Tsuna said he would be boss a long time ago?

[sproxy]

Here because I was threatened that someone else would make this thread I'll go ahead and make it myself ;)

Ok so Ive been debating with someone who says that Tsuna said back in the Varia arc that he would become 10th Vongola boss. He showed some laughable links and tried to pass them off as proof with some illogical POV.

He presented these pages saying Tsuna said he was gonna be boss

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#11
He said 9th chose Tsuna to become boss. No one denies this. But we have the fact that Tsuna didnt say he would accept.

He then showed this page

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#19
Somehow he got the conclusion that Tsuna said he was gonna take the ring back to become boss. But I dont see that and I doubt any logical person would. What Tsuna specifically said is that he wont allow Xanxus be the 10th boss. Which he even clarifies here

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#21
Reborn tries to give him the ring and twist Tsuna's words against him saying Tsuna said that but Tsuna had to correct him and say he never said that. He said he wont allow Xanxus to become boss.

Personally I think this person fails for thinking Tsuna actually says he will be boss but later clearly says he didnt say that, just that he wouldnt allow Xanxus to become boss. I think this person is trying to say the manga is wrong :o and that he knows more than the manga has actually led on and said. Maybe he's the writer?

Anyways here is part of a reply showing my proof

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#11
"9th - And all that is why I.... Choose you to be the 10th boss of Vongola"
(Tsuna didnt say he accepts)

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#19
"Tsuna - Xanxus. I will take that ring back. You will not follow in the 9th boss's footsteps!!"
(Is it just me or do I not see anything saying he will fight Xanxus to becom the 10th boss himself? Just that he wouldnt let Xanxus become boss.)

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#21
"Reborn - *holding the sky ring* It wont burn. After it melted Xanxus, its been very tame and quiet.

Tsuna - Either way I dont need it!! I dont want something so dangerous.

Reborn - You said it yourself, didn't you?
Youd be the tenth boss, before you let Xanxus be.

Tsuna - I didnt say that!! I said I wont let Xanxus be the tenth boss. Thats all!!"

[Dreamer]

Tsuna believed Xanxus murdered the 9th. The 9th entrused Tsuna with the titile of Vongola X. He went over to recover HIS sky ring that had been taken because he saved Lambo earlier and was disqualified. He says "I'll take that ring back. I won't allow you to follow in the 9th's footsteps." Later on Reborn mentions this and base Tsuna responds in his typical way. We all know what happens afterwards, Tsuna accepts the ring and is recognized as Vongola X.

If Tsuna won't let Xanxus become boss, add the fact the 9th chose him and the fact Reborn specifically mentions it, who is the ONLY choice left? Of course we already know the answer because we've seen it, yet some are to stubborn to admit when they're wrong and fail to use common sense.

[sproxy]

The monkey shows his own face xD


Tsuna believed Xanxus murdered the 9th. The 9th entrused Tsuna with the titile of Vongola X. He went over to recover HIS sky ring that had been taken because he saved Lambo earlier and was disqualified. He says "I'll take that ring back." Later on Reborn mentions this and base Tsuna responds in his typical way.
Yep he'll take the ring back. Not because its his or that it belongs to him, just that he didnt want Xanxus to become boss. But clearly you wrote the manga and its ok for you to deny absolute proof put right in your face :roll


If Tsuna won't let Xanxus become boss, add the fact the 9th chose him and the fact Reborn specifically mentions it, who is the ONLY choice left?
Yep just like he said, he wont let Xanxus become boss. But did he say "I will become boss"? Nope :p
Which Tsuna still has the choice to decide proven in the Shimon arc lol not that he was officially the boss, just that he was chosen to be the successor.
Reborn wants Tsuna to be the 10th boss also. But just because he said that doesnt make it true considering Tsuna instantly corrected him and said he didnt say that which the 2nd link proves itself
Jesus Christ? It doesnt matter seeing as now in the Shimon arc he was actually given a choice and was gonna turn it down. Basically it doesnt matter. He just wasnt gonna let Xanxus be the 10th boss which is exactly what he said.


Of course we already know the answer because we've seen it, yet some are to stubborn to admit when they're wrong and fail to use common sense.
Seen it? lol gee I wonder where your getting this from... Maybe the future arc where Tsuna was a completely different person and had to call back his former self to beat Byakuran? Also considering now that the whole Byakuran will never happen since it was already taken care of and Byakuran was taken care of on all realities.

Also who ever denied that Tsuna would accept it one day? We all know he will accept it one day. But did he accept back in the Varia fight arc? Nope. Manga proves you wrong lol your just denying facts laid out in front of you. Your saying you know more than the manga lol

[Kankurotto]

To be honest I really think anyone would be surprised and hesitant to an extent if a baby randomly showed up and told you that you're about to become a mafia boss.

These debates made me realize this. I feel like I understand Tsuna a little more than before now.

[Boot]

To be honest I really think anyone would be surprised and hesitant to an extent if a baby randomly showed up and told you that you're about to become a mafia boss.

These debates made me realize this. I feel like I understand Tsuna a little more than before now.


thats what the first 26 episodes were for...after a while Tsuna realizes who reborn is and what vongola really is and there comes a point where he just has to stop being a coward and accept his role...

theres no way out!

[sproxy]

To be honest I really think anyone would be surprised and hesitant to an extent if a baby randomly showed up and told you that you're about to become a mafia boss.

These debates made me realize this. I feel like I understand Tsuna a little more than before now.
Well of course. And he gained friends in the process. His whole indecisive nature is for those friends now.

But the question for this thread though is "Did Tsuna ACCEPT his role as boss back in the varia arc"?
Clearly though considering here we are in the Shimon arc and Tsuna still hasnt came to a decisions yet regarding that, meaning he didnt accept it then and still hasnt fully accepted it now.

[Kankurotto]

thats what the first 26 episodes were for...after a while Tsuna realizes who reborn is and what vongola really is and there comes a point where he just has to stop being a coward and accept his role...

theres no way out!

I've a special reason why I find Tsuna to be a special protagonist and quite different from the likes of Goku, Ichigo and Luffy:

He's not an idiot that simply rushes into battle. This is my main opinion on him being a so called "coward" regarding why I like him so much.

Tsuna, who's mainly thinking about his friends health, well-being and what not, is by no means any sort of a coward.


But the question for this thread though is "Did Tsuna ACCEPT his role as boss back in the varia arc"?
Clearly though considering here we are in the Shimon arc and Tsuna still hasnt came to a decisions yet regarding that, meaning he didnt accept it then and still hasnt fully accepted it now.

One simple panel says it all. Obviously he never accepted anything of that kind as he responded to Reborn's assumption.

Main point: Tsuna's decision.
Reborn's point = Assumption.
Tsuna's response = Fact.

Fact > Assumption. Not so hard to understand in my opinion.

And even if he was to accept the position so early that would be a not so wise decision on the authors behalf. It's like giving Naruto the Hokage spot or having Luffy as pirate king at this very moment. Tsuna accepting a such role should occur on a special moment respectively by the end of the Reborn! Manga.

[sproxy]

I've a special reason why I find Tsuna to be a special protagonist and quite different from the likes of Goku, Ichigo and Luffy:

He's not an idiot that simply rushes into battle.



One simply panel says it all. Obviously he never accepted anything of that kind as he responded to Reborn's assumption.

Main point: Tsuna's decision.
Reborn's point = Assumption.
Tsuna's response = Fact.

Fact > Assumption. Not so hard to understand in my opinion.

And even if he was to accept the position so early that would be a not so wise decision on the authors behalf. It's like giving Naruto the Hokage spot or having Luffy as pirate king at this very moment. Him accepting such role should occur on a special moment respectively by the end of the Reborn! Manga.
Damn you said it better than I did >.> gotta +rep you for breaking it down so efficiently.

[Dreamer]

Well of course. And he gained friends in the process. His whole indecisive nature is for those friends now.

But the question for this thread though is "Did Tsuna ACCEPT his role as boss back in the varia arc"?
Clearly though considering here we are in the Shimon arc and Tsuna still hasnt came to a decisions yet regarding that, meaning he didnt accept it then and still hasnt fully accepted it now.
At that point he was determined to defeat Xanxus and prevent him from becoming Vongola X, even if he himself had to take on the title. Tsuna knew that by defeating Xanxus he would be recognized as the sole heir to the title of Vongola boss -- that is what the match was about. We all know that Tsuna still to this day hesitates on becoming boss, but in this battle he was willing to take on the totle as the heir of the family if it meant stopping Xanxus from following in the 9th's footsteps.


He's not an idiot that simply rushes into battle. This is my main opinion on him being a so called "coward" regarding why I like him so much.

Tsuna, who's mainly thinking about his friends health, well-being and what not, is by no means any sort of a coward.

