do you not reach the center?You do. But Hidan doesn't seem to be very smart. Going close to Sasori would just lead to his death, his attacks are all poisoned, which would numb and paralyse him, and his head would be cut off easily. And Sasori has no blood, and he does NOT know his weakness while he's inside Hiruko, and while the living-scroll-thingy could easily jump to another body if Hidan lives long enough to see his true form, and isn't killed with iron sand.

btw, how come Sasuke didn't use the CS during their fight? Did it have any effect on the battle?

Muffin

11-20-2008, 03:35 AM

This statement has absolutely nothing to back it up. As we have seen time and time again one explosion doesn't=another one. He blocked an exploding tag but that doesn't mean he can take a bunch of C1 explosions C2 C3 or C4. He'd be wise to use electricity to disarm them rather than try to take a blast which could level a village. On a similar note all those C4 micro bombs blowing up inside of him would cause some major internal damage from the sheer force its exerting (kind of like putting dry ice in a water bottle that's full and screwing the cap back on).

Your statement has even less to back it up. Kakazu said himself no physical attack has effect on him. No explosion, blade or anything besides Chidori pierced his skin and Chidori only did it because it was lightning inclined. Deidara won't be able to get to a safe enough distance that will kill himself and Kakazu if he is forced to use C3 and even if he gets desperate Kakazu still has odds of having atleast one heart left.

Itachi has Ameratsu and other fire jutsu.
However we're once again at a disagreement regarding the genjutsu.
Sasori is technically alive therefore can fall victim to genjutsu.

Sasori still has iron sand to protect himself against Amaterasu, Amaterasu can't hit anything Itachi can't see so were Sasori to use the sand to block Itachi's vision of him it would be rendered ineffective. If Genjutsu did work on him it wouldn't matter because he doesn't feel pain, it would do nothing but waste Itachi's chakra.

A knife is meant to stab but if you cut an apple vertically do you not reach the center?
Wut?

Hidan's weapon is meant to create small cuts so he can begin his ritual it's not made to hit such a small target like Sasori's heart.

Kakashi has used Earth techniques, lightning techniques, water techniques, and I believe an occasional fire and/or wind technique.
Go ahead and explain how he can use those techniques without the affiliation.
You're answer to my question, is my answer to this case.
Because he is inclined to those elements. He has also never used Wind or fire techs if i recall correctly. Noone can use all 5 elements. There hasn't been anyone shown who can use all 5 elements.

Now you see why I found that statement so absurd. :p
Meh we all have our off days.

D.I.Y Death

11-20-2008, 06:49 AM

Your statement has even less to back it up. Kakazu said himself no physical attack has effect on him. No explosion, blade or anything besides Chidori pierced his skin and Chidori only did it because it was lightning inclined. Deidara won't be able to get to a safe enough distance that will kill himself and Kakazu if he is forced to use C3 and even if he gets desperate Kakazu still has odds of having atleast one heart left.

This is coming from the magna that said Gaara's demons can cause earthquakes with its tail lol. The manga is littered with hyperbole's. Is his skin tough? Hell yes. Can it take the equivalant of 30 grendades blowing up in his face (C2) probably not. Even if it doesn't breach his skin the inertia from the shockwave will liquefy his internal organs. Good example of that would be Naruto's Fuuton. Kakazu wasn't cut into tiny pieces and yet his lives were all gone. Obviously there was massive internal damage since there was no external damage.

Now to cover Deidara surviving his own C3. Provided he isn't flying he can use Earth Decapitation. If he used Earth Decapitation to avoid his clone explosion (which was not a small explosion by any means) chances of it working to avoid C3 are pretty high.

Jackums

11-20-2008, 07:08 AM

D.I.Y Death

11-20-2008, 04:56 PM

You both have valid points about the Kakazu surviving thingy. But going on what DIY said about manga not being as reliable as we think, we can't assume anything. Not that Kakazu would survive or die. That topic is pointless since there's no proper evidence to the outcomes.

That's what makes it fun. I like to read people's elaborations and banter back and forth. That's how we acquire new information and how we can adjust out points of view to incorporate the new things we have learned.

Muffin

11-21-2008, 02:39 AM

This is coming from the magna that said Gaara's demons can cause earthquakes with its tail lol. The manga is littered with hyperbole's. Is his skin tough? Hell yes. Can it take the equivalant of 30 grendades blowing up in his face (C2) probably not. Even if it doesn't breach his skin the inertia from the shockwave will liquefy his internal organs. Good example of that would be Naruto's Fuuton. Kakazu wasn't cut into tiny pieces and yet his lives were all gone. Obviously there was massive internal damage since there was no external damage.

If anything the C2 seemed more like a land mine more than 30 grenades. C1 was just a minor explosion that blew off people's faces and junk. Kakazu could easily harden his skin to absorb the blasts. If the explosion scroll didn't even affect him i don't see how C1 or C2 would do any better. C3 is Deidara's only "explosive" powerful enough to damage Kakazu and it won't be viable unless he wants to kill himself in the process in which case he would be better off just using CO. C4 could also be disarmed by Kakazu's lightning affinity Kakazu just has Deidara out manned in all ways.

Now to cover Deidara surviving his own C3. Provided he isn't flying he can use Earth Decapitation. If he used Earth Decapitation to avoid his clone explosion (which was not a small explosion by any means) chances of it working to avoid C3 are pretty high.

How's he going to be able to get any distance from Kakazu at all? Kakazu will be upfront the entire time to Deidara, not giving him any chance to get any distance. Kakazu's brutal fighting style is why Deidara is out matched, without any sufficient distance Deidara won't have the chance to pull out his most devastating techniques.

Jackums

11-21-2008, 04:54 AM

Yea, I kinda agree with Muffin on this one. And this is a FFA. So there would be more people then just Kakazu going for Deidra. lol. That has been discussed ALOT on this thread already. But yea, there would be at least 2 more people trying to kill him. I mean, he is the guy with the clay bombs that can destroy whole villages :xd:

naruwiskers^_^

11-21-2008, 06:00 AM

zetsu would win.
XDD
they'd all kill eachother, (mainly pein & madara pwning everyone), and zetsu would stand in the backround and watch it.
then he'd start a new akatsuki, but only fellow plant-men would be able to enter.
^_____^

i hope there are more plant men. . .

0ba

11-21-2008, 06:28 AM

But yea, there would be at least 2 more people trying to kill him. I mean, he is the guy with the clay bombs that can destroy whole villages :xd:It's hard to gang up on Deidara when there's a guy who shouldn't SHOULDN'T scratch you, whose puppets conquered a nation. There's Itachi, then two people who are supposed to be immortal, it doesn't make sense to gang up on Deidara, when they're ALL dangerous. It isn't easy to ignore a 'God' with 6 bodies whose secret you DON'T know, to throw long-range techniques at Deidara who'd jump on his bird and fly once the battle starts.

Jackums

11-21-2008, 06:43 AM

It's hard to gang up on Deidara when there's a guy who shouldn't SHOULDN'T scratch you, whose puppets conquered a nation. There's Itachi, then two people who are supposed to be immortal, it doesn't make sense to gang up on Deidara, when they're ALL dangerous. It isn't easy to ignore a 'God' with 6 bodies whose secret you DON'T know, to throw long-range techniques at Deidara who'd jump on his bird and fly once the battle starts.

I never said they'd ALL go for him, I said at least 2 people. And yes, they'd have to watch they're back from the others. But can any of the other members destroy a whole village in a matter of minutes? I don't think so. And yes, there are 2 that are meant to be immortal.. but the other members would know that, which would make it stupid for them to attck Pein/Madara, since they can't win. Their best choice would be to kill the most dangerous people first [well, the mortal ones]. And i'm pretty sure they should worry about Deidra more than Itachi. Itachi is more of a 1-on-1 guy. He's not nearly as much of a threat as Deidra. The only person arguable would be Sasori. Him and Deidra's abilities are the most widely destructive.

Smiley

11-21-2008, 05:56 PM

I C4 could also be disarmed by Kakazu's lightning affinity Kakazu just has Deidara out manned in all ways.

This would be the case if Kakuzu knew Deidara's C4 was using Doton chakra.
He doesn't have the Sharingan to read his hand seals..

D.I.Y Death

11-21-2008, 07:28 PM

If anything the C2 seemed more like a land mine more than 30 grenades. C1 was just a minor explosion that blew off people's faces and junk. Kakazu could easily harden his skin to absorb the blasts. If the explosion scroll didn't even affect him i don't see how C1 or C2 would do any better. C3 is Deidara's only "explosive" powerful enough to damage Kakazu and it won't be viable unless he wants to kill himself in the process in which case he would be better off just using CO. C4 could also be disarmed by Kakazu's lightning affinity Kakazu just has Deidara out manned in all ways.

So which heart is he going to kill when he runs his electricity through himself? Its going to cause some major internal damage to pull that off just how Sauske had to hurt himself pretty badly to beat C4.

