Vegetarians

[Zent]

Why are you a vegetarian? [If you are.]
Why are you NOT a vegetarian? [If you're not.]

This is intended to be a discussion topic, so please don't come in and say "I'm vegetarian", "I'm vegan" or "I'm not vegetarian".

Let's give this thread substance, guys.

[NaruxHina_4_Ever]

I'm personally not a vegetarian as I enjoy meat too much to be one but I have a cousin who is a vegetarian simply because she doesn't feel comfortable eating animal meats (But does eat eggs etc) so really it comes down to a personal preference for both of us.

[Salaminic]

I'm not a vegetarian. I don't see why one should not eat meat. I find meat very tasty and... I like to eat it. Nothing wrong about that.

[Mattus]

I'm not a vegetarian because
MEAT = GOOD.

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

lol im not a vegetarian, and i dont think i would ever consider becoming a vegetarian...too many risks, ya kno?? but i think that people who r vegetarians r realli great bcuz they dont wanna hurt animals, which i think is realli kind. but i still wouldnt be a vegetarian.

[Summer.]

I was a vegitarian for one and a half year.
But then I stopped cuz my hair started to falling out :S
I still don't eat much meat tho...

[MissySmithy]

Me too, I tried it for a whole month! But I stopped when I saw my friend eating a cheese burger.
I went to get one after it. It was the best burger I've ever had :D .

[KaitouSai100]

Haha. Yeah, last time I tried a vegetarian meal, I got sick and threw up. I had the chicken the next day.

But really, I suppose vegetarians have their heart in the right places, but they need to realize all the risks before going vegetarian.

[Summer.]

that's right :)

like my hair... oh well... :S
But still, some people say it's healthy not to eat meat. Idk...
It's probably not... at least from what I saw in my case...

[Mattus]

It's healthy to eat meat.
It's not healthy not to eat meat.
Meat is good!
Also Tofu Dogs...anyone find that slightly more disgusting that the actual thing?
It's fake, processed pig intestines.

[Ido]

Meat= Great Food

Vegetarians have their reasons, they don't like to eat animals because they are living things that live around the world, they need to live free like us.
So they eay vejies.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

I was a vegitarian for one and a half year.
But then I stopped cuz my hair started to falling out :S
I still don't eat much meat tho...

That happened to my sister, I hella made fun on her.
Anyways, there's a lot of veg. at my school, but there not animal crazy people, they're just think animals are dirty and want nothing to do with them. But me personally, I eat meat, it's part of my cultures food.:)

[Summer.]

That happened to my sister, I hella made fun on her.


*gasp*

that's nooot funny at all O.O xDD

It was awful. xD

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

*gasp*

that's nooot funny at all O.O xDD

It was awful. xD

I toooollld her to get her protein another way. but noooooo, she didn't and look what happend. Plus my doctor told me that if you just want to become a veg. that you should see a nutritionest, so they tell you how to get protein. My sister even almost fainted because she was dumb and only ate fruit and vegitables.:(

[Summer.]

yeah, you have to replace proteins in some other way :)

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

*gasp*

that's nooot funny at all O.O xDD

It was awful. xD

yea, that is kinda sad.
one of my art teachers was a vegetarian and she started having problems like that too...but when that kind of stuff happens 2 vegetarians then they could always get like iron pills and vitamins 2 get the nutrients they need sp their hair wont fall out and their digestive systems dont get screwed, i think vegetarians r realli great but i wouldnt bcome one cuz im just too addicted 2 foods with meat in it...even skittles!!! i could never stop eating skittles!!

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

^ ^ lol, skittles, I like them too.

[Summer.]

hehe :D

well, you get used to food without meat pretty quickly =D
and it's good^^

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

Thats what ny sister said, but she had to stop when she stared to get light headed. And theres some things that would stop your hair from falling out. Strawberries and almonds, that makes your hair grow like crazy.

[Moonlight]

I'm considering becoming a vegetarian. I'm totally against animal cruelty. And after watching those videos on how brutally chickens and cows are slaughtered I'm not sure how anyone can stand to look at meat ever again, let alone eat it. No rotting carcasses for me, thank you very much.

My friend's a vegetarian and she never has problems with light headedness or hair falling out O.o You probably weren't getting enough protein.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

I saw those video's, but like the sying goes, "just because you eat the burger doesn't mean you want to meet the cow". lol, well the veg. i know don't care about animals, they hate them, thats why they don't eat them.

[Moonlight]

I saw those video's, but like the sying goes, "just because you eat the burger doesn't mean you want to meet the cow".

Just because you ignore it doesn't mean it's not happening.


lol, well the veg. i know don't care about animals, they hate them, thats why they don't eat them.

People become vegetarians for lots of different reasons ... Though I have to say that's the first time I heard something that weird XP You mean they don't like the taste, or what?

[KaitouSai100]

I know the cruelty of animals is harsh in many cases, however, if everyone were to go vegetarian, our economy would probably go back into a recession. Almost everyone on this earth eats meat, so if we suddenly stopped, all the profits made by grocery stores, farmers, other stores a lot of people would be homeless and poor and malnurished.

The cow/chicken/pig population would skyrocket and all the plants we would be eating wouldn't be enough for the cows/chickens/pigs to eat.

And that's why I'm a meat-eater. But I do believe that some companies aren't going the right way about treating their livestock.

[Incendiary]

I am half-vegetarian... I don't eat fish/pork/vile/anything.

Except chiken. Grilled, please.

[HyuugaHinata]

I love animals but I love meat. I get headaches without meat. Like right now x(

[Moonlight]

I know the cruelty of animals is harsh in many cases, however, if everyone were to go vegetarian, our economy would probably go back into a recession. Almost everyone on this earth eats meat, so if we suddenly stopped, all the profits made by grocery stores, farmers, other stores a lot of people would be homeless and poor and malnurished.

The cow/chicken/pig population would skyrocket and all the plants we would be eating wouldn't be enough for the cows/chickens/pigs to eat.
Wrong.

The population of slaughter animals would not 'skyrocket' because we'd no longer be breeding them to eat... Yes, people would lose those jobs. However, vegetables and soy products would be in popular demand and would take over the positon meat used to hold; thus, people formerly employed by meat 'factories' or grocery stores that would previously sell meat would simply switch out for the new, popular product. Meat 'farmers' would switch to growing veggies. The economy would not simply 'die out'; it would just change.


And that's why I'm a meat-eater. But I do believe that some companies aren't going the right way about treating their livestock.
Correction: nearly all companies are cruelly mistreating their livestock.

[MANGA_FREAK4]

Woot!
Im a proud veg!


I would go into detail on how exactly they mistreat the animals but I dont want to make anyone sick =p

P.E.T.A all the way!

Animals Are Not Ours to Eat
Animals Are Not Ours to Wear
Animals Are Not Ours to Experiment On
Animals Are Not Ours to Use for Entertainment
Animals Are Not Ours to Abuse in Any Way

[Moonlight]

Woot!
Im a proud veg!


I would go into detail on how exactly they mistreat the animals but I dont want to make anyone sick =p

P.E.T.A all the way!

Animals Are Not Ours to Eat
Animals Are Not Ours to Wear
Animals Are Not Ours to Experiment On
Animals Are Not Ours to Use for Entertainment
Animals Are Not Ours to Abuse in Any Way

Amen! :D

[kstylegunz]

I'm a meat eater and will always be but you can still be healthy by being vegetarians because there are many other food that gives proteins and vitamins

[MANGA_FREAK4]

Yup.
Like peanut butter!
I eat lots and lots of pb ^^

[NejiTaker]

Eating meat owns face. Almost every meal I eat consists of meat. Why? Because meat tastes damn good. Heck, they all taste so good I can't even decide which is my favorite.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

I think meats good, but im not a meat lover. lol, i can go a while without eating meat.

[KaitouSai100]

Wrong.

The population of slaughter animals would not 'skyrocket' because we'd no longer be breeding them to eat... Yes, people would lose those jobs. However, vegetables and soy products would be in popular demand and would take over the positon meat used to hold; thus, people formerly employed by meat 'factories' or grocery stores that would previously sell meat would simply switch out for the new, popular product. Meat 'farmers' would switch to growing veggies. The economy would not simply 'die out'; it would just change.

First of all. I'd rather die then eat tofu and drink soy milk.

And you cannot stop the natural order of life. Animals are going to reproduce. With one eating them, all their numbers can do is climb. We won't be forcibly making them mate, but they will still do so. And you haven't addressed how we would feed all these animals and people.

You've stated that farmers would just switch to veggies, but how are they going to afford all those seeds? What about their livestock? Are they suppose to buy seeds and feed livestock? Or just let their livestock roam free where they would surely die due to a lack of ability to survive on their own?

According to this website: http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/industries/Wholesale-Trade/Meats-Meat-Products.html
The Tyson food company hires around 24,000 people. So all those people are expected to get fired and find a new job so easily? That would take a long while.

And I never said our economy would die out, I just stated that we would go in a minor recession (considering how weak it is now). It would change, but that would take a long while.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

In meat farms don't they breed animals just to be slaughtered?

[KaitouSai100]

I believe so. It makes sense.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

so then i don't think meat will ever run out, because its being controlled. or am i wrong?

[Moonlight]

First of all. I'd rather die then eat tofu and drink soy milk.

And you cannot stop the natural order of life. Animals are going to reproduce. With one eating them, all their numbers can do is climb. We won't be forcibly making them mate, but they will still do so. And you haven't addressed how we would feed all these animals and people.

