Character Rating Thread #25 - Rock Lee

[Mattus]

Discuss and vote'n'such.

[Pokeaotics]

Ten. He's a perfect character in every way.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Poor Mans Gai

and Gai is pretty one dimensional even then
watch enough anime and you can see plenty of hyper and kinda dull witted characters like Lee everywhere

His moves aren't too bad tho but again they are just a poor mans Gai

[Dreamer]

Like Adam said. He's a poor man's Gai. Less interesting and weaker. I give him a 6.

[Jαckums]

He gets a 6 because he never caught my interest. But he's not terribly written, either.

[Mos Shady]

Lee is a 10 in my book, Bad ass taijutsu and always makes me laugh.

[Pokeaotics]

a poor man's Gai
Just in terms of fighting. Even then I prefer Lee, he has to work for all he has, not just randomly go SS without taking any damage. His personality is miles beyond Gai's as well, and his competitiveness with Neji is second only to Naruto and Sasuke imo.

[Mattus]

Just in terms of fighting. Even then I prefer Lee, he has to work for all he has, not just randomly go SS without taking any damage. His personality is miles beyond Gai's as well, and his competitiveness with Neji is second only to Naruto and Sasuke imo.

QFT.

How is Lee this poorly received? He's a "poor man's Gai"...that might be because Gai is both his mentor and like a father to him. Do you all think Harry Potter is poorly written because he's "just like his father?"

I found his backstory boring to read but interesting development wise. He's the only ninja who isn't actually a ninja and his fighting techniques and styles are a lot more entertaining than the main characters. He dresses like Gai, takes after Gai, and uses the same techniques as Gai but he is definitely not Gai.

[Dreamer]

Its not only the fighting Jet. They have the exact same personality except Gai is 10x's more exaggerated and Lee get his competitive edge from Gai. He's a Gai clone, just everything less.

[Mattus]

1. That is kind of the point behind Lee.
2. Lee has no ninja abilities. Gai does, as far as we know.

[Dreamer]

That is the point behind him. A poor man's Gai.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Just in terms of fighting.
In terms of personality traits as well
as I said
"and Gai is pretty one dimensional even then
watch enough anime and you can see plenty of hyper and kinda dull witted characters like Lee everywhere"

Even then I prefer Lee, he has to work for all he has,
Most characters have had to work for what they have
Lee is not alone in this nor does the generic underdog story make him unique

His personality is miles beyond Gai's as well,
How?

[Raikage's left hand]

Calling Rock Lee a poor man's Gai is missing the point of his character entirely.

I gave him a very respectable 8.

[Mattus]

^^The point of a character? You're assuming that people here are judging things with something other than their bias?



Most characters have had to work for what they have
Lee is not alone in this nor does the generic underdog story make him unique


I'm going to do this rant in the style of Randy Jackson.

Well dawg, you see dawg, you know how it is dawg cause that's what it is because Lee didn't have nothing but he does now dawg because he worked hard for it dawg instead of being given stuff like most people got dawg, you hear what I'm sayin'? Sharingan.

[Boot]

i would give every side character except shikamaru a 2..but thats just me.

[Mattus]

Shikamaru, Shino, Neji, and Kiba are the best thought out side characters from Naruto's age, imo. Shikamaru > All only because there is a Shino, Neji, Kiba, Hinata, Sakura, etc... in almost every other anime and I have yet to run across another Shikamaru that isn't from Death Note.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Calling Rock Lee a poor man's Gai is missing the point of his character entirely.

Which is?
Would you care to enlighten us to exactly what the point of his character is?

[Dreamer]

Would you care to enlighten us to exactly what the point of his character is?
To be a kid version of Gai.

[Mattus]

Which is?
Would you care to enlighten us to exactly what the point of his character is?

To be like Gai.

That's like saying Lil Bow Wow sucks because he's too Like Mike.

[Boot]

and the award for worst analogy of all time goes to majinsharingan

[Mattus]

And the award for taking an obviously sarcastic analogy and assuming it was serious goes to.....Jack? No, no sorry, there was a smudge on my glasses, I'll have William Shatner read the card while I dust them off....

...and the.............a---ward-goes toooo............................................. ......DOLFAN.

If you want I could respond like Kramer, Matthew Perry, Jeff Goldblum, Bob Dylan, or Michael Jackson as well.

[Boot]

and the award for wtf are you talking about goes to majin again..he's on a roll fellas.

[Kankurotto]

Part 1: 9. (Classic Lee ftw.)
Part 2: 6.

He's sadly one of the side characters that has been sidelined for a damn long time. But considering what's going on with Chouji atm, anything could happen. And I'm hoping for a certain 'anything' to happen.

[Amaterasu13]

Lee is just a funny and good character. He makes me laugh every time I see him. Some of you say he is a poor man's Gai, but I think it is the combination of him and Gai that makes it even funnier.

