abortion after rape?

[gckiss]

what do u guys think about a girl getting an abortion after she is rapped.

[NejiTaker]

...She has every right to? Who in their right mind can prevent a woman from having an abortion after being raped? >.>

[kstylegunz]

disgusts me

[Senwyn]

She can have an abortion. It's not like she wanted the baby and clusters of cells died every day. At the end of the day, rape is bad enough without an unwanted child too. What if the mother grew to hate it?
Though I suppose adoption would be possible if they carried it fullterm.

[majinsharingan]

Completely alright.
Seeing the child would just make her remember what happened to her.

[Senwyn]

Just out of interest, how many people who agreed to abortion in this case would agree to it in any other situation?
I'm prochoice, so I would be perfectly happy about it.
Happy's the wrong word. Perfectly comfortable with it.

[majinsharingan]

I agree with it in all cases.
The woman has every right to.

[shikamaru]

^^ agreed
:]

[¤ Shrike † Itachi ¤]

Completely alright.
Seeing the child would just make her remember what happened to her.

You make it seem like it was the childs fault.

[majinsharingan]

It wasn't.
But you look at the child and you remember what happened and that sticks with you for the rest of your life.

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

^^exactly.
im prochoice, whatevr the case may be...just as long as the woman doesn't abuse the fact that abortions r available 2 her.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

Ugh, even thought i hate the idea of an abortion, I guess this would be an ok thing. As for the comment about "seeing the baby would make her remember" have you heard of adobtion?

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

yea but the mother wouldnt be happi about having 2 give birth 2 it, even if shes gonna give it up as soon as its born...it still hurts.

[kstylegunz]

I still hate abortion ideas

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

^^lol well ur not a gurl so i guess it doesnt realli matter if u hate it..

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

Well I'm a girl and I hate it, so does that matter, no, it doesn't...

[majinsharingan]

Okay, think 4 years back.
Could you of had a baby back then?
And survived child birth?

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

who are you talking too?

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

^^probably u...i think abortion is fine, he's probably trying 2 change ur mind about...so determined.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

Oh if the dude was talking to me, hahaha, I live in Hayward CA, and I have another home in Concord, HAHAH-HA, I had two pregnat girls in my class, noth 14, a cousin who had a kid at 12, and in I'm 17, so yeah, I sould have had a kid at the age.

[KaitouSai100]

However, if you did, it's very likely that you'd get hurt and your hormones would out of whack. Even if you survived, later on down the road, it's very likely you'd suffer from imbalanced hormones and other things.

And apparently Adoption costs money. Who knew?

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

^^lol i knew...u cant just get a life changing procedure like that and not hav 2 pay for it....

[itachi0110]

i agree she has every right to do it

[HyuugaHinata]

It's the girl's decision. What ever she believes is the right thing to do..

[itachi0110]

getting an abortion is the right thing to do

[KillTheOpposing]

It's completely up to the woman. If she wants the child she should keep it but if she doesn't want a child or wants to have one with somebody she knows rather then a rapist then abortion is completely an option.

[Olivia_13]

Hold on. If the man that raped her had aids or some kind of disease that the baby would be born with and suffer from it the rest of it's life it shouldn't have to live with it. I would say abortion is the only option she'd have in that case. But if it was just fine she should have the choice.

[itachi0110]

yeah but it's hard for some women because they just can't go through with it.

[itachigurl69]

i think the woman does have the right to get an abortion. Also it seems to be the best-IN MY OPINION.

@ olivia_13: u are so right. if the man who raped her had a disease then it would be passed to the child making the child go thru more pain physically. the mental pain would hav to be knowing that they were born out of their mother who was raped....... thats sad :(

[majinsharingan]

^^lol i knew...u cant just get a life changing procedure like that and not hav 2 pay for it....

Lmao I LOVE that logic when the woman's been raped.
Wouldn't that just be hilarious.
First they get raped...then they get pregnant...then she finds out she has to pay to get rid of the thing she didn't want in the first place!
Why don't we just drop a piano on her car just to f**k with her some more.

[itachi0110]

Lmao I LOVE that logic when the woman's been raped.
Wouldn't that just be hilarious.
First they get raped...then they get pregnant...then she finds out she has to pay to get rid of the thing she didn't want in the first place!
Why don't we just drop a piano on her car just to f**k with her some more.


i hope this is a joke.

[Kuro Nagashi]

She does have the right to get an abortion, but I don't believe in abortion after a female has been sexually assulated/ raped and then becomes pregnant. This is very inhumane and unorthodox, I feel this way because even in the earliest stages of pregnancy it is a living thing that we would consider a homosapien.

Think of the unbareable pain of dumping a vat of acid onto your body and then assume what the child would feel during an abortion. You probably can't even fathom this.

Take into account that if you commit homecide on a pregnant woman you are held accountable with two counts of murder, however if the parent choose's to kill the child through abortion she isn't charged. This is also a horrible unjust thing inside our government because they let the parent get away with murder of a child but not someone else.

[itachi0110]

She does have the right to get an abortion, but I don't believe in abortion after a female has been sexually assulated/ raped and then becomes pregnant. This is very inhumane and unorthodox, I feel this way because even in the earliest stages of pregnancy it is a living thing that we would consider a homosapien.

Think of the unbareable pain of dumping a vat of acid onto your body and then assume what the child would feel during an abortion. You probably can't even fathom this.

Take into account that if you commit homecide on a pregnant woman you are held accountable with two counts of murder, however if the parent choose's to kill the child through abortion she isn't charged. This is also a horrible unjust thing inside our government because they let the parent get away with murder of a child but not someone else.


murder, wow that is completly different, now answer this would u want to grow up with aids because yur mother was raped and passed it on to u, wut would u rather have happen.

[majinsharingan]

i hope this is a joke.

What the part at the end of the fact that I love the fact that we're kicking women who've become pregnant after rape while they're down?
When I say I love the fact, that means it's so stupid, it's funny.

She does have the right to get an abortion, but I don't believe in abortion after a female has been sexually assulated/ raped and then becomes pregnant. This is very inhumane and unorthodox, I feel this way because even in the earliest stages of pregnancy it is a living thing that we would consider a homosapien.

1. You're a dude, as a fellow dude I can say your opinion on this is worth little to nothing. You haven't nor can you go through pregnancy, so saying abortion is not allowed is illogical on your part. Because you don't know the other side of it, nor do you know what child birth is like.

2. Wrong. It's not a human until the third trimester. The earliest stage of pregnancy is directly after conception, when the thing you call a baby is technically a sperm. If you say that's a child then having a child is having an abortion because that's one child born, and MANY "children" "killed".

Think of the unbareable pain of dumping a vat of acid onto your body and then assume what the child would feel during an abortion. You probably can't even fathom this.

:lmao:
Itachi, this is the time I would use "I love the fact".

"Imagine the unbearable pain of having an abortion...you can't fathom this..."

If by you you mean me, then you're correct, I can't fathom this with anything short of a knife.
if by you you mean the mother, you're lucky this is over the internet because I know people who would slap the fuck out of you for saying that.


Take into account that if you commit homecide on a pregnant woman you are held accountable with two counts of murder

Depending on how far along the woman is.
If the woman is in her third trimester then it could be considered two counts of murder.
But like I said, you can't take into account EVERY single story, so saying 100% of it is wrong is just foolish. Especially since it's not "killing" the "child" until the third trimester.

This is also a horrible unjust thing inside our government because they let the parent get away with murder of a child but not someone else.

"I love the fact..."

1. I can name damn near 100 more unjust things inside our government than this.
2. It's not murder unless the third trimester. Learn some biology, if you continue to insist that it's murder when it's not I'm gonna start using phrases such as get over it, and get over it.
3. A human can live on it's own. A baby cannot live on it's own until the third trimester, however if it is taken out three weeks(I believe) before the due date, chances are it will not have a very good life. Or just have a hard childhood.

[KaitouSai100]

Think of the unbareable pain of dumping a vat of acid onto your body and then assume what the child would feel during an abortion. You probably can't even fathom this.

Actually that's incorrect. The first nerve endings don't form until week six and it's not until just before week eight that the body organs fully form. So basically abortion would be relatively painless to the fetus.

[Kuro Nagashi]

fine no matter how far along the parent is you are still killing an innocent child who did nothing wrong to anyone and it's not the parents fault or the child's fault for coming into this world however it came into it and the mother shouldnt kill it even as a fetus.

And i would rather live with aids because my mother passed it down to me, rather than have her kill me when i was still inside the womb as a fetus or as a progessing organism.

Murder is also not a tottaly diffrent thing because you are murdering a baby through abortion, no matter how young it is, it is going to feel the pain as the abortion happens even if it is a still a fetus.

[majinsharingan]

fine no matter how far along the parent is you are still killing an innocent child who did nothing wrong to anyone and it's not the parents fault or the child's fault for coming into this world however it came into it and the mother shouldnt kill it even as a fetus.

I see someone's playing hardball.
Basically what your saying even if it's not a child you're still killing a child?
It's very much the parents fault for conceiving a child.

"It's not like you fell into her, then out of her, then in, then out, etc...." - Dr. Cox


And i would rather live with aids because my mother passed it down to me, rather than have her kill me when i was still inside the womb as a fetus or as a progessing organism.

You wouldn't know so you couldn't make that decision.
You're still refusing to accept scientific fact. You're going by what you believe to be true, which isn't true at all.

Murder is also not a tottaly diffrent thing

You can't teach science please don't try and teach law.

And yes, yes it is. VERY much a different thing.

because you are murdering a baby through abortion, no matter how young it is, it is going to feel the pain as the abortion happens even if it is a still a fetus.

You have one, maybe two, three posts at most before I lose my patience.
Venus stated scientific fact, a fact in which you ignored.
You will not do that again.
Take into account the fact Venus posted.
The fact that clearly disproves your entire argument.
There is no reason to make her repeat herself.

[Kuro Nagashi]

I dont care wether it can feel or not or wether you consider it to be a child or not. It will be a human life and you are taking that away from them that my incompetent friend is murder!!

[Rikuo86]

Isn't this a...i don't know.. an unwanted baby threw rape?
Under those circumstances the mother has every right to have an abortion.

[jooter]

Abortion is a very viable option, and in most cases the only option in incidents such as this.
If the pregnancy was continued and born unwanted not only does the mother underwent the pain of pregnancy for something she despises I'm guessing the child would only live in hell in hands of a mother with no single care for him.

