Konohamaru Rasengan

[VedastoHat]

ive always thought about konohamaru (shippuden) being a mini naruto i mean hes gpt shadow clone jutsu now. he does perv jutsus like naruto and he acts just like naruto.
so do you think HED be able to master the rasengan?

[MANGA_FREAK4]

idk... possibly, cuz if naruto had the time, and the patients then he could try to teach it to him. but still, naruto is yondaime's son, rasengan flows through his genes. konohamaru could try it, but i think he wouldnt succeed.

[VedastoHat]

why?
for all we know konohamarus elelment could be wind to.
and jirayia not an uzumaki

[MANGA_FREAK4]

lol i forgot about jirayia... oh well...

[Mattus]

No Konohamaru won't learn it for two reasons.
One he's of Earth Element. He's of Sarutobi's Legacy remeber that. Sarutobi is mainly Earth and so was Asuma.
Two. Naruto had the shadow clones and the incredible amount of chakra.
Konohamaru doesn't have a demon inside of him so no way he'll be 10 an know Rasengan.

[KaitouSai100]

Ah! That's where you're wrong. Asuma is a wind element. Konohamaru may very well be a wind element.

IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER.

[HinataRukia]

Here's my opinion:

I don't think Konohamaru will be able. I agree with everyone, but I still don't think so. Also, there are plenty of more reasons why Konohamaru can or can't use or do rasengan. You'll have to keep watching Naruto Shippuuden to find out.

Also, I noticed that Konohamaru hasn't really changed as much as Naruto would have... maybe because of the training... all I really noticed is he was taller and finally got a ninja forehead protector(He's still at his childish acts and he took 1 hour trying to capture a stupid cat!). He hasn't changed as much as Naruto did. Naruto grew out of his clothes and many other things too... like: his height, skills, forehead protector band, attitude(Not much, but it improved...), and many other things...

-HinataRukia

(As I said, this is only my opinion...)

[VedastoHat]

majin
konohamaru can do shadow clone jutsu
i mean maybe he could learn it but it would take longer than it took naruto to learn it.

[Summer.]

I think that soon naruto will be the only one capable of rasengan...
-since I believe that jiraiya and kakashi will both die.

but it's possible that he will teach konohamaru rasengan. -I would say: IF someone will also master rasengan that will be konohamaru

[naruhina_sakusasuke]

i think that, like said above, konohamaru would be able to master the rasengan, but it'd take way longer than naruto. about what jiriya said: 2-3 years. (remember it took naruto a few weeks to master). the reason for saying this is the fact that he copies off of naruto ALL the time..which would mean that he would have the determination to learn it just as naruto did, but for different reasons... an analogy for this would be the 'sexy jutsu' that he learned....had he wanted to he couldve left it mediocre and not paid any attention to it after naruto left...but he worked on it for four years...for naruto; what do you htink he's gonna do with the rasengan...leave it alone after a few weeks for a lost cause cuz it takes too much time...if he spends 4 years on a dumb, childish jutsu while he was a child...(even after saniaime died) how much attention do you think hes gonna spend trying to learn rasengan, now that he sees naruto using one of the different forms on someone, that'll make him want to learn it even more...and it'll also tell/show knonhamaru that he's not as childish as he was after he got back from his training with jiriya for that four years...now that hes 'defeated' so many more ppl and gained so much knowledge.(if you cant picture a mature naruto, then look at how he is around sasuke)

[Xinobi]

I can see Konahamaru learning it. It may take him longer but I think he has natural talent. Like Naruto, Konahamaru learned Shadow Clone jutsu as a Genin. Who knows what he is capable of. If he aims to be Hokage as well he may just live up to that goal.

[VedastoHat]

yeah
like the first episode of shippuden
konohamaru: yeah cuase im gonna be the 7th hokage!
tsunade: huh the 7th? whos the 6th?
konohamru: heh heh naruto of course
it went something like that.......

[tatokun]

yea... i think konohamaru will be an important part of this manga after all the sasuke stuff is over...

does enyone kno wat happened to konohamaru's dad?? i mean shouldnt the 3rd hokages son be at least mentioned??

