View Full Version : Itachi Uchiha's last resort.
Bushido Brown
01-17-2010, 10:26 AM
Note i did not write this. All credit goes out to Yachiru @ Narutofan http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=584803
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Itachi Uchiha's last resort.
I'll discuss about:
Zetsu's statements after Itachi died.
Itachi's meeting with Naruto.
The soul transfer.
The Rikudou analogy.
Itachi's connection to the Senju.
The secrets Itachi knows about Madara.
Let's start over..
Zetsu's statements after Itachi's death.
"Itachi should've been way stronger than this.." (http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/394/6)
The famous misconception with the "true power" was just a mistranslation. Zetsu clearly implied that Itachi was stronger than shown in his fight with Sasuke.
It makes perfect sense that Itachi was way stronger than shown, considering that he already was suffering from disease (which resulted in Itachi coughing blood in the verge of death).
But now, look at what Zetsu said now:
Coincidence? Let's look at the Narutobase translation.. (the Manga page I provided you was from Narutobase)
So what did Zetsu mean by these two statements? Basically, three things.
Itachi was obviously holding back in the fight
He was suffering from disease; thus he couldn't fight better
Something else happened before his fight with Sasuke.
The third point is what interests us the most right now. The first two ones were pretty clear.
Now, let's have a look at Torachan's translation once again.. ^_^
Do you get it? Zetsu said that Itachi wasn't fighting like he ususally does and he was exhausted very quickly; But he still could use Susanoo to seal Orochimaru away.
The funny thing is that Ninja are known to have more than one affinity; Itachi uses Katon and Suiton; Kakashi uses Katon and Raiton. So where have all these abilities gone? Why did they suddenly disappear?
Another thing is that Itachi died as soon as he touched Sasuke's forehead, as you can see here:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7135/itadyingtt.png (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/itadyingtt.png/)
And notice how Susanoo disappeared immediately.. That could be due to his death, but that also could be due to something else.. Something that has to do with that poke..
Certainly not the eye techniques..
We know that it wasn't the eye techniques, as Madara said.
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9471/madarasays.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/madarasays.jpg/)
The first thing Itachi transferred to Sasuke before his death was Tensha Fuuin, the failsafe-Amaterasu, which failed against Madara as well.
But we know that there must be more. It's impossible for a simple Tensha Fuuin transference to drain so much chakra, considering that it's just a Fuuinjutsu which would fail anyway. It wouldn't be enough to let Itachi die so fast and even let Susanoo disappear so fast.
There must be something else we're still in the dark about. (And no, this ain't a misconception, for many reasons <.<)
Itachi didn't transfer any of his techniques to Sasuke; He awakened the Mangekyou by himself. (by witnessing Itachi's death and by thinking painfully of him; Look at 402 again.)
The databook clearly states that every Mangekyou comes with three techniques, depending on which ability you're specified (Itachi = Genjutsu; Sasuke = Ninjutsu. The thing with Susanoo was a misconception; Having Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to awaken Susanoo was only Itachi's version.)
One other thing that speaks against the eye-technique transference: As you can see here (http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/476-14/9), Madara was clearly suprised by seeing Sasuke's version of Susanoo. If Itachi really had transferred all of his eye techniques, Sasuke's version of Susanoo should've been the same as Itachi's one. But it wasn't. Instead, Madara's surprised so I doubt that Itachi transferred them all.
Conclusion
There was something going on at Itachi earlier, as Zetsu clearly implied. The fact that Itachi died so quickly rather proves what I'm saying, since he didn't transfer his eye techniques to Sasuke. We also know that it must be more than just Tensha Fuuin since Itachi clearly isn't that dumb to just transfer it, hoping that it would work against Madara. I'm pretty sure Itachi knew about Madara's little secret.
Bushido Brown
01-17-2010, 10:28 AM
Itachi's meeting with Naruto.
Later on, it becomes (at least a bit) clearer why Itachi was so off in his battle against Sasuke.