How's he going to be able to get any distance from Kakazu at all? Kakazu will be upfront the entire time to Deidara, not giving him any chance to get any distance. Kakazu's brutal fighting style is why Deidara is out matched, without any sufficient distance Deidara won't have the chance to pull out his most devastating techniques.
Its a ffa anything can happen. Hell Deidara could die in 30 seconds or kakazu could get hit by like 20 attacks at once. That's why I won't throw in any scenario since there's no way to account for every probable action in this match.
Deidara has about a 50/50 chance against Kakazu in a ffa.

Jackums

11-22-2008, 04:25 AM

The "Its a FFA, anything can happen", has been said so many times. And yes, it is true. But SERIOUSLY; Diedra will be targeted and killed very quickly. He has a very small chance of surviving long enough to use his clay bombs. He could kill them all except for Madara & possibly Pein, in a few minutes. Of course he's going to be attcked at the instant the battle commences, by at LEAST 2 people. Its just common sense. None of the other members have the destructive capabilites that Deidra has. I have said this so many times already. I know its a FFA and anything can happen, but Deidra would be killed near the beginning of the battle 9/10 times. There's no debate needed. The real debate should be based on what would happen after Deidra is killed.

MinatoNamikaze

11-23-2008, 04:22 AM

Well this FFA woudl all come down to how you play out each scenario. You can have a bunch of 1v1's or 3v1 or everyone ganging up on somebody. Basically anyone can win if a certain scenario occurs. I would say the last 3 suriving would be Pein, Madara, and Itachi

Muffin

11-23-2008, 11:05 AM

D.I.Y Death

11-23-2008, 02:36 PM

Jackums

11-23-2008, 08:33 PM

So anything can happen but its certain that Deidara won't live long enough to use any offensive technique? LOL.

No. Its not certain. But 8/10 times, he'd most likely be killed before he gets a chance to use his clay bombs, for reasons stated all over this thread. I guess if all of the member's become catatonic or go suicidal, Deidra will survive. But other then that, he's as good as dead 8/10 times.

0ba

11-23-2008, 09:26 PM

So anything can happen but its certain that Deidara won't live long enough to use any offensive technique? LOL.That's exactly why I decided not to reply to his post. He's using "common sense" to say that Deidara WILL be killed before he uses a single clay bomb. :S

Kuro Nagashi

11-23-2008, 09:56 PM

Well i would say that if it cam down to, konnan and Pein would be the last two alive plus madara, because pein and konnan would have each others backs no matter what, and then madara would pwnz the rest

D.I.Y Death

11-24-2008, 12:24 AM

No. Its not certain. But 8/10 times, he'd most likely be killed before he gets a chance to use his clay bombs, for reasons stated all over this thread. I guess if all of the member's become catatonic or go suicidal, Deidra will survive. But other then that, he's as good as dead 8/10 times.

So now its 8/10 times in a battle where anything can happen. Seriously stop rationalizing scenarios like this.

NaruxHina_4_Ever

11-24-2008, 01:23 AM

I also think people are not factoring in things like the environment.
Where is this being fought
Do they all start near each other?
are there lots of places to hide?
Is it Hilly? Flat? Rocky? Swampy?
Do they all know where the others are starting from?

Each fighters chances go up and down depending on the environment.
I mean Sasori has a better chance against Kisame if they fight awy from water.
Deidara has a better chance if they all start apart.
All the fighters gain and lose advantage depending on terrain and starting positions.
If they all start Next to each then then Yeah Deidara may not last long.
If they start Far apart then it is likely Deidara will be one of the last ones standing.

So since there are sooooo many variables unaccounted for you can't say who will be the last ones standing.

That said I would put my money On Madara and Pein. They have both consistently showed that they can Tackle just about any situation and variation of opposition

Jackums

11-24-2008, 10:57 AM

That's exactly why I decided not to reply to his post. He's using "common sense" to say that Deidara WILL be killed before he uses a single clay bomb. :S

No. I was saying that 8/10 times, its likely that he won't get the chance to use his clay bombs.

So now its 8/10 times in a battle where anything can happen. Seriously stop rationalizing scenarios like this.

So according to both of you, you can pretty much say "its a FFA, anything can happen. stop making up scenarios"? Okay, well, i say that to every comment on this thread. That's just a scenario. This is a FFA, anything can happen. Bai.

D.I.Y Death

11-24-2008, 02:24 PM

No. I was saying that 8/10 times, its likely that he won't get the chance to use his clay bombs.

And what makes it likely? I'm dying to hear what makes you over analyze a battle that has too many variable situations to account for.

So according to both of you, you can pretty much say "its a FFA, anything can happen. stop making up scenarios"? Okay, well, i say that to every comment on this thread. That's just a scenario. This is a FFA, anything can happen. Bai.

The difference is you're rationalizing an event where there's too much to account for and adding too much detail and probabilities. Everyone else is essentially saying "this character will make it near the end because he/she has these generic traits". You're contradicting yourself at every turn and its not funny anymore...its annoying. You're too anal and in a battle where you could never account for everything that works against you and makes you seem like a complete idiot who doesn't know when to quit.

Jackums

11-25-2008, 08:03 AM

And what makes it likely? I'm dying to hear what makes you over analyze a battle that has too many variable situations to account for.

do i really have to repeat myself again? read my post on the previous page. heck, i've probably said it about 15 times on this thread by now.

The difference is you're rationalizing an event where there's too much to account for and adding too much detail and probabilities. Everyone else is essentially saying "this character will make it near the end because he/she has these generic traits". You're contradicting yourself at every turn and its not funny anymore...its annoying. You're too anal and in a battle where you could never account for everything that works against you and makes you seem like a complete idiot who doesn't know when to quit.

loll. this thread is getting ridiculous, and i'm sick of repeating myself constantly. So i'm gonna say bye. Call it what you want, or say that i have no comeback, but i don't care. Have a nice day. Baiii :)

D.I.Y Death

11-25-2008, 02:12 PM

do i really have to repeat myself again? read my post on the previous page. heck, i've probably said it about 15 times on this thread by now.
You do if you have to adjust your opinion for every scenario out there.

loll. this thread is getting ridiculous, and i'm sick of repeating myself constantly. So i'm gonna say bye. Call it what you want, or say that i have no comeback, but i don't care. Have a nice day. Baiii :)

Then don't take a concrete stance on such a flexible subject. The foundation of your opinion is fucked. Doesn't mean your opinion isn't valid...it just means your opinion doesn't hold against very much since its foundations aren't properly planned. Instead of getting defensive think about how you can improve your opinion since you've been sand blasted by 3/4ths of the people coming into this thread who are willing to argue back and forth. Unless 3/4ths of those people are idiots that means your opinion has something wrong with it.

MinatoNamikaze

11-30-2008, 02:04 AM

Unless Itachi just lies down and pretends to be dead he's not going to be one of the last ones.

DO you think Kakuzu, Hidan, deidara, sasori, Kisame, stand a better chance. Itachi si by far the most skilled out of all the memebers minus Pein and possibly Madara. He is the prominent member (not leader) in Akaktsuki. Proof of this is his asssignment being to capture the strongest of the tailed beasts. It was Itachi and Itachi alone that was assigned to take the 9 tails. If someone was stronger than he was, they would have been given the task.

Masterofdeath

11-30-2008, 02:22 AM

If this thread is exactly what the title states then without a doubt Pein would win in an all out war between the akatsuki members

NaruxHina_4_Ever

11-30-2008, 03:36 AM

DO you think Kakuzu, Hidan, deidara, sasori, Kisame, stand a better chance. Itachi si by far the most skilled out of all the memebers minus Pein and possibly Madara. He is the prominent member (not leader) in Akaktsuki. Proof of this is his asssignment being to capture the strongest of the tailed beasts. It was Itachi and Itachi alone that was assigned to take the 9 tails. If someone was stronger than he was, they would have been given the task.
Correction Itachi was sent against the nine tails because the Sharingan had the ability to suppress the Kyuubi. This made him the perfect candidate to fight the strongest of the tailed beasts. Added to that he was also a former member of the leaf village and probably still knew his way around better then most of the others from other villages.

Masterofdeath

11-30-2008, 04:15 AM

Yea it is true that Itachi was the perfect person for the job to beat naruto but that doesn't mean he is the strongest or even one of the strongest members in akatsuki. Don't forget that every ninja has he weakness and sometimes those weaknesses are exposed in battle with stronger competition. So, even with the MS and high chakra he could still very easily be beaten by one of the lower class akatsuki members.

deadman15

12-07-2008, 10:09 PM

I think it would come down to like the final four which would be Tobi,Orochimaru,Itachi and Pein.I think that Pein would end up wining.But in the fight it would be mre like process of elimination.This might be a stupid question but isnt Sasuke part of Akatski in a way right now?Would he be included in the fight?