Tsuna's doesn't rush into battle because of the shortcomings of his character in base form. DWM Tsuna is a different story entirely.

When he is in DWM his top priority is protecting his family, his "no-good Tsuna" personality is just his natural weak personality. Even though he cares about his friends that is not the reason he's weak. He's always been that way even before he met his friends, that's just the way he's wired.

[Kankurotto]

Tsuna's doesn't rush into battle because of the shortcomings of his character in base form. DWM Tsuna is a different story entirely.

When he is in DWM his top priority is protecting his family, his "no-good Tsuna" personality is just his natural weak personality. Even though he cares about his friends that is not the reason he's weak. He's always been that way even before he met his friends, that's just the way he's wired.


My main point was that regardless how powerful Tsuna becomes when in DWM form, the characteristics are still purely based upon and strictly comes from Tsuna's base-form. No matter how much he whines, cries and how he begs for Reborn to kick him in the face. They have the same ideal. They have the same passion. And even the same goal as it's pretty much the same guy, after all. I'm not saying that this is a fact but I think that his main goal all along was simply to protect his friends from harm and danger. Honestly, I really don't think he wanted to lay a finger on the likes of Xanxus or even Byakuran (before what happened to Yuni, that is) as he in reality just wanted to take his familia home with him without any sort of trouble and live peacefully. Tsuna's main goal, may not be, but at this point should be looking for such thing.

Even though I know that DWM is a little different, a huge portion of it is practically the same as Luffy and his Gears or Ichigo and his Bankai.

[sproxy]

At that point he was determined to defeat Xanxus and prevent him from becoming Vongola X, even if he himself had to take on the title. Tsuna knew that by defeating Xanxus he would be recognized as the sole heir to the title of Vongola boss -- that is what the match was about. We all know that Tsuna still to this day hesitates on becoming boss, but in this battle he was willing to take on the totle as the heir of the family if it meant stopping Xanxus from following in the 9th's footsteps.
Nope. He wasnt willing to take it. He didnt even say or even hint of himself saying he would take the title of boss. He merely and only said he wouldnt let Xanxus become boss. Thats all. Again your merely denying manga facts. Even with direct statements your saying your right when the manga says your wrong.

He didnt say he would be boss
He didnt accept it either
He only said he wouldnt let Xanxus become boss
Reborn later tried to twist words
Tsuna corrected him and told him what his intentions really were

And whats funny first you said he definitely said he would accept it, and now your saying he would have? Make up your mind dude. Your all over the place.

And again your still wrong because he said what his intentions were. His statement is greater than your opinion. Get over it.

[Dreamer]

My main point was that regardless how powerful Tsuna becomes when in DWM form, the characteristics are still purely based upon and strictly comes from Tsuna's base-form. No matter how much he whines, cries and how he begs for Reborn to kick him in the face. They have the same ideal. They have the same passion. And even the same goal as it's pretty much the same guy, after all. I'm not saying that this is a fact but I think that his main goal all along was simply to protect his friends from harm and danger.
This is how I see it. DWM flame is Tsuna's true self that is brought out by the dying will flames. Like you said they have the same ideals, but their personalities vastly differ. Base Tsuna is a scared, wimpy, crybaby; while DWM is a confident, secure, leader. DWM is essentially Tsuna, he just needs to catch up with that personality w/o the use of the flames. I don't mean get as powerful w/o the flames, I'm referring to the way DWM carries himself compared to "no good Tsuna". I'm sure this transition will happen, as a matter a fact Tsuna recently showed progress when he decided to fight wholeheartedly against Enma and the Shimon.


Honestly, I really don't think he wanted to lay a finger on the likes of Xanxus or even Byakuran (before what happened to Yuni, that is) as he in reality just wanted to take his familia home with him without any sort of trouble and live peacefully.
There's no doubt about it, Tsuna never really wanted to harm either Xanxus or Byakugan. But he had to do what he had to do.


Even though I know that DWM is a little different, a huge portion of it is practically the same as Luffy and his Gears or Ichigo and his Bankai.
This is what I have a problem with. When Luffy goes Gear 2nd... he's still the same Luffy. When Ichigo uses hollowfication he's still Ichigo (unless the hollow takes over like we saW with H2). Tsuna is two different people, he becomes a confident, determined leader when he's in DWM yet regresses back to weak character in base form. There's nothing wrong with that to begin with, but eventually we should expect some character growth after 300+ chapters. Luffy's Gear 2nd, Naruto's SM, Ichigo's bankai -- they all remain who they are. The only thing that increases is their power. Tsuna needs to "catch up" with his true self and not need flame on his forehead to bring it out.


Nope. He wasnt willing to take it. He didnt even say or even hint of himself saying he would take the title of boss. He merely and only said he wouldnt let Xanxus become boss. Thats all. Again your merely denying manga facts. Even with direct statements your saying your right when the manga says your wrong.

He didnt say he would be boss
He didnt accept it either
He only said he wouldnt let Xanxus become boss
Reborn later tried to twist words
Tsuna corrected him and told him what his intentions really were

And whats funny first you said he definitely said he would accept it, and now your saying he would have? Make up your mind dude. Your all over the place.

And again your still wrong because he said what his intentions were. His statement is greater than your opinion. Get over it.
Last time I'm saying it and if you still can't grasp it (I know you won't) I have nothing else to say to you on the subject.

The purpose of battle was to determine who becomes the next boss of Vongola by obtaining the Sky Ring. When Tsuna made up his mind to not allow Xanxus to claim the position after talking with the 9th, he knew at that point if he defeated Xanxus he would be the only heir to the position. That doesn't mean he wanted it, but he obviously allowed chose that over letting Xanxus win. After the battle he was recognized as the official future boss of Vongola. He knew what defeating Xanxus would mean, thats why Reborn threw in that comment after the battle had ended. Like I said it doesn't mean he wanted to become boss, but he sure as hell knew what the consequences were going to be.

[sproxy]

Last time I'm saying it and if you still can't grasp it (I know you won't) I have nothing else to say to you on the subject.
Thank god because hearing you straight up ignore direct statements in the manga to feel like your correct when your so far wrong is annoying. Oddly enough thats something only trolls do :roll I wonder why your doing that.

Also I know your not done replying. Your just saying that like you think your gonna be the "better" man to walk away. But in reality its because you are wrong and are afraid to admit it even when there is a direct statement in the manga saying you are wrong.


The purpose of battle was to determine who becomes the next boss of Vongola by obtaining the Sky Ring.
1. Wrong
2. No proof
3. Your not the writer to say what the purpose of that battle was
4. If anything the purpose for that battle was to stop Xanxus from becoming the 10th boss just like Tsuna said.
5. Again your wrong.


When Tsuna made up his mind to not allow Xanxus to claim the position after talking with the 9th, he knew at that point if he defeated Xanxus he would be the only heir to the position.
To which he can still turn down and he said he never wanted and to this day still says he doesnt want it. Meaning your wrong. Clear as crystal, your wrong. You might aswell stop trying to pull something from nothing. We can only take what was said at face value. Meaning what Tsuna said is true. And what your opinion is is false.


That doesn't mean he wanted it, but he obviously allowed chose that over letting Xanxus win.
There I bolded the only part of your statement that matters and proves yourself wrong. Yet again you keep proving yourself wrong. He chose that he didnt necessarily want it and he wasnt gonna let Xanxus have it. He didnt have some hidden intention that only you seen of becoming boss. It wasnt said, meaning your words are mere opinion and thus incorrect.


After the battle he was recognized as the official future boss of Vongola.
You mean the successor ;p but being recognized for it doesnt mean he accepted it then which you said he said he accepted it. So your wrong.


He knew what defeating Xanxus would mean, thats why Reborn threw in that comment after the battle had ended.
:lmao: fail dude.

He said he wont let Xanxus become boss. Thats what he thought and thats what he was determined to do. It didnt mean he knew he was gonna be boss after or that he accepted it for fighting Xanxus. He didnt want Xanxus to be boss and he didnt want to be boss. Thats what he said. Your pulling mere assumptions from your rear end thinking they are right but you have no proof for them and are arguing against manga facts. Such arrogance.


Like I said it doesn't mean he wanted to become boss, but he sure as hell knew what the consequences were going to be.
Apparently you dont understand a thing. What consequences? He still has a choice. He still had a choice. He knew he didnt have to accept it if he didnt want it. He just didnt want to let Xanxus be the next boss for his terrible actions. Not that he wanted to be the next boss and not that he knew he would be boss after the fight. He admitted what his intentions were when Reborn made an assumption, and he corrected Reborn and said he never said that. Thus you are wrong and this is all pointless babble from you.

Plus yet again you start off saying he did accept it, then you say he would have accepted it. Your doing what you like to say "flip flopping". Maybe I'll nickname you floppy or something :zaru

[WhiteFang]

Wait a minute.