[Nagashi]

im sure it was asuma sarutobi, but i doubt hes konohamarus father, im sure there must be another son

[Xinobi]

im sure it was asuma sarutobi, but i doubt hes konohamarus father, im sure there must be another son

Or daughter. Konahamaru's last name and parents are never mentioned. Asuma was his uncle, correct?

An even better question would be, what is Sarutobi's first name? Did people just call him by his last name? Still a lot of holes in this series.

[VedastoHat]

yeah
the third was konohamarus granddad
asuma was his uncle
father never mentiond or mother but i alwyas thought they may have died somehow

[Nabuza]

U know I think that there is a possibilty that konohamaru can learn rasengan i just dont think that we will ever see it in the series

[VedastoHat]

i didnt say the series
notice how this is in the konoha bookstore

[jho]

yea... i think konohamaru will be an important part of this manga after all the sasuke stuff is over...

does enyone kno wat happened to konohamaru's dad?? i mean shouldnt the 3rd hokages son be at least mentioned??


I don't know, i don't feel like Konohamaru is ever going to become a real important part. Like someone else mentioned, it might be that the 3rd Hokage had another daughter or son that wasn't mentioned besides Asuma.

[Nagashi]

An even better question would be, what is Sarutobi's first name? Did people just call him by his last name? Still a lot of holes in this series.

its intentional, like something will never be mentioned then when it is its talked about very candidly, seems to be a staple in any manga/anime

[Mattus]

Konohamaru won't be able to learn it.
Konohamaru doesn't have Naruto's immense chakra supply, passed down from the fourth.
Konohamaru isn't among the best ninja alive(or that were alive)
Yondamine.
Jiriaya.
Kakashi.
Naruto.
The only people to ever know Rasengan. 3 of the most famous ninja ever. And The Legacy of the Fourth.
But Konohamaru, won't be able to learn it.
Cause this is one of the last few arcs left in the series...and i doubt Konohamaru's Training Montage will be a part of it.
And there's not gonna be any more timeskips...

[Xinobi]

Konohamaru won't be able to learn it.
Konohamaru doesn't have Naruto's immense chakra supply, passed down from the fourth.
Konohamaru isn't among the best ninja alive(or that were alive)
Yondamine.
Jiriaya.
Kakashi.
Naruto.
The only people to ever know Rasengan. 3 of the most famous ninja ever. And The Legacy of the Fourth.
But Konohamaru, won't be able to learn it.
Cause this is one of the last few arcs left in the series...and i doubt Konohamaru's Training Montage will be a part of it.
And there's not gonna be any more timeskips...

Are you saying these are facts or are these your opinions? You are making very strong statements. If they are your opinions then state them as such.

[VedastoHat]

majin
naruto didnt learn rasengan with the help of the fox.

[naruhina_sakusasuke]

and the chakra thing isnt it either....Jiriaya doesnt have nearly as much chakra as naruto....neither does kakashi

[Xinobi]

Yeah, chakra doesn't matter. Naruto just found a short cut to performing the jutsu.

[jho]

Naruto is a genius in his own right. Think about it, all the other young ninjas probably had help from their clans and family to train and grow. The only one Naruto ever had was Iruka at the academy. Besides that he always trained on his own. When he finally had a teacher focus his energy on really training him (Jiraiya), he grew exponentially.

Konohamaru has much talent, but is nowhere in Naruto/Sasuke's class.

Also I think that there will be one final timeskip showing Naruto as Hokage if Naruto doesn't die beforehand. I can't picture seeing the series end without showing him as Hokage.

And the cool thing is even if the series ends, we will probably see a new continuation of it somehow or at least movies once in a while (like DB?)

[tatokun]

yea u a gree jho..:( hope theres a lot more comin b that happens..

[Kisame]

i really dont think so because he dosent have the drive to learn it and if he did naruto would kick his ass

[Xinobi]

Naruto is a genius in his own right. Think about it, all the other young ninjas probably had help from their clans and family to train and grow. The only one Naruto ever had was Iruka at the academy. Besides that he always trained on his own. When he finally had a teacher focus his energy on really training him (Jiraiya), he grew exponentially.