Muffin

12-07-2008, 11:38 PM

DO you think Kakuzu, Hidan, deidara, sasori, Kisame, stand a better chance. Itachi si by far the most skilled out of all the memebers minus Pein and possibly Madara. He is the prominent member (not leader) in Akaktsuki. Proof of this is his asssignment being to capture the strongest of the tailed beasts. It was Itachi and Itachi alone that was assigned to take the 9 tails. If someone was stronger than he was, they would have been given the task.

Yes i do. Itachi's specialty is one on one. Not a free for all. Kisame has far more stamina and chakra than Itachi, Sasori can take down countries, Kakazu is beastly and a real bastard to kill and Hidan is Hidan.

Itachi is not the most skilled that is only your biased opinion. He was assigned the 9 tails because he lived in Konoha and knew his way around the barriers and could also suppress the Kyuubi.

MinatoNamikaze

12-08-2008, 04:31 AM

Yes i do. Itachi's specialty is one on one. Not a free for all. Kisame has far more stamina and chakra than Itachi, Sasori can take down countries, Kakazu is beastly and a real bastard to kill and Hidan is Hidan.

Itachi is not the most skilled that is only your biased opinion. He was assigned the 9 tails because he lived in Konoha and knew his way around the barriers and could also suppress the Kyuubi.

Actaullly Itachi is good in a free for all. He managed to take out HALF the uchiha clan adn im sure they had mroe than 2 people. So to say hes only good at 1v1 is an uneducated assumption. He was assigned the 9 tails not only for the reasons you pointed out but also becasue he is the most intelligent and most skilled memebr minus the leaders. Kakuzu and Hidan were still in Fire country getting their marks. If kakuzu was stronger, he would have been assigned teh nine tails. You use your strongest memebrs for the most important missions.

D.I.Y Death

12-08-2008, 06:52 AM

Actaullly Itachi is good in a free for all. He managed to take out HALF the uchiha clan adn im sure they had mroe than 2 people. So to say hes only good at 1v1 is an uneducated assumption. He was assigned the 9 tails not only for the reasons you pointed out but also becasue he is the most intelligent and most skilled memebr minus the leaders. Kakuzu and Hidan were still in Fire country getting their marks. If kakuzu was stronger, he would have been assigned teh nine tails. You use your strongest memebrs for the most important missions.

A) Itachi had help from Madara
B) They killed the village while everyone was sleeping (via slitting throats and all that anbu assassination jazz or they would have raised the alarm...which didn't happen.)
C) Itachi has low stamina and in a ffa stamina matters a lot.
D) Its been clearly stated the best way to take down a sharingan user is in numbers because of the genjutsu.
E) Kakuzu was as brilliant as Shikamaru (or close to it). Madara seems to be especially brilliant. Deidara was a tactical genius (had to be for any of his techniques to work since he relied on surprise to do a lot of damage)
F) If he was so skilled why did he run from Jiraiya when Pein out right brutally killed him? If he was so strong why did he not kill Madara who he saw as a threat?
G) Stronger doesn't mean better always. The sharingan has the ability to "control" the kyuubi and Madara knew this. This was the safest way to achieve their objective. Also where is your proof that Itachi is the strongest? He didn't have massive stamina. His taijutsu wasn't amazing. His chakra levels are low. He's not super strong. His element control isn't anything special. In fact the only real things he has going for him is his awesome genjutsu skills and his MS. The rest is average to below average. P.S. I did forge to mention he has great speed which helps make the sharingan stronger.

That's 8 points in your argument with MASSIVE holes in it.

Smiley

12-08-2008, 01:18 PM

F) If he was so skilled why did he run from Jiraiya when Pein out right brutally killed him?

Because if he had defeated Jiraiya there he would have been forced to take Naruto to the Akatsuki hideout and extract his Bijuu, thus killing him which wasn't his intention.

This match though, goes to either Oro, Kakuzu or Sasori due to their durability.
Itachi could possibly win if Deidara blew himself up with CO, due to being the only one who could survive it (besides Madara).

MinatoNamikaze

12-08-2008, 05:59 PM

A) Itachi had help from Madara

As I said when I said he took out half the uchiha clan thank you

B) They killed the village while everyone was sleeping (via slitting throats and all that anbu assassination jazz or they would have raised the alarm...which didn't happen.)

Actually thats false. They all fought in battle. Noone was asleep. Look at the pics of sasuke in tsukiyomi. Itachi is fighting them not slitting sleeping throats.

C) Itachi has low stamina and in a ffa stamina matters a lot.

He has enough to defeat half the strongest clan in the world.

D) Its been clearly stated the best way to take down a sharingan user is in numbers because of the genjutsu.

He took out half the sharingan users in the world by himself.

E) Kakuzu was as brilliant as Shikamaru (or close to it). Madara seems to be especially brilliant. Deidara was a tactical genius (had to be for any of his techniques to work since he relied on surprise to do a lot of damage)

By no means did I mean everyone was an idiot. They are very smart, but Itachi's major advantage was his superior intelligence. Just look at all he was able to accomplish thourgh planning and analyzing. The whole thing with playing with sasuke mind, to knowing what he was going to do, to acting evil and fooling all other akatsuki memebrs (except madara).

F) If he was so skilled why did he run from Jiraiya when Pein out right brutally killed him? If he was so strong why did he not kill Madara who he saw as a threat?

Because of the reason Smiley gave. Thanks Smiley

G) Stronger doesn't mean better always. The sharingan has the ability to "control" the kyuubi and Madara knew this. This was the safest way to achieve their objective. Also where is your proof that Itachi is the strongest? He didn't have massive stamina. His taijutsu wasn't amazing. His chakra levels are low. He's not super strong. His element control isn't anything special. In fact the only real things he has going for him is his awesome genjutsu skills and his MS. The rest is average to below average. P.S. I did forge to mention he has great speed which helps make the sharingan stronger.

This is the main problemm people have with itachi. We have only seen hi use genjutsu. Why? becasue every fight hes been in he hasnt wanted to kill or hurt anyone too mad. How to you do that? GENJUTSU. You cant graduate the academy at 7, activate sharingan at 8, become Chunin at 10 - 13, and murder half the uchiha clan with genjutsu. Its not possible. He great at all the other aspects but he mastered genjtsu through his pacifist convictions. Do be fooled into thinking that what we saw was all he could do my friend. You have to think of the bigger picture. Why didnt he show us his taijutsu, nature manipulation, etc. (Ive stated above)

That's 8 points in your argument with MASSIVE holes in it.

Not as many holes as previously thought:D

D.I.Y Death

12-08-2008, 08:07 PM

Actually thats false. They all fought in battle. Noone was asleep. Look at the pics of sasuke in tsukiyomi. Itachi is fighting them not slitting sleeping throats.
I remember specifically that Sasuke woke up and the entire can was dead. Now if there was fighting wouldn't he have woken up earlier? I'd like to see some links proving this if you don't mind.

He has enough to defeat half the strongest clan in the world.

There's no doubt he's a genjutsu prodigy and the strongest of his clan (other than Madara and POSSIBLY Madara's deceased brother)
But this relates directly to how he killed all those ninja. If it was covert SHINOBI style then it doesn't prove he's strong. It proves he's skilled in stealth and deception...wait...isn't that what anbu is supposed to be skilled at?

He took out half the sharingan users in the world by himself.

Nice hyperbole :lmao:

By no means did I mean everyone was an idiot. They are very smart, but Itachi's major advantage was his superior intelligence. Just look at all he was able to accomplish thourgh planning and analyzing. The whole thing with playing with sasuke mind, to knowing what he was going to do, to acting evil and fooling all other akatsuki memebrs (except madara).

In terms in intellect I'd say he's on par with Hidan. Joking aside I agree. He's pretty bright but he's not the kind of fighter who can plan 100 moves in advance or even the type who can figure out how to live past their initial life. He's just good at exploiting weaknesses.

Because of the reason Smiley gave. Thanks Smiley

I can't argue with this because if I do this thread will turn into another Jiraiya vs Itachi thread and we all know how vigorous Smiley is when it comes to defending Itachi's innate ability to win against the legendary Sennin.

This is the main problemm people have with itachi. We have only seen hi use genjutsu. Why? becasue every fight hes been in he hasnt wanted to kill or hurt anyone too mad. How to you do that? GENJUTSU.
Wait a moment. The sharingan is all about genjutsu and Itachi is far from a pacifist. Pacifism doesn't mean you kill 1000 to save 100000.

You cant graduate the academy at 7
And yet Ino graduated and her skills fucking suck. It just means he was years ahead of the game as a child.

, activate sharingan at 8
Bloodline ability activation relates to his obvious skills the sharingan which I pointed out.

, become Chunin at 10 - 13
Remember what the exams were? 1vs1 fights. What has been stressed throughout the series? Fighting a sharingan user 1vs1 is stupid because genjutsu is extremely effective 1vs1.