On an emberrasing side note; it seriously took to the episode where you see Lee's history that I found out he was NOT Gai's son. Lol

[Mattus]

That's when I found that out too xD

[Toastykins]

Kishi's greatest feat.

10.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Kishi's greatest feat.

10.
Can you expand on this?

How is Lee anything other then a generic Character who is basically a weaker version of Gai?

[Raikage's left hand]

Can you expand on this?

How is Lee anything other then a generic Character who is basically a weaker version of Gai?

Rock Lee's Springtime of Youth.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Rock Lee's Springtime of Youth.

cute

but not really seeing how generic overactive idiot character is somehow unique

[Jαckums]

I changed my mind. I rate him an 8.


but not really seeing how generic overactive idiot character is somehow unique

Stop talking about Naruto like that!

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Stop talking about Naruto like that!

:D Precisely
Forgetting the clothing difference, even in the Naruto manga Lee is pretty much a pale imitation of anouther character
Over the top personality
Strong abilities
Needed to work hard to overcome their inability to perform certain ninja moves
Found they were geniuses and became great ninjas
and were generally mocked as kids

So why rate lee so high when there are the same sort of characters done better in the manga itself?

[Mattus]

:D Precisely
Forgetting the clothing difference, even in the Naruto manga Lee is pretty much a pale imitation of anouther character
Over the top personality
Strong abilities
Needed to work hard to overcome their inability to perform certain ninja moves
Found they were geniuses and became great ninjas
and were generally mocked as kids

So why rate lee so high when there are the same sort of characters done better in the manga itself?

Because Lee is the only one like him in the manga?????
Yes personality wise there are others, Naruto for example. However Naruto has trolled and copped his way to power. It's bullshit. Lee did BASIC training to achieve his level of strength. Fuck ninja training, that crazy son of a bitch got to moving over 50 m/s by running LAPS. That has not been done anywhere else and if so, please so me where.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Because Lee is the only one like him in the manga?????
So then every character should get a 10 for being unique?

Yes personality wise there are others, Naruto for example. However Naruto has trolled and copped his way to power. It's bullshit.
Naruto has had hard training much like Lee
He struggled at many points to achieve the power he has now
Just
Like
Lee

Lee did BASIC training to achieve his level of strength.
Lee went beyond basic
Or are you forgetting the Gates release which is one of the more advanced and dangerous abilities

Fuck ninja training, that crazy son of a bitch got to moving over 50 m/s by running LAPS. That has not been done anywhere else and if so, please so me where.
Did something really basic to learn something strong......
Kinda like popping ballons with Chakra?

[Mattus]

So then every character should get a 10 for being unique?

If they are unique and well written, yes.


Naruto has had hard training much like Lee
He struggled at many points to achieve the power he has now
Just
Like
Lee

That's cute. Read the manga. Naruto has put in nothing compared to Lee. Naruto had infinite chakra so things came easy for him to begin with. Secondly, a good number of his training, or at least the training that has exponentially improved his skills, has been BS and trolled.


Lee went beyond basic
Or are you forgetting the Gates release which is one of the more advanced and dangerous abilities


Which he achieved through basic training. All the more impressive.


Did something really basic to learn something strong......
Kinda like popping ballons with Chakra?

No, kind of like running laps until you move so fast you can't be seen. Like he did.

[Raikage's left hand]

Number of awesome manga's starring Rock Lee: 1
Number of awesome manga's starring any other character from Naruto: 0.

Definitive proof that Rock Lee is the greatest character. No denying it now.

[Mattus]

I don't even know what that means. You must be right.

[Raikage's left hand]

I don't even know what that means. You must be right.

That's because there is a very fine line between genius and madness.

[Mattus]

Spoken like a true ninja warrior.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

If they are unique and well written, yes.
And how is he unique?
I can look through various animes and find characters just like him (Oh sure they look slightly different and have different clothes but in terms of character traits they are essentially the same)

That's cute. Read the manga. Naruto has put in nothing compared to Lee. Naruto had infinite chakra so things came easy for him to begin with. Secondly, a good number of his training, or at least the training that has exponentially improved his skills, has been BS and trolled.
Naruto has put in just as much
From someone with little skill for even basic jutsus to someone who can rock with the best of them

Lee has simply learnt the basics and then got the God mode
otherwise he did little else

No, kind of like running laps until you move so fast you can't be seen. Like he did.
Which is parralleled by how many other characters?
again doing the basics to learn to become strong

[Mattus]

And how is he unique?
I can look through various animes and find characters just like him (Oh sure they look slightly different and have different clothes but in terms of character traits they are essentially the same)

I said a unique and well written character should get a 10. I didn't say Lee was unique. Quote me next time.