How Tsuna wanting or not wanting to be the boss even relevant to the discussion about Tsuna's personality/attitude progression?

I personally feel if Tsuna cannot accept becoming the boss (which is a very likely future that awaits him) he is just in denial. Let us not forget that right from the start Reborn has shown to be an apt reader of Tsuna's inner intentions - hence why he knows to fire those bullets at the right time.
And honestly, this entire story is all about Tsuna manifesting the DWM resolve on his own without actually using it. I'm not talking about not using DWM for it's power, but only being able to harness the inner personality which it brings out. Come back to the absolute beginning of the story - he didn't have the guts to confess to his lady love. Yet, he was able to do it with DWM. So DWM helps him to put into action what he feels. It manifests his inner convictions which otherwise he is too scared to acknowledge and undertake when he's his usual self.

Now if you're feeling something and not doing anything about it, you're being an escapist. And that is essentially Tsuna's biggest flaw which he needs to overcome. Base Tsuna does need to man up, imo. After all, DWM does show us that it is hidden somewhere inside him. A Tsuna who is brave, sure of himself and very clear about what he wants to do. Who will face all his responsibilities head on. DWM is an extension of Tsuna's inner personality/self which he needs to get out in the open in totality. To me, it's obvious that's the point of the story.

/rant.

Btw, this is based off of my limited knowledge of Reborn. Also, I chose to enter this discussion because it is clearly getting a bit heated for no good reason. Just get rid off the personal comments and stick to the debate at hand, it won't wreck your argument or something. Adding those comments on the otherhand does dilute debating standards.

[Kankurotto]

Wait a minute.

How Tsuna wanting or not wanting to be the boss even relevant to the discussion about Tsuna's personality/attitude progression?

I personally feel if Tsuna cannot accept becoming the boss (which is a very likely future that awaits him) he is just in denial. Let us not forget that right from the start Reborn has shown to be an apt reader of Tsuna's inner intentions - hence why he knows to fire those bullets at the right time.
And honestly, this entire story is all about Tsuna manifesting the DWM resolve on his own without actually using it. I'm not talking about not using DWM for it's power, but only being able to harness the inner personality which it brings out. Come back to the absolute beginning of the story - he didn't have the guts to confess to his lady love. Yet, he was able to do it with DWM. So DWM helps him to put into action what he feels. It manifests his inner convictions which otherwise he is too scared to acknowledge and undertake when he's his usual self.

Now if you're feeling something and not doing anything about it, you're being an escapist. And that is essentially Tsuna's biggest flaw which he needs to overcome. Base Tsuna does need to man up, imo. After all, DWM does show us that it is hidden somewhere inside him. A Tsuna who is brave, sure of himself and very clear about what he wants to do. Who will face all his responsibilities head on. DWM is an extension of Tsuna's inner personality/self which he needs to get out in the open in totality. To me, it's obvious that's the point of the story.

Fantastic description. *Reps.*

Which chapter/episode are you at? I'm really surprised that you know this much about him, may it be opinion or fact.

[WhiteFang]

Fantastic description. *Reps.*

Which chapter/episode are you at? I'm really surprised that you know this much about him, may it be opinion or fact.

:hug: Thank you.

lol. Episode 10. :emb: Plus I've been spoilered a lot here and there, I went through some of the later chapters. xDDD Rest assured, I will be catching up to KHR! really soon. =D

[sproxy]

Wait a minute.

How Tsuna wanting or not wanting to be the boss even relevant to the discussion about Tsuna's personality/attitude progression?
This thread doesnt have anything to do with his progression at all. This thread was made because Dreamer thinks Tsuna accepted the title of boss back after the Xanxus fight. So its nothing about his personality at all. Merely a proving thread that explains how Tsuna didnt accept it then and still hasnt accepted it to this day.


And honestly, this entire story is all about Tsuna manifesting the DWM resolve on his own without actually using it.
Im not following here. So Tsuna is suppose to be able to have DWM resolve without being in DWM? Not really. DWM isnt some point for Tsuna to reach without being in it. DWM gives more than more resolve. DWM itself gives heightened awareness and so on. His resolve goes up because its like a power-up. Think of it as activated Sharingan. He mainly gets stronger and such. His resolve merely raises because of the fact that his overall power raises which we know resolve has a direct impact on your power.


I'm not talking about not using DWM for it's power, but only being able to harness the inner personality which it brings out.
Thats the point though. It doesnt have an inner personality. Its merely Tsuna doing what he has to do. Its mostly his source of power. His overall character and personality is already strong which is what the manga hints at. That he's had this power all along, and that it surfaces now that he has friends that he cares for.


Come back to the absolute beginning of the story - he didn't have the guts to confess to his lady love. Yet, he was able to do it with DWM.
That was more part of the hyper more that Reborn puts him in with his bullets. Later on he doesnt use those bullets anymore and go all berserk. He gets calmer. I think you'll see this around episode 23 or so. Cant fully remember. But instead of acting on instinct like Reborns bullets do he instead has a calmer appearance and gains a heightened awareness, and gives him the power to fight.


So DWM helps him to put into action what he feels. It manifests his inner convictions which otherwise he is too scared to acknowledge and undertake when he's his usual self.
Again in a way not really. Him confessing his love or what ever was because of Reborn and his bullets. When those were used he merely acted on instinct. But later he's calmer and more collected in his DWM.

In a way you can say it makes him more courageous in both forms.


Now if you're feeling something and not doing anything about it, you're being an escapist. And that is essentially Tsuna's biggest flaw which he needs to overcome. Base Tsuna does need to man up, imo. After all, DWM does show us that it is hidden somewhere inside him. A Tsuna who is brave, sure of himself and very clear about what he wants to do. Who will face all his responsibilities head on. DWM is an extension of Tsuna's inner personality/self which he needs to get out in the open in totality. To me, it's obvious that's the point of the story.
Again though your confusing DWM to be something Tsuna should do on his own. But its not. Its like his Sharingan. It merely opens his powers and he becomes more calm and collected.

In all honesty you should get to where he starts using his new DWM and get to the future arc because some of what your saying is only based on hear say. Its best to actually get to that point and then say whether or not he's still a coward or not. Im not saying this in a demeaning way either or to be mean xD Just pointing out that I know you may not understand all these changes since you havnt actually got to them yet.

Also I wanted to point out that none of this has anything to do with the thread topic lol, this was about how Dreamer tried to say that Tsuna accepted his title of boss back in the varia arc, when that is clearly not true and he even says it himself later that isnt what he said.


Btw, this is based off of my limited knowledge of Reborn. Also, I chose to enter this discussion because it is clearly getting a bit heated for no good reason. Just get rid off the personal comments and stick to the debate at hand, it won't wreck your argument or something. Adding those comments on the otherhand does dilute debating standards.
Honestly I havnt seen a bit of heat :huh: the only thing Ive said is I should give Dreamer the nickname floppy for doing what he likes to say. And I pointed out that he is showing arrogance to argue against manga facts right there. Nothings really heated at all.

[Dreamer]

this was about how Dreamer tried to say that Tsuna accepted his title of boss back in the varia arc, when that is clearly not true and he even says it himself later that isnt what he said.
the only thing Ive said is I should give Dreamer the nickname floppy for doing what he likes to say. And I pointed out that he is showing arrogance to argue against manga facts right there. Nothings really heated at all.

The purpose of battle was to determine who becomes the next boss of Vongola by obtaining the Sky Ring. When Tsuna made up his mind to not allow Xanxus to claim the position after talking with the 9th, he knew at that point if he defeated Xanxus he would be the only heir to the position. That doesn't mean he wanted it, but he obviously chose that over letting Xanxus win. After the battle he was recognized as the official future boss of Vongola. He knew what defeating Xanxus would mean, thats why Reborn threw in that comment after the battle had ended. Like I said it doesn't mean he wanted to become boss, but he sure as hell knew what the consequences were going to be.
:roll

[Boot]

:hug: Thank you.

lol. Episode 10. :emb: Plus I've been spoilered a lot here and there, I went through some of the later chapters. xDDD Rest assured, I will be catching up to KHR! really soon. =D


dont bother.

[sproxy]

this was about how Dreamer tried to say that Tsuna accepted his title of boss back in the varia arc, when that is clearly not true and he even says it himself later that isnt what he said.
the only thing Ive said is I should give Dreamer the nickname floppy for doing what he likes to say. And I pointed out that he is showing arrogance to argue against manga facts right there. Nothings really heated at all.