, and murder half the uchiha clan with genjutsu.
At the time of murdering his clan he didn't have the MS...or so its implied. And he didn't have genjutsu that could kill so he had to use blades and techniques.

Its not possible.

And yet he did it with the help of someone who had/has the EMS.

He great at all the other aspects

His taijutsu isn't amazing like Gai/Lee's. His chakra manipulation isn't as good as Sakura/Tsunade's. His stamina isn't crazy like Jiraiya/Naruto's. His proficiency at non bloodline jutsu isn't amazing like Orochimaru/Sasuke's. His element control/chakra modling isn't anywhere near the level of the 4th's/Naruto/Sasuke's.

The only thing he has shown and therefore can be used to form a non biased opinion is his stunning skills with genjutsu and his sharingan "mastery". He also has great reflexes but that relates directly to his sharingan abilities.

but he mastered genjtsu through his pacifist convictions.
Sounds like an assumption to me.

Do be fooled into thinking that what we saw was all he could do my friend.
And yet there is absolutely no hint that he has anymore jutsu. If there was even a mentioning that he had more then I could take this seriously but there isn't which makes this speculation and I deal with facts.

You have to think of the bigger picture. Why didnt he show us his taijutsu, nature manipulation, etc. (Ive stated above)
Well he's a genjutsu master not a taijutsu/ninjutsu master. This means his skills are focused on genjutsu rather than anything else. After all when your genjutsu is so damn potent and you have a MS you don't really need anything else since you've pretty well been born with one of the strongest ninjutsu summoning and genjutsu techniques.

Not as many holes as previously thought:D

I beg to differ. I just picked your rebuttal apart and I'm half asleep still.

Muffin

12-08-2008, 10:49 PM

As I said when I said he took out half the uchiha clan thank you
Or it could've been Madara who did the majority of the work using the same time/space jutsu as the fourth. Sasuke said himself that there's no way Itachi could have made it past anbu by himself.

Actually thats false. They all fought in battle. Noone was asleep. Look at the pics of sasuke in tsukiyomi. Itachi is fighting them not slitting sleeping throats.
It was a very quiet battle then. Noone raised an alarm or anything go figure.

He has enough to defeat half the strongest clan in the world.
And a great deal of that clan were still women/children who never awoke sharingan.

He took out half the sharingan users in the world by himself.
With the help of someone who uses the same kind of techniques as someone who could wipe armies out in the blink of an eye.

By no means did I mean everyone was an idiot. They are very smart, but Itachi's major advantage was his superior intelligence. Just look at all he was able to accomplish thourgh planning and analyzing. The whole thing with playing with sasuke mind, to knowing what he was going to do, to acting evil and fooling all other akatsuki memebrs (except madara).
And what did he plan through planning and analyzing? A failed attempt the kill Madara that is all. He's done nothing to make him seem like tactical genius he could only dream of being able to analyze techniques and figure them out in battle like Kakashi or Shikamaru. None of that helps him when he's facing 10 other of the strongest shinobi around.

Because of the reason Smiley gave. Thanks Smiley
He couldn't defeat Jiraiya is the reason he ran.

This is the main problemm people have with itachi. We have only seen hi use genjutsu. Why? becasue every fight hes been in he hasnt wanted to kill or hurt anyone too mad. How to you do that? GENJUTSU. You cant graduate the academy at 7, activate sharingan at 8, become Chunin at 10 - 13, and murder half the uchiha clan with genjutsu. Its not possible. He great at all the other aspects but he mastered genjtsu through his pacifist convictions.
Link to manga page of Itachi showing his other skills that are better than genjutsu then pl0x?

Do be fooled into thinking that what we saw was all he could do my friend. You have to think of the bigger picture. Why didnt he show us his taijutsu, nature manipulation, etc. (Ive stated above)
Show us what he could do then? Or is this just an assumption on your part with nothing to back it up?

Not as many holes as previously thought:D

No D.I.Y. was right there are still plenty.

MinatoNamikaze

12-08-2008, 11:00 PM

I remember specifically that Sasuke woke up and the entire can was dead. Now if there was fighting wouldn't he have woken up earlier? I'd like to see some links proving this if you don't mind.

Sasuke actually was coming back from training at school.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/224/15/

At the bottom of this page we see blood splatered and cuts through uchiha crest. Slitting sleeping throats doesnt cause splaters and dead uchihas with sword in their hands. If they were asleep they wouldnt have swords.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/224/12/

I dont think this one needs an explanation. Battle scene, shuriken everywhere, blood splatter, destroyed buildings.

Theres your proof. Its also backed up by the anime which explicedly shows Itachi killing 10 uchiha running at him at once in Tsukiyomi. It was an all out battle, not a slit throat campaign.

There's no doubt he's a genjutsu prodigy and the strongest of his clan (other than Madara and POSSIBLY Madara's deceased brother)
But this relates directly to how he killed all those ninja. If it was covert SHINOBI style then it doesn't prove he's strong. It proves he's skilled in stealth and deception...wait...isn't that what anbu is supposed to be skilled at?

^^ already explained. And shuriken shows he was involved in taijutsu and shuriken battleing. Considering the uchiha were katon users, im sure its not a stretch to assume there was alot of Katon ninjutsu and suiton Jutsu used on itachis part.

Nice hyperbole :lmao:

Its not an exaggeration at all. He KILLED HALF THE UCHIHA CLAN, minimum.

In terms in intellect I'd say he's on par with Hidan.

:lmao: I knew you had a sense of humor :xd: :p :lol:

Joking aside I agree. He's pretty bright but he's not the kind of fighter who can plan 100 moves in advance or even the type who can figure out how to live past their initial life. He's just good at exploiting weaknesses.

I dont believe hes like shikamaru in teh sense of thinking 100 steps ahead cause hes never been pointed out for doing so. That being said its very possible he could. Just look at all he forsaw, predicted , and and even set up plans to counter the bad things. He had great forseight, but I dont want to make this thread an argument about his intelligence.

That immortality thing is more of an almost kekkai genkai in the sense that you pretty much have it at birth (Hidan and Kakuzu, cause kakuzu could control thouse viny things that connected to all the hearts.), not so much an intelligence factor. I mean just look at Hidan. :p On a side note, is it Hidan religion that keeps him alive or is it a special ability. i cant remeber off hand.

I can't argue with this because if I do this thread will turn into another Jiraiya vs Itachi thread and we all know how vigorous Smiley is when it comes to defending Itachi's innate ability to win against the legendary Sennin.

Lol good call. Different points of view, but like usual I share the same views as Smiley. If Itachi fought Jiriya they would have to take naruto and loosing htem both would cripple Konoha.

Wait a moment. The sharingan is all about genjutsu and Itachi is far from a pacifist. Pacifism doesn't mean you kill 1000 to save 100000.

The sharingan is also used to predict movemnets, genjutsu is just an added bonus.

Itahci was a pacifist. Heres tha page form onemanga.com http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/04/ Other translations have Pacifist in the last slide, onemanga translated it as a peaceful man hwo hated conflict. Both mean he was a pacifist. That being said a pacifist doesnt fight no matter what and wants to preserve peace. Itachi didnt want to fight but he HAD to, and he did it to preserve peace, so he still really qualifies as a pacifist to some extent. Not that it matters :D

And yet Ino graduated and her skills fucking suck. It just means he was years ahead of the game as a child.

But they all graduated at 12. Itachi could do what they could do at 12 when he was only 7!! So put all those years of learning onto that and hes one hell of a powerhouse.

Bloodline ability activation relates to his obvious skills the sharingan which I pointed out.

Yes he was gifted with strong uchiha blood/chakra.

Remember what the exams were? 1vs1 fights. What has been stressed throughout the series? Fighting a sharingan user 1vs1 is stupid because genjutsu is extremely effective 1vs1.

Its not just becasue of the genjutsu there dangerous 1v1, its a huge factor, but an even more important factor is its ability to tell the user their opponents next move. Thats why its soooo dangerous.

At the time of murdering his clan he didn't have the MS...or so its implied. And he didn't have genjutsu that could kill so he had to use blades and techniques.

Exactly. He had to use his pure skill to do that. No genjutsu. That PROVES that he was great at TAIJUTSU and NINJUTSU, not just genjtusu. Thanks for bringing that up:D

And yet he did it with the help of someone who had/has the EMS.

Yes as it was said in manga, he wasnt strong enought otake out the whole clan. He simply did not have enough chakra. Besides I said he only took out about half of it himslef. If i said he took out the whole thing I apologize becasue i by no means did that intentionaly.:D

His taijutsu isn't amazing like Gai/Lee's. His chakra manipulation isn't as good as Sakura/Tsunade's. His stamina isn't crazy like Jiraiya/Naruto's. His proficiency at non bloodline jutsu isn't amazing like Orochimaru/Sasuke's. His element control/chakra modling isn't anywhere near the level of the 4th's/Naruto/Sasuke's.

