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Soul
01-01-2008, 11:20 PM
Found on Superfrenchie.com

The issue of whether French-bashing is racism comes back regularly in this blog, so let’s try to address it once and for all.

We’re of course talking about the worst instances, such as when we’re called cowards, monkeys, or dirty.


I say it is racism for the following reasons:

The concept of race is not a scientific one. Races do not exist genetically. The concept of race is a social one.

I define racism as being the hate of an entire people for just being who they are, as opposed to for what they may have done.

For example, when Jonah Goldberg calls us “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”, or says that “raccoons bathe more than the average Frenchman”, this to me is definitely racism.
http://superfrenchie.com/?p=97


For a test on whether an insult may or may not be racism, I suggest trying to replace the word French by a word such as “black”, “Mexican”, or “Jew”.

“When you insult the French people, simply because they are French, then it’s a kind of racism campaign,” Jean-David Levitte, the French ambassador to the United States, has said.

Others prefer to use words like “prejudice”, “discrimination”, “stereotypes”, bigotry, “xenophobia” or even “Francophobia” and think it is counter-productive to equate French-bashing and racism. I am certainly aware that many Americans define racism in a different context, as to them it is strongly associated with the history of their relationship with blacks in this country.

So, what do you think? Is French-bashing racism? [vote in the new poll]


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HinataCuddle
01-01-2008, 11:29 PM
Hmmm I don't think it would fit in "racism". The french are of the same "race" (if such a thing exists) of italians or the spanish and others. What I'd call that is instead "Mindless stereotyping", which, although has a different name than racism, it could as well be just as bad.

Like when people say of italians "Spaghetti, Pizza, Kapeesh?". It's funny if said in proper context, but when it gets out of hand it's really unnerving.

KaitouSai100
01-01-2008, 11:36 PM
It is, but I'm still gonna make French jokes.

majinsharingan
01-02-2008, 12:32 AM
Too long.
Kinda bad question.
The French are not a race.
Nor are Jewish people...that's a religion.
And the France is a place not a race.
You live there for 5 years your DNA doesn't change and BOOM. Your French.
No they stamp a paper and BOOM your French.
Neither Jew's or French are a race.

Incendiary
01-02-2008, 01:15 AM
Majin, I disagree.
Racism has a number of definitions.
It isn't nessecerily about race, it can be any specific group of people that share the same religion/beliefs/or whatever.
There is a population of people that call themselves the FRENCH because they speak the French language, thus if you're biased against them, yeah, you're racist.
Look it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

majinsharingan
01-02-2008, 01:44 AM
Yeah...that's just laziness there. Not coming up with another word.
Tsk, tsk. Ms. Webster.

But yeah I understand.

Incendiary
01-02-2008, 01:46 AM
Hey, I assumed this stuff even before going to wikipedia.
And don't call me Ms. Webster.
That's Miss Uchiha to you. :D :p

KingTW
01-02-2008, 10:27 AM
racism is insulting people of different race/color

French Bashing is not racist, but it is a different kind of pregidist type, so all in all, it's still targetting a certain group for certain things and insulting them for it, so it's still very wrong

HinataCuddle
01-02-2008, 02:36 PM
Majin, I disagree.
Racism has a number of definitions.
It isn't nessecerily about race, it can be any specific group of people that share the same religion/beliefs/or whatever.


It's true, racism has many definitions, but I think we should stick to the legal definition. The article you posted states that:
"Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of group privilege."
Let's leave sociologists to do their thing. Like Majin said, they're recycling the word. Making fun or "bashing" a people, and not a race (again, if such a thing as a race exists), should not fall under racism, but under "Sterotyping":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotyping

And, as as I said, even not being the same thing as racism, it's probably just as bad.

majinsharingan
01-02-2008, 07:30 PM
racism is insulting people of different race/color

French Bashing is not racist, but it is a different kind of pregidist type, so all in all, it's still targetting a certain group for certain things and insulting them for it, so it's still very wrong

Predigest! Yes thank you! The word is Predigest!.

HinataCuddle
01-02-2008, 07:35 PM
Predigest! Yes thank you! The word is Predigest!.

Hehe xD You're alays funny, Matt :)

Anyway, am I right to assume you meant "prejudice"?

majinsharingan
01-02-2008, 08:15 PM
oh riight. My word was Pre-Digest...lol.
Yes I meant your word. :D

Incendiary
01-02-2008, 09:15 PM
Lol...^^

It's true, racism has many definitions, but I think we should stick to the legal definition. The article you posted states that:
"Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of group privilege."
Let's leave sociologists to do their thing. Like Majin said, they're recycling the word. Making fun or "bashing" a people, and not a race (again, if such a thing as a race exists), should not fall under racism, but under "Sterotyping":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotyping

And, as as I said, even not being the same thing as racism, it's probably just as bad.


All I did was state a fact. I wasn't agreeing/disagreeing or whatmore with anyone.

On the side note, I love to bash people. :D

and um, I have no clue whether I agree with sociologists or not. XD

PriscillaXOXOXOX
01-10-2008, 04:06 AM
I never understood the french bashing.

Drums
01-10-2008, 03:52 PM
Stereotyping at its best.
http://www.familiesynaeve.be/Pictures/the_perfect_european.jpg
It happens to everybody.
Deal with it.