[majinsharingan]

I dont care wether it can feel or not or wether you consider it to be a child or not. It will be a human life and you are taking that away from them that my incompetent friend is murder!!

You're logic fails just as everyone's else's does.
Don't call me incompetent when clearly you are the one who is not competent. You're case is failing. I suggest backing it up with scientific fact and regaining your hold before mudslinging.

It's not a child, and it can't feel. It's not consideration, it's scientific fact.
Now I'm sorry you can't accept that but I really don't care enough to take the time out to sit here and go back in forth with you.
It's scientific fact that it is neither a child nor can it feel. GET OVER IT.
It's not a big deal. It means nothing at all to you. Are you a woman? Do you have a uterus? Are you pregnant?

You need a dictionary as well as a science textbook.

A child cannot feel under the 2nd week of the 2nd trimester.
A child is technically not even a child until the 3rd trimester.

Scientific fact proves you wrong, you look like a bloody fool arguing against fact. You might as well be trying to prove that we have 12 fingers on each hand.

[0ba]

You're logic fails just as everyone's else's does.
Don't call me incompetent when clearly you are the one who is not competent. You're case is failing. I suggest backing it up with scientific fact and regaining your hold before mudslinging.

It's not a child, and it can't feel. It's not consideration, it's scientific fact.
Now I'm sorry you can't accept that but I really don't care enough to take the time out to sit here and go back in forth with you.
It's scientific fact that it is neither a child nor can it feel. GET OVER IT.
It's not a big deal. It means nothing at all to you. Are you a woman? Do you have a uterus? Are you pregnant?

You need a dictionary as well as a science textbook.

A child cannot feel under the 2nd week of the 2nd trimester.
A child is technically not even a child until the 3rd trimester.

Scientific fact proves you wrong, you look like a bloody fool arguing against fact. You might as well be trying to prove that we have 12 fingers on each hand.Unnecessary.

[SooperTrooper]

Abortion? Well, why not, many teenagers can choose this option if they would like, if i had intercourse [and was a girl teen] i would probably get an abortion. Sometimes it's the best option.

You might disagree with me, but, theres my opinon.

[majinsharingan]

Unnecessary.

The first one was quite necessary. His definition of murder is our definition of ejaculation. The dictionary comment was very necessary.

The second comment, I hoped someone would actually see that by you I didn't mean him, I meant him, me, you, venus, everyone. If I say...Let's say you...that's hypothetical. You would look like a fool if you took a hypothetical situation literally.
See how I did that?

[itachi0110]

well said matt and now i kno wut u mean when u say that lol, and kura nagashi it's not as serious as yur putting it out to be, it's not murder it would be a bigger deal if yur more far along like matt said, and it's sad u would rather have that burden on u, but i personaly wouldn't, and oba sometimes there is times where u have to say unnecessary things to make a point, it's the only way to get through to many people.

[PristineNymph]

well said matt and now i kno wut u mean when u say that lol, and kura nagashi it's not as serious as yur putting it out to be, it's not murder it would be a bigger deal if yur more far along like matt said, and it's sad u would rather have that burden on u, but i personaly wouldn't, and oba sometimes there is times where u have to say unnecessary things to make a point, it's the only way to get through to many people.

Actually that's why it's called unnecessary because it doesn't add to the point at all. ^.^

It should be the choice of the rape victim and I stress the victim because she is a victim. She already suffered at the hands of the rapist and now you want her to suffer even more for something the rapist left in her like a souvenir or a postcard or something?!?!

It would also not be fair for the baby to be born in a world full of hate and anger towards him/her. Can you imagine if the mother is forced to go through the pregnancy what would she feel for that spawn of a demon(well in her point of view that is actually true ^.^) I believe she could not even accept her as her own.

And it's not even a baby yet. If you are raped and you go to the police immediately they would give you a medicine that would flush out all the things inside your uterus. And at that time they are just cells... And I know you don't cry for every dead skin cell you shed everyday. ^.^

[0ba]

The first one was quite necessary. His definition of murder is our definition of ejaculation. The dictionary comment was very necessary.

The second comment, I hoped someone would actually see that by you I didn't mean him, I meant him, me, you, venus, everyone. If I say...Let's say you...that's hypothetical. You would look like a fool if you took a hypothetical situation literally.
See how I did that?LMAO :lmao:

I get it, I get it.

[Kuro Nagashi]

PristineNymph you have a point but im not saying she doesnt have a choice it's just to me and hopefully some other people in this world wrong all im saying/asking is why doesnt she just carry the baby and put it up for adoption so that it still has a chance their is only one way iwould ever agree with abortoin is if their is a definite chance of the baby dieing before birth then i agree because whats the oint of birthing or carrying a baby that wont live through the prenancy

And i wasnt arguing against facts i was arguing against the abortoin and zeppy what you said Sometimes it's the best option.
i dont agrre even though you said we might not but abortoin to me is never the best option

and jooter Abortion is a very viable option, and in most cases the only option in incidents such as this

there are always other options than this

[Sai15]

idont think its right for abortion cause i would rather give the child up for adoption

[23-NarutoLover4Eva-23]

i think she shoul hav an abortion after she get raped...

[Sai15]

you kno that aborted babies rate is higher than the killings in iraq

[Merla]

Abortions are a tricky area. Much depends on the person and their beliefs, but the situation is also vital. It is a viable option, if you agree with it. There's a girl who should have been in the year above who left school to have a baby, and now she's in my year, and she's doing great. She's even getting married to the father. So teenage pregnancies can work with a pinch of compromise.

However, I can imagine the feelings of a rape victim- e.g. In Tess of the D'Ubervilles, the main character is raped, and falls pregnant. She names the baby Sorrow (blatantly Hardy >.<) Typically, she was ostracized by society. The baby dies, and I know this is a novel, but it captures so much truth.

Living in the age we do, people should be thankful for choice. The girl raped had no choice when the bloke forced himself on her. It's instinct to love one's child, but how much bitterness will the mother feel every time she looks at the child with eyes so similar to the rapist's? How do you think the child created would feel about themselves if they knew who had sired them?

And adoption? The vast majority of children don't even end up meeting any potential families. They live in Care, or hostels. The ones who find good families are lucky.

In the end, it all depends on the person. What's "right" and what's "wrong" is only based on opinions.

[majinsharingan]

It should be the choice of the rape victim and I stress the victim because she is a victim. She already suffered at the hands of the rapist and now you want her to suffer even more for something the rapist left in her like a souvenir or a postcard or something?!?!

Basically what I said.
Except I pointed out how unfair JJ's point was involving the money AND keeping the baby.

PristineNymph you have a point but im not saying she doesnt have a choice it's just to me and hopefully some other people in this world wrong all im saying/asking is why doesnt she just carry the baby and put it up for adoption so that it still has a chance

When you grow a uterus and have a child you're opinion on this will actually mean something. Until then you should really stop saying they should just "deal with it".

And i wasnt arguing against facts i was arguing against the abortoin and zeppy what you said i dont agrre even though you said we might not but abortoin to me is never the best option

You however, are arguing against facts.
You seem to think that sperm is a child.
You clearly have no experience in Biology based on this debate.

there are always other options than this

Like keeping the baby that you didn't want in the first place.

Like becoming homeless.

Like having to put pressure on other people's lives, which could result in little to large repercussions.

You have no idea at all.
You have no idea what it's like, nor will you ever know.
Nor do you have any idea what these people are going through.
Saying abortion should be illegal for everyone is assuming that everyone can rightfully take care of a child and that's also assuming that everyone WANTED the child which is plain ignorant.

idont think its right for abortion cause i would rather give the child up for adoption

Well that's very noble and selfless of you.
However, if you have the heart to say you'll do that chances are you don't have the heart to actually do that.

[majinsharingan]

you kno that aborted babies rate is higher than the killings in iraq

So?
It's none of your business.
Why do you care?
I love the fact that we are the most selfish bunch of fools in the world, yet we're still complaining about abortion.
Not only that but the death rate each day in Iraq varies so by saying that it is ALWAYS higher than the death rate when the death rate is different everyday, well that very well proves your statement incorrect.

[KaitouSai100]

PristineNymph you have a point but im not saying she doesnt have a choice it's just to me and hopefully some other people in this world wrong all im saying/asking is why doesnt she just carry the baby and put it up for adoption

So she should put up with a baby, taking her nutrients, giving her stretch marks and strange cravings just to put the child up for adoption? Are you saying that you would allow her to go through the horrible pain of childbirth, just for that? And you wish for the child to go to an orphanage, from which he may or may not be adopted from?

[majinsharingan]

So she should put up with a baby, taking her nutrients, giving her stretch marks and strange cravings just to put the child up for adoption? Are you saying that you would allow her to go through the horrible pain of childbirth, just for that? And you wish for the child to go to an orphanage, from which he may or may not be adopted from?

Teamwork ftw! :D

[KaitouSai100]

I was actually thinking that if we went to the same school, we'd be awesome PFD (Public Forum Debate) partners. I'd get the evidence, you'd come up with arguments. xD

[majinsharingan]

That would be awesome. :D
You should definitely move everyone over here so we could do that xD

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Guess I'll be devils advocate for a while:p :p


You however, are arguing against facts.
You seem to think that sperm is a child.
You clearly have no experience in Biology based on this debate.
Ok Biology (and even legal speak)
-When (Biologically) is a baby alive
-When (Legally) is a baby alive
Now the problem here is that these change. There are newer and different definitions for both of these all the time.
So whats to say that that Baby/Foetus that was aborted wasn't really alive just that our scientific equipment simply wasn't good enough to see it?

You have no idea at all.
You have no idea what it's like, nor will you ever know.
Nor do you have any idea what these people are going through.
Saying abortion should be illegal for everyone is assuming that everyone can rightfully take care of a child and that's also assuming that everyone WANTED the child which is plain ignorant.
But then is that any right to end the life of anouther?
just because your lifestyle is going to be diminished then is that sufficient cause to punish the life of anouther human to prevent it

So she should put up with a baby, taking her nutrients, giving her stretch marks and strange cravings just to put the child up for adoption? Are you saying that you would allow her to go through the horrible pain of childbirth, just for that? And you wish for the child to go to an orphanage, from which he may or may not be adopted from?
Maybe. Better to have the chance to live then to die in anonymity as a samll cell mass.