Thats a good point but you see what makes him strong is that hes not limited to one of those catagories. He is quite strong in all fo them and hes intelligent making him extremely dagnerous. HFrom what weve seen, hes not as good at taijutsu as gai/lee, but hes better at ninjutsu. He doesnt have the stamina of jiriya or naruto, but he has MS which makes him capable of quick fights. Besides hes not that bad if he can use a tsukiyomi, 2 amateratsu, and a sasuno combined with a few bushin and katon attacks and regular genjtusu. Im not going to argue about the non bloodline jutsu cause he hasnt shown us any but ill stress again its hard to get into anbu at 10 -13 without MS and only able to do a few katon jutsu. Anbu doesnt favor genjutsu too much. I wont comment of the chakra molding for the same reasons

The only thing he has shown and therefore can be used to form a non biased opinion is his stunning skills with genjutsu and his sharingan "mastery". He also has great reflexes but that relates directly to his sharingan abilities.

Well unfortunatly its not a fair assumption to say that all hes good at and ive stated the reasons in the answer/point above.

And yet there is absolutely no hint that he has anymore jutsu. If there was even a mentioning that he had more then I could take this seriously but there isn't which makes this speculation and I deal with facts.

Well then "deal" with the fact that you cant get into ANBU with katon jutsu, a suiton jutsu. Its not possible. If thats all he has, hes certainly not a prodigy by any means.

Well he's a genjutsu master not a taijutsu/ninjutsu master. This means his skills are focused on genjutsu rather than anything else. After all when your genjutsu is so damn potent and you have a MS you don't really need anything else since you've pretty well been born with one of the strongest ninjutsu summoning and genjutsu techniques.

I dont believe him to be a master of ninjutsu cause noone really is. Oro had alot, as did the third so maybe them but theres so many ninjutsu and everyone can use different ones so you cant really "master" it like Tai/genjutsu. Also his skill with hand signs proves he is EXTREMELY PROFFICIENT in NINJUTSU.

Taijutsu can be mastered as Lee and Gai have done so and I dont beleive him to be a master of Taijutsu btu he is skilled in it. Look at his ability with shuriken jutsu, hes no spring chicken.

I beg to differ. I just picked your rebuttal apart and I'm half asleep still

As I have just done:D P.S. Great post. There are some well thought out points. Youve got me thinking pretty good. Ill rep you for that

MinatoNamikaze

12-08-2008, 11:14 PM

Or it could've been Madara who did the majority of the work using the same time/space jutsu as the fourth. Sasuke said himself that there's no way Itachi could have made it past anbu by himself.

Sasuke said he couldnt defeat the whole Military police force http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/04/
no mention of ANBU. Madara would have had a major role, but Itachi took out about half at least. I have pages that say he took out the whole thing himslef even, btu we know he had help from Madara so I wont bring those in.:D

It was a very quiet battle then. Noone raised an alarm or anything go figure.

Who were Uchiha going to call? They were going to take over the village!! Dont think they'd be much help:D :D

And a great deal of that clan were still women/children who never awoke sharingan.

Are you saying clans are weak. Half is still half. Half the fighting force is still an huge number or uchiha who are in the top 2 strongest clans EVER!!

With the help of someone who uses the same kind of techniques as someone who could wipe armies out in the blink of an eye.

We still dont know if Madara's abilites are the same as the fourths. If they were then the 1st would ahve been defeated easily. Besides what does that have to do with Itachi taking out HALF not the whole thing, HALF.

And what did he plan through planning and analyzing? A failed attempt the kill Madara that is all. He's done nothing to make him seem like tactical genius he could only dream of being able to analyze techniques and figure them out in battle like Kakashi or Shikamaru. None of that helps him when he's facing 10 other of the strongest shinobi around.

DId you really just type that??:confused: Itachis forseight gave him the ability to give sasuke MS, Naruto some secret hidden power, and there will be more. All his attempts and his untouchable forseight will be tied together in the end. We still dont know the full extent of the power he gave naruto, his plan for sasuke and for Madara. Its fair to hypothesize that even though Madara says he has Itachi figured out, Itachi has something planned that will surpries Madara and lead to his dimise. Also the thing he gave naruto could SAVE ALL OF KONOHA. To say his planning has no effects and was a total failure is very narrow minded and well thought through at all.

He couldn't defeat Jiraiya is the reason he ran.

Not even getting into that with you.

Link to manga page of Itachi showing his other skills that are better than genjutsu then pl0x?

:facepalm: look at my last post.

Show us what he could do then? Or is this just an assumption on your part with nothing to back it up?

Again :facepalm: look at my last post

No D.I.Y. was right there are still plenty.

Far more in your counters though :D

0ba

12-08-2008, 11:51 PM

I dont think this one needs an explanation. Battle scene, shuriken everywhere, blood splatter, destroyed buildings.Throwing shuriken at women and children would lead to blood spattering too. :p

Theres your proof. Its also backed up by the anime which explicedly shows Itachi killing 10 uchiha running at him at once in Tsukiyomi. It was an all out battle, not a slit throat campaign.I didn't see that, but did the anime show him killing those 10 by himself?

^^ already explained. And shuriken shows he was involved in taijutsu and shuriken battleing. Considering the uchiha were katon users, im sure its not a stretch to assume there was alot of Katon ninjutsu and suiton Jutsu used on itachis part.Not really. It would be very wasteful and unwise to use a great fire ball jutsu on defenceless civilians. :S

Its not an exaggeration at all. He KILLED HALF THE UCHIHA CLAN, minimum.Unproven. He had help from Madara, who was faster, more powerful, and more experienced with the MS.

I dont believe hes like shikamaru in teh sense of thinking 100 steps ahead cause hes never been pointed out for doing so. That being said its very possible he could. Just look at all he forsaw, predicted , and and even set up plans to counter the bad things. He had great forseight, but I dont want to make this thread an argument about his intelligence.???

Itahci was a pacifist. Heres tha page form onemanga.com http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/04/ Other translations have Pacifist in the last slide, onemanga translated it as a peaceful man hwo hated conflict. Both mean he was a pacifist. That being said a pacifist doesnt fight no matter what and wants to preserve peace. Itachi didnt want to fight but he HAD to, and he did it to preserve peace, so he still really qualifies as a pacifist to some extent. Not that it matters :DWould you believe if the manga said Kisame was a pacifist? You don't kill a whole clan, along with the civilians and be a pacifist, imo.

But they all graduated at 12. Itachi could do what they could do at 12 when he was only 7!! So put all those years of learning onto that and hes one hell of a powerhouse.Does that matter? I'm very sure that Naruto at 15 would use a finger to beat a 15 year old Itachi's ass. After all, all he has are some crappy katon techs.

Its not just becasue of the genjutsu there dangerous 1v1, its a huge factor, but an even more important factor is its ability to tell the user their opponents next move. Thats why its soooo dangerous.Doesn't matter much when you're weaker than your opponent. They'd still figure out a way to hit you, and you might see, but not be able to react on time.

Exactly. He had to use his pure skill to do that. No genjutsu. That PROVES that he was great at TAIJUTSU and NINJUTSU, not just genjtusu. Thanks for bringing that up:DHe had the MS. He killed Shisui when the clan was alive. And all the techs are awakened together. NOT 'great taijutsu and ninjutsu'.

Thats a good point but you see what makes him strong is that hes not limited to one of those catagories. He is quite strong in all fo them and hes intelligent making him extremely dagnerous.The only reason he's 'extremely dangerous' is because of his MS.

HFrom what weve seen, hes not as good at taijutsu as gai/lee, but hes better at ninjutsu.Who isn't?

He doesnt have the stamina of jiriya or naruto, but he has MS which makes him capable of quick fights. Besides hes not that bad if he can use a tsukiyomi, 2 amateratsu, and a sasuno combined with a few bushin and katon attacks and regular genjtusu. Im not going to argue about the non bloodline jutsu cause he hasnt shown us any but ill stress again its hard to get into anbu at 10 -13 without MS and only able to do a few katon jutsu. Anbu doesnt favor genjutsu too much. I wont comment of the chakra molding for the same reasonsANBU are quite crappy ninja, imo. How many did Kabuto deal with alone? All we see of them is them getting killed and pwnd and all. :xd:

Well unfortunatly its not a fair assumption to say that all hes good at and ive stated the reasons in the answer/point above.That's all we've been shown. We can't assume that Kurenai's suddenly great at sealing jutsus, because ALL we've seen is her using genjutsu. You're the one assuming.

Well then "deal" with the fact that you cant get into ANBU with katon jutsu, a suiton jutsu. Its not possible. If thats all he has, hes certainly not a prodigy by any means.If Kakashi became a jounin with a chidori he couldn't use, anything is possible. :S

I dont believe him to be a master of ninjutsu cause noone really is. Oro had alot, as did the third so maybe them but theres so many ninjutsu and everyone can use different ones so you cant really "master" it like Tai/genjutsu. Also his skill with hand signs proves he is EXTREMELY PROFFICIENT in NINJUTSU.He's fast at hand seals, fast at seals, and seals alone. When you're proficient at ninjutsu, you don't make fast seals, you use LESS seals.