I agree with this statement.



Konohamaru has much talent, but is nowhere in Naruto/Sasuke's class.

It is too early to tell. Plus the story isn't really about him. However, shadow clone jutsu is a Jonin level move and he performed it.



Also I think that there will be one final timeskip showing Naruto as Hokage if Naruto doesn't die beforehand. I can't picture seeing the series end without showing him as Hokage.

While I agree that Naruto will eventually be Hokage, if they do a time skip showing him already Hokage I will be extremely pissed. We toiled with Naruto through this whole series. They at least better show us how he eventually ascends to Hokage (If it ever happens).



And the cool thing is even if the series ends, we will probably see a new continuation of it somehow or at least movies once in a while (like DB?)

I would like to see a story from Sasuke's point of view or some of the other characters. Actually I would like to see a series called Konoha. Like after Naruto ascends to Hokage they take the focus off of him and they Just follow the days and lives of the village. OR make it before Naruto becomes Hokage and make it about the original Konoha 11/12. Make them all senseis and show how they train their up and coming students. That would kick ass.

[tatokun]

Holy Crap!! I Know!!!

[VedastoHat]

wow
no one thinks it will happen

[akumasenpai]

i think that konohamaru can learn rasengan, for many reasons. i believe that fundamentally anyone could learn rasengan. It doesnt use any seals, it doesnt need any nature affinity, and it doesn't cause mental stress like ninjutsu techniques. It would be a question of konohamarus chakra control. the whole technique is based on physical chakra manipulation and control, so if you can get good at that you can perfom rasengan.

[Bushido Brown]

Its already been proven that he can. So the answer is yes

[Kankurotto]

Indeed.

The only question is if he should be acknowledged in that matter.

However, as a Shinobi I don't mind at all. He has the very right to defend himself at least.

[duckofdoom99]

I hate that he learned rasengan. It was such and amazing technique that so few shinobi had ever learned and now it has been given to the weak and useless shinobi of the world. Could not be lamer.

Also when the hell did he learn it? Naruto learned it. Then chased sasuke. And then left. When did he have time to teach konohamaru?

[RasenganWarrior]

there are other people that know how to use rasengan as well though

there is jiraiya and kakashi

we were all surprised that kakashi knew how so why couldnt there have been others

also many people looked down on naruto as weak

arent you doing the same thing to konohamaru as all the other characters did to naruto?

there are many ways to teach maybe he found a book. Its not like jiraiya was there every step of the way.

[Kankurotto]

Also when the hell did he learn it? Naruto learned it. Then chased sasuke. And then left. When did he have time to teach konohamaru?

I guess it's another event that none of us had the chance to witness. The author often use the chance to add some extra information regarding a character in the middle of a battle. Especially if the character is in some sort of danger where his/her life depends on it. Deidara for an example. We got to see those flashbacks where he eventually joined Akatsuki. However, personally I don't remember if that very flashback came when Deidara faced Sasuke. Even though my memory is kinda blurry, I believe the author has done this several times. In this case, Kishi chose to make it a flashback even though we never saw it in the first place. I guess there are other views such as MinatoNamikaze description "wasting pages" when it comes to so called "unnecessary" information.

[duckofdoom99]

there are other people that know how to use rasengan as well though

there is jiraiya and kakashi

we were all surprised that kakashi knew how so why couldnt there have been others

also many people looked down on naruto as weak

arent you doing the same thing to konohamaru as all the other characters did to naruto?

there are many ways to teach maybe he found a book. Its not like jiraiya was there every step of the way.Yes, there were others. 4 maybe 5, if you count sarutobi who supposedly could use all jutsu, all of them extremely powerful awesome ninja. The 4th created it and taught it to jiraiya, the kakashi learned it with sharingan, I think is what he said. Naruto mastered it, in my opinion because he is the 4ths son and because him and jiraiya were so close. To teach it to konohamaru seems to taint the jutsu. For example, chidori is o nly known by 2 people. I just liked rasengan better when fewer people knew it. Also, based on the flashback it looked like konohamaru learned it faster than naruto, which just isn't right. Yes, maybe I am underestimating konohamaru, but he deserves it. He is the grandson of the 3rd and was trained by an elite jounin, ebisu, for a long time and is still one of the weakest and the goof ball in his class like naruto was. It just doesn't seem to fit his character in my opinion.