You've stated that farmers would just switch to veggies, but how are they going to afford all those seeds? What about their livestock? Are they suppose to buy seeds and feed livestock? Or just let their livestock roam free where they would surely die due to a lack of ability to survive on their own?

According to this website: http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/industries/Wholesale-Trade/Meats-Meat-Products.html
The Tyson food company hires around 24,000 people. So all those people are expected to get fired and find a new job so easily? That would take a long while.

And I never said our economy would die out, I just stated that we would go in a minor recession (considering how weak it is now). It would change, but that would take a long while.

I asked my friend for her input on this argument, and this is what she said (when I showed her your reply):

"No, she is not right. She is using a hypothetical scenario that will never happen as an excuse to eat meat. "I have to eat meat because the world will be overrun!" Not! Owners of livestock are in control of their animals from birth to death, the animals do not breed unless they are allowed to. If the world did become vegetarian or even vegan it would take hundreds of years (sad but true) for that to happen. She probably thinks we need crime to keep the police employed as well."

Anyway, personally I think it's pretty sad you don't care that poor, defenseless animals die a violent death for the sake of your taste buds every day. Doesn't that bother you the least bit?

The theory in question makes no sense anyway ("If the world suddenly became vegetarian...") If the entire world were to change to vegetarianism (which I highly doubt) it'd be extremely gradual. 24,000 people would not be "fired" at the exact same time. Like my friend said, it would take hundreds of years for people to adapt to their new lifestyle (as a planet). The process would be very slow.

[KaitouSai100]

Considering I have to go to school in a few minutes, I write a rebuttal when I get back.

We need meat. It's necessary to our health and we would have to evolve if we couldn't eat it.

And I'm aware that the process would be gradual. But that is still 24,000 people eventually getting fired from their jobs. And no, it doesn't bother me that animals are dying for my taste buds. It's the circle of life. It happens in nature, it happens with humans.

[Salaminic]

It actually isn't necessary. Think about it like... An addition to our regular diet with no meat. - Meat just helps, makes everything better.

[Moonlight]

Considering I have to go to school in a few minutes, I write a rebuttal when I get back.

We need meat. It's necessary to our health and we would have to evolve if we couldn't eat it.

And I'm aware that the process would be gradual. But that is still 24,000 people eventually getting fired from their jobs. And no, it doesn't bother me that animals are dying for my taste buds. It's the circle of life. It happens in nature, it happens with humans.

School was cancelled today in my area :p

Before you do anything, read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/we...6cb&ei=5087%0A
Direct quote from said article: It’s likely that most of us would do just fine on around 30 grams of protein a day, virtually all of it from plant sources.

And you cannot stop the natural order of life. Animals are going to reproduce. With one eating them, all their numbers can do is climb. We won't be forcibly making them mate, but they will still do so. And you haven't addressed how we would feed all these animals and people.

There is not an infinite amount of space available for animals to roam. There are natural predators that would kill the animals, and if there aren't enough space and resources available to them, they would die off from starvation, etc... It isn't our responsibility to feed every squirrel and deer and coyote who lives in the wild, why would we have to go out and feed free roaming cattle herds?

You've stated that farmers would just switch to veggies, but how are they going to afford all those seeds? What about their livestock? Are they suppose to buy seeds and feed livestock? Or just let their livestock roam free where they would surely die due to a lack of ability to survive on their own?

This wouldn't happen overnight. Livestock farmers would GRADUALLY reduce the size of their herds, stop breeding, etc... until they did not have any animals. As they have less livestock to care for, they invest in other forms of agriculture. The amount of money spent on livestock feed would far exceed the amount needed to start other farms.

Meat in no way runs the economy. If dairy, poultry and meat farmers stop raising animals and grow fruits, vegetables, grains and legumes, there wouldn't be a difference because the demand would change.

If we stop creating a demand for meat, then people will have to supply the demand for more vegetables. It's as simple as that.

My friend, the one I mentioned before, said something I could not have phrased better:
"I don't argue with a human's ability or desire to eat meat. I argue with the way we treat animals, produce meat, and consume meat in modern society. We torture animals and are eating such an excess of meat that we are killing ourselves. We are destroying the environment and wasting tons of food on animals that could otherwise feed humans. We need to drastically reduce meat consumption and treat animals humanely. If all that happened would I still be vegetarian? Yes. Because it's still a dead animal you're eating and that still grosses me out."

One more thing: saying "I have to eat meat or else all the meat industry employees would be out of a job" is like saying "I have to commit crimes or else all the police officers would be out of a job." Very weak excuse for continuing to eat meat.

[Moonlight]

It actually isn't necessary. Think about it like... An addition to our regular diet with no meat. - Meat just helps, makes everything better.

Uh-huh. Sure. Heart disease and high cholesterol certainly "make everything better."

[Salaminic]

That's not the meat, it's the... Well, you know... The fat thing. It can be removed. Chicken meat for instance... It hardly has any, is tasty, and healthy.

[Moonlight]

That's not the meat, it's the... Well, you know... The fat thing. It can be removed. Chicken meat for instance... It hardly has any, is tasty, and healthy.

Still doesn't excuse the fact that a) the chicken was most likely abused for a few minutes of your petty pleasure and b) you're eating flesh. Dead, rotting, animal flesh. Carcasses.

[kstylegunz]

Vegetarians suck in fact I love eating animals

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

^^dont say that!!
just bcuz you like 2 eat meat doesnt mean that other do!!
i think vegetarians r good people, and if it werent them becoming vegetarians everyday, then the people who do eat meat would hav 2 pay alott more for it and there would be alott less 2 sell.

[Salaminic]

Caring for animals is all okay, but the fact remains... We're the superior race. We can kill them for food if we want. Our ancestors did. - And everything was fine. All in all... Animal were created for us to "use" them. Kill them and eat them...

[Sai]

I love meat....I'd probably go insane if I didn't have it

[Summer.]

Caring for animals is all okay, but the fact remains... We're the superior race. We can kill them for food if we want. Our ancestors did. - And everything was fine. All in all... Animal were created for us to "use" them. Kill them and eat them...

yeah, but they were killing when they NEEDED food. LOTS of meat is thrown away every single day cuz we can't consume all of it. I think that's the main wrong thing. cuz then killing is completely pointless. we kill living creature of nature for nothing.

[Kisame]

well idk what i would do without my meat i would probloy go insane or something.... but also do like my vegi's so yah..... go meat and vegi's!!!!

[Uchiha-Madara]

hey i like my salads, but meat is essential for the body, yeah there are ways to get minerals from not eating meat, but it makes things better

[Salaminic]

Yes, but the thing here isn't how are we killing more animals than we should... It's do we like our meat or not. And why...

[mangekyouking]

i LIKE veges, dont get me wrong, but i think meat tastes much better ^_^

[Thomas60]

I'm not a vegetarian, just because I like meat.

I don't like the idea of animals getting killed, but then I take whatever's on the shelf at the supermarket, i'd be more than happy if someone offered an alternative ways of having a balanced diet.. and meat was off the shelves but until them.. im a hypocrite <_<

I would be happy if the need for hunting and farming livestock ceased to be needed for all animals but you can't stop nature.

[Moonlight]

^ It's not nature. It's ignorance. No, not even that - it's voluntary ignorance.

[Thomas60]

^ It's not nature. It's ignorance. No, not even that - it's voluntary ignorance.
Farming Livestock isn't nature,... well maybe for leaf cutter ants.
but i referred to hunting, all predators do it.

[Moonlight]

Farming Livestock isn't nature,... well maybe for leaf cutter ants.
but i referred to hunting, all predators do it.

You mean carnivores? Yeah, that's their nature. We however, were not meant for meat consumption.

[KaitouSai100]

Before you do anything, read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/we...6cb&ei=5087%0A
Direct quote from said article: It’s likely that most of us would do just fine on around 30 grams of protein a day, virtually all of it from plant sources.

Link's not working. First of all, most of us. What about the rest? Not only this, but according to Harvard (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/protein.html) we need about 7 grams of protein for every twenty pounds. If the person was 100 pounds, only about 35 grams would be healthy. However, according to Halls.md (http://www.halls.md/chart/men-weight-w.htm), the average weight of a 40 year old male is 182. That's 63 grams of protein.

Moving onto women (same source). A lady around 40's average weight is 149. That's 52.15 grams of protein necessary to live healthy.


And you cannot stop the natural order of life. Animals are going to reproduce. With one eating them, all their numbers can do is climb. We won't be forcibly making them mate, but they will still do so. And you haven't addressed how we would feed all these animals and people.

There is not an infinite amount of space available for animals to roam. There are natural predators that would kill the animals, and if there aren't enough space and resources available to them, they would die off from starvation, etc... It isn't our responsibility to feed every squirrel and deer and coyote who lives in the wild, why would we have to go out and feed free roaming cattle herds?

Because we're the ones that let them roam free. You're also being contradictary, you say that it's cruel to treat animals as such. You do, however, imply that it's alright for cattle to die of starvation.


You've stated that farmers would just switch to veggies, but how are they going to afford all those seeds? What about their livestock? Are they suppose to buy seeds and feed livestock? Or just let their livestock roam free where they would surely die due to a lack of ability to survive on their own?

This wouldn't happen overnight. Livestock farmers would GRADUALLY reduce the size of their herds, stop breeding, etc... until they did not have any animals. As they have less livestock to care for, they invest in other forms of agriculture. The amount of money spent on livestock feed would far exceed the amount needed to start other farms.