Taijutsu can be mastered as Lee and Gai have done so and I dont beleive him to be a master of Taijutsu btu he is skilled in it. Look at his ability with shuriken jutsu, hes no spring chicken.Has anyone actually been killed with a shuriken in the narutoverse? Shurikens are useless. Isn't everyone as proficient with shuriken now? :S

Sasuke said he couldnt defeat the whole Military police force http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/04/
no mention of ANBU. Madara would have had a major role, but Itachi took out about half at least. I have pages that say he took out the whole thing himslef even, btu we know he had help from Madara so I wont bring those in.:DAt least half? With a superior ninja more experienced at MS and time space jutsu? :S
So, if he fought alongside Konohamaru, he'd have killed 'at least half too'?

Who were Uchiha going to call? They were going to take over the village!! Dont think they'd be much help:D :DHow many people knew about that?

Are you saying clans are weak. Half is still half. Half the fighting force is still an huge number or uchiha who are in the top 2 strongest clans EVER!!Over half of the clan would have been unskilled ninja and ninja without sharingan and civillians.

We still dont know if Madara's abilites are the same as the fourths. If they were then the 1st would ahve been defeated easily. Besides what does that have to do with Itachi taking out HALF not the whole thing, HALF.Well, the main difference we've seen is that Madara does NOT need seals to teleport.

DId you really just type that??:confused: Itachis forseight gave him the ability to give sasuke MS, Naruto some secret hidden power, and there will be more. All his attempts and his untouchable forseight will be tied together in the end. We still dont know the full extent of the power he gave naruto, his plan for sasuke and for Madara. Its fair to hypothesize that even though Madara says he has Itachi figured out, Itachi has something planned that will surpries Madara and lead to his dimise. Also the thing he gave naruto could SAVE ALL OF KONOHA. To say his planning has no effects and was a total failure is very narrow minded and well thought through at all.:lol: @ foresight. I'd see that as a bucket list instead, you tend to think. He was already dying when he gave Naruto the power, which is unknown, and wanted Sasuke to have the MS to be more powerful, and kill Madara, which has already failed, btw.

Show us what he could do then? Or is this just an assumption on your part with nothing to back it up?We've seen what he's good at. Something the whole Uchiha clan would be good at if they all killed their best friends. Something they don't really work for. An awesome bloodline limit. What Sasuke is now, but Sasuke ACTUALLY is VERY good without the MS, and was almost equal to Itachi without it, since he's fast, has killer moves like chidori and kirin, and is great at taijutsu with the sword and the chidori current, and almost all Itachi's katon techs too. You're the one assuming that he has techs that haven't, and will never be shown since he's already dead. Should we assume that Asuma could also do the death reaper seal?

MinatoNamikaze

12-09-2008, 01:10 AM

Throwing shuriken at women and children would lead to blood spattering too. :p

Funny, but do you see any women or children in those pics??

I didn't see that, but did the anime show him killing those 10 by himself?

Yes it did

Not really. It would be very wasteful and unwise to use a great fire ball jutsu on defenceless civilians. :S

He would have used it against other shinobi or to block other katon attacks.

Unproven. He had help from Madara, who was faster, more powerful, and more experienced with the MS.

Well then do you mind proving to me that Madara killed more than half? If you can find an exact link Id be very impressed, cause there are none. I can give you manga pages that say Itahci killed them all by himself, and that was said by MADARA himself.:lol:

???

Youll see. Did you not pic up on the fact that Itachi had everything figured out. Sasuke has MS, Naruto has something that will turn out to help save Konoha and/or sasuke, etc. He had great forseight. Denying this proves ignorance about Itachi.

Would you believe if the manga said Kisame was a pacifist? You don't kill a whole clan, along with the civilians and be a pacifist, imo.

A peacful man, who hated conflict, and worked to preserve peace. Sounds like evidence of a pacifist to me. Can you show me evidence of someone saying that about any other Akatsuki member?

Does that matter? I'm very sure that Naruto at 15 would use a finger to beat a 15 year old Itachi's ass. After all, all he has are some crappy katon techs.

Wow, just wow. I think even Muffin and DIY would side with me on that one. Itachi is simply Narutos arch foe. All of Itachi stregnths match up perfectly with Narutos weaknesses. Besides, weve seen Naruto vs Itachi 1v1 and Naruto didnt even move because Itachi already had him in genjutsu when the fight began.

NOT 'great taijutsu and ninjutsu'.

Would you mind proving he isint good at nin and Taijutsu with links of petty jutsu and taijutsu abilities.

The only reason he's 'extremely dangerous' is because of his MS.

:facepalm: Again wow just wow. Read my other posts about getting into ANBU and graduating form the academy at 7.

ANBU are quite crappy ninja, imo. How many did Kabuto deal with alone? All we see of them is them getting killed and pwnd and all. :xd:

There better than Jounin. Weve only seen them once or twice and they have been used to make enemies look stronger. But considering they were going to assist the third fight OROCHIMARU, I dont think they are terribly weak otherwise they wouldnt have treid to fight him.

That's all we've been shown. We can't assume that Kurenai's suddenly great at sealing jutsus, because ALL we've seen is her using genjutsu. You're the one assuming.

I never assumed he was great at anything specifically. Im said he would have been good at other things, not this crappy chounin level ninjutsu user people make him out to me.

If Kakashi became a jounin with a chidori he couldn't use, anything is possible. :S

Well Kakashi, like itahci, is also very naturally gifted

He's fast at hand seals, fast at seals, and seals alone. When you're proficient at ninjutsu, you don't make fast seals, you use LESS seals.

Well there no point practicing fast hand seals if you cant use ninjutsu well.

Has anyone actually been killed with a shuriken in the narutoverse? Shurikens are useless. Isn't everyone as proficient with shuriken now? :S

Well actually yes. Look at the pics, people are killed with shuriken. Main characters arent becasue it wouldnt be good for entertainment value, but background people are killed all the time with them.

At least half? With a superior ninja more experienced at MS and time space jutsu? :S

Assumptions. Prove Itahci didnt kill at least half.:susp:

So, if he fought alongside Konohamaru, he'd have killed 'at least half too'?

Thats not an equal comparason. Itahci is strong enough to defeat half of them.

How many people knew about that?

The leadership did. Do you think they would have dispatched help if they ordered Itachi to kill them and knew what was going on. They woudl have kept things on the down low obviously.

Over half of the clan would have been unskilled ninja and ninja without sharingan and civillians.

Clansmen are not weak. Theres a reason Clans are so important. Its not just becasue of their strongest memebrs. ANy sharingan user is powerful. Thats why they form the Konoha Military Police.

Well, the main difference we've seen is that Madara does NOT need seals to teleport.

If it was the same tech, why didnt he kill the Konoha squad when he fought them?

:lol: @ foresight. I'd see that as a bucket list instead, you tend to think. He was already dying when he gave Naruto the power, which is unknown, and wanted Sasuke to have the MS to be more powerful, and kill Madara, which has already failed, btw.

Ignorance, just plane ignorance. I guess youll just have to wait to see the ramifications of ITachis planning and actions.

We've seen what he's good at. Something the whole Uchiha clan would be good at if they all killed their best friends. Something they don't really work for. An awesome bloodline limit. What Sasuke is now, but Sasuke ACTUALLY is VERY good without the MS, and was almost equal to Itachi without it, since he's fast, has killer moves like chidori and kirin, and is great at taijutsu with the sword and the chidori current, and almost all Itachi's katon techs too. You're the one assuming that he has techs that haven't, and will never be shown since he's already dead. Should we assume that Asuma could also do the death reaper seal?

No because there no reason to. There is plenty of logic in assuming he has more than he showed us. Remeber, weve never seen him go all out, even when he fought sasuke he held back, and HE HAD A FATAL DISEASE. People just have a hard time putting that into their thinking of Itachi. Too narrow minded.

Muffin

12-09-2008, 02:22 AM

Sasuke said he couldnt defeat the whole Military police force http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/04/
no mention of ANBU. Madara would have had a major role, but Itachi took out about half at least. I have pages that say he took out the whole thing himslef even, btu we know he had help from Madara so I wont bring those in.:D

Well Itachi couldn't have even taken out the stronger members of the police force without Madara's help. Itachi must have just killed the women and children while Madara did the hard yards and killed the police force.

Who were Uchiha going to call? They were going to take over the village!! Dont think they'd be much help:D :D

The Uchiha's did not know that Itachi was a double agent. They would've atleast called the konoha if they were aware they were being attacked.

Are you saying clans are weak. Half is still half. Half the fighting force is still an huge number or uchiha who are in the top 2 strongest clans EVER!!
Half could mean the defenceless women and children who were not even shinobi. Or they could have even been like Obito who was not strong by any regards. Just because they're part of a clan does not mean they're all fighters.