The purpose of battle was to determine who becomes the next boss of Vongola by obtaining the Sky Ring. When Tsuna made up his mind to not allow Xanxus to claim the position after talking with the 9th, he knew at that point if he defeated Xanxus he would be the only heir to the position. That doesn't mean he wanted it, but he obviously chose that over letting Xanxus win. After the battle he was recognized as the official future boss of Vongola. He knew what defeating Xanxus would mean, thats why Reborn threw in that comment after the battle had ended. Like I said it doesn't mean he wanted to become boss, but he sure as hell knew what the consequences were going to be.
:roll

Nope. He wasnt willing to take it. He didnt even say or even hint of himself saying he would take the title of boss. He merely and only said he wouldnt let Xanxus become boss. Thats all. Again your merely denying manga facts. Even with direct statements your saying your right when the manga says your wrong.

He didnt say he would be boss
He didnt accept it either
He only said he wouldnt let Xanxus become boss
Reborn later tried to twist words
Tsuna corrected him and told him what his intentions really were

And whats funny first you said he definitely said he would accept it, and now your saying he would have? Make up your mind dude. Your all over the place.

And again your still wrong because he said what his intentions were. His statement is greater than your opinion. Get over it.
:roll :roll

I'll clarify for you
The fact that he didnt want it proves your whole entire argument null and wrong and redundant and illogical and clearly .... wrong. Him not wanting it means he didnt accept it to which you constantly kept saying he accepted it.

Here I'll show this also

Originally Posted by Dreamer
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#11
Here the 9th chooses Tsuna to become Vongola X.

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#19
Eight pages later Tsuna tells Xanxus he will not allow him to become Vongola X and challenges him.

Reborn was not twisting his words and Tsuna was fighting to become boss.

Originally Posted by vane
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#11
The 9th chose Tsuna to be his successor. It doesnt mean Tsuna has accepted.

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#19
Tsuna says he will not let Xanxus become boss. He didnt say he wants to become boss. He didnt even imply it. He only said he wont let Xanxus be boss.

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#21
Reborn made a false statement. Tsuna corrected his stupid ass and said he never said that.
Thats all there is to it. You first said he accepted it, as in he was fighting to become boss. But he wasnt fighting to become boss. He was fighting to keep Xanxus from becoming boss, without the intention of becoming boss either.

[Dreamer]

Thats all there is to it. You first said he accepted it, as in he was fighting to become boss. But he wasnt fighting to become boss.
Um? If he's determined to beat Xanxus he's accepted being proclaimed the next boss of Vongola. He knew the terms of the battle. I might not want to do something, but that doesn't mean in some cases its inevitable to do it.


He was fighting to keep Xanxus from becoming boss, without the intention of becoming boss either.
I've never disagreed with you on this. Tsuna does not want to become boss, but given the situation he was in he would rather be proclaimed the next boss over Xanxus getting the title.

And now that were on the topic. You claim that Tsuna was fighting in order to stop Xanxus from taking over. Yet this is only brought up after he finds out what Xanxus did to the 9th. The battle had already begun and the purpose of the battle was clear. Fight for the Sky Ring to become the official heir to the Vongola Family. I recommend you read back a bit.

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http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2019.jpg
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You'll probably come up with a trollish response full of unnecessary insults. And I most likely won't answer unless it's a legit response.


Wait a minute.

How Tsuna wanting or not wanting to be the boss even relevant to the discussion about Tsuna's personality/attitude progression?

I personally feel if Tsuna cannot accept becoming the boss (which is a very likely future that awaits him) he is just in denial. Let us not forget that right from the start Reborn has shown to be an apt reader of Tsuna's inner intentions - hence why he knows to fire those bullets at the right time.
And honestly, this entire story is all about Tsuna manifesting the DWM resolve on his own without actually using it. I'm not talking about not using DWM for it's power, but only being able to harness the inner personality which it brings out. Come back to the absolute beginning of the story - he didn't have the guts to confess to his lady love. Yet, he was able to do it with DWM. So DWM helps him to put into action what he feels. It manifests his inner convictions which otherwise he is too scared to acknowledge and undertake when he's his usual self.

Now if you're feeling something and not doing anything about it, you're being an escapist. And that is essentially Tsuna's biggest flaw which he needs to overcome. Base Tsuna does need to man up, imo. After all, DWM does show us that it is hidden somewhere inside him. A Tsuna who is brave, sure of himself and very clear about what he wants to do. Who will face all his responsibilities head on. DWM is an extension of Tsuna's inner personality/self which he needs to get out in the open in totality. To me, it's obvious that's the point of the story.

/rant.
Good post Fang, I agree 100%

[sproxy]

Um? If he's determined to beat Xanxus he's accepted being being proclaimed the next boss of Vongola. He knew the terms of the battle.
Nope thats where your wrong. He was determined to defeat Xanxus and not let him have the title of boss for the terrible things he has done. But he in no way wanted the title himself. It doesnt matter if he was gonna be proclaimed successor. He still didnt accept it. He only beat Xanxus so that he wouldnt become boss. Not so that himself could become boss.


I've never disagreed with you on this. Tsuna does not want to become boss, but given the situation he was in he would rather be proclaimed the next boss over Xanxus getting the title.
No he wouldnt. He didnt say that. He didnt say he would rather accept being boss than Xanxus. He only said he wouldnt let Xanxus be boss. But you said he accepted that he would become boss after that fight to which your clearly wrong because

1. He didnt accept it then
2. He still hasnt actually accepted it now in the current arc
3. He didnt say he would rather be boss himself rather than Xanxus. He just said he wouldnt let Xanxus become boss. Thats all.

You need to get over what Reborn said. Reborn twisted the situation and words, and Tsuna instantly corrected him. Meaning Tsuna's word defeats everything shred of everything your trying to say.


And now that were on the topic. You claim that Tsuna was fighting in order to stop Xanxus from taking over. Yet this is only brought up after he finds out what Xanxus did to the 9th. The battle had already begun and the purpose of the battle was clear. Fight for the Sky Ring to become the official heir to the Vongola Family. I recommend you read back a bit.
No I recommend you stop acting like you know more than the manga. He didnt say that. My claim is fact because thats what happened and thats what Tsuna said. He was ONLY fighting to stop Xanxus. Thats what he said then, and thats what he said to Reborn after. So again I recommend you stop acting like you know more than the manga itself and the characters in it. To Tsuna the battle was merely to take the ring from Xanxus so that he wouldnt be boss, not to take the ring to become boss himself. Tsuna's one and only intention was to keep Xanxus from being boss. Not becomin boss himself.


http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2018.jpg
http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2019.jpg
http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2020.jpg
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:lmao:
are you done? Because not a single one of those links helps your claim. In fact they all hurt your claim. He didnt accept the title of boss then. And he still hasnt accepted it to this day. He fought with the sole intention of making sure Xanxus wouldnt be boss. Absolutely and positively nothing more. Why? Because nothing more was said. He didnt say "Well if I have to be boss to make Xanxus not be boss then yes". He didnt say that so you can stop where you are. Your making yourself sound like a fool acting like your assumptions and opinion is greater than that of Tsuna very own word.


You'll probably come up with a trollish response full of unnecessary insults. And I most likely won't answer unless it's a legit response.
I swear to god I hope you dont reply back because then you'll actually man up to what you already said that you wont be responding back. But knowing your a kid you'll keep responding even though you said your done or wont respond anymore, which is very childish of you. So if your really done then be done. Dont say your done acting like your some sort of big man then come back with more crap that doesnt even help you. If you say your done then leave it.

And whats quite funny is I see why RLH acts like she does. Because of people like you who sit there and ignore facts. When you are shown an undeniable fact you twist it to try and make yourself right but your so far wrong. So of course she trolls your ass. Because its obvious you just get mad and dont want to accept that your wrong, hence why she uses the "You mad because Im stylin on you" image. Which a lot of cases its not true, but if I used it here on you now it would be true lol

And Id love for you to go through and highlight the insults. The only thing Ive said here is your being foolish because you are for assuming you know more than the character in question.

[Dreamer]

Nope thats where your wrong. He was determined to defeat Xanxus and not let him have the title of boss for the terrible things he has done. But he in no way wanted the title himself. It doesnt matter if he was gonna be proclaimed successor. He still didnt accept it. He only beat Xanxus so that he wouldnt become boss. Not so that himself could become boss.
He obviously accepted it, hence beating Xanxus and becoming Vongola X.


No he wouldnt. He didnt say that. He didnt say he would rather accept being boss than Xanxus. He only said he wouldnt let Xanxus be boss. But you said he accepted that he would become boss after that fight to which your clearly wrong because
So you disagree with me because he didn't literally say "I rather win this battle than let Xanxus follow in the 9ths footsteps." Talk about grasping :roll


1. He didnt accept it then
2. He still hasnt actually accepted it now in the current arc
3. He didnt say he would rather be boss himself rather than Xanxus. He just said he wouldnt let Xanxus become boss. Thats all.