[akumasenpai]

Thats incorrect, kakashi didnt learn it with sharingan because sharingan cant copy moves that dont use seals. he had to learn it all on his own, as it is purely chakra manipulaton. So without being taught he wouldnt have been able to do it just from sharingan. and konohamaru is determined to do anything and everything naruto can do, because he looks up to him and wishes to defeat him. For characters like naruto and konohamaru, determination will drive them to accomplish their goals wheere pure skill may not.

[duckofdoom99]

Thats incorrect, kakashi didnt learn it with sharingan because sharingan cant copy moves that dont use seals. he had to learn it all on his own, as it is purely chakra manipulaton.Where does it say that? All we know is that they copy abilities. I don't think it specifies how.


For characters like naruto and konohamaru, determination will drive them to accomplish their goals wheere pure skill may not.Konohamaru has never been to determined. He was being trained by one of the best and was still uninterested. He wants to be as goof off like naruto was.

[Hashirama]

Thats incorrect, kakashi didnt learn it with sharingan because sharingan cant copy moves that dont use seals. he had to learn it all on his own, as it is purely chakra manipulaton.
Yeah, Sharingan can only copy techniques that use handseals. But Kakashi did say that he managed to copy the Rasengan.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/321/10/

Confusing. Anyway I think what he copied was just the rotation of the chakra.

[Smiley]

Yeah, Sharingan can only copy techniques that use handseals. But Kakashi did say that he managed to copy the Rasengan.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/321/10/

Confusing. Anyway I think what he copied was just the rotation of the chakra.

That was a mistranslation. He was actually stating that he could manage to learn the Rasengan at that level. Prior to that, he also said that he had to develop Chidori when he was unable to put his element into Rasengan, that was before he even obtained the Sharingan.

But I'm guessing Rasengan can be copied, it still involves chakra molding and is no different than any other ninjutsu.

[0ba]

Is the Rasengan a ninjutsu? I thought it was said somewhere that it's just spinning chakra, I don't think you can copy that, after all there aren't even any hand seals involved. I'm not too sure, don't quote me on that.

[Smiley]

It's a ninjutsu, but only involves spatial recomposition of chakra, not elemental, unlike Chidori or Rasen-Shuriken.

And also:

it was stated in the official databook that Sharingan can copy techniques just by watching the chakra build-up. No hand seals are necessary.

[0ba]

Spatial recomposition... hmm...

Doesn't that only apply to stuff like shadow clones and all that aren't elemental?

Because it isn't being recomposed, like the Raikiri which is formed into a blade or something... it's just molded and spun, that's all. :S

And I'm not going to reply to the databook part. :xd:

[naruwiskers^_^]

hasn't konohamaru already learnt the rasengan??
he used it to get away from pein and to attempt to save ebisu, or am i mistaken?
also, i agree with what duckofdoom's been saying.
i agree that it is kind of tainted now.
it was better when only naruto, jiraiya, kakashi and the 4th knew it.
i know konohamaru's really determined to be hokage and everything. . but it really annoys me that he can't make his own jutsu.
like he copied naruto's sexy jutsu, and it was funny how he made it better, but it just pisses me off that he can't develop his own style.
D<

[Smiley]

Spatial recomposition... hmm...

Doesn't that only apply to stuff like shadow clones and all that aren't elemental?

Because it isn't being recomposed, like the Raikiri which is formed into a blade or something... it's just molded and spun, that's all. :S

No, for Raikiri, chakra has to be both spatially and physically recomposed to resemble electricity. Rasengan is only spatially recomposed - which means it's only discharged, spinning chakra. It has no element. Rasen-Shuriken is Rasengan with both physical and spatial recomposition. Look, here:

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume35.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=31124

Stuff that aren't elemental are, supposedly, physically recomposed Yin and Yang chakra, which is yet to be explained.