We still dont know if Madara's abilites are the same as the fourths. If they were then the 1st would ahve been defeated easily. Besides what does that have to do with Itachi taking out HALF not the whole thing, HALF.
He could have learnt the techniques long after his battle with the fourth.

DId you really just type that??:confused: Itachis forseight gave him the ability to give sasuke MS, Naruto some secret hidden power, and there will be more. All his attempts and his untouchable forseight will be tied together in the end. We still dont know the full extent of the power he gave naruto, his plan for sasuke and for Madara. Its fair to hypothesize that even though Madara says he has Itachi figured out, Itachi has something planned that will surpries Madara and lead to his dimise. Also the thing he gave naruto could SAVE ALL OF KONOHA. To say his planning has no effects and was a total failure is very narrow minded and well thought through at all.
Itachi's foresight does nothing to help him in this fight. He did nothing spectacular in battle and hasn't ever shown a great deal of intellect in battle. Itachi is no more brilliant than Hidan or Konan and don't you dare say he is in the same level of intelligence as Kakazu or Deidara.

:facepalm: look at my last post.
So you have no manga page?

Again :facepalm: look at my last post

If you have manga proof link it up. Otherwise your just telling us your personal opinion without evidence.

Funny, but do you see any women or children in those pics??
Oh i see so Itachi just let the women and children run free and didn't touch them?

Yes it did
Filler. Take it to the Dubbed and subbed section.

He would have used it against other shinobi or to block other katon attacks.
Yet there's no proof that any katon attacks were even used. Only stealth tactics where Itachi and Madara would use shurikens and kunai's to take out the most and quickly and quietly as possible.

Well then do you mind proving to me that Madara killed more than half? If you can find an exact link Id be very impressed, cause there are none. I can give you manga pages that say Itahci killed them all by himself, and that was said by MADARA himself.:lol:
You're the one stating Itachi killed half the clan. He could have only killed all the defenceless women and children while Madara killed the troublesome members. Any pages before Madara revealed he helped Itachi wipe out the clan do not count because that has already been had a retcon.

Youll see. Did you not pic up on the fact that Itachi had everything figured out. Sasuke has MS, Naruto has something that will turn out to help save Konoha and/or sasuke, etc. He had great forseight. Denying this proves ignorance about Itachi.
Doesn't really prove anything intelligence wise. He knew he was going die, knew Naruto was after Sasuke and forcibly awoken Sasuke's Mangekyo. I really do not see the Einstein efforts here.

A peacful man, who hated conflict, and worked to preserve peace. Sounds like evidence of a pacifist to me. Can you show me evidence of someone saying that about any other Akatsuki member?

Pein is doing the same thing by trying to collect the bijuu and is only simply using a different method to Itachi, the only difference between them is Pein has never lost a battle, never killed his best friend for power and didn't kill all his friends and family.

Wow, just wow. I think even Muffin and DIY would side with me on that one. Itachi is simply Narutos arch foe. All of Itachi stregnths match up perfectly with Narutos weaknesses. Besides, weve seen Naruto vs Itachi 1v1 and Naruto didnt even move because Itachi already had him in genjutsu when the fight began.
Itachi without Mangekyo at 15 wouldn't even be as strong as Sasuke is now, so yes i would actually say Itachi would lose to Naruto if they were both 15.

Would you mind proving he isint good at nin and Taijutsu with links of petty jutsu and taijutsu abilities.
You link us up to Itachi's amazing taijutsu and amazing ninjutsu first please.

:facepalm: Again wow just wow. Read my other posts about getting into ANBU and graduating form the academy at 7.
Graduating the academy is what Naruto and co did before they were part of their respective teams doesn't really make Itachi and uber all around hokage ninja.

There better than Jounin. Weve only seen them once or twice and they have been used to make enemies look stronger. But considering they were going to assist the third fight OROCHIMARU, I dont think they are terribly weak otherwise they wouldnt have treid to fight him.
They're fodder ninja's with masks. Nothing to prove that they're better than jounin. Jounin are teachers while Anbu simply prefer to work alone on missions, Kakashi was originally rusty even though he was part of Anbu before he was the leader of team 7.

I never assumed he was great at anything specifically. Im said he would have been good at other things, not this crappy chounin level ninjutsu user people make him out to me.
Yet you assume he was amazing even without his mangekyo. Which is not true. Mangekyo and Genjutsu is what makes him strong without them he's not very amazing at all.

Well Kakashi, like itahci, is also very naturally gifted
I daresay Kakashi is even more gifted than Itachi. Kakashi made it to chuunin without any kekkai genkai, using only his own natural talent.

Assumptions. Prove Itahci didnt kill at least half.:susp:
Prove Itachi did all the hard work in taking out the military police. He's not made for taking on more than one opponent which is why his clone was creamed easily by only Kakashi and Naruto.

Thats not an equal comparason. Itahci is strong enough to defeat half of them.
Strong enough to let Madara use his time/space jutsu to take out the majority maybe while Itachi takes out the few strong ones he encounters on his rounds to the nurseries.

The leadership did. Do you think they would have dispatched help if they ordered Itachi to kill them and knew what was going on. They woudl have kept things on the down low obviously.
The Uchiha's did not know Itachi was a double agent thus had no reason to think konoha knew of their intentions.

Clansmen are not weak. Theres a reason Clans are so important. Its not just becasue of their strongest memebrs. ANy sharingan user is powerful. Thats why they form the Konoha Military Police.
Not everyone in the clan was as strong as Itachi and Sasuke, which is what you seem to fail to understand. The Uchiha's are nothing like the hyuuga's where every member can awaken the byakugan. Most Uchiha's don't even awaken theirs.

If it was the same tech, why didnt he kill the Konoha squad when he fought them?
Because he was busy picking up Sasuke so he could molest him in the cave.

Ignorance, just plane ignorance. I guess youll just have to wait to see the ramifications of ITachis planning and actions.
Because as smart and as meticulous as Itachi's planning was Madara is always 2 steps ahead of him. Itachi's plans done nothing to deter Madara getting to Sasuke, he couldn't kill Madara and Madara predicted that Sasuke would kill and surpass Itachi.

No because there no reason to. There is plenty of logic in assuming he has more than he showed us. Remeber, weve never seen him go all out, even when he fought sasuke he held back, and HE HAD A FATAL DISEASE. People just have a hard time putting that into their thinking of Itachi. Too narrow minded.

No there isn't. He's shown his best moves. He's dead and that's the best we'll ever see of him. You can't prove he has anything better than what he shown before he died so you're just making assumptions that he must be better and unless you have proof you are wrong.

0ba

12-09-2008, 02:46 AM

Funny, but do you see any women or children in those pics??Do you see defenceless civilian children getting killed in Naruto? Don't the Uchiha's procreate? What of the people like the old lady who greeted Sasuke and asked about Itachi? And her husband? How about Sasuke's mom? Did they all have sharingan? Are they all ninja? All Uchiha's are ninja?

Yes it didLet's wait for someone else to confirm that. Or just post a pic, or episode number, something.

He would have used it against other shinobi or to block other katon attacks.Civilians don't use katon attacks. So you agree, we can assume it was the civilians he used the shurikens on. :xd:

Well then do you mind proving to me that Madara killed more than half? If you can find an exact link Id be very impressed, cause there are none. I can give you manga pages that say Itahci killed them all by himself, and that was said by MADARA himself.:lol:You have no proof that he killed less than half. Your proof says he killed ALL of them, which do we believe? I'll leave it at that, and frankly, it's not relevant anyway.

Youll see. Did you not pic up on the fact that Itachi had everything figured out. Sasuke has MS, Naruto has something that will turn out to help save Konoha and/or sasuke, etc. He had great forseight. Denying this proves ignorance about Itachi.Had WHAT figured out? That Sasuke would turn bad and plot to kill the village elders he took orders from? So, he powered him up? :S
I'd like to see Naruto beat Sasuke with his own power, not kyuubi or Itachi's crows or anything else. Just Naruto.

A peacful man, who hated conflict, and worked to preserve peace. Sounds like evidence of a pacifist to me. Can you show me evidence of someone saying that about any other Akatsuki member?By capturing tailed beasts for Akatsuki who would use them to... preserve peace? :xd:

Wow, just wow. I think even Muffin and DIY would side with me on that one. Itachi is simply Narutos arch foe. All of Itachi stregnths match up perfectly with Narutos weaknesses. Besides, weve seen Naruto vs Itachi 1v1 and Naruto didnt even move because Itachi already had him in genjutsu when the fight began.At 15? With a 1000 clones with rasengans? With ONLY sharingan?

Would you mind proving he isint good at nin and Taijutsu with links of petty jutsu and taijutsu abilities.Links of petty jutsu and taijutsu abilities? You can do better than that. :xd:

:facepalm: Again wow just wow. Read my other posts about getting into ANBU and graduating form the academy at 7.Just because he graduated at 7 doesn't make him better than anyone else. What if the 4th graduated at 9? Does it make Itachi better? Ino graduated a year earlier than Neji. SO?