Again, how would they afford seeds. If they need to gradually reduce their livestock, they would still need to buy feed for the remaining ones. Also, what about water expenses? Or soil expenses (assuming the farmer was stupid and didn't save the cow feces)? Or the equipment required to harvest?



My friend, the one I mentioned before, said something I could not have phrased better:
"I don't argue with a human's ability or desire to eat meat. I argue with the way we treat animals, produce meat, and consume meat in modern society. We torture animals and are eating such an excess of meat that we are killing ourselves. We are destroying the environment and wasting tons of food on animals that could otherwise feed humans. We need to drastically reduce meat consumption and treat animals humanely. If all that happened would I still be vegetarian? Yes. Because it's still a dead animal you're eating and that still grosses me out."

I also stated that the way they treat animals is unjust and should be changed. But I do believe that meat is an essential part to humans. It dates back to our ancestors and is in our instincts.


One more thing: saying "I have to eat meat or else all the meat industry employees would be out of a job" is like saying "I have to commit crimes or else all the police officers would be out of a job." Very weak excuse for continuing to eat meat.

Sure, I've stated that this is a reason I eat meat. But that's not the only reason. It tastes damn good.


Uh-huh. Sure. Heart disease and high cholesterol certainly "make everything better."

And so does E. Coli, Salmonella. There are risks with every food. It's if you choose to ignore them.


Still doesn't excuse the fact that a) the chicken was most likely abused for a few minutes of your petty pleasure and b) you're eating flesh. Dead, rotting, animal flesh. Carcasses.

Technically it's not rotting. It's being preserved so the meat doesn't go bad.


You mean carnivores? Yeah, that's their nature. We however, were not meant for meat consumption.

Incorrect. The way our digestive system works and the way that our teeth are designed are proof that we are meant to be omnivores. We're suppose to eat meat and vegetables.

[shikamaru]

i used to be a hardcore vegan but i got really sick and the doctors said i had to start eating meat. :[ so i kinda do but not alot. plus i just dont enjoy the taste

[Moonlight]

Link's not working. First of all, most of us. What about the rest? Not only this, but according to Harvard (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/protein.html) we need about 7 grams of protein for every twenty pounds. If the person was 100 pounds, only about 35 grams would be healthy. However, according to Halls.md (http://www.halls.md/chart/men-weight-w.htm), the average weight of a 40 year old male is 182. That's 63 grams of protein.

Moving onto women (same source). A lady around 40's average weight is 149. That's 52.15 grams of protein necessary to live healthy.

Okay. So all they have to do is eat more protein. Meat is not the only source of protein there is.

Because we're the ones that let them roam free. You're also being contradictary, you say that it's cruel to treat animals as such. You do, however, imply that it's alright for cattle to die of starvation.

Depends: if they die NATURALLY due to starvation - us having nothing to do with it - then that's just nature's course. We are not in charge of taking care of animals and feeding them.

Again, how would they afford seeds. If they need to gradually reduce their livestock, they would still need to buy feed for the remaining ones. Also, what about water expenses? Or soil expenses (assuming the farmer was stupid and didn't save the cow feces)? Or the equipment required to harvest?

Seeds & equipment for harvesting can't possibly be that expensive. I mean, presuming the government & people are willing to help out and donate money. And the remaining livestock could be set free somewhere remote.

I also stated that the way they treat animals is unjust and should be changed. But I do believe that meat is an essential part to humans. It dates back to our ancestors and is in our instincts.

Just because people have been doing it for thousands of years does NOT mean it's okay. Slavery, for example. And meat is NOT an essential part of a human's diet. Like I said before we can get as much protein as we need from plants and various other organic sources.

Sure, I've stated that this is a reason I eat meat. But that's not the only reason. It tastes damn good.

And in what way is that a reasonable excuse?

And so does E. Coli, Salmonella. There are risks with ery food. It's if you choose to ignore them.

More so with meat. It raises your chorestol and ups your chances of having heart disease. Not to mention all the hormones and stuff you're eating along with the meat itself.

Technically it's not rotting. It's being preserved so the meat doesn't go bad.

Preservation only slows the process of decomposition.

Incorrect. The way our digestive system works and the way that our teeth are designed are proof that we are meant to be omnivores. We're suppose to eat meat and vegetables.

No. Omnivore's teeth are made to slice through the flesh of animals - uncooked animals. You see any bears roasting their rabbits on top of a fire? Uh, no. Furthermore, our teeth are more herbivore-like; not sharp or pointy but squarish and weak. (I agree with the vegetable part though. Obviously).

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

^ so are you like saying, we're meant to eat grass?

[Moonlight]

^ so are you like saying, we're meant to eat grass?

My god. We're meant to eat legumes, vegetables, fruit, nuts, whole grains, etc, not just "grass" (which I suspect you mean salad).

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/eat.html

Read it. Get it through your head that vegetarians do not only eat tofu, salad, and soy milk.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

^ugh, i said grass to substitute salad, fruits, and vegies, use you head.
Well I don't care what Biology says, I like meat, I like fruit, and i'm going to eat both for my own satisfaction.

[Moonlight]

Really. I was under the impression you meant "grass" in a rude manner.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

i guess if you can if you take it in an offencive marror, but o-well, you took it as you did. And nice ittalic in the beginning of each sentance you make, i really feel the emotion.

[KaitouSai100]

Link's not working. First of all, most of us. What about the rest? Not only this, but according to Harvard (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/protein.html) we need about 7 grams of protein for every twenty pounds. If the person was 100 pounds, only about 35 grams would be healthy. However, according to Halls.md (http://www.halls.md/chart/men-weight-w.htm), the average weight of a 40 year old male is 182. That's 63 grams of protein.

Moving onto women (same source). A lady around 40's average weight is 149. That's 52.15 grams of protein necessary to live healthy.

Okay. So all they have to do is eat more protein. Meat is not the only source of protein there is.

According to the USDA (http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl) in about 100 grams of whole wheat flour, there is about 13.7 grams of protein. According to the same site, 100 grams of steak contains 26.98 grams of protein. It's far easier to gain protein from a meat source than it is from a wheat source.


Because we're the ones that let them roam free. You're also being contradictary, you say that it's cruel to treat animals as such. You do, however, imply that it's alright for cattle to die of starvation.

Depends: if they die NATURALLY due to starvation - us having nothing to do with it - then that's just nature's course. We are not in charge of taking care of animals and feeding them.

Why is killing an animal unnatural? Cavemen did it, animals do it, we're a mammal, why are we exempt from killing?


Again, how would they afford seeds. If they need to gradually reduce their livestock, they would still need to buy feed for the remaining ones. Also, what about water expenses? Or soil expenses (assuming the farmer was stupid and didn't save the cow feces)? Or the equipment required to harvest?

Seeds & equipment for harvesting can't possibly be that expensive. I mean, presuming the government & people are willing to help out and donate money. And the remaining livestock could be set free somewhere remote.

According to this site (http://aes.missouri.edu/hundwhal/research/1999/culpra.stm) seed prices range from $9-$21 dollars. Herbicide costs around 12-33 USD. According to this source (http://http://www.ext.vt.edu/news/periodicals/dairy/2003-01/income.html) milking cow feed costs about 2 dollars per day.


I also stated that the way they treat animals is unjust and should be changed. But I do believe that meat is an essential part to humans. It dates back to our ancestors and is in our instincts.

Just because people have been doing it for thousands of years does NOT mean it's okay. Slavery, for example. And meat is NOT an essential part of a human's diet. Like I said before we can get as much protein as we need from plants and various other organic sources.

And like I've stated before. It's far easier to get protein from meat. And Slavery and meat eating are two completely different things. With slavery, we were impounding on Human Rights. With animals, we're following the circle of life.


Sure, I've stated that this is a reason I eat meat. But that's not the only reason. It tastes damn good.

And in what way is that a reasonable excuse?

In what way, is it not? I like it, I eat it. I don't see the problem here.


And so does E. Coli, Salmonella. There are risks with ery food. It's if you choose to ignore them.

More so with meat. It raises your chorestol and ups your chances of having heart disease. Not to mention all the hormones and stuff you're eating along with the meat itself.

sonuvabitch, I was avoiding this.

Fusarium Head Blight, Leaf/Crown Rust, Common Root Rot, Septoria/Stagonospora Leaf Blotches, Spot Blotch, Tan Spot, Aflatoxins B1, B2, G1, G2, M1 and M2, Zearalenone, Trichothecenes, Fumonisins, Ochratoxin, Cephalosporium stripe.

I give up. But those are all diseases that can affect crops. Dead crops = less fruits and vegetables. Also, sick crops = potentially sick people + animals.


Technically it's not rotting. It's being preserved so the meat doesn't go bad.

Preservation only slows the process of decomposition.

Hmm, I suppose that's true.


Incorrect. The way our digestive system works and the way that our teeth are designed are proof that we are meant to be omnivores. We're suppose to eat meat and vegetables.

No. Omnivore's teeth are made to slice through the flesh of animals - uncooked animals. You see any bears roasting their rabbits on top of a fire? Uh, no. Furthermore, our teeth are more herbivore-like; not sharp or pointy but squarish and weak. (I agree with the vegetable part though. Obviously).