And I'm not going to reply to the databook part. :xd:

;>_>

[Hashirama]

That was a mistranslation. He was actually stating that he could manage to learn the Rasengan at that level. Prior to that, he also said that he had to develop Chidori when he was unable to put his element into Rasengan, that was before he even obtained the Sharingan.
Really? I remember checking a translation other than One Manga's. And it also said "copy." :/


But I'm guessing Rasengan can be copied, it still involves chakra molding and is no different than any other ninjutsu.
If Kakashi saying that he copied the Rasengan is indeed a mistranslation, then I'm pretty sure that Rasengan can't be copied since it doesn't require handseals.


And also:

it was stated in the official databook that Sharingan can copy techniques just by watching the chakra build-up. No hand seals are necessary.
Where was this stated? Can you give me a link or something? >_<

[Kankurotto]

hasn't konohamaru already learnt the rasengan??
he used it to get away from pein and to attempt to save ebisu, or am i mistaken?

Why yes.

Therefore this thread should allow us to discuss what we think of what Konohamaru did and such.

[Dreadnaught]

Oh wow. Had this been when the topic was started I would have said yes. Konohamaru seemed like the type to imitate Naruto and walk in his footsteps and follow his shadow. I had a feeling he'd learn Rasengan and my prediction was right. I thought it'd be either Rasengan or Kage Bunshin.

I think it's pretty cool actually...although I still think Konohamaru is uncool. But hey, that's my opinion.

[RasenganWarrior]

When people bring up wether or not Konohamru "deserves" to learn it or when anyone says a character "deserves" something because they are the descendants of someone I wish I could smackem through my computer. Have you all learned nothing from naruto. You need to make your own path. Heredity is no guarantee of power nor does it grant an inherent right to it. It comes from yourself. you must work towards it and learn. I also would not be surprised if Konohamaru picked it up faster. Naruto can be a slow study from time to time.

with shadow clones on the other hand he passes everyone.

the point being, Konohamaru did the work so he earned my respect. I think it warrants yors as well

after all, Rasengan and its derivatives are the greatest jutsu ever.

(just try and change my mind about this I dare you lol)

[Smiley]

Really? I remember checking a translation other than One Manga's. And it also said "copy." :/

Here. (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=131653)

But anyway, Kakashi didn't even say he copied the Rasengan in your translation. He said that he could manage to. Few pages before that, he said that he needed to develop Chidori when he was unable to put his element into Rasengan, which was before he even got the Sharingan.



Where was this stated? Can you give me a link or something? >_<


Originally Posted by Databook translation by Jyuuken: Sharingan doujutsu

Sharingan 写輪眼
-----------------

This is konoha's finest clan, Uchiha Clan's bloodline limit. Within the clan, there is only a portion of the members, possess this special ability. The tomoe seal within the pupil is the special markings of the Sharingan. Sharingan is an observation eye, which is capable of exposing everything, an illusion eye capable of casting illusions and also an eye of jutsu copying capabilities. Just like in the battle between Kakashi and Zabuza, where it seems like it can predict the future, and using different combat methods, allowing the user to have unlimited defensive and offensive strategies.

Sharingan's observation eye, is one of the finest in doujutsu. Within split seconds, this observation eye is capable of exposing to the user all systems of Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Genjutsu, also the movement and attacking path of the opponent, or the opponent's defences against fatal moves, evading movements from the user's attack, etc... These will enhance the overall combat abilities of the user in different situations. This petrifying ability is worthy of the title, "Heaven's Eye".

Plus the ability of copying, Sharingan, can wield its true capabilities... that is to copy and possess jutsus seen only once by the user. Regardless of whether its chakra molding or seals forming, all the under lying physics of the jutsu will be copied and remembered by the user in an instant. In order to weild the jutsu, the user must have sufficient chakra and also an able body that can withstand the demands of the jutsu. However, an Uchiha will not allow himself to be restricted by these conditions. This is because they will utilised their accumulated combat experience, and also bring out their potential when the need arises. The more critical the situation is, the more they are able to harness their potential to the maximum.


Important part is bolded.