Your beyond delusional. You keep disregarding the fact that I'm one of Tsuna's biggest critics for not accepting his role as boss. But in that scenario he knew what the consequences of beating Xanxus were. He gets the Sky Ring and becomes the heir of Vongola. It's not that hard to understand.


You need to get over what Reborn said. Reborn twisted the situation and words, and Tsuna instantly corrected him. Meaning Tsuna's word defeats everything shred of everything your trying to say.
It was a battle was foe the title and Tsuna won it. He didn't want to become Vongola X, but he went through it anyway to prevent Xanxus from getting it. Period.

Have fun wallowing in defeat :)


No I recommend you stop acting like you know more than the manga. He didnt say that. My claim is fact because thats what happened and thats what Tsuna said. He was ONLY fighting to stop Xanxus. Thats what he said then, and thats what he said to Reborn after. So again I recommend you stop acting like you know more than the manga itself and the characters in it. To Tsuna the battle was merely to take the ring from Xanxus so that he wouldnt be boss, not to take the ring to become boss himself. Tsuna's one and only intention was to keep Xanxus from being boss. Not becomin boss himself.

:lmao: I give you the links saying what the battle is about and you refute that. MOVE ALONG TROLL.


I swear to god I hope you dont reply back because then you'll actually man up to what you already said that you wont be responding back. But knowing your a kid you'll keep responding even though you said your done or wont respond anymore, which is very childish of you. So if your really done then be done. Dont say your done acting like your some sort of big man then come back with more crap that doesnt even help you. If you say your done then leave it.

And whats quite funny is I see why RLH acts like she does. Because of people like you who sit there and ignore facts. When you are shown an undeniable fact you twist it to try and make yourself right but your so far wrong. So of course she trolls your ass. Because its obvious you just get mad and dont want to accept that your wrong, hence why she uses the "You mad because Im stylin on you" image. Which a lot of cases its not true, but if I used it here on you now it would be true lol

And Id love for you to go through and highlight the insults. The only thing Ive said here is your being foolish because you are for assuming you know more than the characterIt's funny how you say you understand why RLH acts the way she does considering most of her arguments are with you lol

I recommend you to stop embarrassing yourself like this. The truth is you brought up this technicality because you got completely destroyed in the other thread and are looking to lash out. Tsuna knew he was going to become boss if he defeated Xanxus, keep spewing your ignorant denial posts and immature insults all you want. You still end up looking like a frustrated fool who can't get over being proved wrong.

[Kankurotto]

He obviously accepted it, hence beating Xanxus and becoming Vongola X.

In order to stop Xanxus, not to accept the title itself. Why do you keep denying this fact Dreamer?

Besides, Tsuna corrected Reborn's point within one panel in the very same or/and by the end of the arc. I really don't understand why you keep favoring Reborn's word over Tsuna's word when Tsuna is the one who should decide whether he accepts it or not, which he hasn't officially decided yet. It's already proven that Tsuna is not ready for such title yet. Tsuna practically said this himself. Him saying this is a fact.

[Dreamer]

In order to stop Xanxus, not to accept the title itself. Why do you keep denying this fact Dreamer?
I don't deny the fact he beat Xanxus to stop him. I'm saying he knew what the result of his victory would be.

And even before he found out what Xanxus did he was still fighting against him. Why was that? You can blame it on pressure by Reborn and the 9th, or even his guardians. But at the end of the day he was there fighting Xanxus for the sky ring and the future of Vongola. And even if Ryan wants to dicard the future arc, we see that Tsuna finds a way to balance out his personalities and take responsibility a lot like Vongola Primo whose main focus was his friends and not the mafia. He created the Vongola Family in order to protect his friends. Thhen came the 2nd and corrupted the system and focused more on expanding the families power.


Besides, Tsuna corrected Reborn's point within one panel in the very same or/and by the end of the arc. I really don't understand why you keep favoring Reborn's word over Tsuna's word when Tsuna is the one who should decide whether he accepts it or not, which he hasn't officially decided yet.This is Tsuna's nature. He says he doesn't want to become boss, yet he's involved completely in Vongola. This is his character flaw. Just now he had the chance to not go through with the ceremony, yet he still continues to be involved with the family and decides to fight. His words say one thing, but his actions say another. And a lot of this has to do with his weak personality. He knows what has to be done, but the "no good Tsuna" side of him holds him back.

[sproxy]

He obviously accepted it, hence beating Xanxus and becoming Vongola X.
Nope. And that is why you fail. Because your reading comprehension is lacking greatly. You need to accept the fact that Tsuna clearly corrected Reborn and said he had no intention of becoming boss. If he accepted it he would have already said he accepted it instead of still trying to decide. But you keep ignoring that proving your ignorance.


So you disagree with me because he didn't literally say "I rather win this battle than let Xanxus follow in the 9ths footsteps." Talk about grasping :roll
I sure do. Because you cant prove it. Which means Im not grasping your grasping cus your passing your stupid opinions as fact when he didnt even say that or even hint it.


Your beyond delusional. You keep disregarding the fact that I'm one of Tsuna's biggest critics for not accepting his role as boss. But in that scenario he knew what the consequences of beating Xanxus were. He gets the Sky Ring and becomes the heir of Vongola. It's not that hard to understand.
:facepalm: and its not that hard to understand that he never said he accepted it. He clearly even said he didnt say that. It would take an idiot to say otherwise because of that simple panel of him saying he didnt say that.



Have fun wallowing in defeat :)
In your defeat yeah :lmao: and in your dumb opinions because you cant prove shit other than a stupid opinion over Tsuna direct statement.


:lmao: I give you the links saying what the battle is about and you refute that. MOVE ALONG TROLL.
:lmao: you gave links showing 9th saying Tsuna is his successor. You showed links of how Xanxus was also considered a successor. You didnt however show a single link proving Tsuna accepted the role of boss. You only helped me by showing the links of him saying he wont let Xanxus be boss which he even corrected Reborn later.


It's funny how you say you understand why RLH acts the way she does considering most of her arguments are with you lol
Ah but thats the beauty of it. Only someone who has many debates with her can understand her ;) when she trolls your ass she's being legit because your always so hard headed and ignore direct links proving you wrong.


I recommend you to stop embarrassing yourself like this. The truth is you brought up this technicality because you got completely destroyed in the other thread and are looking to lash out. Tsuna knew he was going to become boss if he defeated Xanxus, keep spewing your ignorant denial posts and immature insults all you want. You still end up looking like a frustrated fool who can't get over being proved wrong.[/COLOR]
OMG :lmao: you make me laugh kid :lmao: I recommend you just stop here because even Kanky here is showing you your own arrogance in ignoring direct statements. Your being proven wrong not only by me but another person. You have also yet to show anything of Tsuna saying he accepts. So your wrong. But being the childish person you are you continue because your to much of a cry baby to admit your wrong when one link directly proves your wrong. But children will be children :roll

And :lmao: at you replying yet again. And you destroyed me in the other thread? You mean how I completely obliterated your moronic opinions?



In order to stop Xanxus, not to accept the title itself. Why do you keep denying this fact Dreamer?
*applauds cookies insight and ability to read*


Besides, Tsuna corrected Reborn's point within one panel in the very same or/and by the end of the arc. I really don't understand why you keep favoring Reborn's word over Tsuna's word when Tsuna is the one who should decide whether he accepts it or not, which he hasn't officially decided yet. It's already proven that Tsuna is not ready for such title yet. Tsuna practically said this himself. Him saying this is a fact.
And quoted for extreme and unfaltering truth.

[Dreamer]

Nope. And that is why you fail. Because your reading comprehension is lacking greatly. You need to accept the fact that Tsuna clearly corrected Reborn and said he had no intention of becoming boss. If he accepted it he would have already said he accepted it instead of still trying to decide. But you keep ignoring that proving your ignorance.
So why did Tsuna take the sky ring? Why didn't he just give the ring back to the 9th? Why does he use it to fight opponents as owner of the Vongola Sky Ring for future opponents? If he truly wanted to end it all, why didn't he just do all that right after defeating Xanxus?

Think a little kid, it's not that hard.

Tsuna is essentially the reincarnation of Vongola Primo. He created the Vongola Family in order to protect his friends. Tsuna just chose to fight to protect his friends. The thing Tsuna cares most about, Like Primo, is his friends. They have the same abilities and are mirror images of each other and are constantly being compared. Put the pieces together.


:facepalm: and its not that hard to understand that he never said he accepted it. He clearly even said he didnt say that. It would take an idiot to say otherwise because of that simple panel of him saying he didnt say that.
Your argument is so weak its laughable.