Incisors are teeth with straight, cutting edges whose function is to bite and shear food, articulate speech, and support the lips.
A molar is a tooth with a broad crown that is used to grind food and is located behind the premolars, in the mouth. Source (http://www.dentalfind.com/glossary)
canine tooth - one of the four pointed conical teeth (two in each jaw) located between the incisors and the premolars Source (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/canine+tooth)

We are an omnivore and it makes sense that we eat meat.


http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/anatomy/teeth/labelteeth/answers.GIF


Meat in no way runs the economy. If dairy, poultry and meat farmers stop raising animals and grow fruits, vegetables, grains and legumes, there wouldn't be a difference because the demand would change.

Forgot to rebuttal to this.

You're joking right? Right?
Church's Chicken, McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, Outback Steakhouse, regular steakhouses, butchershops, Bashas (has a meat section), random meat companies, random Asian restraunts, Italian restraunts, Spam, some sauce companies, Campbells, Chick-fil-a, and Wendy's ALL use meat for some, if not all, of their food products. Taking that away WOULD hurt these companies. And this is only the tip of the iceburg.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

^ooo, good job, good job:)

[Moonlight]

Why is killing an animal unnatural? Cavemen did it, animals do it, we're a mammal, why are we exempt from killing?

It's the WAY we kill animals that is unnatural.


And like I've stated before. It's far easier to get protein from meat. And Slavery and meat eating are two completely different things. With slavery, we were impounding on Human Rights. With animals, we're following the circle of life.

No, we're not. We're abusing the circle of life. We're taking advantage of being at the top of the food chain by torturing what we eat.

In what way, is it not? I like it, I eat it. I don't see the problem here.

The problem is that animals are dying brutal deaths for the sake of your taste preferences.

sonuvabitch, I was avoiding this.

... I'll ignore that.

Fusarium Head Blight, Leaf/Crown Rust, Common Root Rot, Septoria/Stagonospora Leaf Blotches, Spot Blotch, Tan Spot, Aflatoxins B1, B2, G1, G2, M1 and M2, Zearalenone, Trichothecenes, Fumonisins, Ochratoxin, Cephalosporium stripe.

I give up. But those are all diseases that can affect crops. Dead crops = less fruits and vegetables. Also, sick crops = potentially sick people + animals.

Ever heard of mad cow disease? For the record, I've never heard of those diseases that affect crops. Why do you think people have heard more about diseases that affect meat instead of diseases that affect crops? No, it's not because meat is a bigger industry - it's because meat can be more harming to humans.

Incisors are teeth with straight, cutting edges whose function is to bite and shear food, articulate speech, and support the lips.
A molar is a tooth with a broad crown that is used to grind food and is located behind the premolars, in the mouth. Source (http://www.dentalfind.com/glossary)
canine tooth - one of the four pointed conical teeth (two in each jaw) located between the incisors and the premolars Source (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/canine+tooth)

We are an omnivore and it makes sense that we eat meat.

I have to admit, I'm not too sure about this ... Maybe I'll look into it later. The fact remains however, that meat companies are badly mistreating their animals. It's like eating fear, the fear of the animals that are being boiled alive and beaten mercilessly. How you can eat meat and not feel guilty I cannot comprehend.

Forgot to rebuttal to this.

You're joking right? Right?
Church's Chicken, McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, Outback Steakhouse, regular steakhouses, butchershops, Bashas (has a meat section), random meat companies, random Asian restraunts, Italian restraunts, Spam, some sauce companies, Campbells, Chick-fil-a, and Wendy's ALL use meat for some, if not all, of their food products. Taking that away WOULD hurt these companies. And this is only the tip of the iceburg.

Which is why it's absurd to suggest the world will ever turn vegetarian overnight. Look, old companies die, new ones are made - in time. Okay? Okay. This assuming the entire world will decide to turn vegetarian - which will most likely not happen in a hell of a lot of years.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

i think there's no problem eating meat, just like there's no problem being a vegan.:)

[Moonlight]

^Both can't be right. That's like saying there's no problem being racist, just like there's no problem being fair.

[Salaminic]

Ah man... You're just embarassing yourself now. venusgal100 already proved you wrong. The way we kill the animals... I don't care.

[Moonlight]

Ah man... You're just embarassing yourself now. venusgal100 already proved you wrong. The way we kill the animals... I don't care.

You have no compassion and no heart. Though I'm sure you've already heard that before.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

just because people don't care about the killings of animals doesn't make them a bad person. Animals are a part of this society as food. I think it's been that way for a long looooong time.

[Moonlight]

Do you KNOW even a miniscule bit how badly animals are being treated? Type in "Meet your meat" in google videos and click on the first option.

If you can still say that's ok behavior and that you don't care, I give up.

And you know what I said about humans not being meant for meat consumption? Well, cross that. I'm still not sure about that one. But the rest of the things I said I believe are true.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

then you should give up now.

[Moonlight]

Did you even see the video?!

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

ive seen others.

[Moonlight]

Trust me: see this one.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

im good just because i eat the burger doesnt mean i want to meet the cow.

[Moonlight]

Just because you ignore it doesn't mean it's not happening.

Do we really need to repeat ourselves? If you can't come up with anything good don't bother replying.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

ok, i saw it and

[Salaminic]

Yeah, I'm a cold bastard. I have no heart and no emotions. You're right. You're a genius.

[Moonlight]

Any fool could figure it out, not just geniuses. Do you really not care about animal cruelty?

[Salaminic]

Animal cruelty without a reason, yes. Animal cruelty, but it's gonna get eaten... No.

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

wow....what is up with this thread???
i just thought it was about vegetarians, and now its turned into people talking about animal cruelty???
u do kno that there r farms where animals r grown 2 be healthy and die painlessly instead of being slaughtered 2 death??
most people just want the money, so they get rid of the animals as fast as they can. thats it. its just ignorant people. and its not a cruel thing 2 eat animals either.
thats where we get our protein and most important nutrients from...the whole world is not gonna go vegetarian just bcuz animals r being treated badly, if u feel that strongly about it, then raise ur own animals and treat them nicely, but what is that gonna change??? people r still gonna eat them!!!
i think being a vegetarian is totally great, but i mean realli, if most of the humans in this world didnt eat animals, then there would be more animals than there r people, and that would be bad.

[Shikamaru_ShadowNara]

im not a veggie dude and i almost barfed eating a veggie

[Moonlight]

"wow....what is up with this thread???
i just thought it was about vegetarians, and now its turned into people talking about animal cruelty???"

O_o Like it's the first time you've seen a thread stray somewhat from the original topic.

"u do kno that there r farms where animals r grown 2 be healthy and die painlessly instead of being slaughtered 2 death??"

Slaughtered to death + killed painlessly can be the same thing.

"most people just want the money, so they get rid of the animals as fast as they can. thats it. its just ignorant people. and its not a cruel thing 2 eat animals either."

You are ending the life of a sentient being just because it tastes good. How can that be considered "humane" in any way?

"thats where we get our protein and most important nutrients from..."

Do you realize most of the animals we eat are herbivores? Where do THEY get their nutrients + protein, do you think? Ohhh that's right, *plants*.

"the whole world is not gonna go vegetarian just bcuz animals r being treated badly,"

There are many other reasons to become vegetarian.

(following facts taken from http://www.giveusahome.co.uk/articles/vegetarianism.htm)

Avoiding meat is one of the best and simplest ways to cut down your fat consumption. Modern farm animals are deliberately fattened up to increase profits. Eating fatty meat increases your chances of having a heart attack or developing cancer.

There are millions of cases of food poisoning recorded every year. The vast majority are caused by eating meat.

African countries - where millions are starving to death - export grain to the developed world so that animals can be fattened for our dining tables.

If we eat the plants we grow instead of feeding them to animals, the world's food shortage will disappear virtually overnight. Remember that 100 acres of land will produce enough beef for 20 people but enough wheat to feed 240 people.

If you eat meat, you are consuming hormones that were fed to the animals. No one knows what effect those hormones will have on your health. In some parts of the world, as many as one on four hamburgers contain growth hormones that were originally given to cattle.

The following diseases are commoner among meat eaters: anaemia, appendicitis, arthritis, breast cancer, cancer of the colon, cancer of the prostrate, constipation, diabetes, gallstones, gout, high blood pressure, indigestion, obesity, piles, strokes and varicose veins. Lifelong vegetarians visit hospital 22% less often than meat eaters and for shorter stays. Vegetarians have a 20% lower blood cholestrol level than meat eaters and this reduces heart attack and cancer risks considerably.

Meat contains absolutely nothing - no proteins, vitamins or minerals - that the human body cannot obtain perfectly happily from a vegetarian diet.

Need I go on?

"if u feel that strongly about it, then raise ur own animals and treat them nicely, but what is that gonna change??? people r still gonna eat them!!!"

Are you seriously saying it's okay to treat animals cruelly, because hey, they're still going to end up in your stomach anyway so who cares about their pathetic lives?!

"i think being a vegetarian is totally great, but i mean realli, if most of the humans in this world didnt eat animals, then there would be more animals than there r people, and that would be bad."

LOL. No seriously, LOL. That's hilarious. Did you just pull that out of thin air?Yeah, it shows.

Did you know humans are forcibly speeding up the growth rate of livestock so that there would be enough to eat for everyone?

Okay, I'm aware I sound mean here, but I've had a realllyyyy bad day.... sorry in advance.

EDIT: But I still don't take back anything I said.

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

oookay......dun take ur bad day out on me....i was just saying that its pointless 2 spill out all these facts about health and animal cruelty and whatevr, when MOST OF THE WORLD IS STILL EATING MEAT.
it tastes good.
it actually is good for you.
and do u kno what the definition of slaughter is?? fyi, it means 2 butcher an animal 2 death...killing it painlessly would mean giving it a shot and letting it die.
im all for vegetarians, but everyone isnt just gonna magically bcome one so they can lose weight or so they save some animals...its just not gonna happen.