Itachi actually met Naruto before he met Sasuke.
The reason why Itachi met Naruto was not to capture the Kyuubi, he went only to talk to him about Sasuke. He asked him if Naruto's willing to kill Sasuke in order to save Konoha. Naruto clearly said that he would never give up saving Sasuke..
But..
There are two things that contradict with the second part of this statement. Two fatal things.
According to Madara and Danzou, Sasuke was to Itachi more important than Konoha. Meaning that Itachi would never allow anyone to kill Sasuke.
It would be foolish of Itachi to think that his worst-case scenario (Sasuke learning the truth and going against Konoha) wouldn't happen. He knew his Sensei better than anyone, hence he also knew that things would go wrong after his death.
However, Itachi let his crow fly inside Naruto's mouth anyway. And this thing really is significant, because of this here:
This was nothing but talk. It's obvious that Itachi knew this day would come. He knew that Sasuke would learn the truth.
However, this doesn't necessarily mean that this power is some kind of power that actually harms Sasuke or even Naruto.
We can rule out the possibility that it's some kind of Talk-no-Jutsu, as fans call it. A Minato-like appearance wouldn't change much since it will obviously need more than just talk to convince Sasuke, if it will ever happen; Sasuke wouldn't value Itachi's wishes anyway, as for Naruto.. You know what happened in part I.
It also doesn't have anything to do with Kyuubi, since Naruto will lose it sooner or later for plot reasons, aka Juubi appearing. It's also foreshadowed that this will happen by Kyuubi himself: "Don't kill Naruto. You will regret it."
(I can't find the chapter, so if anyone has it, post^^)
It also isn't one of Itachi's affinities (-> Suiton or Katon), since they would even help less against techniques like Amaterasu or Susanoo.
One of Susanoo's weapons would make less sense since those weapons were affinated to Itachi's Susanoo; And since Itachi died, the weapons "died" with him.
So what is it then? Remember, it isn't unimportant or Itachi wouldn't have said "But I hope you'll never have to use it."
Maybe we start on the wrong spot, maybe we should ask the question in a different way:
What if the power Itachi gave Naruto was no "power" at all?
According to this, it can only be one thing:
A soul transfer.
Which brings me to my next point, the essence of this thread.
Itachi didn't give Naruto his power, but his own self, his soul.
However, Itachi didn't give his whole soul to Naruto. If he did, Itachi would've died at this point, because no human can live without a soul.
So what did happen with the other part of the soul then? Died with Itachi? Mhm, no :amuse
The other part didn't die, it was transferred to Sasuke.
This again makes perfect sense considering the following events:
Zetsu said Itachi moved and fought differently; Yeah, because Itachi was missing a part of his soul and abilities.
Itachi died as soon as he poked Sasuke; This was due to the transference of Tensha Fuuin and his soul.
Itachi appears to be very good at Fuuinjutsu, and considering that he plans years ahead, it wouldn't be surprising if Itachi actually did this.
And here something interesting that supports this idea further:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1382/silbings.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/silbings.jpg/)
The barriers may be many things, including Uchiha Madara. Itachi says that they have to continue living together. This is one clue that is too easy overlooked.
Right after that he says: "Even if it means hating each other. That's what being an elder brother means."
This shows why he always said to Sasuke "You lack hatred." This is what he needed. Sasuke had to feed on hatred on Itachi and "live together" to overcome obstacles.
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8567/oroo.png (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/oroo.png/)
Itachi knew he had to get rid of Orochimaru of Sasuke's body and has been waiting to draw him out so he can go in Sasuke instead. Thats why he smirked when he saw Orochimaru. Quote from Itachi to Orochimaru: "...You finally show yourself..." Notice the smirk and Itachi even knew about the Yamata no Jutsu, hence Itachi also knew that this would happen.