:lmao: you gave links showing 9th saying Tsuna is his successor. You showed links of how Xanxus was also considered a successor. You didnt however show a single link proving Tsuna accepted the role of boss. You only helped me by showing the links of him saying he wont let Xanxus be boss which he even corrected Reborn later.
No fool. Let's take you back to 2nd grade and teach you some reading skills. The links show the purpose of the battle. It wasn't to stop Xanxus, it was to determine the next heir of Vongola.


Ah but thats the beauty of it. Only someone who has many debates with her can understand her ;) when she trolls your ass she's being legit because your always so hard headed and ignore direct links proving you wrong.


I just love when you own yourself :lol:


OMG :lmao: you make me laugh kid :lmao: I recommend you just stop here because even Kanky here is showing you your own arrogance in ignoring direct statements. Your being proven wrong not only by me but another person. You have also yet to show anything of Tsuna saying he accepts. So your wrong. But being the childish person you are you continue because your to much of a cry baby to admit your wrong when one link directly proves your wrong. But children will be children :roll

And :lmao: at you replying yet again. And you destroyed me in the other thread? You mean how I completely obliterated your moronic opinions?

Please don't have me call on Fang to testify on your utter collapse in the chat. That would just be mean.

[sproxy]

So why did Tsuna take the sky ring? Why didn't he just give the ring back to the 9th?
Tsuna took the ring because he wasnt letting Xanxus get it.
Also Tsuna never directly took the ring back. He didnt get the ring back after because he kept refusing it (remember child, this is after the Xanxus fight). He didnt take the ring back until some time after that fight.
Plus the 9th wasnt around to just give it back. Plus he still hadnt come to a full decision yet. But wait heres something interesting

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#22

What does Tsuna say in that panel? He has no "INTENTION" of being in the mafia when he grows up. Meaning his intentions then were exactly the same. His intention wasnt being in the mafia. His only intention was beating Xanxus. But I bet you'll ignore this link also of Tsuna (who knows himself better than you do) openly admitting his intentions.


Why does he use it to fight opponents as owner of the Vongola Sky Ring for future opponents? If he truly wanted to end it all, why didn't he just do all that right after defeating Xanxus?
Apparently you missed the next couple chapters where Reborn just up and disapeared and then he got pushed into his next adventure of having to go into the future and being put against these bad people. Then of course when he heard the story of how if he didnt help, Byakuran would take over the world. So of course anyone who could help would. Even if Tsuna didnt want to be in the mafia he wanted to help keep the world from Byakuran so that he protects all his friends and family.


Think a little kid, it's not that hard.
Yes my child, its not that hard for you to understand ;)


Tsuna is essentially the reincarnation of Vongola Primo. He created the Vongola Family in order to protect his friends. Tsuna just chose to fight to protect his friends. The thing Tsuna cares most about, Like Primo, is his friends. They have the same abilities and are mirror images of each other and are constantly being compared. Put the pieces together.
Ok and? This proves what exactly? That Tsuna will accept it one day? Still doesnt prove Tsuna accepted it after he beat Xanxus.


My argument is so weak its laughable.
Oh god I know :lmao:


No fool. Let's take you back to 2nd grade and teach you some reading skills. The links show the purpose of the battle. It wasn't to stop Xanxus, it was to determine the next heir of Vongola.
Swing and a miss young one. Maybe its you that needs to go back to the 2nd grade to get your comprehension skills up.

Those links didnt prove Tsuna accepted the title of boss. You have yet to show a link proving that. Where as I have shown 2 now

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#21
Tsuna - Either way I dont need it. I dont want something so dangerous.
Reborn - You said it yourself didnt you?*1 Youd be the tenth boss before you let Xanxus.
Tsuna - I didnt say that!! I said I wont let Xanxus be tenth boss thats all!!*2

*1 - Reborn asked
*2 Tsuna corrected and answered

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#22
Tsuna - Id rather charge down-!! Especially since I have no intention of being in the mafia when I grow up-!!

Those 2 links are direct statements from the character we are talking about. You say he accepted it yet right there in your face getting smeared around, he says he has no intentions of being in the mafia.


I just love when I own myself :lol: (because I do it all the time 8))
I agree :lmao: bad habit you have there.


Please don't have me call on Fang to testify on your utter collapse in the chat. That would just be mean.
1. Haha what?
2. Your gonna tell Fang on me because your a cry baby who cant accept getting proven wrong?
3. What is she gonna do?

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Basically heres how this is going

Dreamer - Tsuna accepted being boss back after beating Xanxus
vane - no he didnt. Heres the links proving you wrong
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#21
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#22
Dreamer - Duuur I dont know how to read so no Im right and your wrong
vane - Umm no your not dude. I just showed you links proving Tsuna did not accept and still hasnt accepted to this day.
Dreamer - Well since I dont know how to read Im gonna ignore those and still say he accepted because he still fought Xanxus.
vane - Dude he fought Xanxus to beat Xanxus for his terrible actions. Not to be the Vongola boss.
Dreamer - Yes he did huuur.. Because its my opinion its right...
vane - .......
Dreamer - *Drools on self and stares blankly*
vane - No dude your opinion is not greater than that of Tsuna's direct statements.
Dreamer - Noooo my opinions are greater than Tsuna's direct statements
vane - :facepalm:

Thats pretty much this whole story to this thread right now.

[Kankurotto]

I don't deny the fact he beat Xanxus to stop him. I'm saying he knew what the result of his victory would be.

Fair enough. But accepting the title wasn't his goal regarding that very fight regardless the outcome.


And even before he found out what Xanxus did he was still fighting against him. Why was that? You can blame it on pressure by Reborn and the 9th, or even his guardians. But at the end of the day he was there fighting Xanxus for the sky ring and the future of Vongola.

Well, I think that the Sky Ring would probably be on the line regardless if Tsuna would protest this right before the match. His very main goal was simply to stop Xanxus mostly due to Xanxus's nature, persona and etc.


And even if Ryan wants to dicard the future arc, we see that Tsuna finds a way to balance out his personalities and take responsibility a lot like Vongola Primo whose main focus was his friends and not the mafia. He created the Vongola Family in order to protect his friends. Thhen came the 2nd and corrupted the system and focused more on expanding the families power.

Now this point I kinda agree with. Even for Tsuna, it's a little strange that he went straight back to his old self when he was more confident without DWM in that very arc. I agree that the author should have developed him more from that very point instead of reverting him back entirely to what he was.


This is Tsuna's nature. He says he doesn't want to become boss, yet he's involved completely in Vongola. This is his character flaw. Just now he had the chance to not go through with the ceremony, yet he still continues to be involved with the family and decides to fight. His words say one thing, but his actions say another. And a lot of this has to do with his weak personality. He knows what has to be done, but the "no good Tsuna" side of him holds him back.

It may be considered a flaw alright but then again Chrome, a dear comrade and a part of his family by now, is now in trouble plus the fact that Yamamoto was ambushed by a Shimon member respectively Kaoru.

Even if Tsuna is thinking about whether he should accept the spot or not, he must be feeling guilty regarding what happened to them. Especially in Chrome's case as not even Tsuna would be able to leave her all alone like that. He has to do something at least, may he be a Vongola leader or just a friend.

[sproxy]

He has to do something at least, may he be a Vongola leader or just a friend.
Exactly. His actions arent always that of a leader. He doesnt always have to be a leader to want to save or protect his friends. He can do it as a friend.

[Dreamer]

Apparently you missed the next couple chapters where Reborn just up and disapeared and then he got pushed into his next adventure of having to go into the future and being put against these bad people. Then of course when he heard the story of how if he didnt help, Byakuran would take over the world. So of course anyone who could help would. Even if Tsuna didnt want to be in the mafia he wanted to help keep the world from Byakuran so that he protects all his friends and family.

Apparently you missed the next couple chapters where Reborn just up and disapeared and then he got pushed into his next adventure of having to go into the future and being put against these bad people. Then of course when he heard the story of how if he didnt help, Byakuran would take over the world. So of course anyone who could help would. Even if Tsuna didnt want to be in the mafia he wanted to help keep the world from Byakuran so that he protects all his friends and family.
You still haven't answered why he kept the ring instead of giving it back to the 9th right after he beat Xanxus. When the news about the future came, Tsuna and the guardians still had their rings.


Swing and a miss young one. Maybe its you that needs to go back to the 2nd grade to get your comprehension skills up.

Those links didnt prove Tsuna accepted the title of boss. You have yet to show a link proving that. Where as I have shown 2 now
Did I say those links proved Tsuna accepted the role of boss? You were saying that the reason Tsuna fought is to stop Xanxus, which doesn't explain the reason why Tsuna was fighting Xanxus before he found out what type of person he is. The links clearly say why they are fighting. To determine who was the next heir of the Vongola title. Your stupidity is at an all time high.


suna - Either way I dont need it. I dont want something so dangerous.
Reborn - You said it yourself didnt you?*1 Youd be the tenth boss before you let Xanxus.
Tsuna - I didnt say that!! I said I wont let Xanxus be tenth boss thats all!!*2

*1 - Reborn asked
*2 Tsuna corrected and answered

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#22
Tsuna - Id rather charge down-!! Especially since I have no intention of being in the mafia when I grow up-!!