[Mattus]

"They've now come out with the Vegetarian hot pocket for those of us that don't eat meat but still would like diarrhea."

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

LOL.....thats great, matt.

[Moonlight]

"i was just saying that its pointless 2 spill out all these facts about health and animal cruelty and whatevr, when MOST OF THE WORLD IS STILL EATING MEAT."
So it was pointless for people to spill out facts about slavery and black cruelty and whatever when MOST WHITES OF THE WORLD WERE STILL ENSLAVING BLACKS? Dude, that's how you change the world - by spreading the word about reality.

"it tastes good."
Let me repeat myself: You are ending the life of a sentient being just because it tastes good, i.e., for purely selfish reasons. How can that be considered "humane" in any way?

I don't believe it is good to unnecessarily kill an an animal to eat their flesh. There is no "humane" way to kill, even if they are killed painlessly. It is humane to let live. These animals want their lives just as you and I do, so it is not my right to take it for something that is not necessary.

"it actually is good for you."
It's good for you because of what they consumed, which is plants. You don't need meat to survive, so why are you eating it?

"and do u kno what the definition of slaughter is?? fyi, it means 2 butcher an animal 2 death...killing it painlessly would mean giving it a shot and letting it die."
Oh, lol XP You're right there. I looked up 'slaughter' in an online dictionary, and it said "the killing of animals for food." Then, just now, I scrolled down and for the verb definition it said "kill animals in a cruel or violent way." Interpretation error on my part.

But no matter how you look at it, you're still killing a living, breathing, feeling being because of what they taste like.

"im all for vegetarians,"
Okay, *great*, you already said that.

"but everyone isnt just gonna magically bcome one so they can lose weight or so they save some animals...its just not gonna happen."
"Magically become one"? One doesn't "magically become" a vegetarian. It takes time and patience, but it's worth it because in the end you're saving lives and your health (not that you WILL have cancer/diabetes/etc if you eat meat but it definitely raises your chances. By like, a lot. Losing weight is not the only advantage, you know).

This is pretty pointless - you've got your opinions and I've got mine and no one's going to give in anytime soon.

"They've now come out with the Vegetarian hot pocket for those of us that don't eat meat but still would like diarrhea."
So um, I'm supposing you agree w/ vegetarianism...

[KaitouSai100]

It's the WAY we kill animals that is unnatural.

So you're saying that if we went up to cows w/ knives and killed them w/ that, it's be okay?


No, we're not. We're abusing the circle of life. We're taking advantage of being at the top of the food chain by torturing what we eat.

I've said it before, I'm against animal cruelty and that this should be changed.


The problem is that animals are dying brutal deaths for the sake of your taste preferences.

So you're saying that I should go vegetarian because animals are being killed brutally? What about the companies that are treating their animals nicely? Should they suffer because all the others are? Should all humans in a crime scene be punished because one killing another human?



Ever heard of mad cow disease? For the record, I've never heard of those diseases that affect crops. Why do you think people have heard more about diseases that affect meat instead of diseases that affect crops? No, it's not because meat is a bigger industry - it's because meat can be more harming to humans.

Of course I've heard of Mad Cow disease. But you're incorrect. People care about if veggies or meat is going to harm us. Take for example E. Coli. A massive panic usually takes over people if E. Coli is discovered. Just as it is when a Mad Cow is discovered.



Which is why it's absurd to suggest the world will ever turn vegetarian overnight. Look, old companies die, new ones are made - in time. Okay? Okay. This assuming the entire world will decide to turn vegetarian - which will most likely not happen in a hell of a lot of years.

But that still doesn't take away the amount of people that would be out of a job when this slowly occurs. Anyway, I've been assuming that a law would be passes banning meat in food. So that this change is instant. This, scenario, quite frankly, is the only what that the world would turn vegetarian.


^Both can't be right. That's like saying there's no problem being racist, just like there's no problem being fair.

There is no problem being racist. So long as you aren't extremist.



Slaughtered to death + killed painlessly can be the same thing.

Point? If they're killed painlessly, what's the problem?


You are ending the life of a sentient being just because it tastes good. How can that be considered "humane" in any way?

If you're looking at it from this PoV, then shouldn't you also care that people kill ants, bugs? Or that people are killing other people? What about when an animal kills a human? Is that humane?


Do you realize most of the animals we eat are herbivores? Where do THEY get their nutrients + protein, do you think? Ohhh that's right, *plants*.

Different digestive systems, hun.


There are many other reasons to become vegetarian.

(following facts taken from http://www.giveusahome.co.uk/articles/vegetarianism.htm)

Avoiding meat is one of the best and simplest ways to cut down your fat consumption. Modern farm animals are deliberately fattened up to increase profits. Eating fatty meat increases your chances of having a heart attack or developing cancer.[Quote]

I love my fat. D:<
Anyway, I know many vegans, vegetarians, and meat-eaters. The vegans are, in fact, ungodly skinny. However, one of the meat eaters I know is just as skinny and has very, very, very little fat. Another of the meat-eaters I know is just as skinny. Hell, another meat-eater is less than 100 pounds at age 16.

It's all about balance. If you excersise regularly, you can prevent heart diseases, cancer, and a load of other things.

[QUOTE]African countries - where millions are starving to death - export grain to the developed world so that animals can be fattened for our dining tables.

Because you can buy food without any money. Exporting grain earns people money so they can buy food.


If we eat the plants we grow instead of feeding them to animals, the world's food shortage will disappear virtually overnight. Remember that 100 acres of land will produce enough beef for 20 people but enough wheat to feed 240 people.

http://www.beeffrompasturetoplate.org/mythmeatproductioniswasteful.aspx
Myth: Sixteen pounds of grain and soybeans are needed to produce 1 pound of beef.
This estimate is based on the false assumption that beef cattle are fed grain diets from birth to market weight. According to the Council for Agricultural Science and Technology (CAST) 1999 Animal Agriculture and Global Food Supply Report, an average of 2.6 pounds of grain is used to produce a pound of beef in developed countries and 0.3 lb. in developing countries. Animals don’t steal grains destined for the world’s hungry; instead they consume large amounts of feedstuffs not suitable for human consumption. This includes forage from marginal land that can’t be cultivated for human foods and food processors’ byproducts such as citrus pulp brewers’ grains, almond hulls and tomato pomace. The soybean product fed to cattle is a meal made of the bean flakes, which remain after the soy oil is extracted for human consumption. In addition, corn fed to cattle is feed corn grown specifically for use as livestock feed and of lower quality than corn grown for human consumption.

The portion of the world’s wheat that is being fed to livestock has more than doubled since 1960.
Relatively little wheat is fed to livestock. Wheat is not considered a feed grain although low quality wheat may be fed to livestock because it has little human food value. Even the small amount of wheat fed to livestock varies with economic conditions. When wheat prices are low relative to feed grain prices, it may be used in livestock rations. In any event, the amount of wheat fed to livestock is directly related to demand for wheat as human food. When demand and prices are low, market signals will direct the wheat to the use that produces the best economic return. If there is a high demand for wheat as a human food grain, it will not be fed to livestock.

Just 165 pounds of beef can be produced from one acre of land. But 20,000 pounds of potatoes can be produced from the same acre of land.
Per acre corn yield in the state known for its potatoes, Idaho, was 170 bushels per acre in 2004, or 9,520 lbs. of corn, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) Agricultural Statistics 2005. Over all phases – cow/calf to feedlot – with an average of 2.6 pounds grain per pound of beef, this land could actually be converted to 3,661 lbs. or more than 50,000 servings of naturally nutrient-rich beef. In addition, beef delivers a much more potent nutrient bundle than potatoes.


The following diseases are commoner among meat eaters: anaemia, appendicitis, arthritis, breast cancer, cancer of the colon, cancer of the prostrate, constipation, diabetes, gallstones, gout, high blood pressure, indigestion, obesity, piles, strokes and varicose veins. Lifelong vegetarians visit hospital 22% less often than meat eaters and for shorter stays. Vegetarians have a 20% lower blood cholestrol level than meat eaters and this reduces heart attack and cancer risks considerably.

Meat contains absolutely nothing - no proteins, vitamins or minerals - that the human body cannot obtain perfectly happily from a vegetarian diet.

Need I go on?

It's about balance, as I said before. I highly doubt my athletic cousins could get all the protein they need from just veggies. My cousin is the one that weighs under 100 points and he eats meat.


Are you seriously saying it's okay to treat animals cruelly, because hey, they're still going to end up in your stomach anyway so who cares about their pathetic lives?!

AGAIN. I think the torture should stop.


Did you know humans are forcibly speeding up the growth rate of livestock so that there would be enough to eat for everyone?

Well, that makes sense. No point in starving people. mirite?


So it was pointless for people to spill out facts about slavery and black cruelty and whatever when MOST WHITES OF THE WORLD WERE STILL ENSLAVING BLACKS? Dude, that's how you change the world - by spreading the word about reality.

Again, completely different things. They were humans. They weren't going to die after torture. Now, I'm not saying torture of animals is good, I'm saying that at least they don't have to suffer through it for a long time.


Let me repeat myself: You are ending the life of a sentient being just because it tastes good, i.e., for purely selfish reasons. How can that be considered "humane" in any way?