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4420/snakej.png (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/snakej.png/)
In the picture I got up there in the spoiler where Itachi pokes Sasuke's head and dies you see the white snake slithering away, and the timing of that snake at this particular page indicates something. Maybe Itachi's presence pushed Orochimaru away. Now Itachi can "live together" with Sasuke and overcome Madara. The snake is the white snake, which is a symbol of good fortune and rebirth. It can be seen in two ways:
The snake faded away and Sasuke became a hawk.
Since the white snake is the symbol of good fortune and rebirth, it may be seen as Itachi living inside Sasuke and Naruto.
Conclusion
It's up to you to decide for yourself whether this is true or not, since different things can be interpreted. But you can be sure of this: The thing Itachi gave Naruto was something very big and it will have much meaning.
Bushido Brown
01-17-2010, 10:29 AM
The Rikudou analogy.
We learned in the last part that the crow is probably a soul transfer from Itachi to Naruto. So how is this connected to Rikudou now?
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2831/sageeyebody.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/sageeyebody.jpg/)
So according to this, Madara said two things:
The older son of Rikudou was born with the sage's eyes - > ancestry of the Uchiha. To them, power was the key to peace, this is also what Madara firmly believes.
The younger son of Rikudou was born with the sage's body -> ancestry of the Senju. To them, love was the key to peace, Hashirama's ideology.
The funny thing is that right after Itachi died, Sasuke's eye started to bleed, as you can see here:
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7199/eyebleed.png (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/eyebleed.png/)
And his eye also started to bleed when Tensha Fuuin strikes against Madara:
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/408/eyebleed2.png (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/eyebleed2.png/)
This is a major similarity to the sage's eyepower, it was as if the Tensha Fuuin wasn't a seal, but Itachi actually casted it to prevent Madara from detecting his soul inside Sasuke; That would explain why Sasuke actually had Itachi's Mangekyou form.
This transfer form resembles the sage's eyes, as it's stated in the Rikudou analogy.
If the poke resembles the sage's eyes, then the crow must be the sage's body power. Madara even said that Naruto resembles the Will of Fire, the Senju ideals. The crow is a body too, a body which contains Itachi's other soul half. And as I explained before, Itachi was missing that part, or else he would've been fighting much better.
Going by this, it seems logical that the parts of Itachi's soul will become one during the inevitable confrontation between Naruto and Sasuke.
But..
There's one problem. If Itachi comes out due to his soul, he certainly won't be physical, right?
Wrong.
Orochimaru emerged out of Sasuke's body as well, and if he hadn't been physical, Susanoo wouldn't have worked on him. Going by this, you don't necessarily need a body to be resurrected; Although it's difficult to do damage while being in soul form.
However, it's proven that one non-physical being can actually have access to the physical realm, look at Madara.
That dude certainly is not physical, since almost 90% of the attacks either vanish or don't even get through him. That's why Amaterasu and even Mokuton didn't work on him.
Madara said somewhere that he needed Nagato's Jutsu to heal his body. That's what he meant by becoming "complete", aka his soul and his body become one. The same could apply for Itachi since he certainly knew that something would go wrong.
All this is what Madara is fearing very much, since it wouldn't only turn Sasuke against him, but with the secrets Itachi knew, there's also a probability that he could foil Madara's Moon Eye Plan.
This is now the next part:
Itachi's knowledge about Madara's secrets.
As we all know, Itachi was Madara's apprentice and helped him with the genocide. Itachi learned about the secrets of the Uchiha family, including the EMS, Madara and the Kyuubi control.
However, as smart as Itachi was, he probably sensed something wrong about Madara's intentions and studied about him in Konoha history.
Now, as Sasuke and Itachi have their final confrontation, Itachi says something important:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8703/secretxj.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/secretxj.jpg/)
Pretty strong description, eh? XD And notice the glare he had in the top-right panel.. It was the typical I-know-something-you-don't-know-look.