Those 2 links are direct statements from the character we are talking about. You say he accepted it yet right there in your face getting smeared around, he says he has no intentions of being in the mafia.

Read this again:

This is Tsuna's nature. He says he doesn't want to become boss, yet he's involved completely in Vongola. This is his character flaw. Just now he had the chance to not go through with the ceremony, yet he still continues to be involved with the family and decides to fight. His words say one thing, but his actions say another. And a lot of this has to do with his weak personality. He knows what has to be done, but the "no good Tsuna" side of him holds him back.



1. Haha what?
2. Your gonna tell Fang on me because your a cry baby who cant accept getting proven wrong?
3. What is she gonna do?

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Basically heres how this is going

Dreamer - Tsuna accepted being boss back after beating Xanxus
vane - no he didnt. Heres the links proving you wrong
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#21
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#22
Dreamer - Duuur I dont know how to read so no Im right and your wrong
vane - Umm no your not dude. I just showed you links proving Tsuna did not accept and still hasnt accepted to this day.
Dreamer - Well since I dont know how to read Im gonna ignore those and still say he accepted because he still fought Xanxus.
vane - Dude he fought Xanxus to beat Xanxus for his terrible actions. Not to be the Vongola boss.
Dreamer - Yes he did huuur.. Because its my opinion its right...
vane - .......
Dreamer - *Drools on self and stares blankly*
vane - No dude your opinion is not greater than that of Tsuna's direct statements.
Dreamer - Noooo my opinions are greater than Tsuna's direct statements
vane - :facepalm:

Thats pretty much this whole story to this thread right now.
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You still haven't answered why he kept the ring instead of giving it back to the 9th right after he beat Xanxus. When the news about the future came, Tsuna and the guardians still had their rings.
No I answered it your just being an arrogant dense child.

1. The 9th was injured and wasnt even there at the point Reborn was trying to give Tsuna the ring. So he couldnt give the ring back then.
2. He still didnt even take the ring back right away.
3. Directly after all of this, Reborn went to the future. Tsuna didnt know what happened then Tsuna was sent to the future. He didnt have a whole lot of time to just give the ring back either way.

Now does that answer your question child?


Did I say those links proved Tsuna accepted the role of boss? You were saying that the reason Tsuna fought is to stop Xanxus, which doesn't explain the reason why Tsuna was fighting Xanxus before he found out what type of person he is.
Ive never heard so much denial in my life.

1. The fight hadnt even started. Who's to say he would have chose to fight if the 9th wasnt injured? Certainly not you.
2. He was being pushed to continue. It was involving his friends and so on so of course he was going to the fights.
3. Tsuna said what his intentions were directly after the fight.
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#22

Read his response. He has no intention of being in the mafia. I mean I know your dense but for you to ignore that direct statement from Tsuna directly after the fight your just being completely unreasonable and arrogant. You sit there and try to say what Tsuna's intentions were yet your not Tsuna nor the writer, and what your saying is opposite of Tsuna's direct statement. Your denying certain, clear, direct manga facts to boost your own arrogant ego so you dont have to admit your wrong.


The links clearly say why they are fighting. To determine who was the next heir of the Vongola title. Your stupidity is at an all time high.
Not as high as your stupidity. Your stupidity is only rivaled by your sheer arrogance.

I'll repeat this. IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE FIGHT WAS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FLOPPY? THE CONDITIONS DO NOT MATTER WHEN A CHARACTER STATES HIS DIRECT INTENTION. HE SAID HE HAD NO INTENTION OF BEING IN THE MAFIA. SO REGARDLESS IF THE FIGHT WAS GOING TO NAME THE SUCCESSOR, HE SAID HIS ONLY REASON TO FIGHT WAS TO KEEP XANXUS FROM BEING THE NEXT BOSS. THEN HE CONTINUES TO SAY HE HAS NO INTENTION OF BEING IN THE MAFIA. I DONT KNOW HOW THAT CANT BE ANY CLEARER. YOU SAID HE ACCEPTED. HE DID NOT AND SAYS IT ON THOSE 2 PAGES BACK TO BACK.

I mean I dont know what kind of idiot it takes to ignore this but damn you really take the cake.


Read this again:
Ok fine I'll prove it wrong again

This is Tsuna's nature. He says he doesn't want to become boss, yet he's involved completely in Vongola.
Yet he has reasons why he's involved that you ignore. And you still ignore the simple clear fact that he denied accepting the role back then, he even told the 9th later that he didnt want the title, and even in the current chapter is unsure if he wants to be boss.


Just now he had the chance to not go through with the ceremony, yet he still continues to be involved with the family and decides to fight.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahah god damn hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah

Dude just wow. You have went above and beyond stupid now.
1. Did you forget he turned down the title of boss here
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/293/#10

2. Yamamoto was then attacked here
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/293/#16-17

3. 9th says he's gonna cancel the ceremony here meaning Tsuna has already declined it
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/294/#3

4. All of a sudden Tsuna gets a call
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/294/#4

What?!?! Yamamoto is hurt?!?!? By who?!?! Oh the only way we can lure them out is by accepting the ceremony to draw them out?!?!
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/294/#16
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/294/#17

Oh shit Tsuna is gonna go ahead and go to find out who it is?!?! No way?!?!

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/294/#18

Oh shit?!?! Tsuna's gonna catch who ever did this to Yamamoto!!! Well damn that doesnt leave much room to decline the shit now huh?

Oh but to you he obviously only made that choice to accept the role. No it couldnt be what he just said, to find out who did it and not forgive them :roll Just couldnt be that.


His words say one thing, but his actions say another.
Yeah his friend getting attacked then he goes through with the ceremony to find out who it is. Yeah his actions say another dont they? God your so dense. He only said he'd go through with is to find out who did it. At that point he didnt give a shit about the ceremony. His friend was hurt and his only intention was to find out who did it.


And a lot of this has to do with his weak personality. He knows what has to be done, but the "no good Tsuna" side of him holds him back.
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? He's weak now because he went ahead with the ceremony to find out who hurt Yamamoto? One of his best fucking friends gets seriously hurt and then he says to go through with it to draw the enemy out, and he's weak for that? Your pathetic dude.


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Yeah we all know your only saying that because your incapable of a proper response so you cling to calling me a troll because Im completely obliterating your floppy ass left and right.

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1. The 9th was injured and wasnt even there at the point Reborn was trying to give Tsuna the ring. So he couldnt give the ring back then.He could have given the rings to his father who is the 9th's consultant. Reborn would have made sure they got to him as well.


2. He still didnt even take the ring back right away.And?

Doesn't change the fact that he got them and didn't give them back if he truly wanted no part of it.

3. Directly after all of this, Reborn went to the future. Tsuna didnt know what happened then Tsuna was sent to the future. He didnt have a whole lot of time to just give the ring back either way.Bullshit. They have a party right after and if Tsuna really wanted to give the ring back when he would have at that point.


Ive never heard so much denial in my life.

1. The fight hadnt even started. Who's to say he would have chose to fight if the 9th wasnt injured? Certainly not you.
2. He was being pushed to continue. It was involving his friends and so on so of course he was going to the fights.
3. Tsuna said what his intentions were directly after the fight.
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#22

Read his response. He has no intention of being in the mafia. I mean I know your dense but for you to ignore that direct statement from Tsuna directly after the fight your just being completely unreasonable and arrogant. You sit there and try to say what Tsuna's intentions were yet your not Tsuna nor the writer, and what your saying is opposite of Tsuna's direct statement. Your denying certain, clear, direct manga facts to boost your own arrogant ego so you dont have to admit your wrong.
Your whole argument reeks of denial.

This is right after Tsuna defeated Xanxus:
http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2971.jpg
http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2972.jpg

He is proclaimed heir to Vongola and he doesn't seem to mind at all as long as his friends are safe.

The next day they have a party where Reborn presents him with the Sky Ring:
http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2977.jpg
Reborn: You said it yourself didn't you? You'd be the tenth boss before you let Xanxus be.
Tsuna: I didn't say that!!! I said I won't let Xanxus be the tenth boss. That's all.
Dino: Hahahahaha! You don't know when to dive up huh? Besides the ninth boss is fine. It will be a while before you take over.

Dino knows Tsuna's personality and the fact he's refuting it now, but it was clear that he would have rathered become boss than let Xanxus become boss. You should know Tsuna's character by now to notice this response was triggered by his "no good Tsuna" personality.