Sn't selfish. We're getting protein from it which is some cases, cannot be satisfied through meat.


I don't believe it is good to unnecessarily kill an an animal to eat their flesh. There is no "humane" way to kill, even if they are killed painlessly. It is humane to let live. These animals want their lives just as you and I do, so it is not my right to take it for something that is not necessary.

I disagree. There ARE humane ways to kill. Kill painlessly, or kill w/ torture. Frankly, I would rather be killed in a second rather than being burned alive.


It's good for you because of what they consumed, which is plants. You don't need meat to survive, so why are you eating it?

Again, different digestive systems. They take the nutrients from veggies, grain, and fruit differently than we do.


"They've now come out with the Vegetarian hot pocket for those of us that don't eat meat but still would like diarrhea."

WAY TO JACK JIM GAFFIGAN'S JOKE, MAJIN. (I'm not yelling. I like caps. :))

[Jewel]

Well if people are vegetarians I can kinda understand them. Sometimes I think eating an animal is wrong and then I think it doesnt really matter.

But animals always eat each other, like lions eat zebras or whatever, so I sorta see it like that. How we just eat cows, pigs, etc.

[itachilover69]

do vegitareans relize that they are eating the other animals food? Also if the whole world turned veggie then the animals would die without there own food since we ate it all food chain baby!!

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

So you're saying that if we went up to cows w/ knives and killed them w/ that, it's be okay?



I've said it before, I'm against animal cruelty and that this should be changed.



So you're saying that I should go vegetarian because animals are being killed brutally? What about the companies that are treating their animals nicely? Should they suffer because all the others are? Should all humans in a crime scene be punished because one killing another human?




Of course I've heard of Mad Cow disease. But you're incorrect. People care about if veggies or meat is going to harm us. Take for example E. Coli. A massive panic usually takes over people if E. Coli is discovered. Just as it is when a Mad Cow is discovered.




But that still doesn't take away the amount of people that would be out of a job when this slowly occurs. Anyway, I've been assuming that a law would be passes banning meat in food. So that this change is instant. This, scenario, quite frankly, is the only what that the world would turn vegetarian.



There is no problem being racist. So long as you aren't extremist.



Point? If they're killed painlessly, what's the problem?



If you're looking at it from this PoV, then shouldn't you also care that people kill ants, bugs? Or that people are killing other people? What about when an animal kills a human? Is that humane?



Different digestive systems, hun.

[QUOTE]There are many other reasons to become vegetarian.

(following facts taken from http://www.giveusahome.co.uk/articles/vegetarianism.htm)

Avoiding meat is one of the best and simplest ways to cut down your fat consumption. Modern farm animals are deliberately fattened up to increase profits. Eating fatty meat increases your chances of having a heart attack or developing cancer.[Quote]

I love my fat. D:<
Anyway, I know many vegans, vegetarians, and meat-eaters. The vegans are, in fact, ungodly skinny. However, one of the meat eaters I know is just as skinny and has very, very, very little fat. Another of the meat-eaters I know is just as skinny. Hell, another meat-eater is less than 100 pounds at age 16.

It's all about balance. If you excersise regularly, you can prevent heart diseases, cancer, and a load of other things.



Because you can buy food without any money. Exporting grain earns people money so they can buy food.



http://www.beeffrompasturetoplate.org/mythmeatproductioniswasteful.aspx
Myth: Sixteen pounds of grain and soybeans are needed to produce 1 pound of beef.
This estimate is based on the false assumption that beef cattle are fed grain diets from birth to market weight. According to the Council for Agricultural Science and Technology (CAST) 1999 Animal Agriculture and Global Food Supply Report, an average of 2.6 pounds of grain is used to produce a pound of beef in developed countries and 0.3 lb. in developing countries. Animals don’t steal grains destined for the world’s hungry; instead they consume large amounts of feedstuffs not suitable for human consumption. This includes forage from marginal land that can’t be cultivated for human foods and food processors’ byproducts such as citrus pulp brewers’ grains, almond hulls and tomato pomace. The soybean product fed to cattle is a meal made of the bean flakes, which remain after the soy oil is extracted for human consumption. In addition, corn fed to cattle is feed corn grown specifically for use as livestock feed and of lower quality than corn grown for human consumption.

The portion of the world’s wheat that is being fed to livestock has more than doubled since 1960.
Relatively little wheat is fed to livestock. Wheat is not considered a feed grain although low quality wheat may be fed to livestock because it has little human food value. Even the small amount of wheat fed to livestock varies with economic conditions. When wheat prices are low relative to feed grain prices, it may be used in livestock rations. In any event, the amount of wheat fed to livestock is directly related to demand for wheat as human food. When demand and prices are low, market signals will direct the wheat to the use that produces the best economic return. If there is a high demand for wheat as a human food grain, it will not be fed to livestock.

Just 165 pounds of beef can be produced from one acre of land. But 20,000 pounds of potatoes can be produced from the same acre of land.
Per acre corn yield in the state known for its potatoes, Idaho, was 170 bushels per acre in 2004, or 9,520 lbs. of corn, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) Agricultural Statistics 2005. Over all phases – cow/calf to feedlot – with an average of 2.6 pounds grain per pound of beef, this land could actually be converted to 3,661 lbs. or more than 50,000 servings of naturally nutrient-rich beef. In addition, beef delivers a much more potent nutrient bundle than potatoes.



It's about balance, as I said before. I highly doubt my athletic cousins could get all the protein they need from just veggies. My cousin is the one that weighs under 100 points and he eats meat.



AGAIN. I think the torture should stop.



Well, that makes sense. No point in starving people. mirite?



Again, completely different things. They were humans. They weren't going to die after torture. Now, I'm not saying torture of animals is good, I'm saying that at least they don't have to suffer through it for a long time.



Sn't selfish. We're getting protein from it which is some cases, cannot be satisfied through meat.



I disagree. There ARE humane ways to kill. Kill painlessly, or kill w/ torture. Frankly, I would rather be killed in a second rather than being burned alive.



Again, different digestive systems. They take the nutrients from veggies, grain, and fruit differently than we do.



WAY TO JACK JIM GAFFIGAN'S JOKE, MAJIN. (I'm not yelling. I like caps. :))

totally agree with everything u just said.
common sense FTW.

[Moonlight]

So you're saying that I should go vegetarian because animals are being killed brutally? What about the companies that are treating their animals nicely? Should they suffer because all the others are? Should all humans in a crime scene be punished because one killing another human?

I'm not saying you should go vegetarian ... I'm explaining why *I* am.

*I* am trying to become vegetarian because I know that since we can get sufficient amounts of protein from sources such as grains, legumes, etc (not so sure about plants...I'm new at this, okay?) killing animals for food is not necessary. So when it all comes down to it, the only reason we keep eating meat is for its taste.

You keep saying that if everyone went vegetarian, meat companies would suffer. Yes, they would, but eventually new ones (for growing grains and such) would spring up, and they could simply just switch jobs. Being in a 'crops' industry doesn't require much talent, anyway (I suppose).

Anyway, I've been assuming that a law would be passes banning meat in food. So that this change is instant. This, scenario, quite frankly, is the only what that the world would turn vegetarian.

WHAT? Hell no! No one would ever pass out such a law, let alone agree to it. Plus it's just wrong to force people to suddenly change their eating habits.

The way that I would like the world to convert to vegetarianism (lol...like some kind of religion xP ), is that they'd realize how wrong it is to take away animals' lives for no reason other than their taste.

I love my fat. D:<
Anyway, I know many vegans, vegetarians, and meat-eaters. The vegans are, in fact, ungodly skinny. However, one of the meat eaters I know is just as skinny and has very, very, very little fat. Another of the meat-eaters I know is just as skinny. Hell, another meat-eater is less than 100 pounds at age 16.

It's all about balance. If you excersise regularly, you can prevent heart diseases, cancer, and a load of other things.

You can be 100 lbs at age 16 if you're short enough....

And how many people do you know exercise regularly? Me, not many.

That's not the point anyway.

If you're looking at it from this PoV, then shouldn't you also care that people kill ants, bugs? Or that people are killing other people? What about when an animal kills a human? Is that humane?

As a child I've always cared about bugs and ants (I don't care how ridiculous this sounds). They have the right to live, too. Doesn't matter how small they are. (Quoting Dr Seuss, a person's a person no matter how small. xP )

Goes without saying I care that people killing other people.

An animal does not know any better. We are civilized humans living in an educated time and we are able to make concious choices about what we eat. Besides, the human being killed was probably bothering the animal - not saying they deserved death per se, but yeah, they had it coming...

On the subject of cavemen (once you asked why were are an exempt from killing, since cavemen and animals did it):
The reason cavemen ate meat is because of the way they viewed life & the intelligence level they had was short. Some knowledge we have on indigenous people back then, is they may have had reverence towards certain life forms(animals) that happend to be their life source(food). They werent intelligent enough to learn anything about agriculture. Once people did learn to grow their own food, colonies grew.

Meat eating did come before any other food source, but I don't see us as cavemen!?

http://www.beeffrompasturetoplate.or...swasteful.aspx

Oh. Um. Okay? Not sure how to answer to this.... I guess you are right in that aspect.

-Are you seriously saying it's okay to treat animals cruelly, because hey, they're still going to end up in your stomach anyway so who cares about their pathetic lives?!
-AGAIN. I think the torture should stop.

I wasn't talking to you...

Sn't selfish. We're getting protein from it which is some cases, cannot be satisfied through meat

Oh yeah? What cases?