Moreover, Madara said once: "Had Itachi known all secrets about me, that would've killed me." - It's indicated that Madara apparently kept secrets from Itachi to avoid being killed in case Itachi decides to betray Madara.
Well, Madara, but who said that Itachi didn't keep secrets from you? You don't know about the secret meeting with Naruto, you foolishly said that nothing stands in your way now - as shown here:
http://i929.photobucket.com/albums/ad132/PeacefulUchiha/161-2.jpg
Provided by Peaceful Uchiha ^_^
It's clear that both Madara and Danzou feared Itachi's knowledge and power. That's why they were afraid moving with their plans while Itachi was still alive; So they waited for his death.
Remember that Itachi was (along with Nagato) the only one that knows about Madara's secrets and how to defeat him.
But why didn't Itachi try to kill Madara if he knew so much?
Isn't it obvious?
One thing is that Itachi was already suffering from disease, thus he couldn't fight Madara and kill him.
Madara can't be hit due to his space-time ability. Itachi needed to find out how to bypass this.
Madara could've threatened to kill Sasuke if Itachi dared to to try killing him. Or he could've threatened to tell Sasuke the truth and use him as his puppet against Konoha.
There are more reasons, but these are the most important ones in my opinion. So Itachi came up with his master plan.
Conclusion
It would've been dumb of Itachi not to have kept secrets from Madara. He clearly kept secrets and he is the only one that knows about them. Nagato knew too, but he died, so he can't expose them anymore. And I doubt that Konan or Kabuto know the fatal secrets.
Bushido Brown
01-17-2010, 10:30 AM
Itachi's connection to the Senju.
Well. Everyone knows that Itachi had a kind heart and did everything to protect Konoha.
He also seemed to detest his clan and even said that his family is cursed. Itachi probably knew what was going on and what his father was planning.
Unlike the Uchiha, Itachi's heart has the Will of Fire inside it and he was strictly loyal to the village and to Hiruzen. Itachi loved the village so much that he even killed his family to ensure that the village is safe.
That's what a Senju would do.
And funny, Itachi and Sasuke share a resemblance to Hashirama and Tobirama. Hashirama and Itachi even look alike, as shown here:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7202/hashii.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/hashii.jpg/)
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/404/itachiiiiiij.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/itachiiiiiij.jpg/)
Itachi once said to Sasuke that they are unique brothers. It's a likely foreshadowing that Sasuke is like Tobirama. The kinsmen weren't very fond of Itachi as they suspected him of killing Shisui. Was it because of the Senju starting to infect their own family?
Itachi's and Sasuke's mother, Mikoto Uchiha, also has a resemblance of Hashirama and even more strange is that the suffix -no Mikoto was used for the Japanese shinto gods.
Madara said that he admired and hated Hashirama the same time; He also said that Itachi never ceases to amaze him, however, he was an obstacle in Madara's plans that needed to move out of the way. That's why it's likely that Madara even hated Itachi for being a Senju.
Oh, here a few links provided by Illusory:
Conclusion
It's up to you to decide what this means. This part is optional, just writing down my thoughts ^_^
Naruto18
01-19-2010, 07:58 PM
Dam This is Longggggg!!! lmaoo Well About the souls I think its true Idk.. Itachi might have put his soul inside naruto just like minato did who's to say.. And he might of done the same with sasuke But I dnt think he did it with sasuke. Also I dnt think this is what he put in naruto bcuz when he did give him some of his power he said "I hope the day never comes when u have to use it" So it might be even more dangerous then just his soul Idk will see.. But this gave me a headache lmaoo
Kankurotto
01-19-2010, 08:34 PM
The Senju part is highly interesting.
They really do look alike, somehow.
NaruxHina_4_Ever
01-19-2010, 08:36 PM
Ok I'm going to reply to the bits I feel are misconstrued (Cos otherwise it's just too long to reliably post against)
Page 1
The funny thing is that Ninja are known to have more than one affinity; Itachi uses Katon and Suiton; Kakashi uses Katon and Raiton. So where have all these abilities gone? Why did they suddenly disappear?