[Kuro Nagashi]

I never said that it should be illegal to get an abortion im just implying that its unjust

You however, are arguing against facts.
You seem to think that sperm is a child.
You clearly have no experience in Biology based on this debate.

it can be considered a child at the time of conception because their is proven fact that this is true and here is a link to the information


http://www.eaglesnesthome.com/facts.htm, plus hears a small passage out of the first three weeks


The First 3 Weeks

Your single cell split into two cells, then four, then eight. Grow, child, grow! After three weeks, you are still only about the size of a freckle or mole, or one tenth of an inch long. However, you already show the beginnings of your eyes, brain, lungs, stomach, and other important body organs. Your heart is now beating regularly. It actually began beating on and off as early as your eighteenth day.

Actually that's incorrect. The first nerve endings don't form until week six and it's not until just before week eight that the body organs fully form. So basically abortion would be relatively painless to the fetus.


so way before the sixth week it is alive because it has a regular heart beat on and off

this also proves its a celled organism and can be considered alive

About 3 days after conception: The zygote now consists of 16 cells and is called a 16 cell morula (a.k.a. pre-embryo). It has normally reached the junction of the fallopian tube and the uterus.

here's the link i got it from

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fetu.htm

[Butter]

Its the moms choice.She could have it and take care of it(which i am tottaly for)or she can get it aborted.She has full right to do it because she got rapped

[majinsharingan]

Ok Biology (and even legal speak)
-When (Biologically) is a baby alive
-When (Legally) is a baby alive
Now the problem here is that these change. There are newer and different definitions for both of these all the time.
So whats to say that that Baby/Foetus that was aborted wasn't really alive just that our scientific equipment simply wasn't good enough to see it?


Who's to say that everything we've done isn't wrong.
The second you question one thing about science, you question everything.

just because your lifestyle is going to be diminished then is that sufficient cause to punish the life of anouther human to prevent it


Depends on your definition of a life.

it can be considered a child at the time of conception because their is proven fact that this is true and here is a link to the information

:lmao:
.........................:lmao:
:lmao:
Oh dear God that was hilarious.
Oh my God that about had me on the floor.

That site is bull.
It's cheap ass html design proves that enough for most of us. If that didn't do it then it's the fact that it's a religious site dealing with science. And if you still don't buy that, then let's say God doesn't decide things, Scientific Fact is what is considered to be fact. Not some jackass going around pretending to be God.

http://www.eaglesnesthome.com/facts.htm, plus hears a small passage out of the first three weeks

:lmao:

Your single cell split into two cells, then four, then eight. Grow, child, grow!

:lmao:

After three weeks, you are still only about the size of a freckle or mole, or one tenth of an inch long. However, you already show the beginnings of your eyes, brain, lungs, stomach, and other important body organs. Your heart is now beating regularly. It actually began beating on and off as early as your eighteenth day.

1, One tenth of an inch...you lost me there. Actually truth be told you lost me about 6 posts ago. Eyes, Brain, lungs, stomach, liver, kidney, pancreas, uterus/testicles, etc...etc...etc...Fit into a small freckle?
I'll wait for Venus before commenting on that.

2, A virus is technically alive. It harms your life just as much as a child would(physically if you can't afford to support yourself let alone a child as well as physically in the literal sense, mentally if you were raped, if that doesn't affect you then you're already messed up.).



so way before the sixth week it is alive because it has a regular heart beat on and off

Because Jesus said so?

this also proves its a celled organism and can be considered alive


This right there proves why you're case is softer than that green thing from Barney.

You consider EVERYTHING to be murder.
Either that or you don't believe that abortion is murder.
You can't believe in one part of a whole and not believe in the other.

here's the link i got it from

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fetu.htm

:lmao:
OMG I fell out of my chair. Not even kidding I flipped backwards and landed on my trash can. It hurt like hell but :lmao:!!!

[KaitouSai100]

so way before the sixth week it is alive because it has a regular heart beat on and off

this also proves its a celled organism and can be considered alive

Not necessarily, being alive is an abstract concept. I suppose you could make the argument that a heartbeat = alive, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's truly alive. I don't consider it alive until it's nerve endings are formed.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fetu.htm

I don't trust sites like that. They tend to be highly, highly biased. If you want me to take your arguement seriously, get the fact from a legit newspaper or magazine (TIME, Newsweek, New York Times, Washington Post...), or from a legit medical website.


Maybe. Better to have the chance to live then to die in anonymity as a samll cell mass.

Not necessarily, if one had to choose death over a life of pain and torture and hardships, I'm sure many would choose death.

[jooter]

Ok Biology (and even legal speak)
-When (Biologically) is a baby alive

http://www.weeklypregnancycalendarandstretchmarktreatment .com/stage%20of%20pregnancy%20development.shtml
Everything is alive even a cell! The question is when it can really be called a human baby or not. I guess it could be on the 27th week since do define a human is whether it could think or not! :lol:


-When (Legally) is a baby alive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act
(I'm killing myself here! :xd:)


Now the problem here is that these change. There are newer and different definitions for both of these all the time.
So whats to say that that Baby/Foetus that was aborted wasn't really alive just that our scientific equipment simply wasn't good enough to see it?

Technically all our cells are alive. But the problem is whether to call them human or not.


But then is that any right to end the life of anouther?
just because your lifestyle is going to be diminished then is that sufficient cause to punish the life of anouther human to prevent it

We are talking about rape here. You could think that the rapist have given her a ticking timebomb that would ruin her life and eventually kill her literally or not. It is like self defense you can't be convicted of murder if you do it through self defense. :^^:


Maybe. Better to have the chance to live then to die in anonymity as a samll cell mass.
As Venus said I would rather die painless than suffer agonizing pain while alive. It's like a dog... putting it down painless in a pound is humane while beating it to death is terribly wrong and inhumane. :lol:

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Not necessarily, if one had to choose death over a life of pain and torture and hardships, I'm sure many would choose death.
Ah but then there is the question.
How can you prove that your life or that of the babies (Whether you keep it or adopt it out) will then be one of pain and hardships should the pregnancy go ahead?

Technically all our cells are alive. But the problem is whether to call them human or not.
Exactly:cool: . And until you can prove 100% that the baby/foetus/ovum/little blob thing ISN'T then it is always possible that you are committing murder (Or Infanticide) by performing an abortion of a human life.
We are talking about rape here. You could think that the rapist have given her a ticking timebomb that would ruin her life and eventually kill her literally or not. It is like self defense you can't be convicted of murder if you do it through self defense. :^^:
However self defence is considered to be Justified for saving your life or the life of someone else from certain death. but not considered justified if it is not for this purpose or if you cannot prove that in killing one you are saving the life of anouther.


(Remember I am being devils advocate here and so these do not necessarily reflect my view on the subject. I simply thought the debate was a bit one sided)

[jooter]

Exactly:cool: . And until you can prove 100% that the baby/foetus/ovum/little blob thing ISN'T then it is always possible that you are committing murder (Or Infanticide) by performing an abortion of a human life.

Can you describe what is a human? What differentiates human from trees, parasites, and animals.


However self defence is considered to be Justified for saving your life or the life of someone else from certain death. but not considered justified if it is not for this purpose or if you cannot prove that in killing one you are saving the life of anouther.

It can be justified because you already know what will happen you already know that your life would be ruined not to mention your body if you continue the pregnancy... It's like when someone is coming at you with a knife. You're not entirely sure on that knife hitting you and killing you until after it hit you and killed you. :xd: But you know what will happen if you let it continue on that course therefore you have to deflect it and if the attacker died then it's just self defense. :lol:


(Remember I am being devils advocate here and so these do not necessarily reflect my view on the subject. I simply thought the debate was a bit one sided)
8) :lol:

[PristineNymph]

PristineNymph you have a point but im not saying she doesnt have a choice it's just to me and hopefully some other people in this world wrong all im saying/asking is why doesnt she just carry the baby and put it up for adoption so that it still has a chance their is only one way iwould ever agree with abortoin is if their is a definite chance of the baby dieing before birth then i agree because whats the oint of birthing or carrying a baby that wont live through the prenancy

What do you expect the rape victim would do? Suck it up and take that 9 months of extensive pain and discomfort just to bore a child that will live all his/her days in pain and suffering? I know some rape victims want to have that child and raise it as their own but they should have a choice about it and not be forced to do something that would ruin their life.

Ah but then there is the question.
How can you prove that your life or that of the babies (Whether you keep it or adopt it out) will then be one of pain and hardships should the pregnancy go ahead?

Living the life of an unwanted rape child. What would you feel if you knew that your father was a rapist and that your mother doesn't care for you even one bit? I believe you would feel pain at least an emotional one. Even if you are put into an adoption agency who's parents on their right mind would want a child born from a rapist?!?!
Now if you honestly tell me that you are willingly going to give up the life you have now and live the life of that rape child then maybe I would believe you.


Exactly:cool: . And until you can prove 100% that the baby/foetus/ovum/little blob thing ISN'T then it is always possible that you are committing murder (Or Infanticide) by performing an abortion of a human life.

Every cell is alive but if we kill it that doesn't mean that we are murders. We shed our dead skin cells everyday and can you say we are murderers? If I cut my nails or hair that are continuously growing can you call me a murderer?
You can assume that it is alive but can you really call it a human? It's just basically a parasite that consumes the host's nutrients.

[majinsharingan]

Ah but then there is the question.
How can you prove that your life or that of the babies (Whether you keep it or adopt it out) will then be one of pain and hardships should the pregnancy go ahead?

How can you prove that it won't?
Do you take that chance?
Because the I guarantee that if you're saddened by the idea of abortion then you're gonna wanna hang yourself if you see what they could go through.

Exactly:cool: . And until you can prove 100% that the baby/foetus/ovum/little blob thing ISN'T then it is always possible that you are committing murder (Or Infanticide) by performing an abortion of a human life.

It can't live on it's own though.
If it cannot live on it's own then it's no more of a murder than pulling the plug.
If abortion is murder then so is doing your job as a doctor.

[0ba]

Ah but then there is the question.
How can you prove that your life or that of the babies (Whether you keep it or adopt it out) will then be one of pain and hardships should the pregnancy go ahead?