There better than Jounin. Weve only seen them once or twice and they have been used to make enemies look stronger.:huh:
FAIL.

But considering they were going to assist the third fight OROCHIMARU, I dont think they are terribly weak otherwise they wouldnt have treid to fight him.The 2 best jounin, Gai and Kakashi were busy in the stadium, Asuma was after Shika, and Kurenai... isn't relevant. :xd:
Were they supposed to just run away? Even with all that 'will of fire' sh!t? :xd:

I never assumed he was great at anything specifically. Im said he would have been good at other things, not this crappy chounin level ninjutsu user people make him out to me.No he wasn't. He wasn't using ANYTHING but crappy chuunin level ninjutsu, iirc.

Well Kakashi, like itahci, is also very naturally giftedSo is Sasuke. So is Neji. But they didn't graduate at 7, so what?

Well there no point practicing fast hand seals if you cant use ninjutsu well.Too bad for Itachi, I guess. Fast hand seals, poor ninjutsu. :S

Well actually yes. Look at the pics, people are killed with shuriken. Main characters arent becasue it wouldnt be good for entertainment value, but background people are killed all the time with them.All the time? Examples?

Assumptions. Prove Itahci didnt kill at least half.:susp:Irrelevant.

Thats not an equal comparason. Itahci is strong enough to defeat half of them.Irrelevant.

The leadership did. Do you think they would have dispatched help if they ordered Itachi to kill them and knew what was going on. They woudl have kept things on the down low obviously.The elders only, iirc.
Irrelevant.

Clansmen are not weak. Theres a reason Clans are so important. Its not just becasue of their strongest memebrs. ANy sharingan user is powerful. Thats why they form the Konoha Military Police.Wasn't that for political reasons? NOT because of the sharingan's strength.

If it was the same tech, why didnt he kill the Konoha squad when he fought them?What's the correlation? Maybe he had his reasons NOT to kill them all? Maybe he couldn't? That's why he had been avoiding all their attacks? The 4th's tech didn't kill, it got him around faster. He did the killing with the kunai.

Ignorance, just plane ignorance. I guess youll just have to wait to see the ramifications of ITachis planning and actions.Exactly. So, for now, technically, the Sasuke plan has failed, he didn't kill Madara, and he's actually part of Akatsuki now, working for Madara. And the Naruto plan is still unsure.

No because there no reason to. There is plenty of logic in assuming he has more than he showed us. Remeber, weve never seen him go all out, even when he fought sasuke he held back, and HE HAD A FATAL DISEASE. People just have a hard time putting that into their thinking of Itachi. Too narrow minded.There's no reason to assume that Itachi had another overpowered tech. Because it's DEFINITELY NOT an MS tech. Only THREE are awakened. Left eye ninjutsu, right eye genjutsu, and a THIRD one, one we're not sure of yet. So, you're saying he had some other seriously powerful, NON-MS technique. And that's just silly. Since all he's done are crappy katons, and raven bunshins.

D.I.Y Death

12-09-2008, 02:48 AM

Sasuke actually was coming back from training at school.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/224/15/

At the bottom of this page we see blood splatered and cuts through uchiha crest. Slitting sleeping throats doesnt cause splaters and dead uchihas with sword in their hands. If they were asleep they wouldnt have swords.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/224/12/

I dont think this one needs an explanation. Battle scene, shuriken everywhere, blood splatter, destroyed buildings.

There's 5 bodies with maybe 2 kunai on the ground and a few charred marks.

Theres your proof. Its also backed up by the anime which explicedly shows Itachi killing 10 uchiha running at him at once in Tsukiyomi.
In tsukiyomi? What?

It was an all out battle, not a slit throat campaign.

It had to be a slit throat campaign for the most part. Why? No alarms were raised. Does this mean that's all that was done? No there was definitely some normal fighting as well.

^^ already explained. And shuriken shows he was involved in taijutsu and shuriken battleing. Considering the uchiha were katon users, im sure its not a stretch to assume there was alot of Katon ninjutsu and suiton Jutsu used on itachis part.
I think there was a lot of Katon and Suiton jutsu used be everyone.

Its not an exaggeration at all. He KILLED HALF THE UCHIHA CLAN, minimum.

Not to nitpick but the Uchiha clan isn't the only users of genjutsu. Oh there's no proof on if he killed half or if Madara killed more.

That immortality thing is more of an almost kekkai genkai in the sense that you pretty much have it at birth (Hidan and Kakuzu, cause kakuzu could control thouse viny things that connected to all the hearts.), not so much an intelligence factor. I mean just look at Hidan. :p On a side note, is it Hidan religion that keeps him alive or is it a special ability. i cant remeber off hand.

No one who is "immortal" has a kekkai genkai except for Madara. Hidan's religion makes him immortal.

Lol good call. Different points of view, but like usual I share the same views as Smiley. If Itachi fought Jiriya they would have to take naruto and loosing htem both would cripple Konoha.
I'll breifly touch on this. There is absolutely no evidence to support Itachi as being anywhere near as powerful as Jiraiya's level. If he was that powerful its obvious Itachi would have just killed Pein to prevent the massive bloodshed he disliked to see.

But they all graduated at 12. Itachi could do what they could do at 12 when he was only 7!! So put all those years of learning onto that and hes one hell of a powerhouse.
Not really he just has the sharingan and awesome paralleled skills in genjutsu.

Exactly. He had to use his pure skill to do that. No genjutsu. That PROVES that he was great at TAIJUTSU and NINJUTSU, not just genjtusu. Thanks for bringing that up:D
What? No Itachi had genjutsu he was a prodigy in genjutsu and had the sharingan.

Thats a good point but you see what makes him strong is that hes not limited to one of those catagories. He is quite strong in all fo them and hes intelligent making him extremely dagnerous.
He has TERRIBLE element control compared to shinobi who use their elements a lot. His over sized Katon wasn't anything we haven't seen before. His taijutsu was ok. He was fast but he didn't have any specific style of had to hand combat. His ninjutsu was average from what we had seen. The only things he excelled at was his MS and genjutsu. That made him dangerous since the MS has Amaretsu (ninjutsu) Susano (summoning) and Tsykuomi (genjutsu) and all were very powerful. But he didn't have to work his way into being skilled enough to use them. Once he gained the MS he simply had those techniques. No skill relation what so ever in those fields.

HFrom what weve seen, hes not as good at taijutsu as gai/lee, but hes better at ninjutsu.

He's shown superb reflexes...whcih he needs to use the sharingan to its full potential. Nothing else was above average about his ninjutsi skills.

Im not going to argue about the non bloodline jutsu cause he hasnt shown us any but ill stress again its hard to get into anbu at 10 -13 without MS and only able to do a few katon jutsu.

He had awakened his 3 tome sharingan by then and that alone allows him to react to the chakra color (knowing what jutsu they are going to use next) and read their body language since essentially the sharingan would be comparable to having the vision of a hawk. This alone gives him an advantage over most Anbu candidates.

Anbu doesnt favor genjutsu too much.

Where did you read this? fanfiction?

I wont comment of the chakra molding for the same reasons

He has shown absolutely no ability in chakra molding and a little above average with element manipulation (larger than normal katon).

Well then "deal" with the fact that you cant get into ANBU with katon jutsu, a suiton jutsu. Its not possible. If thats all he has, hes certainly not a prodigy by any means.
He has a sharingan and genjutsu. He's a prodigy but he's not a ninjutsu/taijutsu prodigy or he would be like Lee or Naruto and pulling out some inner gates/rasenshriuken. instead he's so proficient in genjutsu he can capture the enemy in one by pointing at them.

I dont believe him to be a master of ninjutsu cause noone really is.

Master refers to their over all skills in the field. Sasuke/Naruto/Jiriya/the 4th would be considered "masters" because of their highly advanced ninjutsu skills.

Oro had alot, as did the third so maybe them but theres so many ninjutsu and everyone can use different ones so you cant really "master" it like Tai/genjutsu.

Oro was about quantity and not quality. What I define as a "master" at ninjutsu is somene who has obtained the skills to create techniques so powerful they are literally legendary (rasenshriuken/Kirin)

Also his skill with hand signs proves he is EXTREMELY PROFFICIENT in NINJUTSU.
That doesn't prove anything. It just shows that he can move his hands really fast.

Taijutsu can be mastered as Lee and Gai have done so and I dont beleive him to be a master of Taijutsu btu he is skilled in it.
Look at his ability with shuriken jutsu, hes no spring chicken.

There's more to Taijutsu than just being quick. I won't argue he isn't fast because he is but he's not strong and doesn't have mastery or even the beginnings for learning the gates.

Itachi is a strong shinobi but he isn't built for ffa scenarios. He's a brutal 1vs1 fighter but a shitty everyone for themselves fighter.