This is going way beyond aything we have seen
We have seen little elemental ninjutsu from itachi
And most of it was low level stuff.
Plainly put this is trying to look way too much into Itachis abilities.
Itachi had multiple affinities (helped by the sharingan) but he never really ever used them
Their non use against Sasuke is not surprising and is indeed misleading
The first thing Itachi transferred to Sasuke before his death was Tensha Fuuin, the failsafe-Amaterasu, which failed against Madara as well.
But we know that there must be more. It's impossible for a simple Tensha Fuuin transference to drain so much chakra, considering that it's just a Fuuinjutsu which would fail anyway. It wouldn't be enough to let Itachi die so fast and even let Susanoo disappear so fast.
There must be something else we're still in the dark about. (And no, this ain't a misconception, for many reasons <.<)
Again reads too much into evidence that isn't there.
The logical explanation is that he simply had no chakra left that even the slight amount needed for his implantation was the end.
The fact was he had drained his chakra to the extent he was struggling to even lift his arm.
His death at that point was inevitable due to chakra loss
Again misleading because the alternative explanation (Ie what was already said) easily fits the evidence while this requires you to believe that the final tech required more chakra
One other thing that speaks against the eye-technique transference: As you can see here, Madara was clearly suprised by seeing Sasuke's version of Susanoo. If Itachi really had transferred all of his eye techniques, Sasuke's version of Susanoo should've been the same as Itachi's one. But it wasn't. Instead, Madara's surprised so I doubt that Itachi transferred them all.
This has nothing to do with tech transfer
and plus we do not know the circumstance required for the other two techs to activate (If they are there at all)
So to say that they aren't there is going beyond the scope of evidence
Thus page ones conclusion is a good prediction but not really supported by the evidence
especially
I'm pretty sure Itachi knew about Madara's little secret.
If he knew then he wouldn't have given away his transfer by allowing his opponent to know it it there (With an obvious fail of an attack)
Page 2
Meaning that Itachi would never allow anyone to kill Sasuke.
Irrelevant as much of that is outside his control
He cannot pick and chose who lives and dies so this was his aim but not a reality
He knew his Sensei better than anyone, hence he also knew that things would go wrong after his death.
Then his plan is utter failure.
if he wanted Sasuke to choose a different path he shouldn't have chosen the one that led to that obvious conclusion
Yeah, because Itachi was missing a part of his soul and abilities.
Problem
Soul=Body
Like oro showed removing part of the soul eliminates that part of the body.
How could Itachi do that without making his body useless in some way unless the sould transferred was minimal and thus making it kinda superfluous
and here is the problem of the soul transfer
If he wanted to do it that way why put your soul in naruto at all?
Why not all in Sasuke and eliminate the problems?
That way you don;t need the two to come together and you give yourtself more strategic freedom.
Putting it in Naruto makes little sense
Page 3
This is a major similarity to the sage's eyepower
Lol
Forgetting the Sage had Rinnegan and not Sharingan so no uchihas eye power was the same as the sages
but who said that Itachi didn't keep secrets from you?
possiblr
You don't know about the secret meeting with Naruto,
that we know of
you foolishly said that nothing stands in your way now - as shown here:
he also said everything was going according to plan in the same page.
So I don't think it is as significant as the guy wants to make it out to be
It's clear that both Madara and Danzou feared Itachi's knowledge and power.
madara has never shown he was scared of Itachi at all.
in fact so far Madaras plans seem to be proceeding satisfactorily.
so the fact neither Madara nor Danzou seem overly worried means they don't really care that Itachi was ever a "problem" (Their plans were unchanged)
Remember that Itachi was (along with Nagato) the only one that knows about Madara's secrets and how to defeat him.