What do you expect the rape victim would do? Suck it up and take that 9 months of extensive pain and discomfort just to bore a child that will live all his/her days in pain and suffering?How little you know. If someone rapes Paris Hilton, the kid will NOT spend all his/her days in pain. They won't all live their days in pain. So, to be considerate, a little bit, rapists should rape only the rich. :p

Even if you are put into an adoption agency who's parents on their right mind would want a child born from a rapist?!?!After trying to conceive for 10 years with in-vitro, surrogates, etc without result, you might even consider a cross between reptile and man.
The kid's name isn't going to be 'RapistSpawn', neither is s/he going to have a note stuck on his forehead. S/he might never know.

Every cell is alive but if we kill it that doesn't mean that we are murders. We shed our dead skin cells everyday and can you say we are murderers? If I cut my nails or hair that are continuously growing can you call me a murderer?
You can assume that it is alive but can you really call it a human? It's just basically a parasite that consumes the host's nutrients.Very well said. 8)

[majinsharingan]

How little you know. If someone rapes Paris Hilton, the kid will NOT spend all his/her days in pain. They won't all live their days in pain. So, to be considerate, a little bit, rapists should rape only the rich. :p

First of all, that kid would damn near kill the woman.
Second of all, the child would be ****ed up.
Third of all, no one would rape Paris Hilton, you rape someone who won't have sex with you.

After trying to conceive for 10 years with in-vitro, surrogates, etc without result, you might even consider a cross between reptile and man.
The kid's name isn't going to be 'RapistSpawn', neither is s/he going to have a note stuck on his forehead. S/he might never know.

Oh s/he'll know.

[0ba]

First of all, that kid would damn near kill the woman.
Second of all, the child would be ****ed up.
Third of all, no one would rape Paris Hilton, you rape someone who won't have sex with you.You try chatting up Paris. There are some rare cases, I guess. :p

And from what we know, she might have a thing for younger males if you saw that music video. :lol:

Oh s/he'll know.How? Not everyone is comfortable with letting people know that they've been raped. What if the kid is abandoned? How'd he know? What if the victim makes her boyfriend/lover/husband think he's the father, and they both agree to give the kid up for adoption. It's impossible to tell.

[majinsharingan]

How? Not everyone is comfortable with letting people know that they've been raped. What if the kid is abandoned? How'd he know? What if the victim makes her boyfriend/lover/husband think he's the father, and they both agree to give the kid up for adoption. It's impossible to tell.

You clearly aren't adopted.

[0ba]

You clearly aren't adopted.And quite happy with that. :p

But seriously, how would you know?

[majinsharingan]

And quite happy with that. :p

But seriously, how would you know?

That's why you can't understand.
Because you're not adopted.
Believe me, if you were adopted, you would know.

Edit: Damn i was really hoping I could bold the smiley.

[0ba]

That's why you can't understand.
Because you're not adopted.
Believe me, if you were adopted, you would know.

Edit: Damn i was really hoping I could bold the smiley.I get it, I'm not adopted and all. But... what if I was? And I never bothered to ask? Or I was bought? What difference would it make, how would it make it easier for me to find out if my mother was raped? That's the part I don't understand, adopted or not.

[majinsharingan]

I get it, I'm not adopted and all. But... what if I was? And I never bothered to ask? Or I was bought? What difference would it make, how would it make it easier for me to find out if my mother was raped? That's the part I don't understand, adopted or not.

You would know.
Trust me.
The chances of you not being told are incredibly slim.

[0ba]

You would know.
Trust me.
The chances of you not being told are incredibly slim.You would be told that you were given up for adoption. You would be told that no one knows who's your father. Majin, would you tell anyone if you got pregnant through rape? It's a dark, terrible secret, a horrible experience, it's not something you tell anyone. Especially not the child. Especially if you give the said child up for adoption. It just doesn't happen that way. It would even be easier to say it was a one-night stand, or even claim that it was some teenage crush or current lover, NOT a rapist.

[majinsharingan]

You would be told that you were given up for adoption. You would be told that no one knows who's your father. Majin, would you tell anyone if you got pregnant through rape? It's a dark, terrible secret, a horrible experience, it's not something you tell anyone. Especially not the child. Especially if you give the said child up for adoption. It just doesn't happen that way. It would even be easier to say it was a one-night stand, or even claim that it was some teenage crush or current lover, NOT a rapist.

And you honestly think that's the kind of thing that can be kept in?

[PristineNymph]

How little you know. If someone rapes Paris Hilton, the kid will NOT spend all his/her days in pain. They won't all live their days in pain. So, to be considerate, a little bit, rapists should rape only the rich. :p

Oh... you're trying to be funny! That's cute! ^.^

How do you think Paris would raise that child? I can see it now. S/he would be dumb as a brick and would be used and abused by all the people around him/her. What a great life! And of course Paris would have a hatred for him/her because she was forced to bear that liability not only that S/he have forever scarred the only good thing about her, her body. With no one to care about him/her being used by society. I wouldn't be surprised if S/he became a drug addict and killed him/herself.


After trying to conceive for 10 years with in-vitro, surrogates, etc without result, you might even consider a cross between reptile and man.
The kid's name isn't going to be 'RapistSpawn', neither is s/he going to have a note stuck on his forehead. S/he might never know.

No. They would be better off with a dog.
You know there are family backgrounds when you are going to adopt a child in a legit adoption agency so they will always know.


How? Not everyone is comfortable with letting people know that they've been raped. What if the kid is abandoned? How'd he know? What if the victim makes her boyfriend/lover/husband think he's the father, and they both agree to give the kid up for adoption. It's impossible to tell.
Abandoned? Oh... now you say that I would bear the child that could almost kill me then throw it away? That's a very good idea!!!
There are ways to know. DNA test, family background, police investigation, and even the curiosity of that kid and the rubbernecking of the agency staff. Even if there's only a slight hint of him/her being a child of a rapist S/he would be forever labeled as such. Now if you're going to buy a jewelry would you rather have a smooth perfect pearl or a cracked stained one?


I get it, I'm not adopted and all. But... what if I was? And I never bothered to ask? Or I was bought? What difference would it make, how would it make it easier for me to find out if my mother was raped? That's the part I don't understand, adopted or not.
If you are adopted of course you would be dying to find out who's your biological parents are even for just curiosity. Finding the truth doesn't necessarily mean wanting what you find.


You would be told that you were given up for adoption. You would be told that no one knows who's your father. Majin, would you tell anyone if you got pregnant through rape? It's a dark, terrible secret, a horrible experience, it's not something you tell anyone. Especially not the child. Especially if you give the said child up for adoption. It just doesn't happen that way. It would even be easier to say it was a one-night stand, or even claim that it was some teenage crush or current lover, NOT a rapist.
And if you have a shady background wouldn't anybody suspect anything? Suspicion will bring about rumors. And rumors will bring in doubt. And doubt would only be dissipated by indubitable truth. If you can't disprove the doubt it would be like accepting it as truth.

S/he would find out sooner or later and the blow would be significantly harder if it was later. Thinking that s/he have always lived in a lie.

[0ba]

Oh... you're trying to be funny! That's cute! ^.^Your sarcasm hurts. :p

How do you think Paris would raise that child? I can see it now. S/he would be dumb as a brick and would be used and abused by all the people around him/her. What a great life! And of course Paris would have a hatred for him/her because she was forced to bear that liability not only that S/he have forever scarred the only good thing about her, her body. With no one to care about him/her being used by society. I wouldn't be surprised if S/he became a drug addict and killed him/herself.You don't know Paris. People change with the situation. She could be a good mom, you never know. Spotlight does that to people, I guess, when for some reason, because of her previous actions you suddenly think she couldn't handle raising a child. This isn't Britney Spears. Why would the kid be dumb? :confused:
When you have so much money, know your mom is Paris Hilton, and take after your mom, be decent looking, of good background and family, it's going to be hard to 'become a druggie and kill yourself.'

No. They would be better off with a dog. You know there are family backgrounds when you are going to adopt a child in a legit adoption agency so they will always know.A kid, is a child of a rapist. Good. So, he CAN'T be adopted again? He's not human? He has to suffer for his parents actions? And are you sure of the legit adoption agencies? Madonna somehow adopted some Malawian kid against the law, how?


Abandoned? Oh... now you say that I would bear the child that could almost kill me then throw it away? That's a very good idea!!!So, it doesn't happen? Every child conceived is kept by the parents? You wouldn't do it, but you wouldn't fly a plane into the twin towers, neither would you lock your daughter in your basement and father her children. There are sick people on this planet, I guess.


There are ways to know. DNA test, family background, police investigation, and even the curiosity of that kid and the rubbernecking of the agency staff. Even if there's only a slight hint of him/her being a child of a rapist S/he would be forever labeled as such. Now if you're going to buy a jewelry would you rather have a smooth perfect pearl or a cracked stained one?If the parents are both dead, rapist and victim, and the victim kept the rape to herself, how'd the DNA test tell that it was rape, and not mutual consent? What's wrong with being the child of a rapist? Does that make you a potential rapist? You make it sound discriminating.

If you are adopted of course you would be dying to find out who's your biological parents are even for just curiosity. Finding the truth doesn't necessarily mean wanting what you find.Yes, you might find out who they are, somehow, think of all the millions of kids around the world, abandoned, do you think they all don't want to find their parents? Is it that easy? You don't just go outside and shout 'mommy!'

And if you have a shady background wouldn't anybody suspect anything? Suspicion will bring about rumors. And rumors will bring in doubt. And doubt would only be dissipated by indubitable truth. If you can't disprove the doubt it would be like accepting it as truth.A kid abandoned because of poverty, a kid abandoned after pregnancy by mutual sex, a kid abandoned after pregnancy by rape, all have the same background, if you ask me. There's no shady, good, bad, or anything. Would you hold the kid for the mistakes of their parents? They were all abandoned, unfortunately by their parents. The 'shadiness' is on the parents, not the kid.

S/he would find out sooner or later and the blow would be significantly harder if it was later. Thinking that s/he have always lived in a lie.A lie? How? The kid is conceived after two people have sex and abandoned, or given up for adoption. If you could deal with growing up alone, not knowing your family, seeing your friends with their families, something you will never have, I doubt it would be such a big blow if some woman you don't even know, your mom, who abandoned you, was raped, and you were born.