I disagree. There ARE humane ways to kill. Kill painlessly, or kill w/ torture. Frankly, I would rather be killed in a second rather than being burned alive.

'Humane' is an evaluative, morally loaded term. "Killing without causing any pain", on the other hand, is closer to a non-evaluative description.

From another forum:
-Just how DOES one kill a creature "humanely"?
-By conjuring up new-age mumbo jumbo rationalizations for what one is doing while one is slitting the animal's throat.

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

From another forum:
-Just how DOES one kill a creature "humanely"?
-By conjuring up new-age mumbo jumbo rationalizations for what one is doing while one is slitting the animal's throat.

u kill an animal humanely, with a shot.
a painless needle that kills it in about a second.
only heartless people slaughter animals...

[Moonlight]

^Only heartless people eat them.

OPINION.
Bordering on fact :D

I said this before and I'm going to say it again - no matter how you kill them, you're still killing them. You're still unnecessarily killing something that's alive, that has feelings and thoughts and families and friends, for their flesh.

Animals which are a year old are often far more rational - and capable of logical thought - than six week old babies. Pigs and sheep are far more intelligent than small children (from same site I posted before).

[itachilover69]

um when all the animals are put down "nicley" ever think where the dead parts go because a few(like 7) miles up my road i see them drag dead horses up to a hill then burn them because you can't put horse meat in dog food anymore so were do all the big animals go?? don't say burry because my neighbors did that to their dog and puppy came dug it up and got porvo and died you can also get other deseases<sp?> by un barring<sp?> things and just lettin them rot that would stink so we eat them or other animals do, its the cycle of life if it dies it was its time to die so what? everything is going to die you can't save them all

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

do vegitareans relize that they are eating the other animals food? Also if the whole world turned veggie then the animals would die without there own food since we ate it all food chain baby!!
^haha, never thought of that.
The vegi. I know that go to my school eat that way because they think animals are disgusting creatures and do nothing to help us, so they don't eat them.
As for me, i think eating meats fine.

[GangstaKage]

I am not a vegetarian even though I want to be I dont think animals deserved to killed for food soon they might take Tonton for food and eat her.
I would be a vegetarian if I growed up eating like one.Ive been raised eating meat and I like it even though it makes me feel guilty but I think if I havent been raised eating meat I would be a vegetarian.When I become older and have my nutrients and stuff I might go vegetarian for maybe a week but mear is just to good.Sorry Tonton and Hammy.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

tonton is fake, lulz.

[GangstaKage]

Well you get the point
Tonton still rocks and he is alive in my little world
: P

[JackpottJinchuuriki]

^Only heartless people eat them.

OPINION.
Bordering on fact :D

I said this before and I'm going to say it again - no matter how you kill them, you're still killing them. You're still killing something that's alive, that has feelings and thoughts and families and friends, for their flesh.

Animals which are a year old are often far more rational - and capable of logical thought - than six week old babies. Pigs and sheep are far more intelligent than small children (from same site I posted before).

kay thanks for calling the majority of the world heartless...even tho, i didnt think we were evil just for being hungry
and what does animals being smarter than humans hav 2 do with anything??
non-vegetarians, need food.
just bcuz u say eating meat and killing animals is wrong, the world isnt gonna become vegetarian.
again, we need the protein, y do u think vegetarians all over the world hav digestive issues bcuz they dont get enough protein and iron??? its bcuz they dont eat meat! its crucial, they can take all the vitamins they want, but they cant replace the real thing.

[Moonlight]

kay thanks for calling the majority of the world heartless...even tho, i didnt think we were evil just for being hungry
LMAO. As if you can't satisfy hunger without meat. That's funny.

and what does animals being smarter than humans hav 2 do with anything??
I meant that killing animals is somewhat like killing humans because they can think logically (to some extent.) We are all equals on this planet.

non-vegetarians, need food.
....your point?

just bcuz u say eating meat and killing animals is wrong, the world isnt gonna become vegetarian.
I'm not trying to turn the world vegetarian. I'm not promoting vegetarianism.

again, we need the protein, y do u think vegetarians all over the world hav digestive issues bcuz they dont get enough protein and iron??? its bcuz they dont eat meat! its crucial,
There are other sources of protein besides meat. How many times do I have to say that??
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm
Some vegetarians have digestive problems because they don't KNOW how much protein and iron they should be getting. If they're smart and look up/research these things they shouldn't be having those problems.
My friend's mom has been vegan for like...25 years (she's 44) and she's extremely healthy, I assure you.
Bottom line: It. Is. NOT. Essential. To. Our. Diet.

they can take all the vitamins they want, but they cant replace the real thing.
What the hell?!! Who says they take vitamins?? They don't get protein and stuff from vitamins. They don't HAVE to.

[KaitouSai100]

*I* am trying to become vegetarian because I know that since we can get sufficient amounts of protein from sources such as grains, legumes, etc (not so sure about plants...I'm new at this, okay?) killing animals for food is not necessary. So when it all comes down to it, the only reason we keep eating meat is for its taste.

Again, it's more nutritional to get proteins and things like that from a balanced diet. I'm not saying that we should eat just meat. But we should have fruits and veggies. But meat is and will always be the best source for protein (unless there's some sort of protein pill.)


WHAT? Hell no! No one would ever pass out such a law, let alone agree to it. Plus it's just wrong to force people to suddenly change their eating habits.

The way that I would like the world to convert to vegetarianism (lol...like some kind of religion xP ), is that they'd realize how wrong it is to take away animals' lives for no reason other than their taste.

I know, but it's still an impossible ideal to even dream of pure vegetarianism. Anyway, in 5th grade, we learned how a turkey is killed for thanksgiving. Honestly, the entire class laughed. Cruel? Yes. But not many people actually care that animals are dying. Again, circle of life.


You can be 100 lbs at age 16 if you're short enough....

And how many people do you know exercise regularly? Me, not many.

That's not the point anyway.

Haha, he is pretty short. But he IS underweight. His mother is a doctor and she has to make him gain weight. And I know plenty of people that excercise regularly.


Besides, the human being killed was probably bothering the animal - not saying they deserved death per se, but yeah, they had it coming...

Not necessarily. There are hundreds of rattlesnake bites here a year. Most of the time the Rattlesnake felt threatened because the person was unaware of it's presence.


On the subject of cavemen (once you asked why were are an exempt from killing, since cavemen and animals did it):
The reason cavemen ate meat is because of the way they viewed life & the intelligence level they had was short. Some knowledge we have on indigenous people back then, is they may have had reverence towards certain life forms(animals) that happend to be their life source(food). They werent intelligent enough to learn anything about agriculture. Once people did learn to grow their own food, colonies grew.

And the killing of meat still continued. I'm sure there ARE people that lived off veggies, but we still hunted. Heck, in some ancient religions, the killing of animals and humans was required.


Oh yeah? What cases?

The highly athletic. In my school, we have dozens of sports. Golf, football, basketball, softball, baseball, cheerleading, wrestling, track, badminton, tennis, dive, soccer, swim, volleyball. Vegetables, grains, and fruits would not be good enough to satisfy the health needs of these students.


'Humane' is an evaluative, morally loaded term. "Killing without causing any pain", on the other hand, is closer to a non-evaluative description.

From another forum:
-Just how DOES one kill a creature "humanely"?
-By conjuring up new-age mumbo jumbo rationalizations for what one is doing while one is slitting the animal's throat.

Question. Would you rather be burned alive as a death penelty, or be dead within a few seconds w/ no torture?


^Only heartless people eat them.

OPINION.
Bordering on fact :D

I said this before and I'm going to say it again - no matter how you kill them, you're still killing them. You're still unnecessarily killing something that's alive, that has feelings and thoughts and families and friends, for their flesh.

Source plz.
What makes us human, as defined by the History Channel, is the ability to question our existance. How do we know if a cow/pig/horse questions their existance? Have they invented hundreds upon hundreds of things to make life easier?

And it's not being done unnecessarily. It's for food. An essential part of our diet.


Animals which are a year old are often far more rational - and capable of logical thought - than six week old babies. Pigs and sheep are far more intelligent than small children (from same site I posted before).

The thing about babies is the fact that they highly depend on humans. The thing about animal babies? They have to be able to survive. They rely on instinct more than anything.



LMAO. As if you can't satisfy hunger without meat. That's funny.

ODDLY ENOUGH. You can satisfy hunger WITH meat.


I meant that killing animals is somewhat like killing humans because they can think logically (to some extent.) We are all equals on this planet.

No, we're not. As humans, we've developed hundreds thousands upon hundreds thousands of inventions and tools to better our development (I don't want any comments, majin.) We've evolved to think for ourselves and to question our existance. We've studied things far passed anything any animal could study.


How many times do I have to say that??
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm
Some vegetarians have digestive problems because they don't KNOW how much protein and iron they should be getting. If they're smart and look up/research these things they shouldn't be having those problems.
My friend's mom has been vegan for like...25 years (she's 44) and she's extremely healthy, I assure you.
Bottom line: It. Is. NOT. Essential. To. Our. Diet.

I agree that if vegetarianism is done right, you can live healthily. However, most people probably couldn't do this. People can get sick and medical conditions can follow. Malnutrition, mirite?

EDIT: And ppl wouldn't eat TonTon. S/he's a pet pig. Just like I will have someday. I wanna pet pig rlyrly badly.