WRONG
He just got from the part about Itachi not knowing Madaras secret which is why Itachi COULDN'T beat Madara
The Conclusion is pretty much speculation on that page
Page 4
funny, Itachi and Sasuke share a resemblance to Hashirama and Tobirama
:lmao:
So between Itachi and Hash
square Jaw and dark skin (hashirama)
Pointy Jaw and pale skin (Itachi)
The eyes lines, moths, even body build (Hashirama being a bit stockier) all show how the similarites are merely anime things to do with Anime drawing itself and not characters connected
That's why it's likely that Madara even hated Itachi for being a Senju.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
ah this is the biggest load of tripe in the whole thing
Itachi was ruled by the uchihas curse of Hatred.
He couldn't break it and it was his downfall
He was an Uchiha to the core
Will of Fire is a Konoha thig and not simply a senju trait
majinsharingan
01-19-2010, 08:38 PM
I'm not going to read the posts, not even a little bit, but from what I've seen from Adam's quotes it comes as no surprise that NarutoFan has yet again come up with another ridiculous "theory" regarding Itachi.
NaruxHina_4_Ever
01-19-2010, 08:58 PM
NarutoFan has yet again come up with another ridiculous "theory" regarding Itachi.
It seems like it
It seems as if itachi is the only one going to win in all of this and that his powers seem to be near unlimited in what they can do.
The idea that the idea that Itachi can fail seems foreign to some parts of this theory
Naruto18
01-19-2010, 09:43 PM
Ya I gta agree with u guys On this one.. I mean the guy tht made this on the other site literally has no life HOW can some1 right 3 pages about this ? How can u think so much about the anime of naruto I mean U dnt got school or anything? lmaoo
But hey Naruxhina the thing tht u said about how madara and danzo WERENT scared of itachi I think ur wrong on this little part, Bcuz when itachi died thts when madara started all his plans. and he said "with itachi dead there's no1 else troubling me" "so much for I wont touch Konoha"
NaruxHina_4_Ever
01-19-2010, 10:12 PM
But hey Naruxhina the thing tht u said about how madara and danzo WERENT scared of itachi I think ur wrong on this little part, Bcuz when itachi died thts when madara started all his plans. and he said "with itachi dead there's no1 else troubling me" "so much for I wont touch Konoha"
and followed it with this bit
Zetsu:"You've waited a long time"
Madara: "It's all going according to plan...this is fine"
Easily shows that Madara really didn't care and he even seemed amused by the whole "Not touch Konoha thing"
and also he said trouble him.
not stop him but trouble him.
Basically he clearly thinks Itachi was no real threat to his plans
As for Danzou where has there ever been any indication he was scared of Itachi?
4thHokage
01-19-2010, 11:01 PM
I'm not going to read the posts, not even a little bit, but from what I've seen from Adam's quotes it comes as no surprise that NarutoFan has yet again come up with another ridiculous "theory" regarding Itachi.
Lucky you because I wasted 15 or so minutes of my life that I want back reading this awful/obvious/ridiculous theory...Can people please stop posting crazy theory's that make no sense what so ever. Has Naruto forums become nothing but nerds who have seriously way way way too much time on their hands to come up with these crazy Naruto conspiracy. I feel like who every made this thread and agrees with it will one day be the people that grow up and believe that the U.S government hides Aliens amongst its people and use Men in Black as there proof and eat cat food :S
I almost thought this thread was a MinatoNamikaze thread because hes the only person on talknaruto that makes crazy threads then this one lol
majinsharingan
01-19-2010, 11:04 PM
Lucky me indeed. I get bitched at for deleting this theory for reasons involving the activity of the forum and because it makes us look back but whatever, I got tired of the incessant whining so I un-delete the thread. Now turns out no one actually likes the thread.
For the next couple of hours or hell, let's say days, you can assume any question you have directed at me will be answered with a nice firm, "Go to hell, Shakira."