[PristineNymph]

Your sarcasm hurts. :p


You don't know Paris. People change with the situation. She could be a good mom, you never know. Spotlight does that to people, I guess, when for some reason, because of her previous actions you suddenly think she couldn't handle raising a child. This isn't Britney Spears. Why would the kid be dumb? :confused:
When you have so much money, know your mom is Paris Hilton, and take after your mom, be decent looking, of good background and family, it's going to be hard to 'become a druggie and kill yourself.'

If she was forced to conceived that baby of course she would not change! She didn't plan it and she didn't even want it! She was raped. If she's changed she would only change for the worse. And the kid would be dumb because there would be no one to teach it anything because no one really cares.
No... it's actually quite easy. Easier in fact if you have all that. ^.^


A kid, is a child of a rapist. Good. So, he CAN'T be adopted again? He's not human? He has to suffer for his parents actions? And are you sure of the legit adoption agencies? Madonna somehow adopted some Malawian kid against the law, how?

Yes it is very unlikely that the child would be adopted. Only if the parents are desperate and the child is the only human orphan in the world. Too bad but it's true... The child has to suffer for his parents actions. That is why abortion is a better answer.
Then sell the child for parts in a black market I think that is better for you than be aborted.


So, it doesn't happen? Every child conceived is kept by the parents? You wouldn't do it, but you wouldn't fly a plane into the twin towers, neither would you lock your daughter in your basement and father her children. There are sick people on this planet, I guess.

It can be done but can you say that it is the best possible option to do? That's why you have a brain and you are presented a choice to do what is best.


If the parents are both dead, rapist and victim, and the victim kept the rape to herself, how'd the DNA test tell that it was rape, and not mutual consent? What's wrong with being the child of a rapist? Does that make you a potential rapist? You make it sound discriminating.

Yes it is very discriminating but that's what society is, just accept it. Everyone wants the best for themselves. So it is only natural to choose the best kind of child and not someone with a shady background.


Yes, you might find out who they are, somehow, think of all the millions of kids around the world, abandoned, do you think they all don't want to find their parents? Is it that easy? You don't just go outside and shout 'mommy!'

If they try hard enough they could. Or they could live forever in the orphanage or the street not knowing who they really are and why are they there abandoned.


A kid abandoned because of poverty, a kid abandoned after pregnancy by mutual sex, a kid abandoned after pregnancy by rape, all have the same background, if you ask me. There's no shady, good, bad, or anything. Would you hold the kid for the mistakes of their parents? They were all abandoned, unfortunately by their parents. The 'shadiness' is on the parents, not the kid.

But you do know that some of the characteristics and personality of the parents can be passed on to the kid right? Do you really want to have a child that is potentially a rapist? Of course you would want a child with a decent enough family background. It's even better if you knew the parents was before hand.


A lie? How? The kid is conceived after two people have sex and abandoned, or given up for adoption. If you could deal with growing up alone, not knowing your family, seeing your friends with their families, something you will never have, I doubt it would be such a big blow if some woman you don't even know, your mom, who abandoned you, was raped, and you were born.
It is... you we're born a mistake. From a crime and your real parents hated you or didn't care. You we're thrown like garbage just because they don't want you. Jut think you are a garbage for your real parents. Your father is a criminal and your mother is the victim. And that is assuming that you even live long enough.

[KaitouSai100]

If the parents are both dead, rapist and victim, and the victim kept the rape to herself, how'd the DNA test tell that it was rape, and not mutual consent? What's wrong with being the child of a rapist? Does that make you a potential rapist? You make it sound discriminating.

There are ways to tell if a woman's been raped. If an expert were to examine her genitals then it's highly likely that they could determine if it were consensual or not.. And if the parent was killed or committed suicide, then it's almost impossible for there not to be an autopsy. Furthermore, DNA would probably be swabbed to put on file for the police force, especially if it were a murder. I dunno if they'd swab it in case of a suicide, but you never know.

[0ba]

If she was forced to conceived that baby of course she would not change! She didn't plan it and she didn't even want it! She was raped. If she's changed she would only change for the worse. And the kid would be dumb because there would be no one to teach it anything because no one really cares.No one cares? Serious? Paris Hilton has a kid, and no on cares? The media, the bloggers, Perez Hilton?

No... it's actually quite easy. Easier in fact if you have all that. ^.^Other little orphans in nations living off what they get in charity, you're worse off when you're rich and famous, the kid of a star, but unfortunately the star is also a rape victim? :S

Yes it is very unlikely that the child would be adopted. Only if the parents are desperate and the child is the only human orphan in the world. Too bad but it's true... The child has to suffer for his parents actions. That is why abortion is a better answer.You've said it yourself. There are desperate parents. The abandoned kid of a rapist, is seen as equal to the abandoned kid of a druggie, and abandoned kid of a rich person. Don't you have empathy for the kid? Or you're just thinking about how he could up and rape some chick when he's 21? There's places like Sierra Leone, many women were raped during their civil war, and I don't think abortion's legal there. So, there will be many kids with 'shady backgrounds' there. Aren't they human? From sperm and egg? Do you think they'll all suffer for their parents actions?

Then sell the child for parts in a black market I think that is better for you than be aborted.Like, to be eaten? Why would you sell undeveloped body parts?

It can be done but can you say that it is the best possible option to do? That's why you have a brain and you are presented a choice to do what is best.Now you're talking. Rape victim's kids HAVE the options, too.

Yes it is very discriminating but that's what society is, just accept it. Everyone wants the best for themselves. So it is only natural to choose the best kind of child and not someone with a shady background.A fraudster has a shady background. An ex-con has a shady background. A rehabilitated drug dealer has a shady background. A kid without parents does NOT, provided he's been living and abiding the law.

If they try hard enough they could. Or they could live forever in the orphanage or the street not knowing who they really are and why are they there abandoned.Who they are? Or the child of whom they are? Your parents don't decide who you are, YOU do.

But you do know that some of the characteristics and personality of the parents can be passed on to the kid right? Do you really want to have a child that is potentially a rapist?Wow. So, most rapists got the personality trait from their parents? That's silly, come on. Is Tupac's mom a killer? Is lil Wayne's dad a druggie? It starts somewhere, with a twisted mind, and poor upbringing, not genes and chromosomes and X's and Y's. And with your logic, that rape victims should abort so the kid won't have to go through all the pain and all, do you think when a rape victim's kid grows up, he'll rape a woman who would possibly have a kid who'd go through the same pain that he did? Doesn't that give him a LOWER chance as he would be able to relate with the unborn child?

Of course you would want a child with a decent enough family background. It's even better if you knew the parents was before hand.A kid with a good family background has the same chance as the rape victim's kid to become a rapist. As long as they're both brought up well, like you and I, and I guess at an orphanage, you'll be treated decently.

It is... you we're born a mistake. From a crime and your real parents hated you or didn't care. You we're thrown like garbage just because they don't want you. Jut think you are a garbage for your real parents. Your father is a criminal and your mother is the victim. And that is assuming that you even live long enough.Why wouldn't you live long enough? Yes, you're a mistake, but you aren't the first. Their actions are theirs. You make what you want of it, but ultimately, what matters is what you do yourself, don't let the foolish actions of your parents be your 'destiny'.

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There are ways to tell if a woman's been raped. If an expert were to examine her genitals then it's highly likely that they could determine if it were consensual or not.How? What if the woman was knocked out or something, or restrained before she could struggle, and 'it' went quite 'smoothly'? What if it's 5 years after?

And if the parent was killed or committed suicide, then it's almost impossible for there not to be an autopsy. Furthermore, DNA would probably be swabbed to put on file for the police force, especially if it were a murder. I dunno if they'd swab it in case of a suicide, but you never know.I live in Nigeria, maybe we're just backwards here, but what I do know is that here, we just don't do DNA s**t. There are more important things to do in this third world country, I guess. :p

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Can you describe what is a human? What differentiates human from trees, parasites, and animals.
Human. Good question.
I would say a Human is anyone of the Homo sapiens.
It can be justified because you already know what will happen you already know that your life would be ruined not to mention your body if you continue the pregnancy... It's like when someone is coming at you with a knife. You're not entirely sure on that knife hitting you and killing you until after it hit you and killed you. :xd: But you know what will happen if you let it continue on that course therefore you have to deflect it and if the attacker died then it's just self defense. :lol:
but is it that easy to tell with a baby?
Sure you might get some scars but is that a reason to end a human life? because your afraid of skin blemishes?
What do you expect the rape victim would do? Suck it up and take that 9 months of extensive pain and discomfort just to bore a child that will live all his/her days in pain and suffering?
but you can't prove that the kid will live in pain and suffering.
What if the child grew up to be the happiest person on the planet?


I know some rape victims want to have that child and raise it as their own but they should have a choice about it and not be forced to do something that would ruin their life.
But what of the unborn child? Is it ok to ruin their life so the don't inconvenience anouther persons life?


Living the life of an unwanted rape child. What would you feel if you knew that your father was a rapist and that your mother doesn't care for you even one bit? I believe you would feel pain at least an emotional one. Even if you are put into an adoption agency who's parents on their right mind would want a child born from a rapist?!?!
I'm sure adoption agencies don't go around telling everyone which babies are from rape victims and which are the sons/daughters of wife beaters etc
And if the Kid never knows anything of his real parents then how could that affect his life?
Now if you honestly tell me that you are willingly going to give up the life you have now and live the life of that rape child then maybe I would believe you.
Depends o the child. Again just because he had a bad start to life doesn't mean its going to be all doom and gloom.


Every cell is alive but if we kill it that doesn't mean that we are murders. We shed our dead skin cells everyday and can you say we are murderers? If I cut my nails or hair that are continuously growing can you call me a murderer?
Hair, nails aren't alive. (Not even like skin cells)
And killing skin cells isn't murder because they don't have nor ever could have independant life.
You can assume that it is alive but can you really call it a human? It's just basically a parasite that consumes the host's nutrients.
Depends o your definition of human

It can't live on it's own though.
If it cannot live on it's own then it's no more of a murder than pulling the plug.
If abortion is murder then so is doing your job as a doctor.
No. A newborn baby cannot survive o its own, a foetus after a certain time cannot survive on their own but killing both is still murder.

[KaitouSai100]

How? What if the woman was knocked out or something, or restrained before she could struggle, and 'it' went quite 'smoothly'? What if it's 5 years after?