Not as high as your stupidity. Your stupidity is only rivaled by your sheer arrogance.

I'll repeat this. IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE FIGHT WAS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FLOPPY? THE CONDITIONS DO NOT MATTER WHEN A CHARACTER STATES HIS DIRECT INTENTION. HE SAID HE HAD NO INTENTION OF BEING IN THE MAFIA. SO REGARDLESS IF THE FIGHT WAS GOING TO NAME THE SUCCESSOR, HE SAID HIS ONLY REASON TO FIGHT WAS TO KEEP XANXUS FROM BEING THE NEXT BOSS. THEN HE CONTINUES TO SAY HE HAS NO INTENTION OF BEING IN THE MAFIA. I DONT KNOW HOW THAT CANT BE ANY CLEARER. YOU SAID HE ACCEPTED. HE DID NOT AND SAYS IT ON THOSE 2 PAGES BACK TO BACK.Calm down with cap lock troll.

You tried spinning it around and saying the point of the battle was to stop Xanxus from becoming boss when the manga clearly says something else. Tsuna was battling for the the title. Later on he larns about Xanxus. You have yet to reply properly, because you have no response. The only thing you have is the "intentions" of a character who is notoriously known as a flopper. He says something yet his actions say the complete opposite.


Yet he has reasons why he's involved that you ignore. And you still ignore the simple clear fact that he denied accepting the role back then, he even told the 9th later that he didnt want the title, and even in the current chapter is unsure if he wants to be boss.
Let's take you back to the 2nd grade:

And even if Ryan wants to dicard the future arc, we see that Tsuna finds a way to balance out his personalities and take responsibility a lot like Vongola Primo whose main focus was his friends and not the mafia. He created the Vongola Family in order to protect his friends and community. Then came the 2nd and corrupted the system and focused more on expanding the families power.
http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/5807.jpg


*blahblahblah*he obviously only made that choice to accept the role. *blahblahblah*
At the end of all those events he decided to accept his role following the same character model as Vongola Primo. Vogola is meant to protect you friends above all else.


Yeah his friend getting attacked then he goes through with the ceremony to find out who it is. Yeah his actions say another dont they? God your so dense. He only said he'd go through with is to find out who did it. At that point he didnt give a shit about the ceremony. His friend was hurt and his only intention was to find out who did it.No doubt Yamamoto and Chrome play a big part, but don't forget there was something else the drove Tsuna to his decision. The back story between Primo and the 1st Shimon. Tsuna wanted to clear Primo's name. He went into this fight to clear Vongola's name because he believed that Primo wouldn't have done what he was being accused of. This is the change I was referring to. He starts to care about the actual Vongola institution.
http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/5962.jpg


Dude what the fuck are you talking about? He's weak now because he went ahead with the ceremony to find out who hurt Yamamoto? One of his best fucking friends gets seriously hurt and then he says to go through with it to draw the enemy out, and he's weak for that? Your pathetic dude.
I recommend you stop cursing so much it only makes you look desperate and does nothing to enhance your opinions.

Have I not been saying that NOW is when Tsuna character begins to change? No one said he was weak for going after Shimon.


Yeah we all know your only saying that because your incapable of a proper response so you cling to calling me a troll because Im completely obliterating your floppy ass left and right.
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Here are 2 images that make everythign you say pointless
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll203/407boy88/Tsuna_declining.png
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll203/407boy88/Tsunas_intentionsAA.png


He could have given the rings to his father who is the 9th's consultant. Reborn would have made sure they got to him as well.
A desperate attempt to try and prove a point. His father clearly had already left while the ring was in Reborns possession.


And?

Doesn't change the fact that he got them and didn't give them back if he truly wanted no part of it.
:facepalm: he was in the future dude. He was basically forced to do this. And besides it still doesnt matter because Tsuna already said what his intentions are.


Bullshit. They have a party right after and if Tsuna really wanted to give the ring back when he would have at that point.
He didnt take the ring. He told Reborn to keep it and that he didnt want it. So yeah your whole argument is bullshit.


My whole argument reeks of denial.
I agree. Funny though that your so original that you can only say what I say after I say it :roll


This is right after Tsuna defeated Xanxus:
[/COLOR]http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2971.jpg
OMG are you serious? Thats your proof? :lmao::lmao: dude look at the exact words, SUCCESSOR. Not boss. Not boss. Not boss. Not boss. Successor. I mean really dude you fail at life :facepalm:

http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2972.jpg

He is proclaimed heir to Vongola and he doesn't seem to mind at all as long as his friends are safe.


The next day they have a party where Reborn presents him with the Sky Ring:
http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/2977.jpg
Reborn: You said it yourself didn't you? You'd be the tenth boss before you let Xanxus be.
Tsuna: I didn't say that!!! I said I won't let Xanxus be the tenth boss. That's all.
Dino: Hahahahaha! You don't know when to dive up huh? Besides the ninth boss is fine. It will be a while before you take over.
Fuck Dino. His opinion is pure shit. It means absolutely not a god damn thing. Tsuna's comment is the only one that matters at all.


Dino knows Tsuna's personality and the fact he's refuting it now, but it was clear that he would have rathered become boss than let Xanxus become boss. You should know Tsuna's character by now to notice this response was triggered by his "no good Tsuna" personality.
Dino is a retard. Dino's opinion means pure and utter shit when Tsuna on the next page tells everyone his intentions.

Dino's word = complete and utter useless fucking shit
Tsuna's word = god of himself, true intentions, the most accurate response we've ever heard considering this whole debate is about Tsuna himself.


Calm down with cap lock troll.
:lmao: the only thing you have :lmao: calling me a troll because Im slinging your pathetic ass arguments all over the place. But hey dont get mad dude, just accept your complete ass rapage in this thread. I mean its obvious your getting completely obliterated by me here. Hell even Kanky says your wrong yet you continue lol


You tried spinning it around and saying the point of the battle was to stop Xanxus from becoming boss when the manga clearly says something else.
OMG dude if I ever seen you in person I would kick the shit out of you for this comment. Your stupid childish opinion is not greater than Tsuna's word.

Your opinion = Childish crap
Tsuna's word = truth

Tsuna said he only did it to beat Xanxus to not allow him to be boss. Now your clearly arguing against the manga dude. His word here
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#21

Says your an idiot. If your saying Tsuna fought him for any other reason then your denying direct manga facts. Your wrong. And now your being a troll.


Tsuna was battling for the the title.
:facepalm: http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#21

thats all I need to say to your idiotic claim.


Later on he larns about Xanxus. You have yet to reply properly, because you have no response. The only thing you have is the "intentions" of a character who is notoriously known as a flopper. He says something yet his actions say the complete opposite.
Are you serious? Are you fucking serious?:facepalm: wow you really are an idiot.

Ok well guess what, that floppers words are greater than your stupid opinions. Thats all there is to it. Your stupid. End of story.


I need to go back to the 2nd grade:

I fucking agree.


http://cm1.cloudmanga.com/cm_source/cm_9688_katekyo_hitman_reborn/5807.jpg
Even the 9ths words equal complete shit. The 9th wants Tsuna and Tsuna is the successor. Doesnt mean Tsuna has accepted.


At the end of all those events he decided to accept his role following the same character model as Vongola Primo. Vogola is meant to protect you friends above all else.
Nope he didnt accept it.

You know what fuck the rest of your retarded assumptions. Here
Oh god fuck it, since Im dealing with a dense child I'll go ahead and sum this up

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#21
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/135/#22

Those 2 chapters say your wrong and that you need to shut up because your arguing against manga facts. Ive already answered all your stupid childish questions, but regardless of any of those questions in general these 2 chapters prove that wrong and shoves it in your face each and everytime you refuse to accept what they say.

But ok here

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll203/407boy88/Tsuna_declining.png
He said he didnt need the ring. Then Reborn made an assumption that he corrected.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll203/407boy88/Tsunas_intentionsAA.png
Here he states his intentions. So you need to shut about saying you know his intentions when he directly says his own intentions right the hell here.

Basically anything you say anymore these 2 images prove your floppy ass wrong.

So from here everyone can see your first reply to me in PM


Originally Posted by Dreamer
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#11
Here the 9th chooses Tsuna to become Vongola X.

http://www.cloudmanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/122/#19
Eight pages later Tsuna tells Xanxus he will not allow him to become Vongola X and challenges him.

Reborn was not twisting his words and Tsuna was fighting to become boss.
Incorrect
And here so everyone can see
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll203/407boy88/Tsuna_declining.png
He says what he meant so he wasnt fighting to be boss, just to beat Xanxus so that Xanxus wont become boss.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll203/407boy88/Tsunas_intentionsAA.png
And this part here pretty much tells you to shut up about Tsuna's intentions because these are his intentions proving his first statements even more correct.