4thHokage
01-19-2010, 11:14 PM
Hey majinsharingan you can dis on all the nerds cry babies, and including myself on talknaruto but I have to draw the line with Shakira .. Everyone knows that Shakira is the most talented and hottest singer in world, and She Wolf is the greatest song/sexiest video iv ever seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PactkTnDmEE
this thread is soo bad that Id rather talk about Shakira's hot body in this video
Naruto18
01-20-2010, 01:40 AM
Lucky me indeed. I get bitched at for deleting this theory for reasons involving the activity of the forum and because it makes us look back but whatever, I got tired of the incessant whining so I un-delete the thread. Now turns out no one actually likes the thread.
For the next couple of hours or hell, let's say days, you can assume any question you have directed at me will be answered with a nice firm, "Go to hell, Shakira."
Hey Majin I apologize on what I said b4, I was defending the other guy bcuz u deleted his thread.. I didnt read the thread b4 but after reading it now like I said b4 WOWWW this is stupid!! lol How can some1 Have time to do all this it took me 15 min to read it how lng would it have taken to write? like 2 hours wow some people have noooo lives I mean the guy came up with soo much theory's I mean does his world revolve around naruto ? lol the guy who made this MUST be a loser with no life to be thinking of naruto this much....
But hey lets talk about Shakira!! She is SEXYYYYY!!! I like "Hips Dont Lie" And "Whenever where ever" those are prob my fav of her songs oh ya and shes hottt
Kankurotto
01-20-2010, 02:20 AM
Are you guys serious..? Shakira? In the bookstore section?
NaruxHina_4_Ever
01-20-2010, 03:13 AM
No they aren't.
They are going to move any of that discussion to the music section....
right guys?:susp: :susp: :susp: :susp: :susp:
and it seems like little love for this theory as well
Ryu Hayabusa
01-20-2010, 09:29 AM
Sorry, but I have to agree a little bit with the theory. My mentality is somewhat of NF's in a way. I think the first two parts of this theory, involving the soul transfer, is highly possible and seems to be the most logical approach to explaining what Itachi did to Naruto.
First of all, what else would he have done to him? It's definitely not a physical power; what, he wants Naruto to literally beat sense into Sasuke? No. And mere talk from Naruto doesn't do anything to Sasuke, as we know. It's going to have to be something straight from the heart of Itachi to ever get Sasuke back.
Secondly, I think you guys do underestimate Itachi.. though he may be overestimated somewhat in this theory, not by much. Orochimaru's soul when divided did leave physical marks on his body, but that was from force. Itachi apparently used his own technique to do it. So the results could be different. Also, according to the theory, the "part" of him missing would be mentally - he fought and moved differently, and that was his sacrifice. He was mentally fatigued by the process rather than physically impeded.
Giving the whole soul to Sasuke would prove even LESS strategic. Because Sasuke is careless, and he knows he needs someone else to show him the light. Naruto is that person, and Itachi knew it, the moment he encountered him in the forest and made his statement that he was a "better brother to Sasuke" than Itachi could ever be. I think this theory would be lovely if it turned out true; there's not many other theories I find realistic.
WhiteFang
01-20-2010, 10:03 AM
This theory is absurd. Why? It has too many irrational assumptions. And some mistakes too (like saying Kakashi has Katon and Raiton affinities)
First of all coming to the Itachi being related to Senju part.. on the basis of looks. That's just BS. This is like saying Nagato was related to Orochimaru because they look alike. The way characters look has absolutely nothing or very little to do with their ancestors until and unless it's obviously implied.
Then Itachi transferring his soul.. one half to Naruto and the other to Sasuke.
First, there is no mechanics to support this pointless assumption, or any proof whatsoever that Itachi had knowledge of a technique to cut his soul in half and seal it.
Second, what benefit does this reap? Nothing.
Third, there is no proof that someone can actually survive/function normally with half a soul, at all.
The biggest phail in this theory is the Rikudou analogy, because Itachi was an Uchiha, and this theory baselessly claims that he had parts representing both the Sage's eyes and his body inside of him. How is that even possible genetically?