You'd be surprised at how long drugs can stay in the system. If the woman was drugged, then the people would determine if there's drugs in the system. Also, if she was knocked out, then there's likely either a present injury or a head injury. However, if it were like...10 years pass, then it's likely that the rape would be overlooked due to lack of sufficient evidence.

I live in Nigeria, maybe we're just backwards here, but what I do know is that here, we just don't do DNA s**t. There are more important things to do in this third world country, I guess. :p

In the US, we tend to take DNA samples in order to convict a murder or a rapist. I daresay that this is more than just DNA crap.

[0ba]

You'd be surprised at how long drugs can stay in the system. If the woman was drugged, then the people would determine if there's drugs in the system. Also, if she was knocked out, then there's likely either a present injury or a head injury. However, if it were like...10 years pass, then it's likely that the rape would be overlooked due to lack of sufficient evidence.Maybe after handcuffing, and duct-taping, it would be less difficult from there. And it would help if the rapist was like 6'6 or taller, or very muscular and intimidating. :p

In the US, we tend to take DNA samples in order to convict a murder or a rapist. I daresay that this is more than just DNA crap.I know, I know, but unless I'm mistaken, don't they have to match them up? They match the kid with the parent, to find out if the DNA's match. What if the parents had disappeared?

[PristineNymph]

No one cares? Serious? Paris Hilton has a kid, and no on cares? The media, the bloggers, Perez Hilton?

Okay... that would just make his life even more miserable. You think they would really care for the kids well being? They would only care for the controversies.


Other little orphans in nations living off what they get in charity, you're worse off when you're rich and famous, the kid of a star, but unfortunately the star is also a rape victim? :S

Those other little orphans... then you believe that those little orphans who are very lucky enough to receive some charity are having a terrible life! And you want those children that is born from rape to live life like that? Do you really want them to suffer that much?
And the unwanted kid of a star. And it's an openly unwanted rape kid. Do you really thing that being rich and famous answers all the problems? There are many many examples of rich and famous stars killing themselves. Almost all of them uses drugs of some kind.


You've said it yourself. There are desperate parents. The abandoned kid of a rapist, is seen as equal to the abandoned kid of a druggie, and abandoned kid of a rich person. Don't you have empathy for the kid? Or you're just thinking about how he could up and rape some chick when he's 21? There's places like Sierra Leone, many women were raped during their civil war, and I don't think abortion's legal there. So, there will be many kids with 'shady backgrounds' there. Aren't they human? From sperm and egg? Do you think they'll all suffer for their parents actions?

When you go to an adoption agency you are presented with a choice of children. You are given a background reference of each child. Now who would you choose? Of course you would choose the kid of a smart and successful person in hopes that they would turn out the same way. So the rape child will always be the last one to be chosen. Being abandoned living in the street or at the orphanage is there really a clear future for that child except for suffering?

Don't you think that those children in Sierra Leone are suffering?


Like, to be eaten? Why would you sell undeveloped body parts?

No you absolutely hate the thought of abortion that you would like them to be born. If they are born you say that their parents could just abandon them somewhere. There is no way for sure who would pick them up. It could be a syndicate selling organs. Or it could be child laborers. I guess for you that is the better option.


Now you're talking. Rape victim's kids HAVE the options, too.

Can they really think for themselves? Ask an embryo and let's see if you get any response... And the rape victim should also have that choice.
Even if they did what option would that be? Live a horrible miserable life in constant suffering?



A fraudster has a shady background. An ex-con has a shady background. A rehabilitated drug dealer has a shady background. A kid without parents does NOT, provided he's been living and abiding the law.

Provided that he is living at all... Being abandoned somewhere there is no chance that baby would survive. It's just like killing the child indirectly. I guess it is better for you to find a baby in the trashcan that it to be aborted...

It is all the choice of the rape victim what to do with her body. She is the victim here and here you just say suck it up and take the consequences. You want her to suffer 9 months in something that might kill her. I guess you don't care about the mother at all! Even if you don't care about the mother at least you should care about the child.

You say it is better to abandon them somewhere... Do you see children on the streets? Do you really think that they would become something in their life? Do you want to live like that?

Do you actually think that those rape children would have the same life we are living right now? They would only have life of suffering. They would never be presented a chance to become more than they are. In most cases they would turn out to hate the system. And in turn they would turn out to be criminals. Now if you are a mother. If you really care for your child do you want them to turn out like that? Do you want them to live life in suffering?

[0ba]

*RVK- Rape victim's kid(s). :p

Okay... that would just make his life even more miserable. You think they would really care for the kids well being? They would only care for the controversies.Good for them. That's their business, whatever makes them sell more.


Those other little orphans... then you believe that those little orphans who are very lucky enough to receive some charity are having a terrible life! And you want those children that is born from rape to live life like that? Do you really want them to suffer that much?
And the unwanted kid of a star. And it's an openly unwanted rape kid.NOT openly unwanted. It could be a secret. You know, f**k that, what if he's openly unwanted? And he becomes successful and rich and marries someone as beautiful as you, would you still say 'the poor rich RVK?'

Do you really thing that being rich and famous answers all the problems? There are many many examples of rich and famous stars killing themselves. Almost all of them uses drugs of some kind.Not all the problems. But most. :p

Want to compare that number to that of the poor people killing themselves?


When you go to an adoption agency you are presented with a choice of children. You are given a background reference of each child. Now who would you choose? Of course you would choose the kid of a smart and successful person in hopes that they would turn out the same way. So the rape child will always be the last one to be chosen. Being abandoned living in the street or at the orphanage is there really a clear future for that child except for suffering?Wow. Who's Paris Hilton's father? Paris IS stupid. Her father isn't. There goes your 'successful parents - successful kids' theory.
What if the kid of the successful parents is quite exceptionally dull and unresponsive, and the RVK is sharp and bright? You'd still pick the blubbering mess with the successful 'background'?

And yes, there is. They go to school. After, they get odd jobs and all. They don't play around all day. Nobody's future is clear, by the way.

Don't you think that those children in Sierra Leone are suffering?Almost the whole country was suffering, RVK's and 'Mutually consented' kids alike. Dismember the nation? :p


No you absolutely hate the thought of abortion that you would like them to be born. If they are born you say that their parents could just abandon them somewhere. There is no way for sure who would pick them up. It could be a syndicate selling organs. Or it could be child laborers. I guess for you that is the better option.There you go assuming. I don't hate the thought of abortion.


Can they really think for themselves? Ask an embryo and let's see if you get any response... And the rape victim should also have that choice.
Even if they did what option would that be? Live a horrible miserable life in constant suffering?I'm pro-choice. Let the woman choose. Keeping the baby isn't going to 'kill you and make you live a horrible life.' Especially if you put it up for adoption.

Provided that he is living at all... Being abandoned somewhere there is no chance that baby would survive. It's just like killing the child indirectly. I guess it is better for you to find a baby in the trashcan that it to be aborted...Yes, it's better to find a living baby in the trashcan than for it to be aborted.

It is all the choice of the rape victim what to do with her body. She is the victim here and here you just say suck it up and take the consequences. You want her to suffer 9 months in something that might kill her. I guess you don't care about the mother at all! Even if you don't care about the mother at least you should care about the child.You care for the child, but you can't give it a shot at life because of '9 months in something that might kill her'? And btw, I'm pro-choice, all I'm saying the victim's kids can still live happily too.

You say it is better to abandon them somewhere... Do you see children on the streets? Do you really think that they would become something in their life? Do you want to live like that?I never said that. :lmao:
Putting them up for adoption is also what I consider as abandoning. They can. And they do. And some of them RVKs and other abandoned kids don't ALL become failures. The ones that accept their status and condition and work hard reap fruit sometimes.

Do you actually think that those rape children would have the same life we are living right now? They would only have life of suffering. They would never be presented a chance to become more than they are. In most cases they would turn out to hate the system. And in turn they would turn out to be criminals. Now if you are a mother. If you really care for your child do you want them to turn out like that? Do you want them to live life in suffering?So, like REALLY poor jobless people shouldn't procreate? Because they are mutually reproducing, and bringing kids into this world while they're piss poor and living on the streets? Won't they be living in suffering? What do you think?
Not every poor person becomes a criminal. Some really work hard to make ends meet. And to the last question, that's a tough one. Why not let them choose? When they're born, things aren't getting better, they can't cope, they commit suicide. Because you never know, that really poor RVK could become a millionaire one day. Tom Ford and Bill Gates and Donald Trump and Jay-Z and co. weren't born millionaires.

[jooter]

NOT openly unwanted. It could be a secret. You know, f**k that, what if he's openly unwanted? And he becomes successful and rich and marries someone as beautiful as you, would you still say 'the poor rich RVK?'

It would be good if we all live in your fantasy world like that. Oh and thanks for saying I'm beautiful. :emb: :lmao:


Not all the problems. But most.

Want to compare that number to that of the poor people killing themselves?

Yes poor people kill themselves too! Why? Because they are better off dead than live their life in suffering! :p


Almost the whole country was suffering, RVK's and 'Mutually consented' kids alike. Dismember the nation? :p

And don't you think that overpopulation adds to that problem? :p


There you go assuming. I don't hate the thought of abortion.

Then why are you still here arguing? :xd:


I'm pro-choice. Let the woman choose. Keeping the baby isn't going to 'kill you and make you live a horrible life.' Especially if you put it up for adoption.

Adoption! We don't need another unwanted life to add to our overly expanding population! That's where the problem begins! If everyone that get's laid and keep their babies then put it up for adoption then let's see what good life they will get in an overpopulated adoption agencies. :lol:

I believe that most of them would end up outside in the cold... alone... shivering... crying... wishing to be dead... :cry: (plucking some heartstrings!)


Yes, it's better to find a living baby in the trashcan than for it to be aborted.

:lmao:
Yeah find one baby alive! Then find ten other more under it dead and rotting! Good luck with that! :lol:


You care for the child, but you can't give it a shot at life because of '9 months in something that might kill her'? And btw, I'm pro-choice, all I'm saying the victim's kids can still live happily too.

I highly doubt that rape kid is going to live happily on the streets or the over populated orphanage. :lol:


I never said that.
Putting them up for adoption is also what I consider as abandoning. They can. And they do. And some of them RVKs and other abandoned kids don't ALL become failures. The ones that accept their status and condition and work hard reap fruit sometimes.