[Moonlight]

]Again, it's more nutritional to get proteins and things like that from a balanced diet. I'm not saying that we should eat just meat. But we should have fruits and veggies. But meat is and will always be the best source for protein (unless there's some sort of protein pill.)

Maybe it's the fastest way to get protein, but it's definitely not the healthiest. Soy beans can have the same amount of protein but with a third of the fat.

Anyway, in 5th grade, we learned how a turkey is killed for thanksgiving. Honestly, the entire class laughed. Cruel? Yes. But not many people actually care that animals are dying. Again, circle of life.

You're comparing yourself to a 5th grader? XP

Seriously though - would they laugh at this?:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=506153&in_page_id=1811

Killing for entertainment + killing for food is basically the same thing; it's still unnecessary killing for our petty desires.

Haha, he is pretty short. But he IS underweight. His mother is a doctor and she has to make him gain weight. And I know plenty of people that excercise regularly.

Not those 200-lb guys who eat cheeseburgers for dinner every day.

And the killing of meat still continued. I'm sure there ARE people that lived off veggies, but we still hunted. Heck, in some ancient religions, the killing of animals and humans was required.

PLEASE don't turn this argument into one of religion. I think it's wrong for people to sacrifice living beings. Let's leave it at that, shall we?

The highly athletic. In my school, we have dozens of sports. Golf, football, basketball, softball, baseball, cheerleading, wrestling, track, badminton, tennis, dive, soccer, swim, volleyball. Vegetables, grains, and fruits would not be good enough to satisfy the health needs of these students.

Nope.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/26480.php

Question. Would you rather be burned alive as a death penelty, or be dead within a few seconds w/ no torture?

O_o I would rather not die at all, as I'm sure would the animals. And what did the animals do to deserve a death penalty?

Source plz.
What makes us human, as defined by the History Channel, is the ability to question our existance. How do we know if a cow/pig/horse questions their existance? Have they invented hundreds upon hundreds of things to make life easier?

No, but what does that have to do with anything?

And it's not being done unnecessarily. It's for food. An essential part of our diet.

Meat is not an essential part of our diet. I can't stress this enough. All those lies of "Meat is part of the 4 important food groups" are just that, lies.

The thing about babies is the fact that they highly depend on humans. The thing about animal babies? They have to be able to survive. They rely on instinct more than anything.

....So?

ODDLY ENOUGH. You can satisfy hunger WITH meat.

Once again, SO? Jackpott was acting as if the only way you can satisfy hunger is with meat. Uh, NO.

No, we're not. As humans, we've developed hundreds thousands upon hundreds thousands of inventions and tools to better our development (I don't want any comments, majin.) We've evolved to think for ourselves and to question our existance. We've studied things far passed anything any animal could study.

.....What's your point? That since we're smarter and better and have a more advanced way of doing things, we can do with animals as we please? That it gives us the right to take away their chance at life?

I agree that if vegetarianism is done right, you can live healthily. However, most people probably couldn't do this. People can get sick and medical conditions can follow. Malnutrition, mirite?

Why couldn't most people do it? If they were properly informed of what they should eat and what they shouldn't then most wouldn't have any malnutrition problems (assuming they did what they learnt).

And ppl wouldn't eat TonTon. S/he's a pet pig. Just like I will have someday. I wanna pet pig rlyrly badly.

I'm surprised you don't find it sufficient to play with your bacon.

[Kekori]

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to make any enemies here, but I randomly found this thread looking for Naruto the veggie, not something about Vegetarians who like Naruto.

Anyway...

I eat both meat and vegetables, but I have to disagree with the vegetarians...

I used to be a vegetarian for 3 years, but then finally I gave up because I because sick. Even though I was following what I needed to eat, it came to a point where I wasn't able to get out of bed only because of how weak my muscles got.

Besides that... They way that we kill animals... Yes, some of it's cruel, like to trap a cafe in a box to make veil. But in other ways, I've known animals that kill each other just because one would cross just barely into it's territory. Hell, my rat ate my breeding mouse (that I used for my snake) once I turned off the light in the room. He waited till that time specifically. I think thats a little more cruel than humans killing animals in a quick way.

Also, there are people out there that actually need to have a large consumption of protein, other from what they get from beans, beats and greens or they would get bed ridden and possibly die. To any that say that killing animals is cruel and that the world should be vegetarian, then don't you guys think that you are being a bit hypocritical with how they would be treated?

That is just my input. But I would prefer the killing now than how our ancestors kills animals.

Oh, and hello, I'm new. ^^;

[Moonlight]

I used to be a vegetarian for 3 years, but then finally I gave up because I because sick. Even though I was following what I needed to eat, it came to a point where I wasn't able to get out of bed only because of how weak my muscles got.
Vegetarian as in, no meat but yes dairy or vegan as in not consuming any animal byproducts?
Anyway, did you go see a doctor? Did the doctor specifically say you HAD to absolutely start eating meat again? If you say no to either question I have right to believe you just weren't eating right.

Besides that... They way that we kill animals... Yes, some of it's cruel, like to trap a cafe in a box to make veil. But in other ways, I've known animals that kill each other just because one would cross just barely into it's territory. Hell, my rat ate my breeding mouse (that I used for my snake) once I turned off the light in the room. He waited till that time specifically. I think thats a little more cruel than humans killing animals in a quick way.
You can't compare animals to humans. We live in a civilized society and are able to make concious, educated desicions about what we eat. Animals however, rely mostly on instinct. They don't have our kind of intellect and some are simply carnivores.

Also, there are people out there that actually need to have a large consumption of protein, other from what they get from beans, beats and greens or they would get bed ridden and possibly die. To any that say that killing animals is cruel and that the world should be vegetarian, then don't you guys think that you are being a bit hypocritical with how they would be treated?
You guy*S*? Last I checked I was the only one totally in favor of vegetarianism :p

Anyway, I really don't know about the cases where people need "large consumptions of protein, other from what they get from beans, beets and greens." Link please?

Oh, and hello, I'm new.
Welcome to the forums :D

[Kekori]

Vegetarian as in, no meat but yes dairy or vegan as in not consuming any animal byproducts?


I know what both terms mean. I was a vegetarian. At that time I was taking Brazilian grappling, so we had to have a strict diet and so my parents allowed me to get a nutritionist, because I was a veg.. For the first couple of years, I was fine, but what I was doing wasn't allowing my muscles to expand or because of how active I was, I was still not getting enough of what I needed, despite what my nutritionist said.

I ended up getting up one morning, to ripping all the ligaments in my back from stretching. I was in bed for a good 2 - 3 months, then even after I went back to school, I still had to take numbing shots along my spinal cord and I was forced to quit grappling and not allowed to join any sports.



Anyway, did you go see a doctor? Did the doctor specifically say you HAD to absolutely start eating meat again? If you say no to either question I have right to believe you just weren't eating right.


Afterwards, yes, they told me I could stay with the eating habit, but if I ever planned on having my back repair itself, it would be best if I actually started to eat meat.



You guy*S*? Last I checked I was the only one totally in favor of vegetarianism :p

Do you wanna go through 11 pages of forums? ^^;;; I tried and got to page 3... and I think people were still talking about how meat tastes good. ._.



Anyway, I really don't know about the cases where people need "large consumptions of protein, other from what they get from beans, beets and greens." Link please?
Medline's Information on Kidney Dialysis (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/007135.htm)

Information of the best diet for Kidney Dialysis (http://kyky.essortment.com/dialysisdiet_rkcs.htm)

"...most of it should come from foods with an abundance of amino acids, such as meat, eggs, and some dairy products. Other foods do contain protein, but without the amino acids the protein is less likely to be converted to muscle and to be passed in urine, placing stress on already struggling kidneys."


Welcome to the forums :D
And thank you. =]

[Moonlight]

I suppose, from everything you just told me and the links you provided, that there are, indeed, some exceptions ... I believe that one can eat meat only if it's absolutely necessary - when there's no other option. Like in your case. Well, you had the choice of having a broken back forever, but even *I* know when to draw the line. I'm sorry all of that happened to you btw :[ Sounds really awful.

[duckofdoom99]

I am not a vegetarian and i personally believe that it goes completely against nature to be one. If you look at nature how many animals out there are eating other animals? A lot of them do. It is just the circle of life one animal eating another. In nature it isn't seen as cruel or unusual when a lion eats a zebra so why is it so wrong when a human eats a chicken or pig? We as humans are also animals just further evolved ones with a higher capacity for intellect then other animals.

[Moonlight]

I am not a vegetarian and i personally believe that it goes completely against nature to be one. If you look at nature how many animals out there are eating other animals? A lot of them do. It is just the circle of life one animal eating another. In nature it isn't seen as cruel or unusual when a lion eats a zebra so why is it so wrong when a human eats a chicken or pig? We as humans are also animals just further evolved ones with a higher capacity for intellect then other animals.

Tigers and lions need meat to survive.
We don't.
They are unable to make a conscious choice about what they eat, unlike humans. Plus, they're carnivores.
It's instinct for them.
It's habit for us.

[MisaMisa]

yay for vegans i like them cause i get to eat meat infront of them and listen to them talking about how i shouldnt lol

[Moonlight]

Vegans won't talk about meat if you don't.

That simple.

[PriscillaXOXOXOX]

The veginterians i come across never tale about meat. they don't eat meat beacause its "bad" they don't like animals and think they're disgusting creaturea and want nothing to do with them. thats why theydont eat them. they're not some crazy PETA freak like some people are...:)

[Moonlight]

T_T

I. HATE. Peta.

Okay?

I don't agree with most of their approaches.