There's also a lot of other stuff wrong with it.. but I won't indulge until and unless someone else bothers also..
majinsharingan
01-20-2010, 07:29 PM
Go to hell, Shakira = Quote from scrubs directed at J.D...not Shakira.
For the record.
LostLegend
01-20-2010, 07:42 PM
Ok here's my response again. Btw I think people are upset about the theory cos they didn't see it before it got deleted but I did.
In any case, this theory does bring up something interesting even if a littttttle innaccurate. The fact itachi had something wring with him after seeing naruto. He was apparrently dying from a disease but why didn't he take medicine mentioned before he saw sasuke and if he was to die due to the riming of the disease, how did he as soon as he touched sasuke. Also, itachi said he gave nary something And tobi says itachi gave sasuke amaretsu! The two are obviously linked in some way.
I think.
I think.
Madara and hasirama could control the 9 tails even if in different ways. What he gave could have been some sort of 9 tails control (if 9 hot released, not 8) or some sort of super jutsu like naruto mentioned.
Hmm. Teleporting? nah... Urm. I'm finding this the hardest mystery ever actually. Can't be a uchiha only tech or overpowered but has to relate to sasuke.
Arrrrgh!!!!
Skip.
In any case, tobi mentioned that hecwould be dead if itachi knew (He could travel into his dimension) and this means itachi probably had a counter against this. Whatever the counter was it was probably what itachi gave naruto. But u really don't know.
Itachi knew madara used the izanagi tech once as he survived hashiramas battle. How? Through danzou. All three have met each other at one point. Itachi was a double agent for danzou and danzou mentions yahura the mizukagd knew how to in a way control the tailed beasts.
How does he know that??
Link it up. You will understand.
NaruxHina_4_Ever
01-21-2010, 02:11 AM
First of all, what else would he have done to him?
Memory transfer
Anti-tech transfer
Information Transfer
Secondly, I think you guys do underestimate Itachi.. though he may be overestimated somewhat in this theory, not by much.
overestimated alot
Orochimaru's soul when divided did leave physical marks on his body, but that was from force. Itachi apparently used his own technique to do it. So the results could be different. Also, according to the theory, the "part" of him missing would be mentally - he fought and moved differently, and that was his sacrifice. He was mentally fatigued by the process rather than physically impeded.
Mental fatigue is only a basic idea tho.
Think of it.
He had to give up part of his soul.
Even removing part of his brain would be potentially crippling.
And agin the whoke soul thing just doesn't hold water in terms of what we hve already seen concerning souls.
Besides splitting your soul seems way too extreme and potentially disasterous for little/no return
Giving the whole soul to Sasuke would prove even LESS strategic. Because Sasuke is careless, and he knows he needs someone else to show him the light. Naruto is that person, and Itachi knew it, the moment he encountered him in the forest and made his statement that he was a "better brother to Sasuke" than Itachi could ever be. I think this theory would be lovely if it turned out true; there's not many other theories I find realistic.
Then why not simply make it activate upon seeing Naruto?
Then you don't need to split your soul at all.
Splitting your soul (Especially into a person already crammed with three souls) seems to be counter intuitive.
Remember Naruto already has his own soul, Minatos soul and the Kyuubi along with it's soul.
So why take the risk of losing part of your soul?
WhiteFang
01-21-2010, 02:37 AM
^ Adam, Minato's was a jutsu, and he had part of his chakra inside Naruto, not his soul. That was sacrificed to the Death God.
NaruxHina_4_Ever
01-21-2010, 03:18 AM
^ Adam, Minato's was a jutsu, and he had part of his chakra inside Naruto, not his soul. That was sacrificed to the Death God.
Still crowded.\
actually Minato is not really relevant.
Would the Kyuubi really stand an Uchiha in Narutos body?
Kyuubi would probably relish being ttrapped with an Uchiha cos he can then have his sweet revenge
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