Sometimes? It's like a lottery! Some have a lucky strike but most live in a ditch! :p


So, like REALLY poor jobless people shouldn't procreate? Because they are mutually reproducing, and bringing kids into this world while they're piss poor and living on the streets? Won't they be living in suffering? What do you think?

Actually no they shouldn't!!! Poor and Jobless!?!?! What are they thinking!!! They couldn't even support a child! That child would only be taken by the child protection agency! Actually there should be a law forbidding that. :lol:


Not every poor person becomes a criminal. Some really work hard to make ends meet. And to the last question, that's a tough one. Why not let them choose? When they're born, things aren't getting better, they can't cope, they commit suicide. Because you never know, that really poor RVK could become a millionaire one day. Tom Ford and Bill Gates and Donald Trump and Jay-Z and co. weren't born millionaires.
So you say just let it all out!!! They even have an overpopulation problem in china where they eat baby fetuses!!! :lmao:
By what you want by 20 years we would be overflowing with people that even the pacific ocean would smell like people's shit! :lol:

[Zato-1]

i find nothing wrong with a girl getting an abortion after getting raped even though she is killing a child but she never wanted it and she was forced to do something she didn't want to do then she is having a kid yeah its up to her if she wants to get an abortion or not.

[jooter]

Human. Good question.
I would say a Human is anyone of the Homo sapiens.

But what makes them Homo sapiens? It's only a label that humans put on themselves. 8)


but is it that easy to tell with a baby?
Sure you might get some scars but is that a reason to end a human life? because your afraid of skin blemishes?

Yep and not only hazardous to them but hazardous to the world. :lol: Because when all the babies that are aborted be born into the world we would have another 115,000 mouths to feed everyday. This could lead to scarcity of food and natural resources. Scarcity of these could lead to war. And war on our day and age could lead to a nuclear holocaust! Say goodbye to the age of humans here comes the age of cockroaches! :lol:

Do you want your descendants to live in a post-apocalyptic world ruled by giant cockroaches! 8)

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

But what makes them Homo sapiens? It's only a label that humans put on themselves. 8)
Same kinda label as being alive and dead.
Yep and not only hazardous to them but hazardous to the world. :lol: Because when all the babies that are aborted be born into the world we would have another 115,000 mouths to feed everyday. This could lead to scarcity of food and natural resources. Scarcity of these could lead to war. And war on our day and age could lead to a nuclear holocaust! Say goodbye to the age of humans here comes the age of cockroaches! :lol:

Do you want your descendants to live in a post-apocalyptic world ruled by giant cockroaches! 8)
:blink: :blink: Wow going from Abortion to Nuclear holocaust and giant cockroaches, nice one:nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

but more likely
No abortions
115,000 extra people
Population pressure
Nature kicks in and does a little housekeeping like only nature can
Survival of the fittest. Possible evolutionary trend towards helping rid humanity of it's problems:^^:

[jooter]

Same kinda label as being alive and dead.

Yep but I'm sure you can describe how it is being alive or being dead. And so you can also describe what it takes to be a homo sapien. 8)


:blink: :blink: Wow going from Abortion to Nuclear holocaust and giant cockroaches, nice one:nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

8)
Don't you see it's connected!!! :nuts: :lmao:


but more likely
No abortions
115,000 extra people
Population pressure
Nature kicks in and does a little housekeeping like only nature can
Survival of the fittest. Possible evolutionary trend towards helping rid humanity of it's problems:^^:
Yeah... but I think humanity's problem is humanity itself. Then after that you have gotten rid of all humanity! 8)
And I surely don't want to be there when nature kicks in and does a little house keeping. That's only a very nice words for the apocalypse. :lol:

[*sqyd*]

Absolutely not. Abortion is wrong. No matter what. I dont care if you were raped and its not convient for you. What about the baby you carry inside you? Its heart is beating at around 2-3wks. Its murder. I dont care what anyone says. Abortion is murder and should be seen as such. It doesnt matter what the government says. its as moral and ethical thing.

ADOPTION. NOT ABORTION.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Yep but I'm sure you can describe how it is being alive or being dead. And so you can also describe what it takes to be a homo sapien. 8)
I can list all the features of a homo sapien
Just like you can do the same for cats, whether they are ur pet cat fluffy or a lion.
8)
Don't you see it's connected!!! :nuts: :lmao:
:lmao:
Yeah... but I think humanity's problem is humanity itself. Then after that you have gotten rid of all humanity! 8)
And I surely don't want to be there when nature kicks in and does a little house keeping. That's only a very nice words for the apocalypse. :lol:
Yes and no. Apocalypse is kinda the wrong word. but like ww2 we will probably see massive loss of life but eventually it will die down and the world population will be alot less.

[KaitouSai100]

Absolutely not. Abortion is wrong. No matter what. I dont care if you were raped and its not convient for you. What about the baby you carry inside you? Its heart is beating at around 2-3wks. Its murder. I dont care what anyone says. Abortion is murder and should be seen as such. It doesnt matter what the government says. its as moral and ethical thing.

According to the Capitalism.org (http://www.capitalism.org/), Abortion is not murder in any sort of way. The fetus is a POTENTIAL human being, and therefore does NOT fall under any sort of murder.

A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is only in there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time. Rights are not permissions; permissions are not rights. This permission is given by the woman, because it is her body -- and not the fetus's body, and certainly not the government's body.

Murder is the taking of the life of another human being through the initiation of physical force. Abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not a human being -- it is a potential human being, i.e. it is part of the woman. The concept murder only applies to the initiation of physical force used to destroy an actual human being, i.e., such as when "pro-life" terrorists bomb abortion clinics.

You are equivocating on the term "life" which is a concept that includes everything that is living. Dogs are "life" but they do not have rights. What about ants? So are trees "life", yet they do not have rights (contrary to the mouthing of man-hating environmentalists). Rights only apply to human beings, and not to human tissue.

Rights apply to human beings, because only human beings survive by the use of reason (unlike dogs, trees, ants -- and fetuses). Rights only apply to human beings, because only human beings -- and not parts of beings -- survive by reason.

[majinsharingan]

Abortion is wrong. No matter what. I dont care if you were raped and its not convient for you. What about the baby you carry inside you? Its heart is beating at around 2-3wks. Its murder. I dont care what anyone says. Abortion is murder and should be seen as such. It doesnt matter what the government says. its as moral and ethical thing.

Clearly it also doesn't matter what science says.
And clearly it also doesn't matter how illogical your morals are in this situation.
It's not a baby until the third trimester.
It's not alive until the 3rd week.
So what?
We don't care about anything why the hell is this an issue?
We kills millions of animals and other life forms every year yet the big deal is the thing inside you that isn't even a species of human until the third trimester.
It's hypocritical, and no offense to you this is totally aimed at the government, moronic.

Abortion before the third trimester is not murder.
If you call it murder then your a hypocrite.
Because killing something that isn't a human, technically isn't considered murder to us.
Therefore you commit murder by stepping on bugs and spiders.
You commit murder by taking cold medicine.
And you commit murder by having sex.
Granted one life comes out of that, but possible lives are lost, which according to your side, is also murder.

ADOPTION. NOT ABORTION.

I love how you can speak for everyone yet know nothing about them.

Since you clearly wouldn't say something as foolish as what you said in your previous quote without having the necessary information to back it up I'll simply ask that you show and explain to me the stories of the 320 million americans and how every single one of them can take care of a child.

Yes and no. Apocalypse is kinda the wrong word. but like ww2 we will probably see massive loss of life but eventually it will die down and the world population will be alot less.

Is your point that, we don't need abortion because some day we're all going to die?
The chances of a child being born that survives an apocalypse of sorts is highly unlikely.
They're either born into royalty(or upper class/government the US's case), in which they'll be too stubborn and too ignorant to avoid whatever kills us.
Born into the lower class in which they won't have the proper protection.
Or born into the middle class in which they'll most likely die in a sea of people trying to escape whatever hell comes our way.
The chances of the child being born with two or more of the neccesary things needed to survive the apocalypse is highly unlikely.

[majinsharingan]

According to the Capitalism.org (http://www.capitalism.org/), Abortion is not murder in any sort of way. The fetus is a POTENTIAL human being, and therefore does NOT fall under any sort of murder.

Judging by her perspective in this argument I don't think she'll point out anything about your source although good find. Even though it's rather extreme and will most likely cause every republican who ever reads that article to **** their pants.
But overall good find. :D

[*sqyd*]

According to the Capitalism.org (http://www.capitalism.org/), Abortion is not murder in any sort of way. The fetus is a POTENTIAL human being, and therefore does NOT fall under any sort of murder.

thats a bunch of BS.
a fetius is a baby. i dont care what the f**cking government says.

[KaitouSai100]

Judging by her perspective in this argument I don't think she'll point out anything about your source although good find. Even though it's rather extreme and will most likely cause every republican who ever reads that article to **** their pants.
But overall good find. :D

Haha, thanks. I came across it while trying to figure out why the kid that sits next to me thinks I'm a communist. I decided to stop figuring it out and just to borrow the communist manifesto just to screw with him.

And isn't it ironic that it the republicans who defend capitalism are the ones who generally oppose the ideals that come along w/ it?

[majinsharingan]

thats a bunch of BS.
a fetius is a baby. i dont care what the f**cking government says.

1, The government is on YOUR side.
2, A fetus is not a baby. You don't decide this, I'm sorry to be the one to burst your bubble but it's not up to you. A fetus is not a baby. That's why they have a different word for it. If a fetus was a baby it would be called a baby. And like I said before, it's not a baby until the third trimester. Science has proven that.

[majinsharingan]

Haha, thanks. I came across it while trying to figure out why the kid that sits next to me thinks I'm a communist. I decided to stop figuring it out and just to borrow the communist manifesto just to screw with him.

LOL Nice xD

And isn't it ironic that it the republicans who defend capitalism are the ones who generally oppose the ideals that come along w/ it?

I know.
It seems the parties should switch their views on abortion.
The Democratic Party seems more anti-abortion and vice-versa.
Although yes, it's very ironic.