Naruto has put in just as much
From someone with little skill for even basic jutsus to someone who can rock with the best of them

:lmao:

Naruto has not put in anything compared to Lee. Naruto trained for a few minutes and got Shadow Clones. A few days to get Summoning and Rasengan. Barely any time to get Sage Mode and FRS.

Lee trained several hours(at least) every day for quite a few years. He has gotten where he is off of 100% hard work. He started with literally no ability. You cannot say that about Naruto at all.


Lee has simply learnt the basics and then got the God mode
otherwise he did little else

The basics? No, he doesn't know any basics. He knows taijutsu and the gates. No basics. He got to where he did by doing training that WE would do if WE wanted to get stronger.


Which is parralleled by how many other characters?
again doing the basics to learn to become strong

Literally none. Lee is the only character to do that and I challenge you to prove me wrong.

How do you do push ups to learn fire jutsu?
How do you run laps to make a clone?
How do you punch a wooden post and learn Tsukoyomi?

You don't. Genjutsu and Ninjutsu are made by training Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, not Taijutsu. So Lee is literally the only character to do what he has done. Maybe Gai but we have no evidence of that.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

I didn't say Lee was unique.
Then what is the basis of your argument?

Naruto has not put in anything compared to Lee. Naruto trained for a few minutes and got Shadow Clones. A few days to get Summoning and Rasengan. Barely any time to get Sage Mode and FRS.
Broken limbs from backfiring techs
almost consumed by Kyuubi
Turning to stone
etc
The risks for naruto have been 100x greater for Naruto then Lee
The payoffs reflect that

Lee trained several hours(at least) every day for quite a few years. He has gotten where he is off of 100% hard work. He started with literally no ability. You cannot say that about Naruto at all.
Naruto started with no ability
I can say that remembering how Naruto started
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-001/page014.html

he didn't even have an aptitude for Taijutsu like Lee

The basics? No, he doesn't know any basics. He knows taijutsu and the gates. No basics. He got to where he did by doing training that WE would do if WE wanted to get stronger.
Doesn't have basics?
what?

Lee is the only character to do that and I challenge you to prove me wrong.
Huh?

How do you do push ups to learn fire jutsu?
how long does it take to learn the chkra manipulation required to perform this?
how long to memorise the correct hand seals?
the right mix of spiritual and physical chakra?
the right elemental affinities?
The right amount of stamina and chakra?

How do you run laps to make a clone?
lets take Shadow clones
How long to learn the correct chakra control?
Correct balcance of Chakras to clone?
Co-ordination and control of clone?
Balance of clones lost to the benefits gained?

How do you punch a wooden post and learn Tsukoyomi?
How do you gain the Sharingan?
Train itto 3 tomoe?
Gain MS?
Balance use with Chakra Supply?
Balnce use with blindness?

You don't. Genjutsu and Ninjutsu are made by training Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, not Taijutsu. So Lee is literally the only character to do what he has done. Maybe Gai but we have no evidence of that.
Your argument is not actually addressing the problem
A parallel is someones story that is basically the same
Not necessarily an exact copy and paste but so similar they might as well be
Lees story is not unique
The fact that he learnt Taijutsu instead of anouther speciality really means little when paralleled to a different character

[Mattus]

Yes, if you generalize it then Lee's story is the same as everyone's else.
But if you actually look at it as it really is. Lee is the only person who started with literally nothing and through hard work, came out an incredibly strong ninja. And no, your examples about shadow clones and sharingan don't count. Why. BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO THEM! Lee became as strong as he is using methods that WE use. Do you coordinate your chakra and train your 3-tomoe when you want to work out? Or do you do push-ups and run?

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

Yes, if you generalize it then Lee's story is the same as everyone's else.
Exactly
So how is he somehow a great accomplishment as a character?

But if you actually look at it as it really is. Lee is the only person who started with literally nothing and through hard work, came out an incredibly strong ninja. And no, your examples about shadow clones and sharingan don't count. Why. BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO THEM! Lee became as strong as he is using methods that WE use. Do you coordinate your chakra and train your 3-tomoe when you want to work out? Or do you do push-ups and run?
We can't do what Lee does either through simply strapping weights to our legs
So I don't see how that argument works?

[Mattus]

We can't do what Lee does either through simply strapping weights to our legs
So I don't see how that argument works?

People are doing ninja training and he's doing training the way WE would do training and he's getting incredibly results because he is working 24/7.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

People are doing ninja training and he's doing training the way WE would do training and he's getting incredibly results because he is working 24/7.
Think of Ninjas like modern sports players
Do they all train the same way?
No
There is the difference between say Lee and Sakura or Naruto or Kiba or Kankuro
It is simply the difference in styles due to different techniques like how Hockey players, Soccer players, Marathon Runners and Surfers all train differently