[*sqyd*]

1, The government is on YOUR side.
2, A fetus is not a baby. You don't decide this, I'm sorry to be the one to burst your bubble but it's not up to you. A fetus is not a baby. That's why they have a different word for it. If a fetus was a baby it would be called a baby. And like I said before, it's not a baby until the third trimester. Science has proven that.


listen, matt. i dont care what the government says, again. nor science for that matter. if it has a beating heart, and you kill it, its murder. theres no way around it. sciece has proven that. every life is sacred. therefore, abortion is wrong because a fetus is in fact ALIVE.

[KaitouSai100]

thats a bunch of BS.
a fetius is a baby. i dont care what the f**cking government says.

It's not the government that says it. It's human rights that says this.

listen, matt. i dont care what the government says, again. nor science for that matter. if it has a beating heart, and you kill it, its murder. theres no way around it. sciece has proven that. every life is sacred. therefore, abortion is wrong because a fetus is in fact ALIVE.

Not really, life is hard to define. I personally consider something living after the nervous system develops and when the child can live without being in the womb. Also life is sacred is not an argument, it's an opinion.

[*sqyd*]

yes. i know. im very pro-life. i know the facts. and your right about the opinion thing. hmm...

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Rights apply to human beings, because only human beings survive by the use of reason (unlike dogs, trees, ants -- and fetuses). Rights only apply to human beings, because only human beings -- and not parts of beings -- survive by reason.
I would like to ask then. Why do we still apply rights to animals? it is against the law to beat an animal to death and yet according to this as a dog it has no rights? so why do we apply the right to life when confronted with a Dog beaten to death?

Rights only apply to human beings, and not to human tissue.
However if you were to say lose a finger and against your knowledge I used it to clone you, I would be breaking the law. Correct? but isn't it just tissue therefore has no rights meaning I can do whatever I want with it?

Abortion before the third trimester is not murder.
If you call it murder then your a hypocrite.
Because killing something that isn't a human, technically isn't considered murder to us.
Therefore you commit murder by stepping on bugs and spiders.
You commit murder by taking cold medicine.
And you commit murder by having sex.
Granted one life comes out of that, but possible lives are lost, which according to your side, is also murder.
True but science is unreliable on just when it is human. The line is blurred and tho legally it is the third trimester it is so gray it could actually be the second trimester for all we know and so that would mean murder.

Is your point that, we don't need abortion because some day we're all going to die?
Umm no
The chances of a child being born that survives an apocalypse of sorts is highly unlikely.
True
my actual point was that IF the world population growth continued and was increased by the prevention of abortian then nature would take over and a much of the world population would perish in some worldwide event but it would probably not see the end of mankind.

[*sqyd*]

True but science is unreliable on just when it is human. The line is blurred and tho legally it is the third trimester it is so gray it could actually be the second trimester for all we know and so that would mean murder.

see my point guys? science can be wrong.

[MANGA_FREAK4]

I'm pro-life.
Its a freakin baby, not just some tissue.
And really, why the hell would you get an abortion when you can put the child up for adoption? I know the chick would be traumatized from the rape, and would want to get rid of any recollection of the event. But that doesn't mean you should kill a innocent baby. I'm not going to argue, but its my opinion, and you guys have your own different opinions. And it's perfectly ok if you think its not a baby, go ahead and think that. I'm not going to change your minds because everyone on this forum stands up for what they think.
But thanks all of you who agree it's actually murder.

[*sqyd*]

I'm pro-life.
Its a freakin baby, not just some tissue.
And really, why the hell would you get an abortion when you can put the child up for adoption? I know the chick would be traumatized from the rape, and would want to get rid of any recollection of the event. But that doesn't mean you should kill a innocent baby. I'm not going to argue, but its my opinion, and you guys have your own different opinions. And it's perfectly ok if you think its not a baby, go ahead and think that. I'm not going to change your minds because everyone on this forum stands up for what they think.
But thanks all of you who agree it's actually murder.

mrs ward would be appolled if not!
and i totally agree with you melon-sama

[majinsharingan]

Venus...is DIY on?

nor science for that matter.

That's damn ignorant of you.
I could technically have you removed from this debate because you essentially just admitted that you refuse to follow facts and are going to make up your own rules of how things work.
Unfortunately I can't tell you to stop, so it's Venus's decision.

if it has a beating heart, and you kill it, its murder.

Then God help us if your president, you just sent this entire nation into prison for life.
You're a mass murderer.
I'm a mass murderer.
Adam's a mass murderer.
Every single person on this planet is a mass murderer if you use that faulty logic of yours.

theres no way around it. sciece has proven that. every life is sacred. therefore, abortion is wrong because a fetus is in fact ALIVE.

True, the fetus is alive.
It's just not a human nor is it a baby.

I thought you didn't care what science says...

Yes there is a way around it. It's called using the widely accepted theory, that being if it's not a human, it's not murder. You however seem to think that regardless of what species it is, it's murder.

Not really, life is hard to define. I personally consider something living after the nervous system develops and when the child can live without being in the womb. Also life is sacred is not an argument, it's an opinion.

That's what I consider to be living too.
It's a human at the third trimester, but it cannot live completely on it's own until a week or two before it's due date.

yes. i know. im very pro-life. i know the facts. and your right about the opinion thing. hmm...

Yet you choose to ignore them time after time.

You're blinded by the logic you think is pro-life.

If I haven't said it before then I apologize, but the best position has always been and always will be the lonely position of neutral. (Trust Company ftw!)

Why do we still apply rights to animals? it is against the law to beat an animal to death and yet according to this as a dog it has no rights? so why do we apply the right to life when confronted with a Dog beaten to death?

I'd love for you to ask a congressman that.
You know why?
The answer is complete BS.

We can't beat animals to death but we can chop them up into little bits, inject them with poisons, or chop them in half.

We can't beat animals but if we hit something with a car then who cares right?

Although to answer the dog part...it's domesticated.
Animal Cruelty applies to domesticated animals.



True but science is unreliable on just when it is human. The line is blurred and tho legally it is the third trimester it is so gray it could actually be the second trimester for all we know and so that would mean murder.

For all we know isn't a phrase you should use when dealing with laws involving science.



Umm no

Good, I've seen people bring up that point, just making sure you weren't.

my actual point was that IF the world population growth continued and was increased by the prevention of abortian then nature would take over and a much of the world population would perish in some worldwide event but it would probably not see the end of mankind.

I doubt it would reach that level.
Someone's bound to launch their nukes.

see my point guys? science can be wrong.

So by solving that you're disregarding facts and making up your own information.
It's true science can be wrong, but in this, according to what we know now. It's not.


I'm pro-life.

Pro-Life to me is one of the dumbest categories we've come up with.
To me it's kind of like a little insult you'd come up with in kindergarten to mess with some kid.
There's no sane person on earth who's anti-life.
Abortion isn't Pro-Life.
You're Pro-Abortion or Against-Abortion.
Pro-Life doesn't mean your against abortion.
I'm pro-life, I'm for abortion.


Its a freakin baby, not just some tissue.

Again, we're not talking about the third trimester.
What idiot gets pregnant and goes through 9 months of pregnancy to get rid of the baby.
Honestly who here honestly thinks that's what people do?
If you do, you clearly have never been pregnant before.

And really, why the hell would you get an abortion when you can put the child up for adoption?

Let's see...9 Months of pregnancy for nothing...
I can't tell you to blow a watermelon out your ass, you're a girl, I can just tell you to wait 10 or 20 years then you'll have your answer.

I know the chick would be traumatized from the rape, and would want to get rid of any recollection of the event. But that doesn't mean you should kill a innocent baby.

Again, not the third trimester Melon.
We're not talking about the third trimester.

I'm not going to argue, but its my opinion

No offense but what's the point of coming here then?
Especially when Me and Venus are here.


And it's perfectly ok if you think its not a baby, go ahead and think that.

By using the words think you're implying that it is and we're wrong when in fact it's not a baby until the third trimester.
Or possibly the late second like Adam pointed out.
Although that's fairly irrelevant because that's still 6 months of pregnancy that I don't think anyone wants to go through.

But thanks all of you who agree it's actually murder.

"You're welcome, one by one we'll make the world a better place by tossing aside scientific fact and making up our own explanation."- The Catholic Church

[KaitouSai100]

Venus...is DIY on?
Nope. And I'll reply to these arguments eventually. I'm working on school stuff right now though.

That's what I consider to be living too.
It's a human at the third trimester, but it cannot live completely on it's own until a week or two before it's due date.

A baby can actually live up to a month or two before it's born, but it's likely that the baby will either die or will be sickly.

Again, we're not talking about the third trimester.
What idiot gets pregnant and goes through 9 months of pregnancy to get rid of the baby.
Honestly who here honestly thinks that's what people do?
If you do, you clearly have never been pregnant before.

Some people do, but for others, it's simply not an option.

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abortion is wrong no matter what reason. its killling someones life. What if Mashashi Kishimoto's(creator of Naruto) mom got an abortion. think of what the world would be like now.

If someone got raped NO they shouldnt have an abortion. but when asked where the father is by the kid DONT lie. just say "I dont know"

[Yondaime The Yellow Flash]

L Your a sick person, a woman have every right to do what she wants with her body, and you do know until the baby is born its considered a Parasite, it feeds of its host until its strong enough to leave it, and after a rape? What if she had school and couldnt spend time with the child and so on?

I'm willing to bet you got some kind of religion but still honestly THINK before you act and write, a child shouldnt be born just because someone got pregnant, but because there is someone in the world who is ready to honor and love it!

[Yondaime The Yellow Flash]

And if Mashashi Kishimoto mom had taken an abortion someone else would have thought up something like Naruto most likely or in WORST case scenario I would never ever had to read your stupid reply.

[majinsharingan]

Nope. And I'll reply to these arguments eventually. I'm working on school stuff right now though.

Alright.



A baby can actually live up to a month or two before it's born, but it's likely that the baby will either die or will be sickly.

I know it can live but as far I as know it can live on it's own only a few weeks before it's due date.
By on it's own I mean without that scary looking machine xD

abortion is wrong no matter what reason.

Tell me the story of every single American.
No one would be that ignorant to shout something like that without having done the proper research.
So let's hear it.

its killling someones life.

It's killing someTHING's life. To be considered a someone you have to be a human, which it is not until the third trimester.


What if Mashashi Kishimoto's(creator of Naruto) mom got an abortion. think of what the world would be like now.

:lmao:
It would be the same.
And trust me, no one would really care.